in_nomine-digest Friday, September 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2394 In this digest: Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature Re: IN> Superior vs Superior IN> Re: Breeding Skulkers IN> Re: Demonic Needs IN> Re: Needs Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2393 Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature Re: IN> Superior Soap Opera Re: IN> Re: Demonic Needs Re: IN> Re: Breeding Skulkers Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... IN> Stray thought Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> Stray thought Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> Stray thought Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> Re: Breeding Skulkers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > *I'd* like to free up the name "djinn" for use for a > prominent race > of Ethereals, the Arabic elf-equivalents. ELF equivalents?!? Hardly! The djinn in the 1,001 Nights were at the very least capricious and at worst actively malicious. Which fits with some of the older interpretations of the Fae, true. But the Faerie were traditionally associated with the dead. The djinn were nature spirits until Middle Eastern monotheism came along and declared them demons. (And, by the > way, > "djinn" is a PLURAL. The SINGULAR is "djinni," or, for > the females, "djinna.") "djinniya" for the females, in the sources I've seen. I've never seen a feminine for "ifriti," though. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:19:51 +1200 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: Re: IN> Superior vs Superior > > Both fighters were so fast and in > > tune with one another that all the servitors saw was Laurence and Baal > > standing inches away from each other, developing cuts and bruises > > once in a while.... then Laurence collapses and Baal vanishes. > >Neat. So who won? Collapsing doesn't sound good, but if Baal won, >why did he vanish? Laurence won. He collapsed from exhaustion, Baal sensed that he was going to lose this particular fight and didn't want Laurence having the satisfaction of beating him like a little b****. The reason Laurence won was unlike Baal, Laurence hasn't fought a Superior yet and was wanting to prove a point. Baal thought he could beat the whelp on sheer skill... Laurence just burnt more Essence. Alex _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:07:33 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Breeding Skulkers > At 2:22 PM +1100 9/27/01, james walker wrote: > [...] >>Well done. Even if the DP's can't make Skulkers, they can breed them, if > > Remember -- the Children of the Grigori are _human_, not proto-Grigori. > (Though that was an idea that I was batting around for a while, it > got shot down. Darn. Here, I let it fly free to be used by you twisted > people.) Therefore, the Children of Fallen Grigori would also be > human -- though probably a lot more likely to be Nephalim. Okay, I'll be a little less terse. You have one Skulker. You have many other demons. Using the 'Celestial Reproduction rules', IPG P84-84 (and double check with APGp84-86) you find that if the Skulker donates more Forces to the child demon than the other parent, then the bubba demon's band is automatically Skulker. Replace original Skulkers' donated Forces and repeat; within a few goes the DP should work out how to create Skulkers without going through this rigmarole. See why Andrealphus likes this idea? He gets to use the demons bodies acquire a new Band! James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:02:57 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Demonic Needs > Subject: IN> Needs > > Hello. > > I'm starting a demonic campaign. I've got at least two Lilim PCs and possibly a > third one, too. I don't have a problem with the Needs of humans (yet!:)), but > the demonic Needs are another matter. Could someone who has a Lilim (or two > or three) in their campaigns tell me how to get to the demonic mindset enough to > think what a demon Needs? I can imagine what a demon wants, but that's not what > a Lilim resonate. Well, it is, actually. A demon has a personal Symphony. What it WANTS is more important than anything (or anyone) else. Otherwise every time a Lilim detected a Need on a demon she'd get 'to Redeem'. You're going to have generate a huge number of Needs, unless you assume that demons normally wear sunglasses (which would be reasonable) or assume that the typical Calabite in Hell has the Damaged Senses(Blind) Discord (which probably isn't). Okay, what I've been doing in my Charlie's Lilim campaign: 1)Make sure that each player provides you with a list of 6 Needs, covering the range. In addition to preventing the game from bogging down while players think of Needs when resonated, it has two valuable side effects - firstly you don't need to reveal when a PC has been resonated on by another Lilim and Secondly, you get a feel for what your players consider a fun demon to be like - important when determining the campaign 'feel'. 2) Before a game, make sure that you have rated your plot hooks/warning etc at Geas level. Detecting Needs like "watch the Tempters fry on the automatic defences" or "keep the underground armoury secret" keeps the PC's interested. 3) Make sure you have a selection of Needs at each level which are generic to anyone IN THE REGION. For instance, if they are in Gehenna, everyone will want to "watch that so-and-so drill Sargeant get it in the neck". In addition to being believable, once an enthusiastic Lilim has two (or if you can get away with it, three) geas-hooks with the same general idea she's likely to take penalties to collect more of the same - making your life easier. Don't overdo multiples; you'll risk them not bothering to take the penalty - besides, it'd get boring. 4) Make sure you have a wide selection of stomach turning Needs for Shedim. I typically start with "sauteed live kittens" at /1, and work up to something like "200 school children, tied up and stacked like cordwood, with each layer separated by a layer of dried fruit and nuts and a few barrels of lightly browned sauce to pour over the top" (very useful for Invoking Haagenti). Remember, they're supposed to want to wash their minds out with a flamethrower after resonating on a Shedite. This is also a great way of pointing out the villain, of course! 5) Each level has some standard values which you should consider - /1: does the demon Need essence? /4: does he have any Dissonance? /6: Is anyone trying to kill him? These options are quick and easy. 6) A good habit for Lilim to get into is to take a penalty to detect the Need to hold a Geas over the Lilim. NPC Lilim will do this already, of course. Still just picking up such a Need randomly could be fun. 7) Needs don't have to be practical/cost effective. Lots of demons will have a Need/6 to get a Word, for example. Rites, Attunements, Distinctions, their Superiors' approval; all detectable, all useless. I generally give a useless Need if one of the dice (other than the CD) comes up as a 'one'. > Also, how well do the Lilim know each other? I realize that it can depend on how > old the Lilim in question is, but would they know which Prince their sisters > work for or what special skills they have? I would imagine that at least the > Free know each other and that other Lilim know which ones are Free. How much are they prepared to pay for the info? :-) Lilith is likely to call in Geases to show Newbies the ropes; these mentors could earn Geases by acting as contact points for young Lilim. Lilim with special skills will advertise those skills; experts should be widely known. Ditto Lilim who were in service to a deceased Prince; they have access to unique attunements, and Virtuosos - but remember that they may not TEACH their Songs. > > One of the Lilim is a Asmodean. Could the other Lilim know that? Yes. Every Lilim has a vested interest in rubbing her out; the knowledge of her existence would spread quickly, unless she takes steps to conceal it. What's she prepared to pay to Lilith? Also, remember that another routine use of detecting Needs is looking for "the Need to keep something secret". > How easy is it > for Asmodeans to find out about the other PCs past? They've got three major sources of info: the files, both in Hades and the Archives. Although they'd have pretty much free access, the Game is still played - what will they pay for an underling to do an efficient search, rather than a casual one? The Main trading room in the Guild Hall. A few questions to the demons here would allow you to work out which attunements and Songs they've earned. (Remember, Song earned any other way are illegal! An important point with PC Gamesters). Again - what do they offer in return? These demons are mostly interested in getting Lilim to serve their Prince, so this could be interesting. Records on Earth - for analysing Roles etc; probably give a fair idea of skill levels, but only mundane ones. Probably the easiest to search. Good Luck! James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:57:01 +0300 (EEST) From: Mervi Hamalainen Subject: IN> Re: Needs Quote in_nomine-digest : > > Keep in mind that Needs can take the form of "I need X so that (or lest) > Y". In other words, you could catch a demon of Fate who Needs to have > that document on his boss's desk yesterday so that he doesn't get torn into > his component Forces. Your Lilim could then employ a Balseraph to convince > the boss that it *was* there yesterday (for long enough for the original > demon to get put on Earth duty, anyway). > > Of course, at that point the suitably demonic thing to do is collect the > geas from the now-Earthside demon and then direct his boss to his last > known location. ;) > Thanks! I'd forgotten that! It's seems that I have to start thinking resonating as a whole adventure instead of a good-God-what-I'm-going-to-come-up-with-right- now.:) > > >One of the Lilim is a Asmodean. Could the other Lilim know that? How > >easy is it for Asmodeans to find out about the other PCs past? > > The first is at the character's discretion. On the one hand, it's a > dangerous proposition to tell them - they might decide to kill the > Asmodean (and pin the blame on the passing Shedite) - but it's also possible > to work it into a major power play, with the Gamester quickly exerting the > influence she has with the Game to get the others to obey her. > > As for the second, that's again a GM-discretion case. I'd allow a > Knowledge (The Files or The Archives) check, -1 for every Force that the > target has beyond the searcher's. (In other words, if a 9-Force > Impudite > is looking for information on a 12-Force Calabite, he'd be searching at > - -3.) However, I'd only allow this when they had access to the Files. > > - -EDG More thing to use the CPs on. Wonderful! Mervi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:59:02 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature Eric Bertish wrote: >>>3.) Something to replace the aforementioned Mercurian. >> I'm with you on this one. > Yeah, but I've noticed that for all the agreement, no one (myself included) > has brought forth a suggestion. Homies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:01:39 +0300 (EEST) From: Mervi Hamalainen Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2393 Quote in_nomine-digest : > From: Elizabeth McCoy > At 12:53 PM +0300 9/27/01, Mervi Hamalainen wrote: snip > No, no -- Lilim get "what would get the person feeling that he owed the > giver." So what someone _wants_ can also be used. (If you pick up the > Liber Servitorum, there's an appendix in the back with a lot of > potential > Needs (as well as fates, destinies, and dis/honorable deeds). Don't get > the LS for _just_ that tight-packed paragraph, but if you happen to want > it anyway, there's another use for it.) I have the Liber Servitorum, but I've forgotten that. Thanks! > >Also, how well do the Lilim know each other? > > It's generally worked out that many Lilim have at least _heard_ of one > another -- they network, and a sister might have skills that another > sister could use. At least, that's what I've seen, and there's some of > that going into proto-canon someday. > I do like the network idea and I'd like to use it. > That help? > > - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor > RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > ------------------------------ Yes, thanks. Mervi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:28:38 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Eric Bertish wrote: > As I suggested before, you might want to talk with Robb Kidd > (rkidd@ncmec.org) about helping with the site. He's done some fantastic work > with cascading stylesheets, and maybe if you split the effort between the > two of you the updates would go up that much faster. I don't know about *fantastic* but it's pretty clever, if I say so myself. I've only tinkered a bit with the layout of the main page and a couple of the sections and there are many broken bits, but is anyone interested in seeing this? (And, as a corollary, anyone object to my putting my modified copy of the INC up temporarily for people to Ooo and Aah at my L33T CSS skills? Fnord.) Note: Only browsers that support CSS1 will see the pretty pretties. My tweaks are all Crippled Browser Safe, but will look disturbingly like the World Wide Web circa 1992. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:13:27 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > *I'd* like to free up the name "djinn" for use for a > > prominent race of Ethereals, the Arabic elf-equivalents. > > ELF equivalents?!? Hardly! The djinn in the 1,001 > Nights were at the very least capricious and at worst > actively malicious. Which fits with some of the older > interpretations of the Fae, true. But the Faerie were > traditionally associated with the dead. The djinn were > nature spirits until Middle Eastern monotheism came along > and declared them demons. Some fay origin stories associate them with the dead, but many of them were also regarded as nature spirits. For that matter, medieval Europeans had at least five theories regarding the nature of the fays -- - They are pagan ghosts. - They are a species of rational animal, as are humans, but a different species. - They are fallen angels (demons). - They are minor UNfallen angels. - They are "Outcasts," in IN terms, angels who did not take sides in the Rebellion. All of these theories are touched on in "The Discarded Image," by C. S. Lewis, an introduction to the medieval world-view, which is nowadays used as a text in history of science classes. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:44:55 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature > Some fay origin stories associate them with the dead, but many > of them were also regarded as nature spirits. For that matter, > medieval Europeans had at least five theories regarding the > nature of the fays -- My favorite theory: Eve was washing her children at the riverbank when God came by. Ashamed by the dirtiness of her unwashed children (one assumes this is after the outcasting from Eden), she hides them behind herself. God asks if these are all her children. She says yes. When God leaves, the hidden children are gone and become the progenitors of the fae. It's probably a derivation, or the source derived from, of the belief that unbaptised children become faeries when they die. Note that this theory ties in nicely with fae-as-Ethereals and dead pagans as dreamshades..... - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:43:43 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature > > Yeah, but I've noticed that for all the agreement, no one (myself included) > > has brought forth a suggestion. > > Homies. No, that would only apply to Eli's crew. Oh, wait, I thought you said *hornies*. My bad. - -- Casca No boom today? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > Last I checked, they were of the mischevious/malicious > spirit sort, rather like faeries. Much more powerful than most faeries. And in some tales they even had a direct line to God (Peri = Righteous Djinn, the ones who converted to Islam). > I thought Bands *were* job descriptions, with your > Superior modifying how you performed said function. That's one way to look at it, I suppose. > Yeah, but I've noticed that for all the agreement, no one > (myself included) > has brought forth a suggestion. Just because I can check my e-mail on my lunch hour doesn't mean that I can sneak my copy of Davidson into work. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The singular of Lilim and other nomenclature - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > All of these theories are touched on in "The Discarded > Image," > by C. S. Lewis, an introduction to the medieval > world-view, > which is nowadays used as a text in history of science > classes. Hmmm. Must check out that book -- I'm behind on my Lewis anyway. Thanks for the info! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:24:05 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Superior Soap Opera At 3:33 PM -0400 9/27/01, S.D. wrote: >I've been hearing about the Superior Soap Opera a lot on this ML, and I was >wondering just what *is* it? RP, IN-based fic, what? Also, is there any website >with records and the like (and if so, can someone link me)? Heh. The mailing list clearly needs a FAQ for things like Bronwyn, The Kitten, Tattered, Dark Victory, etc. And the Superior Soap Opera. If anyone wants to collect this answer for said FAQ, feel free. O:> The Superior Soap Opera happened when I (Elizabeth McCoy) and spouse (Walter Milliken) started extrapolating on a potential "future history" for a campaign that was in hiatus due to Life. It... expanded radically. The basic premise includes Self-Redeeming Lilim, Lilith as the "Third Avatar" (from an obscure prophecy in the Library), and a third celestial realm (newly-created, dubbed Shangri-La) wherein a Truce between the angelic and demonic citizens is Geas-enforced. If you don't want to swear to the Rules, then that's fine -- but you don't get to go up there, and you don't get the protections of the Rules, either. It is totally, utterly, and without doubt NOT canon, and unlikely to sneak in more than the occasional bit of characterization. And probably only as an option or rumor, if that. The wild stuff, it is kept to the participants. Occasional references are to be taken in the spirit of Gaming War Stories, as _a_ way of dealing with things, rather than a canonical way. Unless it's a canonical way of dealing with things that got used in the non-canonical game, if you see the distinction. O:> I think I've got some stuff about it, which I should probably put up on a web page somewhere, at some point. O:/ I need to see if I saved those files. Does that help? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:33:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Demonic Needs At 10:02 PM +1100 9/28/01, james walker wrote: [...] >> One of the Lilim is a Asmodean. Could the other Lilim know that? >Yes. Every Lilim has a vested interest in rubbing her out; the knowledge of >her existence would spread quickly, unless she takes steps to conceal it. >What's she prepared to pay to Lilith? Also, remember that another routine >use of detecting Needs is looking for "the Need to keep something secret". This is why you give the Gamester a Djinn backup with orders to protect her? (Depending on if the sisters around think that a Gamester is likely to be helpful ("she'll understand Lilim Things and be easily re-directed at any Shedite in the area") or harmful ("she'll spot that I'm a Lilim and dissonant and she'll run me in!")...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:35:31 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Breeding Skulkers At 9:07 PM +1100 9/28/01, james walker wrote: >You have one Skulker. You have many other demons. Using the 'Celestial >Reproduction rules', IPG P84-84 (and double check with APGp84-86) you find >that if the Skulker donates more Forces to the child demon than the other >parent, then the bubba demon's band is automatically Skulker. Replace Oh, nifty. That's evil. That's really evil. I'm trying to see if there's any legit way to scream foul on that and I don't think so. Evil. O:> Mind, what's to say that the Princes haven't _already_ done this, and they all have a hidden army of Skulkers, er, skulking about... (There, go play with _that_ when the Brightness is way down... O;>) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:39:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... At 10:28 AM -0400 9/28/01, Robb Kidd wrote: >[...] (And, as a corollary, anyone object to my >putting my modified copy of the INC up temporarily for people to Ooo and >Aah at my L33T CSS skills? Fnord.) If EDG doesn't mind, I don't -- though to avoid confusion, if it's linked anywhere, adding a link to the official INC (official unofficial site?) would be A Very Good Thing and Make Me Happy. O:> (Which doesn't mean that I'm going to approve of CSS -- CSS have never done anything but annoy _me_, see... O;> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:13:39 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Stray thought Its all Fallen Seraphs fault... "Dominics Pizza, Judged the Best in All Three Planes" Toodles Cas *where you come from is gone, where you're going was never there, and where you are aint no good unless you can get away from it* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inmundi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/semperin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Infabula _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:48:38 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Veering widely off-topic, it's gone private... Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > (Which doesn't mean that I'm going to approve of CSS -- CSS have never > done anything but annoy _me_, see... O;> ) Because of a "backwards compatibility for my audience" thing or "the browser version I like doesn't support it" thing? Not trying to convert anyone, here. I just find myself torn between keeping things consistent across as many browsers as possible and the -ease- of making attractive pages with CSS. Even just CSS1 which most of the browser versions released in the past year or two support somewhat. And updates! Ohmigod, making additions to a properly CSS styled site is so much simpler than the plodding markups of yester year. .... And getting updates posted seems to be a significant issue with the current INC. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:00:42 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Robb Kidd wrote: > Veering widely off-topic, it's gone private... [sigh] Damnit. It's a bad day for off-list responses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:06:13 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Stray thought >Its all Fallen Seraphs fault... > >"Dominics Pizza, Judged the Best in All Three Planes" But instead of calling for a delivery, it's automatically delivered once a week? :) - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:23:25 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... > > Veering widely off-topic, it's gone private... > > [sigh] Damnit. It's a bad day for off-list responses. It's like an email flu. Pee Kitty starts us off, then I contract it, and I pass it on to you.... Somewhere, a Kobalite is getting its wings. - -- Casca No boom today. Boom *tomorrow*. ALWAYS boom tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Stray thought - --- Mike Bruner wrote: > >"Dominics Pizza, Judged the Best in All Three Planes" > > But instead of calling for a delivery, it's automatically > delivered once a > week? And if it's not there in 30 minutes, you're free! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The next time someones says "Talk is cheap," remind them of how much Oprah Winfrey makes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:30:45 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... At 5:00 PM -0400 9/28/01, Robb Kidd wrote: >Robb Kidd wrote: > >> Veering widely off-topic, it's gone private... > > [sigh] Damnit. It's a bad day for off-list responses. You're telling *me?* I wouldn't have thought so before, but now I'm thinking the Demon of Private E-Mail Sent to Public Forums is Malphasian. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > I wouldn't have thought so before, but now I'm > thinking the Demon of > Private E-Mail Sent to Public Forums is Malphasian. Calabite of Factions sounds about right. Although Impudite has its points. Moe "Guilty himself" Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:30:01 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Breeding Skulkers > >Mind, what's to say that the Princes haven't _already_ done this, and >they all have a hidden army of Skulkers, er, skulking about... > It may just be that none of the fallen Grigori have yet been discovered by Hell. After all, they had been awfully good at hiding on Earth, and there's no special reason to think they'd be in a hurry to swap one set of autocratic masters for another. I think we said that there were a couple in service to Lucifer personally who he'd sought out, and he was keeping them very secret from the other princes of hell. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2394 ********************************