in_nomine-digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2346 In this digest: IN> Fantasy Month - Barrow Wights Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> Meredith's visions, Pt 1 (VO4) Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement RE: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement RE: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement IN> Query Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> Jordi's Wild Kingdom Re: IN> Query [now OT - in just one reply!] Re: IN> Query [now OT - in just one reply!] IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> An interesting announcement IN> 403 Access Denied Re: IN> An interesting announcement Re: IN> 403 Access Denied ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:24:32 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Fantasy Month - Barrow Wights Although Saminga claims to have complete control of all Undead, it wasn't difficult for Mammon's Servitors to bribe a Necromancer to design a new type of Undead for them. Barrow Wights are created by attempting to bind a ghost, dream-shade or Damned Soul into a preserved corpse, using the Create Mummy ritual. The ritual invariably fails; stabilising the victim with Discord creates the Wight. A Barrow Wight is a specialized from of Vampire; instead of having a Need for Blood the Wight starts with 3 level of Greed. It also has Vulnerability(Sunlight)/3. A Barrow Wight may buy a connection to any Artifact by accepting Bound(item) Discord of a level equal to the artifact's level. Barrow Wights frequently have attunements; those who used to be Dream Shades frequently possess attunements of Fear, while any Barrow Wight may buy [literally] attunements from Mammon. Saminga tends to kill any Barrow Wight he finds, unless it has sworn allegiance to him, so Attunements of Death may not be bought. Unwilling to leave their tombs/treasure hoards, Wights rely on stories of their vast wealth to encourage tomb robbers to come to them. As such, they are rarely bothered by Heaven; angels tend to consider the stories of the dead rising to protect their tombs to be unfounded superstitions or even useful fables to encourage respect for the dead. A Barrow Wight may exist undisturbed for millennia, spending the time sleeping or studying Sorcery, before killing an intruder and adding their goods to the hoard. "Hoards-R-Us" uses Barrow Wights for long term storage of wealth; the knowledge of where a specific Barrow Wight dwells is valuable information, which is sold using a Variant of the Celestial Song of Tongues (the Variant duplicates the effect of a Memory Pearl). James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:08:59 +1000 From: "Shane" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/anime/ Oooh, nice. Although the cover doesn't make me think of anime. Assorted mechanoids staring up at and/or reaching for a sad nude techno-angelic- patchwork woman? I'm not really sure what it makes me think of. Any hints from the anime connoisseurs? Shane. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:23:32 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement From: "Shane" > > Oooh, nice. Although the cover doesn't make me think of anime. Assorted > mechanoids staring up at and/or reaching for a sad nude techno-angelic- > patchwork woman? I'm not really sure what it makes me think of. The techno-angelic woman was an allusion to "Battle Angel Alita", I believe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:23:32 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement From: "Shane" > > Oooh, nice. Although the cover doesn't make me think of anime. Assorted > mechanoids staring up at and/or reaching for a sad nude techno-angelic- > patchwork woman? I'm not really sure what it makes me think of. The techno-angelic woman was an allusion to "Battle Angel Alita", I believe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:49:45 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:23:32 -0500 "Prodigal" writes: > > The techno-angelic woman was an allusion to "Battle Angel Alita", I > believe. Yeah, my first thought. Well, second - mention "angels" and "anime" and "In Nomine:Evangelion" always springs to mind; it's been discussed though. (Hmm... an upside-down IN universe where both the angels and demons take bizarre, alien vessels to fight Armageddon? Hey, could work.) Then again, there's an very large number of angels and pseudo-angels in Japanese comics and animation; I suppose the idea of spirits doing good (or bad, in the case of demons) fits right in to Shinto beliefs. I think the "In Anime" topic we had awhile back hashed it all out... (...still looking for an excuse to plop the three sisters of Oh My Goddess! in a campaign...) - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:28:16 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/anime/ *Drops on his knees as the Chorus begins singing "Halleluah"* Praise the Lord, our prayers have been answered!! At long last, In Nomine and Anime will be joined! Now, all we need is for someone at SJ Games to call Antarctic Press' Ben Dunn, in order to negociate the licensce for Warrior Nun Areala, and I'll be in Gaming Heaven. ^^ - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:56:21 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement > The techno-angelic woman was an allusion to "Battle Angel Alita", I believe. That's the impression I got. The mechanoids at the bottom reminded me of some of Masamune Shirow's stuff, too. Specifically Appleseed. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:18:51 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement I'm amazed that no one has made even a passing reference to Shedim as Tentacle Monsters. Granted, this is anime, not hentai... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:16:22 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement Cameron McCurry wrote: > I'm amazed that no one has made even a passing reference to Shedim as > Tentacle Monsters. Granted, this is anime, not hentai... Nyar! Now I'm stuck with that mental image. [convulse] I need a young priest and an old priest! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:24:38 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement - --On Friday, August 24, 2001 10:16 AM -0400 Robb Kidd wrote: > Nyar! Now I'm stuck with that mental image. [convulse] > I need a young priest and an old priest! Father Mayii? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Worried about his Nielsen ratings...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:34:38 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement This IS fantastic. The possibilities are almost infinite. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:49:32 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement At 10:16 AM -0400 8/24/01, Robb Kidd wrote: >Cameron McCurry wrote: >> I'm amazed that no one has made even a passing reference to Shedim as >> Tentacle Monsters. Granted, this is anime, not hentai... > > Nyar! Now I'm stuck with that mental image. [convulse] I need a young >priest and an old priest! "Stuck with?" Haven't people been using Shedim of Lust in this role since the beginning? In Hell, at least? Why are you all looking at me like that. I didn't say this appeared in *game....* - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:03:11 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 10:16 AM -0400 8/24/01, Robb Kidd wrote: > >Cameron McCurry wrote: > >> I'm amazed that no one has made even a passing reference to Shedim as > >> Tentacle Monsters. Granted, this is anime, not hentai... > > > > Nyar! Now I'm stuck with that mental image. [convulse] I need a young > >priest and an old priest! > > "Stuck with?" > > Haven't people been using Shedim of Lust in this role since the > beginning? In Hell, at least? Well, sure, but until now it was only one of those dark, sticky thoughts that can get pushed back into the dusty footlockers in the back of my mind to come up in therapy sessions years from now. But Cameron had to go and -write- it. Can open. Worms everywhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:53:34 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement At 10:34 AM -0400 8/24/01, Jeffery Watkins wrote: >This IS fantastic. The possibilities are almost infinite. In two ways. First, because Maya's a phenomenal writer and this will be a great supplement. Second, because it reopens the possibilities of regular material. Maybe not the 128 page sourcebooks we all love, but I will happily take the 32/48 page supplements if it means continuing support. The significant cost savings in producing these might be enough for IN support over the next year, and the whole idea of the "Novella" story is so good I can't wait. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Meredith's visions, Pt 1 (VO4) Wow. This is awesome stuff. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:40:42 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement >>But Cameron had to go and -write- it. >>Can open. Worms everywhere. hehehe. Which just proves the point that someone made about me being the Anti-Moe. I disturb where he entertains. *bows* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:44:23 -0300 From: pbarkow@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement On 24 Aug 01, at 11:40, Cameron McCurry wrote: > >>But Cameron had to go and -write- it. > >>Can open. Worms everywhere. > > hehehe. Which just proves the point that someone made about me > being the Anti-Moe. I disturb where he entertains. *bows* I think Moe is quite capable of being disturbing as well as entertaining actually. "That is not broke which can on television lie and with strange infomercials, even death may make a quick buck." -A. o. D. Philip Barkow pbarkow@is2.dal.ca http://is2.dal.ca/~pbarkow/ Harbinger of Keener-sama Vice President DPG Official Fashion Consultant and Hentai of the DGML Shameless Faith/Buffy shipper. Lapsed Discordian Head of the Keiko-chanian faction Hug Guy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:14:52 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement >> http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/anime/ > >*Drops on his knees as the Chorus begins singing "Halleluah"* >Praise the Lord, our prayers have been answered!! >At long last, In Nomine and Anime will be joined! So it's official, then, that I'm the one wet blanket whom this announcement doesn't thrill? Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:12:05 -0500 From: Christopher Gerkey Subject: RE: IN> An interesting announcement > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Schneiderman [mailto:jadasc@ma.ultranet.com] > So it's official, then, that I'm the one wet blanket whom > this announcement doesn't thrill? I must admit, I'd rather see the EPG. Topher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:21:33 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement At 11:31 PM -0400 8/23/01, Matthew Gerber wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >>http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/anime/ >>O:> >> >I think I'm gonna have to get me some of that. Mmmm. Nice to know that a lot of people like the idea. O:> >Out of curiosity, is this going to be one of a number? No clue. It really depends on if someone proposes an idea that catches both mine eyes and SJ's the way this one did. The other aspect of this is that it's a 32-pager, so it would need to be a "short but keen" idea. Note that IN Anime is already in position to ride on the anime fad that Guardians of Order (Big Eyes, Small Mouth) is making a major theme out of. Therefore, any other Keen Ideas would need to have a draw like that. (Unless 32-pagers are just selling like hotcakes _anyway_, in which case, who knows.) If you have an idea for a wargame (especially one that would have neat Cardboard Heroes images?), that might appeal somewhat, depending on how OGRE is doing... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:24:19 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement Christopher Gerkey wrote: > I must admit, I'd rather see the EPG. Progress is occurring. Slowly, but I think it will probably appear sometime next year, and the playtest may start sooner than that. - -David ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 2001 12:26:33 -0400 From: "Matthew B. Gerber" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement On 24 Aug 2001 12:14:52 -0500, Jason Schneiderman wrote: > So it's official, then, that I'm the one wet blanket whom this announcement > doesn't thrill? Well, let's see. (1) The line isn't dead. (2) Unless you hate anime to the very depths of your soul, it's a pretty cool idea. (3) The line isn't dead. (4) Maya gets a publication credit. (5) The line isn't dead. So, well.... yup, probably, I'm afraid so. Sorry. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:29:24 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> An interesting announcement At 11:12 AM -0500 8/24/01, Christopher Gerkey wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jason Schneiderman [mailto:jadasc@ma.ultranet.com] > >> So it's official, then, that I'm the one wet blanket whom >> this announcement doesn't thrill? > >I must admit, I'd rather see the EPG. Well, at least the _first_ posts weren't those it didn't thrill... O:J The EPG is on a slower track, in part because it's got lots of crunchy rules and will need more playtesting. However, when SJ says he wants to do something (and he doesn't have to dig out the time to do it _personally_), he means it. Very Seraphic. Progress is being made. I'm sure that when it goes up for playtest, someone will mention it -- probably at least hours before I get to see it, even. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:32:24 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement >So it's official, then, that I'm the one wet blanket whom this announcement >doesn't thrill? > >Jason > Nope. I thought *I* was the only one. I just keep telling myself that at least they're publishing *something* relating to In Nomine. Janet Anderson ("not an anime fan" doesn't begin to describe it) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:26:07 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement At 12:14 PM -0500 8/24/01, Jason Schneiderman wrote: > >> http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/anime/ >> >>*Drops on his knees as the Chorus begins singing "Halleluah"* >>Praise the Lord, our prayers have been answered!! >>At long last, In Nomine and Anime will be joined! > >So it's official, then, that I'm the one wet blanket whom this announcement >doesn't thrill? I'm excited more for Ms. Cogman's skill as a writer than for the topic per se -- I like Anime just fine, but am also confident I could run such a game if I wanted. I know however that it's going to be a good quality product, and that's exciting. More to the point, we're not *dead* yet. This is a very, very small step, but it *is* a step. Between that and the EPG (which SJ has stated will come out, likely within a year), there is hope. Further, as SJGames experiments more with these smaller supplements, we could see a rebirth of regular IN material, priced lower and in smaller bites. Heck, there's no reason some Superiors material or a short Historical In Nomine couldn't be produced in this manner. (I'm also feeling good about the format because GURPS Screampunk turned out to be a truly good product, even though that's not my usual genre either.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:46:09 +0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement >From: Jason Schneiderman >So it's official, then, that I'm the one wet blanket whom this announcement >doesn't thrill? nah. I'm not all hoppity skipping about it either. All well and good that it means IN is still getting products made for it, but i'd much rather have seen "Interesting Announcement: EPG". Yes, I like anime, yes i like the ideas of IN:Anime, but no, i don't think it requires a book. All i can hope is this generates sufficient sales that we Will see the EPG (and a new cycle? and more Sups books?) sometime this side of the second coming... I'll probably buy it tho. cos it's got the words In Nomine written on it. (you could sell me In Nomine:Toilet Paper) - -FallenSeraph "I still believe in SJ, but does He no longer believe in ethereals?" http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:55:39 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement >On 24 Aug 2001 12:14:52 -0500, Jason Schneiderman wrote: > >> So it's official, then, that I'm the one wet blanket whom this announcement >> doesn't thrill? > >Well, let's see. > >(1,3,5) The line isn't dead. "At least it's something..." doesn't hit me as the sort of cry to rally around. :) It is neat that things are coming out for IN. I just don't feel the "hosannah" welling up in my chest. >(2) Unless you hate anime to the very depths of your soul, it's a pretty >cool idea. *shrug* "Anime" is just "cinematic" for a limited range of movies - and IN's always billed itself as a cinematic game. I'm not seeing the sea change here, except that - as Beth indicates - it's being linked to a popular trend. Which, admittedly, causes some reservations: I remember the "Dark Adventure" supplement for Mage, which attempted to make the game more like DIE HARD or UNDER SIEGE. I fear that, if this does well, IN will be repositioned as a manga-style game, which means that it'll attract players primarily interested in that element of things. The game will grow to be more anime-like... and I think it's got quite enough of that, already. >(4) Maya gets a publication credit. An unmitigated good. >So, well.... yup, probably, I'm afraid so. Sorry. S'okay. I'll just sit over here with Janet and grouse. :) * * * * * Jason Schneiderman, Editor, EDITORIAL HUMOR. E-mail: edhumor@tiac.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:18:37 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement At 4:46 PM +0000 8/24/01, Fallen Seraph wrote: >nah. I'm not all hoppity skipping about it either. All well and good >that it means IN is still getting products made for it, but i'd much >rather have seen "Interesting Announcement: EPG". [...] >"I still believe in SJ, but does He no longer believe in ethereals?" Hurm. Guys, the EPG is being worked on. This is official. It is also official that this is a complicated editing job. Very much so, from all accounts. Would you honestly prefer that we get absolutely nothing until the EPG is ready and produced? This is kind of what you're saying, above. In Nomine Anime represents several things for the line: 1. Production. "In Nomine" continues to get products distributed for it. To store owners, that means In Nomine isn't a dead game. Which means they're less likely to take the remaining core books and supplements on their shelf and drop them into the $4 bins, never to order them again. This helps keep In Nomine alive. 2. Expansion. In Nomine Anime will have rules and conventions not found in other supplements, allowing for the considerable flexibility of the In Nomine system and background to be showcased, and giving rules for certain styles of play that can be adapted to suit individual needs. 3. New Blood. Let's face it -- In Nomine is a niche game. By producing a supplement designed to appeal to a much much much MUCH larger subgroup of fans than are currently interested in In Nomine, SJGames can increase our fanbase considerably. Anime fans who buy In Nomine Anime are much more likely to also get the core book, and a percentage of those fans will go on to get the IPG, the GMG, the Libers and so forth. 4. A new potential venue: This is a smaller book -- not just in page count, but in page size (I'm not sure of the exact dimensions off the top of my head, but think 'slightly larger than a comic book.' 32 pages of this size are far less expensive to produce, to store and warehouse and to shelf than traditional 9x12 inch 128+ sourcebooks like the EPG. These don't take long to write, to edit, to proofread, to typeset, to commission and develop interior art for and to produce, compared to their bigger brothers. It's entirely possible that four or five of these could be produced and released before the EPG comes out, sheerly because of the simpler processes involved in their production, without taking the EPG off track. Finally, point 4 above highlights another difference: these are Apples and Oranges. In deciding to produce Maya's 32 page book, Steve Jackson didn't decide *not* to continue development of the much larger, much more elaborate Ethereal Player's Guide. In fact, the only way this would undercut the EPG's production schedule at this stage of the game is if Maya wrote the EPG and therefore this took away from her revision time (which she didn't -- to my knowledge R. Sean Borgstrom and David Edelstein co-wrote the EPG) and Steve Jackson (who's editing In Nomine Anime personally, according to the web site) assigned himself to *edit* the EPG (I don't know who the editor is, but it's *probably* not SJ). Trust me -- even if you have no interest at all in In Nomine Anime (and you may not, though at ten bucks I'd think most people would find enough value in it) it is far better for In Nomine, the game than simply leaving the production schedule empty for the year or so it'll take for the EPG to show up. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:25:19 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement At 12:55 PM -0500 8/24/01, Jason Schneiderman wrote: >Which, admittedly, causes some reservations: I remember the "Dark >Adventure" supplement for Mage, which attempted to make the game more like >DIE HARD or UNDER SIEGE. I fear that, if this does well, IN will be >repositioned as a manga-style game, which means that it'll attract players >primarily interested in that element of things. The game will grow to be >more anime-like... and I think it's got quite enough of that, already. I actually don't think there's a lot of danger of that -- though yes, we might get a bunch more Otaku interested in the game, and they'll bring their sensibilities with them. OTOH, we'll also sell a bunch of copies of the core rules to go with it, and that'll lead to increased support for the rest of the line. And besides, there's nothing that stops more proposals for Genrebooks like IN:A to be submitted. Take a look at In Nomine: 2070 by Phil Moyer -- it makes a good case that In Nomine Space would be a good product. Further, a 32 page book on In Nomine: The Purity Crusade could give us some good basic rules on running games in this time, plus a canon Uriel writeup, and so on, and so on.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:34:09 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement >Interesting concept! In Nomine Fantasy, In Nomine Cyberpunk, In Nomine >Transhuman Space, In Nomine Fuzzy Space Bunnies (well, maybe not) In Nomine Steampunk ... oh wait ... I already did that :) http://www.phoenyx.net/deusx/ Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:35:31 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement > In Nomine Steampunk ... oh wait ... > > I already did that :) > > http://www.phoenyx.net/deusx/ This shameless plug brought to you by the Demon of Product Placement, Impudite Servitor of the Media. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:41:39 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Query Is anyone going to Millennium Philcon next week? Will there be a Steve Jackson Games presence? How about an In Nomine presence? (Don't look at me, I'm already signed up for two house-rules D&D games and a live-action Call of Cthulhu run, and that's before I even get there ...) I will be there. Janet Anderson * * * * Beware the anger of a patient bard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:44:13 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement In Nomine Space would be a good product. I would LOVE this sort of product. Its been very hard running one now, but I am happy with any additional information and products, including the upcoming IN Anime. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:42:50 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's Wild Kingdom > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Perry Lloyd wrote: > > > Because you don't get to choose which Attunement you receive, for one. > > Also, if you do the math, Frog's leap (at Str 10) gives up a 30ft jump > > straight UP, and 50 feet across, more than the Tiger. Furthermore, it's > > Jordi's grade 3 angels getting these powers, his Masters of the Creature > > Within. They -should- be sick powerful, SFAIK. > > Well, from that POV then, why would Jordi ever bother giving out the > weaker attunements when the stronger ones are far better? For the same reason the military doesn't give all of it's pilots a stealth bomber, the same reason the people on the lower ranks of any totem pole don't have access to the big power, whatever its form. Isn't the point of having rewards of different quality is so that they may be given as rewards for work of different quality? Not all of Jordi's Masters will be of equal quality, nor will PCs who've managed to earn Jordi's attention and merit to be granted on of these abilities (probably not one of the better one's either). > There *is* an in-game reason for play balance, after all... Play Balance? In In Nonine's attunements and distinctions? What play balance? I'm sorry but since when are the attunements balanced in power? (Ofanite of Jean vs Ofanite of Jordi) are the Distinctions even near balanced?? Vassal of Animals vs Vassal of virtually anything else, Destiny's vassal grants photographic memory! Master of the Creature within is very useful for picking out who hates/loves animals in a crowd, but compare its power to Master of the Armies of God? Deep Gaze vs Remote Control? Swipe vs Call of the Wild? Divine Logic vs Proficiency? In Nomine isn't balanced, comparing the Ofanite resonance to the Cherub resonance, Haballah resonance vs the Elohite resonance? Prank vs Vampiric Kiss? Polarize vs Devour? Malakite of Yves vs Lilim of Fire, Balseraph of Kronos vs Djinn of Theft? - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. " - --Chinese Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:04:53 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Query [now OT - in just one reply!] Janet Anderson wrote: > live-action Call of Cthulhu [blink blink] Tell me you have a large green foam head piece for the big C himself. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:13:47 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Query [now OT - in just one reply!] >Janet Anderson wrote: > > live-action Call of Cthulhu > > [blink blink] > Tell me you have a large green foam head piece for the big C himself. I don't know. I'm not the GM, I'm a player. * * * * Beware the anger of a patient bard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:17:55 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> An interesting announcement *Looks at the new product* You know I really love you guys. I really do but sometimes I wonder if Fleurity is creeping around your office sometimes. I admit I'm going to buy it not just out of loyalty but a bit of morbid curiousity personally. The idea of In Nomine becomming a sub-GURPS is fairly interesting me however and might actually make the work sell a little better. (In Nomine Steampunk, In Nomine Occult> The Demons and Angels take their apcolypse etc VERY serioulsy, In Nomine TOON) Anime is a very popular group of series but I'm not exactly sure really if it can really be called a genre even (despite Big Eyes Small Mouth and other attempts to lump it together) and more precisely I somewhat question it's relationship to Angels despite my own attempts to make most noble Washu-chaan into Jean's most powerful servitor. Aside from AH! My Goddess Neo Genesis Evangelion and arguably the original in Sailor Moon the world of Angels has very little to really do with Anime aside from being mysterious and interesting to Eastern audiences. I won't point out that my soldier character wields an umbrella though... - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:50:24 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement > Interesting concept! In Nomine Fantasy, In Nomine Cyberpunk, In Nomine > Transhuman Space, In Nomine Fuzzy Space Bunnies (well, maybe not) > > Brian YES. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "A person's character is his destiny." - --fortune cookie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:52:17 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement > > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/anime/ > > Oooh, nice. Although the cover doesn't make me think of anime. Assorted > mechanoids staring up at and/or reaching for a sad nude techno-angelic- > patchwork woman? I'm not really sure what it makes me think of. > > Any hints from the anime connoisseurs? > > Shane. have to agree here, it'll need more anime art. about the only thing Anime about the cover is the robots things below, the angel isn't very anime. BIG EYES, SMALL MOUTH!!! - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:48:58 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/anime/ > > > > Wow... never thought the line would go THAT direction. Way cool. Why somewhat surprising, doesn't phase me. The idea's come up multiple times on the list, it's been reflected on a few fan sites, and White Wolf just did it with Exulted, why shouldn't we? And, since Genevieve is writing it, I'll be checking it out. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "A person's character is his destiny." - --fortune cookie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:39:39 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement > You know I really love you guys. I really do but sometimes I wonder if > Fleurity is creeping around your office sometimes. Actually, he lives in my basement and I feed him popcorn flavored jelly beans. How else do you think I ended up with over $1000 worth of anime in a year? He's still coming after me after I made him pro-War on Drugs. It's called "Fleurity's Revenge." > and arguably the original in Sailor Moon the world of Angels has very little > to really do with Anime aside from being mysterious and interesting to > Eastern audiences. And X, Earthian, and Angel Sanctuary. However, angel anime seems to actually be a sub-genre known as "utterly incomprehensible angel-based anime that is probably cool if you're read the manga in Japanese but makes no sense to use lame gaijins but often features people with big wings chopping up other people with big wings." ********** Emily K. Dresner-Thornber Freelance Writer and Rewriter zenith@evilkitten.org "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:33:46 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement Our spies report that on 02:17 PM 8/24/2001 -0400, Charles Phipps said: >Aside from > >AH! My Goddess >Neo Genesis Evangelion > >and arguably the original in Sailor Moon the world of Angels has very >little to really do with Anime aside from being mysterious and interesting >to Eastern audiences. > >I won't point out that my soldier character wields an umbrella though... Xenogears, while not anime as such, is an anime-influenced game which manages to involve complex theology, Seraphim, Malakim and giant robots. I highly recommend it. I have also seen bits of/trailers for a number of anime movies which have angelic metaphor or symbolism in them. (Hmm...and about the umbrella thing... despite someone earlier referencing a Malakite of Creation, I feel such a person would be a Malakite of the Sword. More serious questing and honor things going on there...just couple this with Hunt and a Perception of 2 (or maybe a damaged sense) and you've really got something.) Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:29:03 -0700 From: "Marcus Evenstar" Subject: IN> 403 Access Denied I've got no access! WAH! I just needed a few PCs for my Dragonflight game so I went to the IN Character Encyclopedia. But I get Code 430 Forbidden. It's going to be too late for Dragonflight since I'm leaving in a few minutes. But I would like to know to get there. I've got a Pyramid subscription and everything! Marcus "Waaah!" Evenstar - -- | RPG Chair - Dragonflight XXI | www.dragonflight.org | | MIB 2404 - Seattle Cell Leader | [Site undeveloped] | "You can't kill a man for trying to save the human race from Nutrasweet, Pokemon, and Governor George W. Bush." - Dr. Krigstein [The Authority] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:32:10 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> An interesting announcement From: "Jason Schneiderman" > > >So, well.... yup, probably, I'm afraid so. Sorry. > > S'okay. I'll just sit over here with Janet and grouse. :) Oh come now, you know you've wanted to see SuperDeformed Mercurians of Flowers, and to hear Dominic yell "BLAZING SWORD OF HEAVENLY JUDGMENT!" at a horde of demons... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:39:23 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> 403 Access Denied Same here. I just thought it my server. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2346 ********************************