in_nomine-digest Thursday, September 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2392 In this digest: Re: IN> Tornados Re: IN> Tornados RE: IN> Tornados RE: IN> Tornados Re: IN> Tornados Re: IN> IN Fic - Final Transmission, Pt. 2 Re: IN> The first day is the hardest - Hardcore, Part 1 Re: IN> IN Fic - Final Transmission, Pt. 2 Re: IN> Tornados Re: IN> Tornados IN> Good Coverage Re: IN> Is it In Anime time yet? Is it, is it, is it? IN> Re: I want to be a Skulker IN> Re: Dueling Laurence IN> Superior vs Superior Re: IN> Superior vs Superior IN> In Nomine Chicago Re: IN> Superior vs Superior Re: IN> Re: Dueling Laurence Re: IN> Ninja Envangelical Squads IN> Needs Re: IN> Needs Re: IN> Superior vs Superior Re: IN> In Nomine Chicago Re: IN> Superior vs Superior IN> Paging Earl Wajenberg Re: IN> In Nomine Chicago IN> Grammar IN> It's your elitist account again :) Re: IN> Grammar Re: IN> Superior vs Superior Re: IN> Grammar Re: IN> In Nomine Chicago Re: IN> Superior vs Superior Re: IN> Grammar Re: IN> Grammar Re: IN> In Nomine Chicago Re: IN> Grammar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:33:35 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Tornados I would like to ask, how many of us are in the DC, Northern VA area? I am in Fairfax. Jeffery > > > PS: Moe isn't the only person who lives in the DC area. *mutter grumble* > > Exactly! And I think Amanda and I live closer to him than you do. >-:-) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:56:03 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Tornados > I would like to ask, how many of us are in the DC, Northern VA area? I am in > Fairfax. No kidding? Half of my group lives in Fairfax City, all but one in the county. We meet on Sundays at the Game Parlor in Chantilly, from 6-10 pm. Come by and visit some time! - -- Casca PS: Moe's a player in my game. Once again, I say 'neener'. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:57:45 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Tornados From: Jeffery Watkins I would like to ask, how many of us are in the DC, Northern VA area? I am in Fairfax. I live over by Ft. Belvoir, and work in DC. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:06:04 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Tornados From: Eric Bertish No kidding? Half of my group lives in Fairfax City, all but one in the county. We meet on Sundays at the Game Parlor in Chantilly, from 6-10 pm. Come by and visit some time! Yeah, I am part of the group that lives in the county. If you come by, you can see what happens when Canon meets the blender that is Eric. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:23:44 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Tornados Eric Bertish wrote: >Jeffery Watkins wrote: >>I would like to ask, how many of us are in the DC, Northern VA >>area? I am in Fairfax. > > No kidding? Half of my group lives in Fairfax City, all but one in the > county. We meet on Sundays at the Game Parlor in Chantilly, from 6-10 pm. > Come by and visit some time! > PS: Moe's a player in my game. Once again, I say 'neener'. ;) Yuh. Moe, Dave Adams and myself are the listees in his game. I'm in Burke[1]. [1] burke ['b&rk] (v.): 1 : to suffocate, 2 : to suppress quietly or indirectly (burke an inquiry), 3 : bypass, avoid (burke an issue) Etymology: [1840] from burke to suffocate, from William Burke (died 1829) Irish criminal executed for smothering victims to sell their bodies for dissection ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> IN Fic - Final Transmission, Pt. 2 Wow. If I had any doubts as to whether IN: Horror could work, this erased them. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:36:23 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The first day is the hardest - Hardcore, Part 1 Very engaging. Will you be using the canon version of Fufur or the list created DP of destruction? I sort of liked the latter version, but it will be great to see how you develope this story with either. You set the stage well. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:56:43 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> IN Fic - Final Transmission, Pt. 2 This was no way to end my lunch hour, but it was FANTASTIC! The mystery you have crafted is wonderful and horrific. Unlike modern horror you didn't even have to resort to gore to get that creeped out of your skin feeling. I do hope there is more. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:01:40 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Tornados See you there on the 30th! That's where I shop and where my roommate and I picked up all of our IN books. Jeffery >From: "Eric Bertish" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Tornados >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:56:03 -0400 > > > > > I would like to ask, how many of us are in the DC, Northern VA area? I >am >in > > Fairfax. > >No kidding? Half of my group lives in Fairfax City, all but one in the >county. We meet on Sundays at the Game Parlor in Chantilly, from 6-10 pm. >Come by and visit some time! > >-- Casca > >PS: Moe's a player in my game. Once again, I say 'neener'. ;) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:02:09 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Tornados PS...Thank you for the invite! Jeffery >From: "Eric Bertish" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Tornados >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:56:03 -0400 > > > > > I would like to ask, how many of us are in the DC, Northern VA area? I >am >in > > Fairfax. > >No kidding? Half of my group lives in Fairfax City, all but one in the >county. We meet on Sundays at the Game Parlor in Chantilly, from 6-10 pm. >Come by and visit some time! > >-- Casca > >PS: Moe's a player in my game. Once again, I say 'neener'. ;) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:43:14 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Good Coverage http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/ has good (fun yet touching) coverage of the Fall in NYC, Sept. 11. Please note the Onion is a humor-orientated liberal publication intended for mature audiences. Their bag is social commentary. Enjoy. (GMs : take notes on the interview in Hell, trust me) Thank you. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "Friends will keep you sane, Love could fill your heart, A lover can warm your bed, But lonely is the soul without a mate. " - --David Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:46:16 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Is it In Anime time yet? Is it, is it, is it? >>> Keep the rulers, though. > Why do I have this image of a Calabite of The War, turned over a nun's knee and being thrashed with a ruler? Just don't try that trick with a Calabite of Lust; they'd probably offer advice over their shoulder... - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:22:23 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: I want to be a Skulker >> Here's the kicker, boss: absolute loyalty! You never have to worry about a >>Skulker defecting, cause they-- I mean we-- can't defect! Heaven won't have >>us! I'd be like one of your own, private squad of Anti-Malakim! The Grigori >>are so evil, they didn't have to rebel against heaven, Heaven kicked out >>every last one of 'em. Now imagine how bad the fallen ones are! Wow! >> Yessir, Skulkers are a vital resource to the cause of Hell-- I betcha we >>can even turn the tide of this whole thing! So boss, can I /please/ be a >>Skulker? Boss? Hey, what's that you're pointing at me? >> Boss? >> >> -ALD Oooooh. Good point. Sadly Song and co. shoot it down, but it's tempting. In fact, even if they do Redeem, they'll be Outcast, so Yo-Yoing is almost guaranteed. Well done. Even if the DP's can't make Skulkers, they can breed them, if they get their hands on one - this has much potential. And all of the Impudite Princes would approve; this DEFINITELY has potential...... James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:29:20 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Dueling Laurence >> Arrgh. This is just not working out. > > How about Gabriel's people? > "OK, look. I'm going to take the gag out of your mouth. If I hear > anything other than your > repentance, I'll just have to keep you there a bit longer. Now remember; > none of that screaming > either." > err..hmmm.. > *Looks at angels of Flowers or Trade for help* I note, with a great deal of concern, that no one is even slightly interested in what this Djinn's arguments were. Maybe, just maybe, if he is serving Hell because he thinks it's the right thing to do, then torturing him until he changes sides is not an improvement? James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:04:52 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Superior vs Superior Hey, when characters (encompassing both NPCs and PCs) invoke more than one superior who oppose one another, how do you handle it ? For instance, the demonic NPCs invokes Haagenti. Our Malakh invokes Michael to save her ass. I felt a moment of severe uncertainty : when to do when two beings of undefined but incredible power come into a situation where conflict could arise . . . Any thoughts/experiences ? - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "A person's character is his destiny." - --fortune cookie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:40:59 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Superior vs Superior From: "Perry Lloyd" > > For instance, the demonic NPCs invokes Haagenti. Our Malakh invokes Michael > to save her ass. In such a case, Haagenti would probably exercise the better part of valor, and . . . talk . . . to its servitor later on. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:27:29 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> In Nomine Chicago Hey, any suggestions for good Tethers in Chicago, IL ? Thanks, - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:56:13 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Superior vs Superior I think that most Superiors would be reluctant to take action against each other. To start brawling would be seen by both sides as escalating the War in a very drastic manner. Of course I have yet to have any of my players call for their Superior in the first place so I am not sure how I'd deal with it yet. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:02:45 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Dueling Laurence >>I note, with a great deal of concern, that no one is even slightly interested in what this Djinn's arguments were. Actually it was quite impressive that the Djinn had the courage to act like that towards Laurence. It's not a lack of interest however; I've seen plenty of threads here wander away on side topics. >>Maybe, just maybe, if he is serving Hell because he thinks it's the right thing to do, then torturing him until he changes sides is not an improvement? I think that's understood. Although you can't blame Heaven for trying. -:-) - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:56:07 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Ninja Envangelical Squads On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Maurice Lane writes: > I know, we'll go use Michael's guys instead... > > "SURE, THEY TOLD YOU THAT CHRIST CLEANSED THE TEMPLE > OF MONEYCHANGERS, BUT DID THEY TELL YOU THAT HE HAD A > SH*TEATING GRIN ON HIS FACE THE ENTIRE TIME? NO! > THEY COMPLETELY NEGLECTED TO MENTION *THAT* LITTLE > DETAIL, THE MILKSOPS..." > > (random automatic weapons fire) > > Arrgh. This is just not working out. I'm having visions of Spider Jerusalem as a CCC member now, for some reason... Hmm. Spider as Cadre member... evil, evil thought. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:53:45 +0300 (EEST) From: Mervi Hamalainen Subject: IN> Needs Hello. I'm starting a demonic campaign. I've got at least two Lilim PCs and possibly a third one, too. I don't have a problem with the Needs of humans (yet!:)), but the demonic Needs are another matter. Could someone who has a Lilim (or two or three) in their campaigns tell me how to get to the demonic mindset enough to think what a demon Needs? I can imagine what a demon wants, but that's not what a Lilim resonate. Also, how well do the Lilim know each other? I realize that it can depend on how old the Lilim in question is, but would they know which Prince their sisters work for or what special skills they have? I would imagine that at least the Free know each other and that other Lilim know which ones are Free. One of the Lilim is a Asmodean. Could the other Lilim know that? How easy is it for Asmodeans to find out about the other PCs past? I've run two angelic campaigns. Both of them had a Domican and I would have allowed the Dominicans relatively easy access to other PCs (and other angels) files. After all, they don't have anything to hide. Mostly. :) Mervi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:43:49 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Needs >From: Mervi Hamalainen >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in-nomine list >Subject: IN> Needs >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:53:45 +0300 (EEST) > >Hello. > >I'm starting a demonic campaign. I've got at least two Lilim PCs and >possibly a >third one, too. I don't have a problem with the Needs of humans (yet!:)), >but >the demonic Needs are another matter. 'Fraid I can't be much help here. I would have advised you not to let PCs play Lilim (my experience with PC lilim in my games has been uniformly bad.) They can probably find out a little about each other from Lilith, for a price. You have to decide how common Lilim are in your game. If they're very rare, then the chance of sisters knowing each other socially is much higher. It's probably up to the Asmodean as to how public she wants to make her allegiance -- some will be very open about it, and I'm sure it's easy enough to pretend to be a Free (not as if Lilith has their hearts to read) if a bound Lilim wants to be secretive about who she really serves. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:45:04 +1200 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: Re: IN> Superior vs Superior In every case I have seen, either being the GM or the player, the commonly viewed "weaker" Superior has fled taking their Servitor with them. However, there was one case where Laurence was summoned to the same location as Baal. This was at the climax of a very long and complicated adventure. Laurence in all his chivalristic glory challenged Baal to a one on one to the loss of the Corporeal vessel. What transpired was a fight that actually couldn't be seen on the Corporeal plane. Both fighters were so fast and in tune with one another that all the servitors saw was Laurence and Baal standing inches away from each other, developing cuts and bruises once in a while.... then Laurence collapses and Baal vanishes. Thats my 2c Alex _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 06:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Chicago - --- Perry Lloyd wrote: > Hey, any suggestions for good Tethers in Chicago, IL ? The site of a Roaring 20's era gangster headquarters would make a great Tether to the War or the Game, while the site of a speakeasy could be a Tether to Gluttony or Drugs. On the angelic side, the building that houses the Johnson publishing empire (the people who gave us Ebony and Jet) might be a Tether to Creation or Stone. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:04:58 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Superior vs Superior Terry Jackson wrote: > Both fighters were so fast and in > tune with one another that all the servitors saw was Laurence and Baal > standing inches away from each other, developing cuts and bruises > once in a while.... then Laurence collapses and Baal vanishes. Neat. So who won? Collapsing doesn't sound good, but if Baal won, why did he vanish? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:14:44 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Paging Earl Wajenberg I sent a message to your home account; did you receive it? If not, I'll resend. Janet Anderson * * * * Beware the anger of a patient bard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:16:08 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Chicago Perry Lloyd wrote: > > Hey, any suggestions for good Tethers in Chicago, IL ? The Sears Tower could be a Tether to Trade or to Stone (since architecture was one of David's contributions to human development). The Prudential Building ("the Pru") could be a Tether to Protection or Trade. McCormick Place could be a Tether to Trade. The Field Museum of Natural History and the Shed Aquarium could be Tethers to Animals. The site where Mrs. O'Leary's cow kicked over the lamp and started the Chicago Fire could be a Tether to Infernal Fire or Dark Humor. (Dunno where it is, though. Or even if it's real, not that this matters a whole lot...) The Chicago Art Museum could be a Tether to Creation or Dreams. The Museum of Science and Industry could be a Tether to either Lightning or Technology. Various gangland sites could be Tethers to Hardcore, Gluttony (which has Alcoholism under it -- bootlegging and speakeasies, you know), or Death. The stockyards could be a Tether to Death -- and if there's such a thing as an anti-Tether, they'd be one for Animals. The site of the first atomic reactor, under the football stadium at Chicago University, if I recall correctly, could be a Tether to Lightning or Technology. Does the fact that Chicago is described as the future stomping grounds of the Lensmen and Buck Rogers get us a Tether for Dsetiny or Dreams? (-: Earl, former Chicagolander ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:21:55 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Grammar Perry Lloyd wrote: > Our Malakh invokes Michael An interesting and possibly more accurate alternative to "Malakite" for the singular of "Malakim." Would you be interested to know that the singulars for "Lilim" and "Shedim" are probably "Leili" and "Shedu"? Earl P.S.: While we're at it, where in, um, Heaven's name does "Mercurian" come from? What's the connection to the planet or the element? (Or the god?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:26:52 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> It's your elitist account again :) I already know your work account won't accept Hotmail. I'll try sending from *my* work account, but *please do not* reply there; use dorigen@hotmail.com. Janet * * * * Beware the anger of a patient bard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:46:41 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> Grammar On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 10:21:55AM -0500, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > P.S.: While we're at it, where in, um, Heaven's name does > "Mercurian" come from? What's the connection to the planet > or the element? (Or the god?) Um, I don't know the exact sources, but I think it's from the Medieval scholastics trying to unite angelology with Ptolmaic astronomy. The earth is surrounded by concentric planetary spheres, on which are fixed the planets, and which are rotated by angelic intelligences. The lowest rank of angels would be the angels of the sphere of Mercury, hence, Mercurians (actually, the lowest sphere should be that of the Moon; maybe Grigori are Lunarians?). I did a quick Google search for this idea, and couldn't really find exactly what I wanted, but here are some of the things I turned up. The Medieval view of the Heavens: http://www.neaccess.net/~jbgenest/mirabilibus/heaven.html Loves of Angels http://www.djmcadam.com/angels.htm Second Knowledge Lecture: Mountain Center Temple (Golden Dawn?): http://members.nbci.com/Golden_Dawn/know2.htm - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:50:51 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: Re: IN> Superior vs Superior >Hey, when characters (encompassing both NPCs and PCs) invoke more than >one >superior who oppose one another, how do you handle it ? Typically, I'd say that the Superiors withdraw their servitors from the area, simply because they don't want an escalation of the War right that very second. I have had two exceptions to this... First time was in one of my In Nomine - Call of Cthulhu crossovers - a Triad of Judgment and a Gamester Probe Team were investigating the same disturbance, and came across the same thing (Hound of Tindalos) at the same time. The Triad hits the speed-dial for the local tether and informs the seneschal that they're very, very dead if they don't get backup, while the Gamesters hole up inside Corporeal and Ethereal Shields and basically do the same thing. Both Dominic and Asmodeus show up at roughly the same time, think 'What are you doing here?' followed quickly by "What in God's Name/the Hell is _that_?" Both sides worked on catching and killing the thing, then basically agreed that neither one was going to mention this if the other didn't. The other time was a group of Destiny servitors who came face to face with Kronos. They managed to actually get Yves's attention - not that it did them any good, because as soon as Yves and Kronos saw each other, all of the Servitors on both sides found themselves in Trauma. An angry God-made-manifest and an angry warped counterpart of God-made- manifest in the same room makes for a very loud and explosive disturbance in the symphony, apparently. Sadly, no one at ground zero survived long enough to see precisely what happened. Just my thoughts. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:41:58 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Grammar > > Our Malakh invokes Michael > > An interesting and possibly more accurate alternative to > "Malakite" for the singular of "Malakim." Would you be interested > to know that the singulars for "Lilim" and "Shedim" are probably > "Leili" and "Shedu"? keen ! are there any actual origins there. why not Shed and Lil ? > Earl > > P.S.: While we're at it, where in, um, Heaven's name does > "Mercurian" come from? What's the connection to the planet > or the element? (Or the god?) Well, *ahem* from astrological point of view : "In astrology, Mercury is the planet of mental activites, communication, and intellectuual energy. It rules over your intelligence, understanding, perception and memory, speaking and writing. . . . When Mercury is prominent in a person's horoscope, that person will likely to be facile in speech; a lively and entertaining storyteller; a cleaver and shrewd barginer. . . . Mercury also rules the voice, and people with strong Mercurary influences are successful at public speaking, singing, and acting" -from The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need looks heavily interpersonal to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:51:50 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Chicago >Hey, any suggestions for good Tethers in Chicago, IL ? >Thanks, >-Perry Laurence or Dominic may have one at Moody Bible Institute downtown Chicago. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:09:07 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> Superior vs Superior On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 02:50:51PM +0000, Michael Cleveland wrote: [Hound of Tindalos] > Both Dominic and Asmodeus show up at roughly the same time, think > 'What are you doing here?' followed quickly by "What in God's > Name/the Hell is _that_?" A very annoyed Ethereal with access to the secret Songs of Time and variants of the Corporeal Songs of Draining and Shields? - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:39:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Grammar Perry Lloyd wrote: > > Would you be interested > > to know that the singulars for "Lilim" and "Shedim" are probably > > "Leili" and "Shedu"? > > keen ! are there any actual origins there. why not Shed and Lil ? To quote my father, because Hebrew singulars and plurals aren't as simple as that. Both those singulars are somewhat conjectural. I guessed "shedu" as the singular of "shedim" when I noticed that the "Dictionary of Angels" included a class of protective spirits called "sedu"/"sedim." I figured the difference between S and SH was so slight, it was very likely that "shedu" was the singular of "shedim." Anyone who knows enough Hebrew can freely contradict me. "Leili" for the singular of "lilim" came from a lot of Web-surfing. Here's what I posted to the list on the subject over a year ago: - ---------- First of all, let me say that I know it's too late; it is already established that, in IN, the singular of "lilim" is "lilim." Sort of like "sheep." But this has always bugged me, because the "-im" ending is the Hebrew PLURAL, for crying in a bucket. Couldn't it have at least been "Lilite," in parallel with "Calabite" and "Shedite"? In any case, I have wondered for a long time what the actual singular form of "lilim" was. I may have found it in the bibliographical notes on a web-site for Lilith, at: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/humm/Topics/Lilith/bib.html#PATAI78 "In his book Biblical Perspectives on Death, Bailey 1979 notes that incubus/succubus spirits could cause disease, kill small children (perhaps an early ref to "crib death"), and have more than just social intercourse with adults. These demons were called lili (female) and lilu (male) [page 10-11, I think]." So: lili and lilu. I suppose that, like ducks and cows, lilim default to feminine, so the singular of "lilim" should be "lili" unless it is known to be in a male vessel. If it weren't already too late. Earl P.S.: My father remarks that it is very unusual for Hebrew nouns to end in vowels, and says they look Akkadian to him, so they may be borrows from that language. That would make sense if, as I have read elsewhere (like at that site above) the figure of Lilith came from Babylonian mythology in the first place. - ---------- Since then, I found something that refined "lili" to "leili" but I can't find the records of it. Regarding Perry and Jason's remarks on the term "Mercurian," they sound quite plausible, it's just that I've never run across the term outside In Nomine and I wonder what Derek's sources were. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:06:13 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Grammar (snip) thanks. :) Neat. I've only had one course of Yiddish, but it was enough to tip me off to some basic stuff. > P.S.: My father remarks that it is very unusual for Hebrew nouns to end > in vowels, and says they look Akkadian to him, so they may be borrows > from that language. That would make sense if, as I have read elsewhere > (like at that site above) the figure of Lilith came from Babylonian > mythology in the first place. neat. > ---------- > > Since then, I found something that refined "lili" to "leili" but I > can't find the records of it. > > Regarding Perry and Jason's remarks on the term "Mercurian," they > sound quite plausible, it's just that I've never run across the > term outside In Nomine and I wonder what Derek's sources were. Um, frankly, I wonder myself what Derek's sources were, like, say regarding the whole Forces and Songs thing. But, that's just me. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd The Supreme Court defines p0rn0graphy as "anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thought." Hmm, sounds like every commercial on television, doesn't it?" --Bill Hicks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:17:40 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Chicago > > Hey, any suggestions for good Tethers in Chicago, IL ? > > The Sears Tower could be a Tether to Trade or to Stone (since > architecture was one of David's contributions to human > development). > > The Prudential Building ("the Pru") could be a Tether to > Protection or Trade. > > McCormick Place could be a Tether to Trade. > > The Field Museum of Natural History and the Shed Aquarium could > be Tethers to Animals. > > The site where Mrs. O'Leary's cow kicked over the lamp and started > the Chicago Fire could be a Tether to Infernal Fire or Dark Humor. > (Dunno where it is, though. Or even if it's real, not that this > matters a whole lot...) > > The Chicago Art Museum could be a Tether to Creation or Dreams. > > The Museum of Science and Industry could be a Tether to either > Lightning or Technology. > > Various gangland sites could be Tethers to Hardcore, Gluttony (which > has Alcoholism under it -- bootlegging and speakeasies, you know), > or Death. > > The stockyards could be a Tether to Death -- and if there's such > a thing as an anti-Tether, they'd be one for Animals. > > The site of the first atomic reactor, under the football stadium > at Chicago University, if I recall correctly, could be a Tether to > Lightning or Technology. > > Does the fact that Chicago is described as the future stomping > grounds of the Lensmen and Buck Rogers get us a Tether for > Dsetiny or Dreams? (-: > > Earl, former Chicagolander Great ! Now if how to incorportate any of these ideas into my current game in Chicago. The tethers we currently have are listed at : http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/tabletop/background.html#local. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd Qu'est qui de vert devient rouge et frappe frénétiquement à la porte ? Un scout dans un four à micro-onde. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:38:07 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Grammar I think the singular of 'Shedim' in Hebrew is almost certainly 'Shed.' jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2392 ********************************