in_nomine-digest Friday, September 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2386 In this digest: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... IN> Re:BlackWing Blandine IN> In Dark Ages. Re: IN> Re:BlackWing Blandine Re: IN> News Updates (Re: IN Game Line) Re: IN> Superior What-if: Blandine Re: IN> When I grow up, I want to be...Part XII Re: IN> In Dark Ages. Re: IN> Superior What-if: Blandine Re: IN> Superior What-if: Blandine Re: IN> Superior What-if: Blandine Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... Re: IN> Ozma's Hellish Superior opinions Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... RE: IN> Disadvantage: Allergic IN> Neanderphilim in Daily Illuminator Re: IN> Game Line IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2385 IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2385 IN> GURPS IN AID Re: IN> Re:Songs Fwd: Re: IN> Re:BlackWing Blandine Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2385 IN> ages was Re: In Dark Ages. Re: IN> Re:Songs RE: IN> Disadvantage: Allergic Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2385 Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... IN> Posting the Iron Rev IV stuff... IN> Must not have gone through.... IN> Verbum Dei IN> Ozma's Ethereal opinions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:46:21 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... But take a look at http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/elements/carbon.html anyway. If I have to explain the possible In Nomine relevance of this one to anybody who reads it, I will fear for the future. :;:) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:59:19 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:BlackWing Blandine > Malakim (restricted)--Blandine's Malakim are able to spot demonic influence > within a dreamscape with a Resonance roll. This overlaps with existing Dream attunements - current influence will be spotted by the Seraph Attunement; past influence by the Friend of the Sleeper Distinction. Given that her current Malakite attunement is a combined stealth advantage and the equiv. of Mercurian of The Sword in Celestial combat, why not keep it? :-) Interesting write-up. If a human dreams of a Knight in Shining Armour, does Blandine consider that to be her rather than Laurence? :-) James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:11:06 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> In Dark Ages. >>Private replies are encouraged (to reduce volume on the list), but not >>required. > > Personally I would prefer it on list. Theories, thoughts 'n' stuff are > good for all I N games. > > Ashley. Settings can be lifted wholesale from other settings; in fact, specifically designing historical IN to link with existing GURPS Historical Sourcebooks might work. What can't be grabbed from elsewhere is the slain/recalled Superiors. Given that Celestials can be thousands old, including rules for having a character who was the Servitor of a previous Superior would be useful. (If you can have a Servitor of Eli in service to someone else, why not an old Servitor of Raphael or Meserach?). This would make the books useful for current day campaigns. If I as GM was asked by a player whether they could play such a PC, I'd be happy so long as they had a detailed background. I'd probably rule that archaic skills (lance, push-pin, black powder weapons etc) would only cost half points, and insist that as many points are spent on archaic skills (or even archaic Songs) as are spent on attunements from the deceased Superior. James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:13:53 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re:BlackWing Blandine > >Interesting write-up. If a human dreams of a Knight in Shining Armour, does >Blandine consider that to be her rather than Laurence? :-) > > Of course! But that's probably true now too :) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:07:49 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> News Updates (Re: IN Game Line) >Weekly, monthly, bi-monthly? What other articles are you going to >suggest get removed when it appears? (Assuming that the columnist >gets _paid_, the budget will come from somewhere...) Would it make >a good enough rating for Steven to want to keep it? (No, I don't think >we can get Ken Hite to do it all the time. Darn it.) > >_Could_ it be written well enough -- or turned into a "The News in >Re-View" for enough different systems -- to entertain even those >who aren't IN-players? I don't know. Either it has content about Angels and Demons in which case it is In Nomine specific, or it is simply a rehash of world news. Personally I do not see the point in simply rehashing the news or putting a different national slant on it. If I want to read English versions of foreign newspapers or American newspapers I can easily enough, a can buy them at news stands or read them on the web. So, for this to make much sense it needs to be In Nomine related and that is by definition going to make it less useful for people who do not play In Nomine. Unless we were careful it could become two things, Heaven's Trumpet and the Herald of Hell. This would be a bad idea from my point of view. An alternative is only to touch on the sweeping arcs rather than any specific event. Celestials are immortal, the sort of short term stuff that interests humans may be of less significance to a celestial especially an AA of DP. For example Saminga may be far more interested in HIV and the thousands that hve died from Aids and Aids related illnesses in Africa every day for years with no clear end that the events at the WTC. David may be more interested in the suffering and struggle for life of the people in Afghanistan who have known nothing but war, oppression and starvation for many years. These could become broad and sweeping plot arcs without a great deal of detail, a bit like the Nybbas Cult of Personality thing. >If so, who gets tapped as the author, to be that skilled? Good point. And who does the editing, and if more than one person is contributing who compiles the thing. Ashley. Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Superior What-if: Blandine - --- Mason Kramer wrote: > "This *can* *not* be allowed!" she cried, echoing the > words of many other > angels over the course of the battle. And as new, black > wings unfurled from > Blandine's back, the nature of Dreams was forever > changed.... Heh. This I liked. Some of the Attunements are a bit pumped up (Bedtime especially; I'd let Celestials and Ethereals add their Ethereal Forces to the Will roll to resist), but not overwhelmingly so. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> When I grow up, I want to be...Part XII - --- james walker wrote: > When I grow, I want to be a Djinn. I'm not fond of the variant Songs, but the rest of this is primo. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:18:21 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> In Dark Ages. > >Settings can be lifted wholesale from other settings; in fact, specifically >designing historical IN to link with existing GURPS Historical Sourcebooks >might work. What can't be grabbed from elsewhere is the slain/recalled >Superiors. So what we don't actually need is In Dark Ages, a world setting, that could be done as a GURPS book. What we need in In Nomine through the ages, an examination of the politics, who is in power, the Superiors and their servants over time, when they fell or were destroyed etc. Their attunements, rites, and everything else A timeline from creation until now. That is a big project. A very big project. It gets even bigger when you consider that how certain groups or Superiors act has changed over time. An angel of the Inquisition will be different now to one from the past and yet it could conceivably be the same angel with the same word. Think about how Gabriel has changed, or Eli before he dropped out. Or Lilith before she stepped into the ranks of Hell. A project of this size could make World of Darkness look small. It's certainly ambitious. Realistic??? Dunno. Ashley. Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:03:20 -0400 From: Mason Kramer Subject: Re: IN> Superior What-if: Blandine On 9/21/01 8:44 AM, "Michael Walton" wrote: > Heh. This I liked. Some of the Attunements are a bit > pumped up (Bedtime especially; I'd let Celestials and > Ethereals add their Ethereal Forces to the Will roll to > resist), but not overwhelmingly so. Glad you liked. As for Bedtime, I considered adding to the Celestial resistance roll, and it's certainly a viable option, arguable either way. I finally rejected it because of a personal bias--Celestials already start with a higher Will on average than the average mortal, giving them a built-in bonus, and it would most often be used against demons, who tend to raise their Will higher still for their Resonance to work. It also requires a touch, which in combat situations means another roll is required. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:53:11 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Superior What-if: Blandine A wonderful variation of Blandine. I didn't see the possibilities until this write up. Even the simple, Nightmares are a subset of Dreams, makes so much sense that I am surprised I didn't see it before. In many ways, Beleth should be fighting an uphill battle, but because the canon-Blandine is not as combative as this one is. The alliance with Laurence is logical, both in the war faction. With their alliance it would be no wonder if the Host was winning the War against the Horde. The extra attunements and distinctions were well crafted. While I still prefer peace faction Blandine, this one was very well done, so well I am trying to find a way to adapt the attunements and distictions. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Superior What-if: Blandine - --- Mason Kramer wrote: > As for Bedtime, I considered adding to the Celestial > resistance roll, and > it's certainly a viable option, arguable either way. I > finally rejected it > because of a personal bias [snip] It also requires a > touch, which in combat > situations means another roll is required. Ah. That does make it a bit more balanced. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:43:53 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... At 11:46 PM 9/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >But take a look at http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/elements/carbon.html >anyway. I think Moe didn't write it simply because (as the note at the bottom, I'm glad to see, indicates) Terry Bisson beat him to it. ("They're made of meat?") ObIN: A fantasy note that I hadn't thought of until recently - what if Superiors started granting vessels that -weren't- made of meat? "Omigod, it's a troll! Run!" "Relax, it's only a Cherub of Stone. Hey, Chrysoprase..." - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:44:14 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... > But take a look at http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/elements/carbon.html > anyway. The one for Neon is also appropriate. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:21:42 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Ozma's Hellish Superior opinions Bravo! Bravo! (stands up to clap thunderously) Thanks for the creation of this alternate Ureil. She will definitely become apart of our game. Even if she didn't, the whole 'series' was just very well done. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... - --- Prodigal wrote: > But take a look at > http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/elements/carbon.html > anyway. Heh. I remember reading the original short story when it was published in Omni. Before reading this version, I wouldn't have believe that it could be In-nominated so well. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:08:52 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... I will fear for the future. :;:) ????? I LOVED it! It was so IN Space/SF! Thank you for posting this. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 03:12:23 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: RE: IN> Disadvantage: Allergic > --- Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > > Disadvantage: Allergic > > Protection from possession is hardly a Disadvantage. I'd > either make this an Advantage or link it to the Celestial > as a Discord. > Yeah, I thought about that... I listed it as a disadvantage because it (a) affects willing hosts, not just unwilling hosts. This means that the host does not have access to the advantages of being possessed by a celestial (whatever those are, I would imagine they would be along the lines of increased strength, body hits, etc. etc.) and (b) it incapacitates the human for the period of time that he's possessed. Also, I don't know if there are "advantages" for mortals. Granted, "toughness" is an advantage, but it's not listed as such. (I realize that the GURPS system probably addresses this, but I'm not a GURPS player and I don't really know the system.) Linking it to the Celestial as a Discord...hmmm. That sounds doable, even interesting. Um...quick question. Are there advantages in In Nomine? (Not G:IN. Just IN.) And if so, how much do they cost? Level cost? (No CPG here, sorry...it didn't make it to these shores.) Thanks, ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:36:10 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: IN> Neanderphilim in Daily Illuminator Today's DI (at www.sjgames.com) has a link to a fun little piece about Neanderthals actually being the biblical Nephilim. Weirdness abounds at: http://www.ftech.net/~bric/rp.no38.html Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:40:57 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> Game Line On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 04:41:01PM +0100, Omentide wrote: > [someone snipped an attribution, but I think the speaker is Perry > Lloyd. I apologize if I guess/remember wrong here.] > > > > Um, the statistical spread sucks ass, and isn't worth the time of > > day, SFAIC. From merely a mathematical perspective, the die > > system is too grainy for the way the points are spent in character > > creation. The difference in the % chance of success betwen a > > Target Number of 5 (27%) and 6 (42%) is HUGE . . . isn't that an > > issue for you guys ? > > I really do not think this is a big issue. It represents a learning curve > where 6-8 is a sort of common average level of ability. No celestial is > ever going to start with all skills at this level. There still has to be > some decisions made about what skils the celestial will take. It's be a problem for me if I really cared. In the one IN game I ran, dice rolls were pretty infrequent -- the Shedite PC used its Resonance quite a bit, but that was about all. The IN dice system is simple and gimmicky, and I like gimmicky dice systems when fairness and realism aren't my top priorities (so of course, I'm really interested in FVLMINATA). If I wanted a good dice system for IN, I'd use Fudge. There are at least two Fudge IN conversions out there ( and , which use fairly different approaches), and I'm working on a Fudge All Flesh Must Be Eaten conversion that I plan on using with an IN-based Deadworld if I ever find time and players. The Fudge mechanic cures the 'high stats make you an expert at everything' problem that IN has (though not as bad as GURPS), and it gives you more reliable quality of results than IN's check digit system. The main thing you lose is the fun of Interventions; it's just not as cool to have an intervention on a -4 as it is to have an intervention on a 666. > The problem is that it is hard to get a human to be competent in virtually > anything without breaking the rules as they stand. You probably know this already, but there are quite a few suggestions about this in the CPG. If the PCs are all Celestials, the easiest solution is just not to make mortals roll for anything unless they're in contest with a Celestial or major human NPC. - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:29:12 -0400 From: "T Howell" Subject: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2385 Maybe instead of a metaplot, someone could write a campaign book = detailing an extended series of adventures. The effects of the game on = the world would depend on the actions of the PCs. I know Call of Chthulu can get away with writing huge pre-packaged = adventures. I'd know I'd buy a big fat In Nomine adventure book. Brian - ----- I second this. Especially if you make the adventure like the one in the GM's Screen, which is by far the best adventure in all of In Nomine! TJ Howell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:29:14 -0400 From: "T Howell" Subject: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2385 From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > 1: what frequency of 'tie current events into IN' do you want? I don't think a weekly or even monthly would be very useful. If I'm lucky, I play In Nomine once a month. More like 8-9 times a year, overall. > 2: how much do you want to pay for these bulletins? A campaign book that advanced some sort of metaplot, probably $20-30, depending on its size and number of extra goodies. > 3: what format are you interested in seeing these in? (E.g., PDF, 32-pager, > 128 page book, HTML-only, photocopied sheet run off in the office.) Any current events material I think is best restricted to the web, Traveller News Service style. TJ Howell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:42:03 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: IN> GURPS IN AID Could someone with greater Gurps experience than I (a year and counting) please contact me off list? I need some help bozo checking some conversions. - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:41:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re:Songs At 11:53 AM +1100 9/21/01, james walker wrote: >The idea of 6 level/1 Songs is fairly bizarre. 1: first character (you should see my GURPS mages!) 2: Free Lilim. (Assumed that she had paid for them with service, along with her vessels.) 3: _FIRST_ character ever. O:> (It made some rational sense; she wanted to get them, then practice them on her own and thereby gain more use out of them with fewer intervals of having to work for someone. Buy in a couple of lump sums, do the work, have longer to kick around, be free, and practice for the next time a Geas is called in... Hey, she was a newborn Lilim. She didn't know how to design her character optimally... O;> ) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:53:40 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Re:BlackWing Blandine >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:00:03 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Mason Kramer ] (Weird; I don't know why it thinks you're not s u b s c r i b e d. --Beth) >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:56:08 -0400 >Subject: Re: IN> Re:BlackWing Blandine >From: Mason Kramer > >On 9/21/01 1:59 AM, "james walker" wrote: > >>> Malakim (restricted)--Blandine's Malakim are able to spot demonic influence >>> within a dreamscape with a Resonance roll. >> This overlaps with existing Dream attunements - current influence will be >> spotted by the Seraph Attunement; past influence by the Friend of the >> Sleeper Distinction. Given that her current Malakite attunement is a >> combined stealth advantage and the equiv. of Mercurian of The Sword in >> Celestial combat, why not keep it? :-) >> >There's a definite overlap here, but... A Seraph can tell you that there is >outside influence, but not if it's another dreamer, another Celestial, or >even an Ethereal, while a Friend can tell that a Celestial has been mucking >around, but not if it's an angel or demon. When a Malakite detects >influence, he *knows* it's demon hunting time. > >> Interesting write-up. If a human dreams of a Knight in Shining Armour, does >> Blandine consider that to be her rather than Laurence? :-) >> >That's generally thought to be Galahad, the Malakite Master of the Realms of >Night and Angel of Dreams of Knights in Shining Armor, who used to serve >Laurence until he realized he was spending all his time in the Marches and >requested a transfer. His name has caused many a rumor to start about his >actual relationship to Laurence (and to Blandine? Possibly, possibly)... But >there are always rumors, aren't there? > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:03:33 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2385 At 4:29 PM -0400 9/21/01, T Howell wrote: >> 2: how much do you want to pay for these bulletins? > >A campaign book that advanced some sort of metaplot, probably $20-30, >depending on >its size and number of extra goodies. Eeek! More variables. What are "extra goodies"? How much would you pay for a metaplot campaign book _without_ any extra goodies? What page range are you thinking of? 32-pages? 48? 128? 144? (See what a pain marketing research is? O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:19:45 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> ages was Re: In Dark Ages. >So what we don't actually need is In Dark Ages, a world setting, that could >be done as a GURPS book. What we need in In Nomine through the ages, an >examination of the politics, who is in power, the Superiors and their >servants over time, when they fell or were destroyed etc. Their >attunements, rites, and everything else A timeline from creation until >now. That is a big project. A very big project. > >It gets even bigger when you consider that how certain groups or Superiors >act has changed over time. An angel of the Inquisition will be different >now to one from the past and yet it could conceivably be the same angel >with the same word. > >Think about how Gabriel has changed, or Eli before he dropped out. Or >Lilith before she stepped into the ranks of Hell. > >A project of this size could make World of Darkness look small. It's >certainly ambitious. > >Realistic??? Dunno. > Actually its nto all that difficult at all, ive already started it in the semper group i started up a short couple of days ago, its all set in to 11 different ages, which are as follows Age 1: PRE AD (ie BC) Age 2: The times of the Christ Age 3: 00 AD-500AD Age 4: 500AD-1000AD Age 5: 1000AD-1500AD Age 6: 1500AD-1800AD Age 7: Victorian Era Age 8: WW1 Age 9: Gangster America Age 10: WW2 Age 11: From the 40's til present day (which crosses over with the mundi group i also started up) So if folks want to come along and see whayts going on there and add to it then feel free, the group addresses are at the bottem of this post. Toodles Cas *where you come from is gone, where you're going was never there, and where you are aint no good unless you can get away from it* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inmundi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/semperin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Infabula _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:21:46 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Re:Songs > >The idea of 6 level/1 Songs is fairly bizarre. One of my players made it a point to start off with many songs at level 1, because she knew it was easier to get songs at character creation than to go through the process of getting them from her Archangel during play. :-) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Disadvantage: Allergic - --- Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > I listed it as a disadvantage because it (a) affects > willing hosts, not just > unwilling hosts. This means that the host does not have > access to the > advantages of being possessed by a celestial (whatever > those are, I would > imagine they would be along the lines of increased > strength, body hits, etc. > etc.) and (b) it incapacitates the human for the period > of time that he's possessed. Still, I can't help but compare a) being incapacitated with a sneezing fit and b) having a Shedite make me kill my family. Given the choice, it's no contest. Pass the tissues. > Um...quick question. Are there advantages in In Nomine? Yup. Toughness is one (4/level, I think; no CPG with me), but Blessed is better (10 pts., Will is _doubled_ for the purpose of resisting outside influences i.e. demonic Resonances). There are others, but I'd have to have my books handy to tell you about them. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:39:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2385 - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Eeek! More variables. What are "extra goodies"? New Songs, info on dead/missing Superiors, more skills, that sort of thing. > How much would you > pay for a metaplot campaign book _without_ any extra > goodies? I probably wouldn't, but that's just me. > What > page range are you thinking of? 32-pages? 48? 128? 144? 32 sounds reasonable, but 48 is better. Again, that's just me. > (See what a pain marketing research is? O:> ) Mass Comm degree. Believe me, I feel your pain. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I'm almost surprised Moe didn't write this... I'm a bit swamped at the moment. :) - --- Prodigal wrote: > But take a look at > http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/elements/carbon.html > anyway. Cute. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Posting the Iron Rev IV stuff... Hi. My name is Moe, and I'm running around like a chicken with my head cut off. At 1PM tomorrow afternoon, I will be getting off a train in NJ and meeting my folks. Therefore, I can either put up the entries tonight, or else late late Sunday if I'm very, very lucky and ignore such little things as sleep and food. I have chosen the former: thus, I need fresh copies of all entries sent pretty much NOW. There's only five, so a few hours of concentrated effort should allow me to post them onto the site and even have time left over for Tattered HTMLizing.* Don't waste time telling me not to worry about it: I'd rather do it now, anyway. Just send the stuff along. :) Moe "I can't run voting, BTW: I'm a contestant, after all..." Lane *Yup, Jon, you get your help, too. I'll send that as I do it... ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Must not have gone through.... Again, only shorter: Everyone on Eric's Iron Rev IV email me their entries ASAP. If I get them tonight, they can go up on the page tonight. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:36:57 -0400 From: Anthony Damiani Subject: IN> Verbum Dei You know, there really aren't enough active In Nomine PBeMs out there. Though there are the archives and logs of a number of excellent games available, the vast majority of them are dead, having completed their run some time before the turn of the millennium. I'd like to do my humble bit to rectify this imbalance. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~adamiani/main.htm Verbum Dei is intended as a high-mythic campaign, patterned on the model of games like Holy War and focusing largely on celestial/celestial interaction over celestial/mortal interplay. I wanted a setting of significance to the war, suitable for a mid to high politics game, a high tether setting in a mid-tether world-- Rome works perfectly, and is already steeped in both mythic images and In Nomine history. It's a stronghold of immense significance, particularly to the general of the host, while still being heavily contested by the forces of Hell. I would like to formally open chargen and solicit player applications from the nice folks here on the list. I'm accepting both Angelic and Demonic PCs, as my style of PBeM play tends to keep PCs generally separate within a common setting, in order to encourage a speedier post rate. I'm hoping to find about four players interested in such a campaign. It promises to be quite a lot of fun. Thanks, -ALD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:03:47 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Ozma's Ethereal opinions I thought this was worthwhile to add given the matter. The Aesir: While I don't approve of violent pantheons such as this. I must say that they have some rude sense of honor and that if they can be persuaded to learn some table manners then they might just prove to be friends not foes come Raganrok/Armaggedon...presuming it cannot be prevented the more violent aspects of the End of the World. "This young whip snitch of a girl is the force which laid waste to my kingdom? Decimated Jormagurr? If Heaven believes we will fooled by such Lokian trickery they have a nother thing comming."-Odin. The Arthurians- Errr I'll let Laurence handle this one. Say hello to Sir Hokus for me! "The courtly beauty of Princess Ozma is one of most sublime only second to Queen Guinevere. Of course we shall aid most righteous Heaven!"-Lancelot Du Lake The Aztecs: Blech. The rather heineous actions performed by their followers for their amusement may have stemmed from honest religeous feeling but they were quite unnecessary and deterential I think to healthy living. Quezticoatl banned such things and was a winged serpent...perhaps he and I can speak on rebuilding... "Beware! Like the Spainards under the guise of our brother she comes to lay siege in a friendly face! PROTECT US MISTRESS BELETH!"-Tezaticopla Australian: Much the same my opinion has not changed and I offer these spirits the chance to enter my service where they're magical shamans may be used to bring dignity back to their lands people. "It is as most we could have prayed for."-the Rainbow Serpent The Celtic Pantheon: They have much reason to hate me for I even coopted their images but all things are repaid and I have restored Bridget and others of their lost people to life as glorious angels in my service. Let mighty Lugh once again strike at Balor one eye but this time the Formorians go by a new name....demons. "Can it be truly my sister, Maeve, and elsewise? I do not know and it is a foul trick elsewise but I fear no woman and should she turn upon us then oathbreaker she be I will wage war on Heaven and this Malakim for all time! Until then we be friends. *spits in hand*"-Belenus Elvii- Oooooo I love his music. "She's just a hunka hunka burning mama that's what she is."-Black Fat Elvis The Fairy Courts: Ozma remains somewhat divided in opinion of the Fairy Courts and thus her opinions reflect such. (Seelie): The Seelie courts wish to dance, enjoy themselves, compose their music, and live for eternity....they are much more like humans than they admit. Providing them with the weapons, essence, attunements, a cause, and a chance to inspire as well as live life up is no sin certainly and to be encouraged. "We did what we did to survive nothing more. While we loathed our slavery to Beleth and realize we trade on master for another she has emerged changed into our own form I think that the heavens will soon run full with our kind in the best kind of revenge for Tir Na Nog. Reparation"-Lady Titania. (Unseelie): Where once being Unseelie was mere base indulgence and trickery Beleth has turned many into monsters and creatures which prey on the dreams which give them a chance to be elsewise. The tithe has been paid so much that likely few will rejoin but perhaps more can be turned. "Some of my brohers are...intrigued...by her offers but Hell is simply more comfortable to most of our temperment. However the offer of her sanctuary to our Seelie brethren opens the chance for a reknewed war between the courts and a chance for mercanaries to play either side. This is good news for business."-Zackary, Kobold Weaponsmith Japanese pantheon: Oh how the mighty have fallen. Look upon you queen of the Sun to your island and see that Nybbas and his greed has only enslaved you! Your shrines are dessicated and mocked and materialism locks it away! The ideals you stood for and the spirits you served are all but dead and tell me of your Collective's propserity.... "I am shamed Most noble enemy of the dishonor we have brought to our island but to seperate now is to risk total destruction. Perhaps a divine wind is preferrable to life without honor..." The Sun Goddess Lovecraftians: Errrr Actually truth be told I'm pretty much sure that these guys have to be smooshed. I'm going to turn my back for twenty minutes...Laurence, Khalid, Michael, I'm not looking..... follow the yellow brick road...follow the yellow brick road. "Sssssssssssssssssssaaaayyyyyy myyyyyyyy nammmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeee threeeeeeeeee timesssssss." You know who, with an H in his name. NeverNeverland: Frankly I'm leaving this one alone. It's not many times an ethereal boy of say 140 tries to kidnap an Archangel of more than a hundred billion years. I've dealt with pirates before and I'll be sure to know who to call if I ever need to get rid of them though. "Swing! Tinkerbell hates her though." P. Pan. Olympians: Athena and I sat down for some girl talk recently. She's fairly okay with my killing Zeus given that he really wasn't that popular of a guy and accepted my apology (he did eat her mother after all). Persephone was just giddy as a schoolgirl and promised to visit the Emerald City sometime, she's still happy Hades is dead..poor poor girl. I'm going to have to work on Artemis's dislike of men though. "Just what is that...nubile young thing....doing to the women of Olympus? Whatever it is I don't like it....ooo a Balseraph of Nightmares! *twang*" Apollo out on an archery expedition. Voodoo: Ironically I'm actually not that approving of this strange blend of Catholicism and traditional african spiritual beliefs however there's been plenty of stranger traditions in existence and much more fouler...as long as they behave themselves I'll be willing to help. "I trust Uriel as far as I can throw him. Best to play on Heaven's guilt when he gone but now...who knows? Smile, nod, and speak with underlings."-Ghede, God of the dead Wonderland: Ever since I installed Alice as Queen of this realm and removed the awful Queen of hearts and child beating Duchcess to more hospitable climates to ladies of their temperment things have been going great. "Happy to be of service your majesty. Though please keep Toto away from Dinah." Alice. The "New Spirits"- I'm a smash hit at Hogwarts and with those Nice Sailor Scouts really I am though Nybbas has a stronger toehold here than I ever would have imagined. By the way...I'll sum this up nicely...I want the HBO show Oz cancelled "NOW" and maybe a WGN program to replace it...thank you. It's taken me days to get all the Australians, convicts, and Faruza Balk lookalikes out of Ethereal Oz! "She's pretty cool if she wasn't in the movie."-Movie Dorothy Pagan Soldiers: As a former seraph I won't stand idle while something I believe to be a lie is being told but in the Higher Heavens I learned everyone has a reason for why they believe something and occasionally the best way to deal with it is not a flaming sword through the voice box. Sorcerers (Hellish and Ethereal): I have forbidden magic even as I have liscensed it as the sort of people who are attracted to it to steal are very disorderly types with very little sense. Depriving them of their ill gotten powers is usually enough punishment though...it removes what they have striven to do for often decades of their lives with little gain...and is shocking enough that many seek more productive ends. Oh Elllliiii? - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2386 ********************************