in_nomine-digest Tuesday, September 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2356 In this digest: IN> Well, I don't quite think that this is a 'Successor' (Part 2) RE: IN> Name that demon Re: IN> (fantasy) On dragons Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> (fantasy) On dragons Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re:IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re:IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island RE: IN> September's Theme Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island RE: IN> September's Theme IN> Crap TV IN> Out of curiosity... IN> Shedite and Divine Intervention Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> Shedite and Divine Intervention IN> Is it Mammon or Kobal....? Re: IN> Crap TV Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> Well, I don't quite think that this is a 'Successor'... (Part 1) Re: IN> Well, I don't quite think that this is a 'Successor' (Part 2) Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> On Lightning Re: IN> Well, I don't quite think that this is a 'Successor' (Part 2) Re: IN> Shedite and Divine Intervention Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Re: IN> Shedite and Divine Intervention IN> Successors: The Twenty-Four Elders ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Well, I don't quite think that this is a 'Successor' (Part 2) No, I don't where this one came from, either. :) Moe Eli, Kyriotate AA of Creation (cont.) Laurence: "No complaints from me: Eli only tries to joggle my elbow when it knows something that I don't - and, unlike certain others, it almost never does so frivolously." "I prefer his methods to that of his predecessors: Michael was too ready to s u b ordinate strategy to tactics, and Uriel ... well, the less said about him, the better. Laurence is really the best one to handle the larger picture of the War." Marc: "When Eli acquires an interesting tidbit of information, it passes it along to me. Other than that, it and I really don't have too much of a relationship: Eli's a bit too protean for me to get a handle on its personality. We can still do business, of course - we just don't socialize too much." "He's reasonable, clever and very good at what he does. I'm not about to try to do his job for him - especially when I wouldn't be as good at it. I worry sometimes about whether he's enjoying the symbols of his work too much, but he's been able to handle it so far." Michael: "Eli's got no staying power and less ruthlessness, except when it comes to its favorite obsessions. On the other hand, its Servitors can be very, very useful, so I usually let things slide. I'd be nice to a purple-assed baboon if it could set up supply lines at the drop of a hat..." "Extremely good at a very narrow field of endeavor. Now that Laurence is running things, most of my major objections to him have gone away." Novalis: "I'm glad that it's doing what it's doing to aid my task: I just wish that Eli would see that its sitting on the fence is only prolonging the War. I can't force Eli to fully agree with me, though, and I wouldn't, even if I could. At least it listens." "In her field, she reigns supreme ... and her field is larger than certain of my colleagues might think. When she's right and they're wrong, I say so. Besides, when she dimples at you, it's very hard to say no." Yves: "All of us are our Words: it's just easier to see with Eli. I am glad that it keeps such an intimate connection with the world: I trust that it will not, in the process, lose sight of the greater picture." "When I am deep in some aspect of Creation, so overcome with the beauty and wonder of it that I am about to burst, I turn around ... and there Yves is, quietly smoking one of those awful cigarettes of his and nodding in shared appreciation. I never have to explain anything to him, and that's wonderful." Role in the War Eli's paramount concern about the War is that the conflict does not end up negating the Universe or any significant proportion thereof. This is not to say that the Archangel of Creation doesn't care about anything else: it's just that it doesn't worry about most of them. In Eli's view, every Archangel has a specific job ... and Eli's is to make sure that reality doesn't go down the metaphorical drain. Everything else is pretty much a secondary objective. Of course, maintaining the status quo is nice, but improving it is better. Servitors of Creation have all been tasked with making things better, on a variety of levels. Some repair, some create ... and some weed out particularly obnoxious Demonic influences. In their copious free time, they get to help Servitors of other Words in their duties. Eli is very big on cooperation and preventive maintenance. Eli's servants are usually given specific jobs and/or areas of oversight, and are expected and encouraged to use their own judgement on how to go about doing them. If this means recruiting Soldiers (or angels from other Words), fine: if it means using pliable agents from the Other Side ... well, there had better be a good reason, and don't expect the Archangel to cover your posterior if things blow up in your face. The Inquisition is there for a reason, after all. Eli will keep you out of trouble if you happen to be right, but playing with fire has consequences. It should be noted that, should a Servitor of Creation be found to be accepting assistance from Servitors of either Technology or Fate, no matter how benign, he will be lucky if the Inquisition catches up to him before Eli does. The Archangel of Creation absolutely loathes Vapula and Kronos (in that order) - and is said to slightly fear what the former could be capable of, as well. Cleanly wrecking the plans of Technology is always a good way to win Eli's favor. Rites Every Servitor of Creation is given a Rite that reflects its duties. In general, this will involve some sort of activity that fosters creativity or building, and can be used twice per day. Note that these Rites may not be unique (for example, many Creationers in the publishing business have the Rite 'Give an honest critique of a literary work'), but will be fairly specific. Servitors that switch duties switch Rites: if the Creationer can still use the old one, Eli will often let the angel keep it as a minor reward. Eli also gives to all his Servitors the "successful use of 3 Artistic/Craft skills in a row" Rite found in the canonical Eli description. Chance of Invocation: roll one die (Eli's always busy, but you never know just how busy) Modifiers +1 A tool. +2 The workshop of an artist. +3 A place where a new work of art or craft is being displayed for the first time. +4 A sincerely penitent demon seeking Redemption. +5 The site of a former Infernal Tether, provided that it is now a place of creation. +6 Something unique - by Eli's standards. Personality and History Eli was the First Kyriotate ever created, and is thus in many ways a template for the Choir: it combines a dizzying number of viewpoints and attitudes in one personality. The first thing others get upon meeting it is a sense that in many ways Eli is the corporeal Universe's mouth. Yves may speak for God; Blandine may have the Marches sing through her soul; Jean may be an expression of the mechanics of the physical universe - but Eli is the one who can speak of what it feels like to be a star or planet or small gray stone. This link explains a good part of Eli's own particular quirks. For one thing, the Archangel tends to be fairly chaotic to speak with: there's so many things going on at any given time, and the various aspects of its psyche have a moderately independent existence. Sometimes the aspect desperately needed right now is the one talking to someone else: Eli will have another part of itself continue the conversation, but the new aspect may not be fully informed... This has led detractors to suggest that the Archangel of Creation lacks focus. It's true, depending on how you define the term: Eli has a lot to watch over, and even it cannot give its full attention to everything at the same time. It copes by casting as wide a net as possible ... and dropping everything unimportant when a crisis comes up. Most other Superiors say that they wish Eli would pay more attention to things, but the few times that it concentrates on only one thing has been disconcerting to even them. Being the object of Eli's sole scrutiny can cause the average celestial's ears to bleed. Fortunately or unfortunately, it takes a lot to get that level of attention: the Archangel of Creation reserves it for acts of negation. 'Negation' is a fairly important term in the Creationer's lexicon: they use it to refer to the utter obliteration of something. Death is not negation: the body is still there, its molecules still in existence, and the soul is merely translated into a new form. Even soul-death does not destroy Forces (although the loss of a unique pattern is to be mourned): to negate an item, one must remove it completely from the universes. This sort of thing is rare, and Eli does its best to keep it that way. Its earliest foe was Mariel, and the battles between Oblivion and Creation were notable for their utter lack of mercy on either side. Dominic is not certain, even today, about whether Eli provided any covert assistance in her removal. These days, the primary foe is deemed to be Vapula: the Prince of Technology may not be intending to obliterate the world (should such a thing be even possible), but Eli has little faith in Vapula's ability to avoid doing it accidentally. The other thing to really note about Eli is its - well, 'arrogance' may not be the best world. 'Unconscious air of good-natured superiority' is a better description. From Eli's point of view, the Word of Creation is one of the four or five Words that really matter: the others are useful and important, of course, but Heaven could lose Stone or Flowers and still remain a going concern. To lose Creation would be to lose one of the pillars of the universe. Thankfully, there's no danger of that happening any time soon - one of the nice things about having a starkly necessary Word is that it gives one many s u b tle and u n s een protections - but there's a certain satisfaction in knowing that doing your job well is very important. It may also be extremely nerve-wracking, perhaps, but still a satisfaction. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 00:08:22 -0700 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: RE: IN> Name that demon On 03 Sep 2001 00:01:47 +0100 Richard C Hanton-Rutherford wrote: > Whatever happened to the "Name that Demon" thing that was doing > the rounds not that long ago? I can't remember who started it, but it was pretty cool. More, please. > > Richie H-R I'm the guilty party. I'm still waiting for a good follow-up inspiration, though you are more than welcome to start you're own Name that Demon to which I will contribute. In the mean time, here's another life imitating art moment. Anyone else catch this story and ponder the connection to Jo's story? Firedrake anyone? 44 Die in Tokyo as Fire Sweeps Gambling Club By HOWARD W. FRENCH A fire swept through a crowded gambling club in Tokyo's busiest entertainment district, killing at least 44 people and injuring 3 others http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/01/international/01JAPA.html?ex=1000362312&ei =1&en=4218cf16267bd1fd Login: fnord Password: fnord Still trying to name my own demons, Vaughn - - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - "In theory, theory and practice are the same." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:32:11 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> (fantasy) On dragons Rolland Therrien wrote: > Me, I could definetly see the likes of Michael, Baal, Dominic and > Mammon as draconic serpents: Michael as a strong, powerful golden > dragon, Dominic as a dark, looking drake wrapped in his own wings, > Baal a dark and fiersome wyrm, Mammon a hoarding wyvern, etc... > > Any opinions on this? I like this so much, I even suggested it myself back in 4/28/99, in a post suggesting several alternate celestial forms. Here's the part for seraphim: - --- Here are some alternative, non-canonical celestial forms, which I present for whoever might like them. Why? It varies: For seraphim, it bothered me that our only Scriptural reference clearly describes them as having six wings, hands, and feet. [...] Seraphim -- Give the canonical seraph a total of six wings, a coat of feathers, and four short legs. The result looks a lot like a winged and six-eyed Chinese dragon (who are often shown using their forefeet as hands). Since the feathery coat can have any color pattern at all, the result might also suggest Quetzalcoatl, the rainbow-serpent god of Central America. (*Now*, at least, they have all the limbs attributed to them in Scripture.) Balseraphim -- the wings become bat-like and the feathers become scales. - --- I tend to picture all three pairs of wings as closely-spaced, each pair rather long and thin, the whole making up a single compound wing-surface. This looks more plausible, not that aerodynamics really has anything to do with seraphim. In some IN fan-fic, by Ms. Cogman I think, I spotted a seraph with six wings, which was gratifyingly Scriptural. Earl Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:51:12 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island At 9:54 AM +0100 9/3/01, Richard C Hanton-Rutherford wrote: > >I have this image that Nybbas decides to institute a daytime TV >>channel in >>Hell, to seduce more souls from Shal-Mari to Perdition, and because >>he just >>likes it. So he sends a crack hit squad to murder selected "stars" (so >>that >>they'll be able to star in HellTV personally when their souls arrive >>there) >>such as Jamie Olivier, Laurence Llewellyn-Bowen, (add whoever you >>think >>would make good HellTV.) > >Good Old Laurence. I can't believe I missed him first time. Mm. As I said, I like Changing Rooms. That being said, if Laurence Llewellyn-Bowen accidentially fell into a charging cowcatcher on the front of a locomotive... well, that'd be all right. Of course, he seems rather Balseraph to me anyhow. He listens to what the contestants think would be a good idea for a room, nods, then says something almost but not entirely unlike the opposite and convinces them it was their idea.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:46:10 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island At 1:20 AM +0100 9/3/01, Richard C Hanton-Rutherford wrote: > This could form a whole new major IN campaign - "Nybbas kills off >all the annoying T.V. celebrities in the pursuit of fat ratings >boosts". I'm afraid I've never heard of the shows you mention (I >assume they're American) but British readers could imagine the joys >of Nybbas inviting Ainsley Harriot, Jim Davidson and Jamie Oliver >onto a special celebrity edition of "Can't cook, Won't cook", and >then releasing an enraged Calabite with a chainsaw and electric >egg-whisk. And as for "Changing Rooms".... But... I like both Ainsley Harriot and "Changing Rooms...." Now, a Calabite can tuck into Jamie Oliver and "Ground Force" and I won't shed any tears.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:09:02 -0300 From: pbarkow@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: IN> (fantasy) On dragons On 4 Sep 01, at 9:32, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > In some IN fan-fic, by Ms. Cogman I think, I spotted a seraph > with six wings, which was gratifyingly Scriptural. I was under the impression the Seraphim having six wings was IN Canon as well as Scriptural. "Smoking is frowned upon. Exception can be made for girls who have just experienced severe friction." Philip Barkow pbarkow@is2.dal.ca http://is2.dal.ca/~pbarkow/ Harbinger of Keener-sama Vice President DPG Official Fashion Consultant and Hentai of the DGML Shameless Faith/Buffy shipper. Lapsed Discordian Head of the Keiko-chanian faction Hug Guy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:29:00 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island >>Good Old Laurence. I can't believe I missed him first time. > >Mm. As I said, I like Changing Rooms. That being said, if Laurence >Llewellyn-Bowen accidentially fell into a charging cowcatcher on the >front of a locomotive... well, that'd be all right. > Exactly. Now you're getting into the spirit of it! jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: 04 Sep 2001 17:23:25 +0100 From: "Richard C Hanton-Rutherford" Subject: Re:IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island >Of course, he seems rather Balseraph to me anyhow. He listens to >what >the contestants think would be a good idea for a room, nods, then >says something almost but not entirely unlike the opposite and >convinces them it was their idea.... That's right - Laurence is a Balseraph, Anne Robinson is a Habbalah and Ainsley Harriot is the favoured host of a Shedim of Dark Humour with a penchant for public humiliation. Jimmy Saville is a Lillim (imposing a geas/6 on every kid he "fixed it" for), but his most famous vessel has been retired due to age. Jilly Goulden is also a Balseraph, possibly with the damaged sense Discord ("I can taste damson's, caramel... there's a distinctive base note of dignity, topped with peaches") As for Jamie Oliver, not even hell can produce anything so vile - he's probably some mindless, pan-dimensional entity crafted from pure torment. Or something. Richie H-R - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:02:04 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Next time a British friend attempts to insult American television, I am going to point him in the direction of this show that you folks are going on about. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:12:57 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island >From: Cameron McCurry >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:02:04 -0400 > > Next time a British friend attempts to insult American television, I >am going to point him in the direction of this show that you folks are >going on about. -:-) > > You're just jealous because not only do we do good TV better than you do, we also do crap TV better :P (And for my next trick, I present: Eurotrash. ) Plot Seed: Antoine des Caunes is an agent of Dominic. Everyone hates him, including his boss. (And frankly, we're not surprised.) How long before he realises that his "assignments" are in fact total rubbish and that no matter how long he spends interrogating the penguin-loving residents of Antwerp with his outrageous French accent, he won't find any heresy to report? jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:19:59 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island > You're just jealous because not only do we do good TV better than you do, we > also do crap TV better :P True. And the whiny little Brit that they had on that one episode of Road Rules was far more repulsive than his American traveling companions. -:-) > (And for my next trick, I present: Eurotrash. ) hmmm...Sounds almost like a Diabolical Word. I'd better get moving on this. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:28:20 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re:IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island At 5:23 PM +0100 9/4/01, Richard C Hanton-Rutherford wrote: >That's right - Laurence is a Balseraph, Anne Robinson is a Habbalah >and Ainsley Harriot is the favoured host of a Shedim of Dark Humour >with a penchant for public humiliation. Mm -- Ainsley doesn't corrupt further and further. I wake up each morning to "Can't Cook, Won't Cook" -- between it and the Antique Road Show I find myself awake whether I like it or not. He's pretty much on an even level. So, if he's Infernal, I'd call him an Impudite. Dark Humor still works. >As for Jamie Oliver, not even hell can produce anything so vile - >he's probably some mindless, pan-dimensional entity crafted from >pure torment. Or something. Never forget -- Hell cannot craft evil so dark and dank that it is beyond the reach of the human soul. Jamie Oliver is worse than all of the above... he's human. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:39:03 +0100 From: "Nick Ashton" Subject: RE: IN> September's Theme > >The winner is "Successors." > > Successors ? What the hell does that mean ? Like sequels or > like "the next > Yves" or something ? Its In Nomine in the period after the death of Alexander the Great. ....right? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:37:49 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island At 5:12 PM +0000 9/4/01, Jo Hart wrote: >You're just jealous because not only do we do good TV better than >you do, we also do crap TV better :P Sadly, despite my American heritage, I have to concur. "Castaway" was infinitely better crap TV than "Survivor." "Changing Rooms" is much better crap TV (hey -- just because I like it doesn't mean it isn't crap) than the American version they did -- and Carol Smillie herself is a vast improvement over Vanna White. (And that is now dear Carol got her start, on the UK Wheel of Fortune). "Handy" Andy, on the other hand, is clearly some form of bitter Djinn... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> September's Theme - --- Nick Ashton wrote: > > Successors ? What the hell does that mean ? Like > sequels or like "the next Yves" or something ? > > Its In Nomine in the period after the death of Alexander > the Great. It's IN after the canonical Superiors have died or been recalled. Submit your ideas for the new AA of War, DP of Fire, etc. Nor are we confined to the existing Words, IIRC; close counts. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Crap TV - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 5:12 PM +0000 9/4/01, Jo Hart wrote: > >You're just jealous because not only do we do good TV > better than > >you do, we also do crap TV better :P > > Sadly, despite my American heritage, I have to concur. Are you saying that British crap TV is crappier than its American counterpart? };> Not that crap is always a bad thing; I miss Benny Hill (that old Soldier of Creation). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:21:12 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Out of curiosity... Is there any news at all on the status of getting the digests back on line? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: IN> Shedite and Divine Intervention It just has to be... http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bible_shooting010904.html Ryan Roth ------------------------------ Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:49:10 +0100 From: "Richard C Hanton-Rutherford" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island > Next time a British friend attempts to insult American television, I >am going to point him in the direction of this show that you folks are >going on about. -:-) You mean, I've provided Americans with ammunition against us? Give us back our tea, damn you :) (smileys are the work of Lucifer, but I felt one was relevant there). Richie H-R - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:47:19 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Shedite and Divine Intervention Am I the only person to think the reasonable course of action would have been to shoot the mother-in-law instead? - -- Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:53:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: IN> Is it Mammon or Kobal....? JESUS CHRIST ACTION FIGURE You know you want one. www.archiemcphee.com Ryan Roth ------------------------------ Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:57:35 +0100 From: "Richard C Hanton-Rutherford" Subject: Re: IN> Crap TV > Are you saying that British crap TV is crappier than its >American counterpart? };> Not that crap is always a bad >thing; I miss Benny Hill (that old Soldier of Creation). Paul Daniels - Habbalah of Fate. I promise that's my last one (for the moment anyway). Richie H-R - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Schreier Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island Good day, I am a new subscriber to the list and just had a few questions .... I am sorry if they have already been addressed first - is there a digest format? the amount of traffic in the first hour is amazing ... I can only imagine how many messages I will have tommorrow morning ... second - have any of you run any cross-over games w/ delta green? third - are there many resources for conversions of items into GURPs (aside from the book itself ... i.e. has anyone converted the liber series items into GURPS?) Thanks in advance, Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:59:19 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Well, I don't quite think that this is a 'Successor'... (Part 1) This was a great active version of Eli! I loved how this version was very involved with the council and is far more playable than the canon version. It was a very complete write up. Thank you! Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:04:30 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Well, I don't quite think that this is a 'Successor' (Part 2) but Eli is the one who can speak of what it feels like to be a star or planet or small gray stone. I particularly love this aspect. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:52:53 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island From: "Jo Hart" > > You're just jealous because not only do we do good TV better than > you do, we also do crap TV better :P At least our version of Match Game didn't need a drag queen host to be interesting. ;p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:52:53 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island From: "Jo Hart" > > You're just jealous because not only do we do good TV better than > you do, we also do crap TV better :P At least our version of Match Game didn't need a drag queen host to be interesting. ;p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:50:49 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> On Lightning At 15:12 -0400 9/1/01, adamiani@umich.edu wrote: > I've been giving this a lot of thought, as a consequence of developing >a servitor of Jean who's been in trauma for a really long time. The thing >that always puzzeled me is that before, say, the 18th century, there was no >conceptual link between 'Lightning' and 'Science' or 'Scientific progress'; >thus Jean couldn't have been drawing essence from his current slate of >activities: teaching humans how to make a new kind of plow or movable type >would seem to offer very little benefit to the word of Lightning. Actually, one can make a case that Lightning was involved in human advancement very early, with the discovery of the uses of fire. The easiest source of fire for early Man to play with were fires started by nearby lightning strikes. (There's a quote from Jean in my campaign along the lines of "Do you know how many times I had to hit nearby trees before those humans got a clue about fire?") - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:06 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Well, I don't quite think that this is a 'Successor' (Part 2) In article <20010904032021.62681.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com>, moelane_1999@yahoo.com (Maurice Lane) wrote: > This link explains a good part of Eli's own particular > quirks. For one thing, the Archangel tends to be > fairly chaotic to speak with: there's so many things > going on at any given time, and the various aspects of > its psyche have a moderately independent existence. > Sometimes the aspect desperately needed right now is > the one talking to someone else: Eli will have another > part of itself continue the conversation, but the new > aspect may not be fully informed... Radio static as Eli retunes is up to the GM? > These days, the primary foe is deemed to be Vapula: the Prince of > Technology may not be intending to obliterate the world (should such > a thing be even possible), but Eli has little faith in Vapula's > ability to avoid doing it accidentally. "There's this fascinating variation on Big Bang theory, that says the universe behaves as if it arose from a quantum fluctuation. It could disappear at any moment, although it's highly unlikely. There are two flavours of this theory. In one, the whole universe disappears simultaneously; in the other it starts vanishing in one place, and the wavefront of obliteration takes the Plank time to finish spreading across the universe! Hand me the large probability spanner, would you?" - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Shedite and Divine Intervention - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > Am I the only person to think the reasonable course of > action would have > been to shoot the mother-in-law instead? Nah... Mom-in-law's a Balseraph. How else would even a Shedite get a mother to shoot her own kids? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:11:38 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:Survive the Secret Temptation of Maze Island >Good day, > >I am a new subscriber to the list and just had a few >questions .... I am sorry if they have already been >addressed It's a good idea to check the FAQ and the "welcome" message you got when you signed up; the errata can help in case there's something weird about the game itself. If the question isn't answered there, no one will generally have a problem with you asking it. >first - is there a digest format? the amount of >traffic in the first hour is amazing ... I can only >imagine how many messages I will have tommorrow >morning ... Yes, there is a digest, which can be reached on the Web by following links from http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/ . There is also a digest mailing list, to which you can s u b scribe. That will send you one large combined mailing each day, if I remember aright. Average traffic on the list is about 30 mails a day, in my experience. >second - have any of you run any cross-over games w/ >delta green? Sounds like a "Special Forces" or "Black Ops" deal. I haven't personally, but such games have occasionally been discussed. In general, they tend to alter the setting of In Nomine slightly by making (some) humans more powerful with respect to angels and demons. >third - are there many resources for conversions of >items into GURPs (aside from the book itself ... i.e. >has anyone converted the liber series items into >GURPS?) I've done conversions for the Liber Canticorum, and can answer most questions you'd like there. (They're not official, although they may be hitting a sjgames Web page sometime in the murky future.) I think someone has also run through the Liber Reliquarum. >Thanks in advance, >Jeff William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:21:31 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Shedite and Divine Intervention > Am I the only person to think the reasonable course of action would have > been to shoot the mother-in-law instead? Nope. And the deputies who caught her did shoot her. But she lived. Darn Shedites....worse than roaches. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:18:40 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Successors: The Twenty-Four Elders It started when Vapula discovered Word Combat. Corporeal, ethereal, and celestial combat pits the respective Forces of the combatants against each other, but there remains another kind of Force, Word Force. Vapula demonstrated to Baal that Word-to-Word combat was possible, and Baal soon made it a reality. He lived to regret it. Word Combat could take place on any of the three planes. (It tended to look very mythic and allegorical, when in progress.) Hell had the jump on Heaven, of course, but Heaven caught up very quickly (thanks to Jean, mostly) and had better teamwork. The ensuing carnage left both sides with most of their Wordbound dead or Word-stripped -- including Superiors. The Word War managed (barely) to stay out of sight of the mundane population, but there was a noticeable effect -- cultural change slowed to about one third its previous rate. New political issues became rarer, as did new inventions. Old issues hardly evolved. There were no celestials, behind the scenes, stirring the pot; they were all away licking their wounds. This empty phase ended with the return of Eli. He showed up, one day, in the meeting chambers of the Seraphim Council, smiling reassuringly, like a doctor visiting a ward-full of patients. "Eli," Dominic began, summoning both his remaining Word Forces to the fore, "I charge you with abandonning your post. What have you--" "Very good, Dominic," Eli said. "Well done, good and faithful servant. But the charge does not apply because I have been doing Heaven's work while I was gone. And because you have no authority to charge Me." Eli then revealed that He, like Yves, was a direct emmanation of the Godhead, and not a Mercurian. The same was true of the reclusive Azrael, Archangel of Death. The fact that the three of Them, taken together, strongly resembled Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, might *just* have had something to do with the mutual benign neglect between Heaven and the Hindu pantheon. Eli then presented His battered (and stunned) Archangels with the good news -- they were all recalled to the Upper Heavens, after appointing their successors, in accordance with the plan He then outlined. The result was the Council of the Twenty-Four Elders, consisting of the Council of the Sephiroth, with eleven members, and the Council of Creation, with thirteen members. These new archangels are: THE SEPHIROTHIC ARCHANGELS Ketriel, Aeon Archangel of Grace, successor to Yves and Gabriel - She, like Yves (and, it turns out, Eli and Azrael) is a direct emmanation of God. She is seldom seen, but delivers rare, indisputable messages of divine guidance to the other Archangels. Her angels steer mortals toward their destinies with divinely-guided bodily help and spiritual inspirations. Chokhmael, Seraph Archangel of Holiness, successor to Khalid - His angels work to encourage prayer and meditation in mortal private lives. They work much on the Ethereal Plane. Binael, Cherub Archangel of Worship, successor to Laurence - Her angels work to make religion a positive factor in mortal social life. Deuel, Elohite Archangel of Wisdom, successor to Jean, Yves, and Litheroy - Its angels promote learning and, better yet, intelligence and, best of all, wisdom. Hesediah, Ophanite Archangel of Generosity, successor to Novalis and Marc - His angels work to encourage charitable giving, prosperity, and mercy. Daniel, Elohite Archangel of Justice, successor to Dominic - Its angels work to encourage justice on Earth but do not act as a Heavenly Inquisition, though they settle disagreements in Heaven when necessary. Jophiel, Kyriotate Archangel of Harmony, successor to Uriel - Its angels work for sanity and moderation, and thus against obsession, addiction, gluttony, and lust. Netzachiah, Kyriotate Archangel of Hope, successor to Blandine - Its angels give aid to the desparate and work against the voices of despair, but do not have a special place on the Ethereal Plane; all the Archangels share this duty now. Hodiel, Malakite Archangel of Courage, successor to Michael and Laurence (and Uriel, sorta) - Her angels inspire mortals to heroism and take the lead in smiting demons. She is the current Commander of the Host. Yesodiah, Cherub Archangel of Faith, successor to David and Khalid - His angels support of loyalty, trust, and group cohesion; besides religious faith, they work for patriotism, solid marriages, honored contracts, lifelong friendships, stable families. Shekhinah, Mercurian Archangel of the World, successor to Zadkiel and Christopher - Hers are the guardian angels, who try to protect mortals from catastrophe and, more especially, from diabolicals. THE ARCHANGELS OF CREATION Twelve of the thirteen Archangels of Creation are paired, working in close cooperation, almost like a marriage. ALL of these Archangels are successors to Eli, whoever else they may also inherit from. Shamshiel and Layliel, Seraphim Archangels of Light and Dark, successors to Gabriel - Yes, their Words are a deliberate retort to Lucifer's once and (possibly) present Words. Their angels both inspire and punish, and are masters of both illusion and physical energy. Shamshiel inspires researchers and inventors; Layliel inspires artists. Sahaqiel and Tamiel, Malakim Archangels of Height and Depth, successors to Michael - Before he was War, Michael was still the great achiever among angels. His heirs reflect this. Their angels inspire mortals to explore and excel. In bizarre vessels, they patrol the vast waste places of the world. Closer to home, they guard, lead, and inspire moral efforts. Arariel and Admael, Cherubim Archangels of Sea and Land, successors to Janus (or Oannes) and David - The least stable "marriage" among the Archangels of creation, Arariel promoted change while Admael promotes stability. They're *supposed* to work out a fruitful dialectic... Ruachel and Kochavel, Ophanim Archangels of the Air and Heavens, successors of Janus and Jean - Ruachel has Janus's old corporeal domain; Kochavel's domain is that of invisible forces and radiation. They govern aviation, spaceflight, and by extention all matters of travel, as well as telecommunications. Arithiel and Andiel, Bright Lilim Archangels of Fish and Birds, successors of Jordi - They protect their sectors of the ecology, as Jordi did, but Arithiel (who governs all aquatic life, not just fishes proper) also promotes renewal and is closely allied with Netzachiah, Archangel of Hope; and Andiel (who governs all things that fly) promotes freedom ("Hi, Mom!") and is allied with Hodiel, Archangel of Courage. Maktiel and Thuriel, Kyriotate Archangels of Plants and Beasts, successors of Jordi and Novalis - Besides being celestial environmentalists, like Jordi, and promoting kindess to animals, they promote health and therefore athletics, medical care, and food-production. Sabathiel, Mercurian Archangel of Peace, successor of Novalis - She is, in the first approximation, Novalis without the foliage, and is closely allied with Shekhinah. But she also governs all "holy days," including holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, and so on, and many of her rites and attunements focus on these ways of ordering time. I'll do the Lowerarchy in another post. Earl ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2356 ********************************