in_nomine-digest Friday, October 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2403 In this digest: IN> Horror Month: The Songs of Blood Re: IN> Baal's Unholy Bullets Re: IN> Horror Month: The Songs of Blood IN> A Vapulan Moment Re: IN> Michael (variant) Re: IN> Michael (variant) RE: IN> Michael (variant) IN> WoD > IN and back again Re: IN> WoD > IN and back again Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2395 Re: IN> WoD > IN and back again Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2395 Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> Horror Month: The Songs of Blood Re: IN> Re: Grigori Punishment Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Re: IN> Larry's Special Swords IN> Nuclear Armegeddon Re: IN> Re: Grigori Punishment Re: IN> Nuclear Armegeddon IN> In WoD: Fairy Folk part 1 Re: IN> Nuclear Armegeddon Re: IN> In WoD: Fairy Folk part 1 Re: IN> Nuclear Armegeddon IN> In WoD: Fairy Folk part 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:01:17 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: IN> Horror Month: The Songs of Blood Hey, My contribution to horror month. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools/ The Songs of Blood The Songs of Blood were developed by some of Beleth's Habbalah, working out of a secret facility in the Marches. When used properly, the Songs create blood: ordinary, Type O+ human blood, although a thorough examination of said blood will show that it came from no living creature. Servitors of Nightmares receive special effects and bonuses with their use of this Song. Corporeal The Corporeal Song of Blood creates blood from nothingness -- not a lot of it, but enough to scribble a few words or to trickle "tears" down a statue's face. The target must be within line of sight of the celestial. The blood lasts for up to ( (performer's skill level + Essence spent) x check digit) minutes, after which it mysteriously vanishes. Not so for Servitors of Nightmares, however, as the blood they generate with this Song clots and remains, leaving everyone puzzled as to the source and nature of the blood. Also, double the time that the blood remains fresh for Beleth's Servitors. Ethereal The Ethereal Song of Blood is far more insidous. The blood is generated in the target's mind, not in physical reality. While the target is under the influence of the Song, everyone he sees will be bathed in blood. Walls will drip, the rug underfoot will squish, and the copper smell of congealing blood will be thick in his nostrils. Everything will be sticky with blood. Celestials so targeted may shake off the song with a successful Perception roll (subtract the performer's skill level from the roll for this purpose). Barring this, the Song lasts for up to ( (performer's skill level + Essence spent) x check digit) minutes -- an eternity for the poor, hapless target. Servitors of Nightmares receive a special bonus: their targets suffer twice as long! The target must be in line of sight for the Song to work, but for Servitors of Beleth, their dreamscapes will work just as well. Celestial The Celestial Song of Blood changes any liquid to blood. Fountains will pour blood, rivers will run red, and that mass wine that the priest is consecrating will cause a stir when he drinks it. The Song may even be performed on already-existing blood (which will change into Type O+, disease-free blood, ready for transfusion, much to the chagrin of its creators). This change is permanent. The amount of liquid that can be changed into blood is equal to ( (performer's skill level + Essence spent) x check digit) liters. Double this amount for Servitors of Nightmares. As with the other versions of this song, the target must be in line of sight to work properly. Bonus: Nightmares Essence requirement: 2 Degree of disturbance: the check digit. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 05:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Baal's Unholy Bullets Now, see, that's why I instigate stuff like this. _Extremely_ nice, Rev. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 05:34:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Horror Month: The Songs of Blood - --- Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > The Songs of Blood These are nice (especially the Ethereal). You might want to change the name, though -- there are already Songs of Blood in canon. In the Liber Canticorum, of course, not the main book. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:23:26 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> A Vapulan Moment The Dilbert cartoon of 10/2/01 strikes me as a perfect little Vapulan moment. Dilbert, in surgical garb, is addressing a hamster-sized creature standing on a table in front of him. The creature looks like a third-grader's attempt to draw a satyr compounded of a horse's posterior and a Martian. Creature: "I'm a clone of your boss?" Dilbert: "The procedure didn't exactly work, so you're not so much a human being as you are a..." Creature: "...god?" Dilbert: "Knick-knack." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:25:38 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Michael (variant) Wow! Great variant. Nice history and insight into how this AA works and what his relations are to everyone else. With his view of psychological warfare, wouldn't he and Blandine have a close working relationship? I like him enough to want to use him probably as the AA of Warfare. That way, keep the current version of Michael and have this one a trusted Servitor whom was made an AA that works with both Michael and Laurence. Do you think that would work? What would be good name for him? Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:54:12 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Michael (variant) >I like him enough to want to use him probably as the AA of Warfare. That >way, keep the current version of Michael and have this one a trusted >Servitor whom was made an AA that works with both Michael and Laurence. Do >you think that would work? What would be good name for him? Well heres a couple of ideas for names i found on a site... Saraqael (Sarakiel) The prince of ministering angels, officiating when these angels convene at judgment councils. Although Saraqael usually appears as a holy angel, he is sometimes mentioned as one who has fallen from grace. He has even been known as the angel of death. Camael (Camiel, Camael) One of the 7 Archangels who attend the throne of God, as stated in Enoch I. He is described as "one of the holy angels whom God has set over those who rise". He is the same angel who, in the apocalypse of Baruch, destroys the army of Sennacherib. Toodles Cas *where you come from is gone, where you're going was never there, and where you are aint no good unless you can get away from it* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inmundi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/semperin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Infabula http://communities.msn.co.uk/ADD http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff6 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:59:22 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Michael (variant) From: Jeffery Watkins I like him enough to want to use him probably as the AA of Warfare. That way, keep the current version of Michael and have this one a trusted Servitor whom was made an AA that works with both Michael and Laurence. Do you think that would work? What would be good name for him? Here are a quick few from Hitchcock's Bible Names Zobah, Zobebah, an army; warring Philip, warlike; a lover of horses Bahurim, choice; warlike; valiant Mnason, a diligent seeker; an exhorter Zenan, coldness; target; weapon Pochereth, cutting of the mouth of warfare Dave "No beer, no cable make Homer something something" "Go Crazy?" "Don't mind if I do" Does Homer Simpson ever make anybody else think of Haagenti? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:04:29 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: IN> WoD > IN and back again Has anybody ever worked out how to convert from a White Wolf System to IN Nomine? I know that I can go from one to GURPS to the other, but the numbers get screwy with that much fudging. If not let me know, and I will figure one out. Dave Slow day at the office... Need something to do in meantime. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:16:54 -0300 (ADT) From: Philip Vincent Barkow Subject: Re: IN> WoD > IN and back again On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Adams, David wrote: > Has anybody ever worked out how to convert from a White Wolf System to IN > Nomine? I know that I can go from one to GURPS to the other, but the > numbers get screwy with that much fudging. If not let me know, and I will > figure one out. Well, I once converted a white wolf character to GURPS using the rules in GURPS: Werewolf: Apocalyspe, and the converted the resulting character to In Nomine using the rules in GURPS: In Nomine. I ended up with a seven force human. Can't say I recommend that method. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 00:24:31 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Nah, it's not entirely off-topic yet -- it's discussing the INC! At 4:48 PM -0400 9/28/01, Robb Kidd wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> (Which doesn't mean that I'm going to approve of CSS -- CSS have never >> done anything but annoy _me_, see... O;> ) > > Because of a "backwards compatibility for my audience" thing or "the >browser version I like doesn't support it" thing? Yes. O:> (I saw when rpg.net had them -- my browser enlarged every paragraph, while other peoples' browsers shrunk them...) It's a nice idea, but until it works reliably for nigh everyone... (Heck, I'd like it if the INC could be navigated via lynx! O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 00:11:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2395 At 7:01 PM -0400 10/1/01, Anthony Damiani wrote: >So Eli still has access to superior level essence income, and hence has >the disposable forces to create new servitors, but the Grigori don't. And even if he's _not_ doing it that way -- his Word is still _Creation._ Word-related abilities and all that. (Is this canon? Nah. Canon hasn't been written for Eli yet. We'll see.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:43:28 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> WoD > IN and back again Philip Vincent Barkow wrote: > Well, I once converted a white wolf character to GURPS using the rules in > GURPS: Werewolf: Apocalyspe, and the converted the resulting character to > In Nomine using the rules in GURPS: In Nomine. I ended up with a seven > force human. Can't say I recommend that method. Babelfish: English -> German -> French -> English "I converted once well a sign of white Wolf in GURPS with the directives into GURPS: Wolf that which: Apocalyspe and converted the resulting sign in in Nominates with the directives in GURPS: In Nominates. I finished in top with a man with seven forces. He cannot say that I recommend this method." Remarkably intact for the B'Fish, but something akin to cross-conversions of gaming system. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:00:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > It's a nice idea, but until it works reliably for nigh everyone... > (Heck, I'd like it if the INC could be navigated via lynx! O:> ) Oh, it can. I use Lynx for 95% of my web browsing, y'see, and have never had a complaint with the INC. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! :: Prayers are like junk mail for Jesus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:51:46 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>>(Which doesn't mean that I'm going to approve of CSS -- CSS have never >>>done anything but annoy _me_, see... O;> ) >Robb Kidd wrote: >> Because of a "backwards compatibility for my audience" thing or "the >>browser version I like doesn't support it" thing? > > Yes. O:> (I saw when rpg.net had them -- my browser enlarged every > paragraph, while other peoples' browsers shrunk them...) Well, it's up at http://www.web-melange.org:81/in-nomine/inc-new/ Only the Roles and Theories section indexes have been styled. This was really just a project for learning CSS. NOTICE: On Netscape 4 browsers, it will look very boring, but ... > It's a nice idea, but until it works reliably for nigh everyone... > (Heck, I'd like it if the INC could be navigated via lynx! O:> ) ... because it's been styled with CSS, it is perfectly readable in Lynx. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:52:52 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2395 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > (Is this canon? Nah. Canon hasn't been written for Eli yet. We'll see.) Well, he's Peace Faction. Eli doesn't do cannons. Er ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:19:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Robb Kidd wrote: > > It's a nice idea, but until it works reliably for nigh everyone... > > (Heck, I'd like it if the INC could be navigated via lynx! O:> ) > > ... because it's been styled with CSS, it is perfectly readable in Lynx. Yeah, it looks fine... except that the style of the Roles section changes completely about 1/3 of the way down (starting at Debutante). Might wanna look into that... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Anything sounds profound if you put it in quotation marks and sign it Anonymous." -- Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:26:13 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Horror Month: The Songs of Blood Great and horrific new Song! A nice contribution to horror month. I can see the Servitors of Beleth using this Song in a game. I am now just waiting for an opportunity to pull this one on the PCs, particularly the Ethereal version. Thank you for posting. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:08:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Grigori Punishment At 2:49 PM +0000 10/4/01, Jo Hart wrote: >>From: "Chris Holland" >>I may have missed part of this post, but from what I gather, the >>Grigori didn't have wings, they there celestial forms were >>giants. Quasi-giants, IIRC. A sense of solidity. Metaphorical giants. >Well sure, that's what G:IN says, but who is to say that they didn't have >wings before they were outcast if it makes a better story? Canon hasn't >commented on it. Jo is quite accurate! GIN only states what their celestial forms _are_, not what they _were_. Feel free to give them wings if you want so you can rip them off for their punishment. Nicely symbolic. (Or break their halos 'cross the knees of their Archangels, or something equally symbolic, painful-sounding, and permanent...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:24:52 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: > Yeah, it looks fine... except that the style of the Roles section changes > completely about 1/3 of the way down (starting at Debutante). Might wanna > look into that... That's when Colonel Mustard, wielding a Pipe caught me in the Study and my markup was interrupted. Fnord. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:04:18 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> The INC - well, since it's out there ... Our spies report that at 12:24 AM 10/4/2001 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: .... >(Heck, I'd like it if the INC could be navigated via lynx! O:> ) AOL! Er, I mean, me too! I use lynx all the time for various silly reasons and I think that all web sites should be legible through lynx...that's purely selfish, of course. As a side note, if an all-text browser cannot express a page properly, the assistive devices for blind people won't do very well with them either. I try to keep that in mind whenever I create web pages. ( Although mine usually start with $query->header; these days. Hehehe.) Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:10:11 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Larry's Special Swords Okay, I know this is late. I liked Larry's swords a lot, but my favorite bit was the phrase "creamy Vapulaness." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:53:06 -0400 From: adamiani@umich.edu Subject: IN> Nuclear Armegeddon After watching Dr. Strangelove, it occurs to me that Saminga wouldn't be terribly displeased if humanity were to be wiped off the face of the earth, and Belial would be just delighted if it could be by fire. While Heaven may be limited by a series of protocols and prophecies, and that pesky 'obedience to The Will Of God' thing with regard to initiating Armageddon, and certain influential parts of Hell might also be opposed (Andrealphas, Nybbas, Malphas, Baal--it's a tactical error-- Lucifer and by extension Asmodeus), it's been shown that even Asmodeus can't keep a tight enough leash to stop each and every demon from redeeming. So what stops a couple of Shedim from posessing the president and declaring world war three? Or, for that matter, from grabbing ahold of a couple of army officers on a nuclear submarine somewhere and turning the keys to launch fiery death down upon millions? Does Heaven have some sort of program in place to prevent this from happening (Zadkiel and Jean would be good candidates here for some sort of Nuclear Watch)? What about the anti-apocalypse (as opposed to anti-war) factions of Hell? -ALD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:58:02 -0600 From: "Chris Holland" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Grigori Punishment >>How about having their wings ripped off, and all being sentenced >>>to walk the Earth without rest or respite, >> >>I may have missed part of this post, but from what I gather, the >>Grigori didn't have wings, they there celestial forms were >>giants. > >Well sure, that's what G:IN says, but who is to say that they didn't have >wings before they were outcast if it makes a better story? Canon hasn't >commented on it. Good point. Makes a certain amount of sense to. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:21:15 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Nuclear Armegeddon >So what stops a >couple of Shedim from posessing the president and declaring world war >three? Or, for that matter, from grabbing ahold of a couple of army >officers on a nuclear submarine somewhere and turning the keys to launch >fiery death down upon millions? Well, a number of things, and one supposes it's a good idea to go over this every now and then. First line of defense: Asmodeus. Keep demons from going Renegade in the first place (and let's not be speciesist here either, Dominic has to keep his eye on Outcasts as well). If they do go Renegade, find them and kill them. Second: The rest of Hell -- and Heaven -- will be trying to keep this kind of thing from happening. Powerful and influential humans doubtless have celestial bodyguards, or perhaps one should say soulguards, trying to prevent attack from the Other Side. Both sides know that if these guards become too obvious, the War will escalate into human knowledge, and neither really wants that, so they stay quiet most of the time. Third: The people themselves. Such persons are likely to be strong-willed and otherwise intelligent. The opinion any of us may have of George. W. Bush notwithstanding, one does not become the head of a global superpower - -- or commander of a nuclear submarine -- without some brains and backbone, and they themself know that they aren't the kind to suddenly start obsessing over nukes. Fourth: The human interlocks. Even if W. were to suddenly start demanding we nuke Afghanistan, Irag, China, and North Korea, there is sufficient support for the continued existence of the human race among the administration officers that he would be swiftly removed from office; the captain of a nuclear submarine cannot launch on his own authority, which would at any rate be stripped from him. > Does Heaven have some sort of program in place to prevent this from >happening (Zadkiel and Jean would be good candidates here for some sort of >Nuclear Watch)? What about the anti-apocalypse (as opposed to anti-war) >factions of Hell? Most certainly -- see above. Plans to protect the influential persons, catch pro-Armageddon Superiors and Renegades and stop them, and otherwise divert attempts at destroying the Earth are about the only thing Heaven and Hell generally agree on. > -ALD William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:27:07 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In WoD: Fairy Folk part 1 In WoD: The Fairy Folk Well let me try and make up for the previous screwup by giving the ACTUAL In WoD: Fairy Folk *TOP SECRET* To: The Most Holy Archangel of Judgement, Lord Dominic From: Your ever loyal Angel of Double Agents, Benedict Re: The Fairy Folk Good evening my most righteous Superior, I am pleased that your recent investigation of my activities has turned up more evidence that I am completely on Heaven's side and believe myself to be. Of course I know it must disturb you to no end that as an Elohim this means I might be leaning dangerously toward my other side but I can assure that my attunements merely allow myself to pass as a demon of similar power and rank. In return I intend to prove my devotion to you by another report to aid in your understanding of the possibly dangerous Hellsworn and Etherealsworn that infect the Earth to this day. Oh thank you also for your mentioning of the matters of Jordi, Novalis, and their relationship to the Garou and my new understanding broadens me by leaps and bounds. As usual the following has been sent a copy to Blandine and Lord Laurence regarding events. History The Fairy Folk's history is a bit shorter than the author entries to my reports as the fact remains they are ethereals dreamed by humanity to provide them with sensual, mental, and cerebral pleasures they lack in their day to day lives. Surprisingly however the majority of Fey actually seem to acknowledge that they are in fact dream-products. The reason for this is not the unsimple reason that unlike the majority of gods they do not have the luxury of thousands of worshipping souls to provide them with essence as they brood on how the Most High screwed them over (forgive me, my informant a pooka's words not my own) Despite having formed into a society containing Eshu (A Nubian myth), Satyrs (Greek), "Nockers" (Kobolds who are an Anti-Semetic Christianized Europe myth), and Trolls (For the most part a Norse myth) the majority of Fey ascribe to a history that bears the stamp of Celtic myth over all others . The Tuatha De Daanan with their founder Dana in a surprising butchery of the classical legend are elevated to godlike entities (which admittadly they included but also many mortals as well in Myth) that include the Greek, Norse, Germanic, Russian, African, yet oddly not Native American or Japanese Gods. This I speculate is the result of the Purity Crusade as Native American ignoring by Heaven and Japanese service to Hell has more or less poisoned their opinions (also possible European centrism by their mortal hosts). This revisionist history however provides the fey with a unified ancestery and a feeling that despite being soulless dream creatures that they somehow are united by a common and glorious heritage. The legends ascribe that while they are dream creatures somehow the Tuatha shaped each kith. For the most part Fairy Legend paints a rather interesting portrait of life among the ethereals before the Purity Crusade as a rather telling if perhaps fictional war is recorded known as the "War of Trees" which describes a massive gathering of Ethereal gods and "lesser beings of the same substance" for war against Ethereal gods and said same "lesser beings of same substance" called the Formorians, the Adhene, and the Thallian. My investigations indicate that apparently Beleth in her early career made a binding pact with exremely powerful ethereals representing base nightmare for the attempted conquest of the Ethereal realms. For this act horrofic experiments were performed on the ethereals they captured which transformed relatively benign dreams into totally evil demonic versions very similar to our Choir/Band corruptions. No doubt Beleth's idea of a good joke Because time functions differently in the Marches the records are sketchy at best but a powerful alliance was formed in 3500 B.C. of the "good ethereals" that lasted til the End of the Trojan war in 1180 B.C. a drop in the hat as we speak of the War but a defining conflict of epic proportions to the early Ethereals. While it is tempting to involve Blandine and her cherubs somewhere in this conflict I have seen no evidence thus far save a few scattered mentionings of "Beast Men" who sound suspicously like Cherubs but could easily be Fuath, Pooka, or Satyrs serving as diplomats between factions . What is curious however is that the armies of these ethereals however were so powerful that the Formorians themselves were not destroyed but instead bound in vast numbers in points all across the Far Marches. After the War of Trees the Tuatha De Daanan parted for parts unknown though legendarily speaking they found themselves to Tir Na Nog, during my encounters I spoke with a "Outcast Tsaydim" (not redundant as term as one may think) whose name I have encypted below ****** who said that for their selfless service the Tuatha De Daanan would be honored above all dream-men and allowed to enter the Higher Heavens. In the interests of scholarship I tried to verify this but shining boats sailing up Jacob's ladder was failing common that year as a theme as Oannes's canal was not yet without much use . Rulership of the majority of fey peoples fell to the local ethereal gods and the "Sidhe" who to this day control the courts of dreams earthly and elsewise. Events function much as the Eternal Sword weekly report until the Purity Crusade combined with Laurence's Inquisition and the millenieum long works of Heaven to remove Ethereal influence (termed the "Sundering" by fey) culminated in the destruction of the majority of the Fair Folk's ability to maintain tethers to the world. This event called the "Shattering" occured the year of the Black Death's height which no doubt added the final edge to the breaking away. The majority of the Fairy Nobility in the Sidhe suceeded in escaping across Fairy trods while a great number were soon left behind to be slaughtered by mortal disbelief, each other, or the Eternal Sword. The survivors on Earth for the most part adopted a disgusting variant on the Song of Possesion called the Changeling way to survive For 600 years these two main groups of fairies lived apart with the slight minority of the fey in general and almost the entirety of the fey dwelling the massive ethereal "paradise/hell"realm Arcadia. "The Intergenum" for the nobility passed with reasonable lack of incident as essence (termed "glamour") is fairly abundant in the Marches in comparison to the mortal world. The "Changelings" however suffered what they incorrectly term a Hell . I must admit I enjoyed my forms during this study and will be in the need of the removal of this dissonance and pennace but suffice to say there is considerable tension between the nobility and commoners with a initial armed conflict that they have recently returned to (with the addition of a succession issue to make the nobility war on itself) that leads me to believe the fey will be unable to deal with a threat to themselves which is a threat to our cause now. Investigating with a team of a Seraph and a Malakim of Dreams (A Triad made gave the impression of fear to keep away inquisitive Dream servitors as well as disinterest from Beleth's forces who prefer to think in a way we harm Blandine's forces than not I've observed) I paid a visit to the prisons of the Formorians and discovered at considerable cost that they are empty. Furthermore massive movements among nightmares are being recorded. Each Formorian is no stronger than an angel and in some cases a mere average demon but the Formorians were massive armies of thousands and their word carries law among nightmare ethereals, with Beleth's help they also are in no want of essence.....they could turn the tide of the War not only in the Marches but in general TO BE CONTINUED IN PART 2 - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:36:52 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Nuclear Armegeddon At 5:21 PM -0400 10/5/01, William J. Keith wrote: >Second: The rest of Hell -- and Heaven -- will be trying to keep this kind >of thing from happening. Powerful and influential humans doubtless have >celestial bodyguards, or perhaps one should say soulguards, trying to >prevent attack from the Other Side. And remember, if you can sneak a Force Catcher or three into someone's shoes or clothing without them noticing... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:57:21 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> In WoD: Fairy Folk part 1 Thank you for continuing the series. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:56:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Nuclear Armegeddon - --- adamiani@umich.edu wrote: > So what stops a > couple of Shedim from posessing the president and > declaring world war > three? Or, for that matter, from grabbing ahold of a > couple of army > officers on a nuclear submarine somewhere and turning the > keys to launch > fiery death down upon millions? It's a bit more complicated than that. For one thing, there's the whole DefCon system -- if anyone, even the President, tries to initiate a launch at anything above DefCon 1, the order is recognized as not being legit. There are a number of things that can cause DefCon to change immediately from 5 to 1, but all of them would take concerted effort to arrange (a nuclear strike would do it). That's a bit more than 2-3 demons could handle alone. Then there's the security in the silos themselves. They can't launch without the codes, which have to be released to them. I forget the exact procedure (my brother, who used to be a Launch Control Officer, explained the non-classified parts to me once), but suffice to say that two guys in a silo can't just launch their birds on a whim. Finally there's the problem of target selection. There are only so many missiles, so you can only hit so many targets. We've all heard the statistic that there's enough nuclear firepower to destroy all life on Earth many times over. That's true -- if that firepower is distributed more-or-less evenly. But all the world's nuclear missiles are aimed at a small number of targets. Changing the targets on a majority of the missiles would take time or a lot of demons working simultaneously -- and how many demons outside of Technology (and maybe the War) know enough computer science, mathematics and geography to be able to plot those firing solutions? All those factors taken together make that particular path to Armageddon a logistical nightmare for Hell. And that's _before_ you factor in angelic interference. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:13:10 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In WoD: Fairy Folk part 2 Physiology Faeries are not unique among the ethereals in that they are merely races of certain types of ethereals which have managed through folklore, mythology, and mortal fascination to survive in fairy large numbers of identical types. It is not however the ethereal faeries still living in the Marches which I ask yourself to concern with Most Holy but the ones which have moved themselves to the Earth in vast ammounts. The "Changeling Way Ritual" is the heart of this matter and divided into two seperate variants which I have managed with the aid of three renegade demons to examine at length with the aid of a fellow Elohim of Jean and a recorder from the Library . The 'Changeling Way' is divided into an attunement and ethereal song and have two radically different effects. The Changeling Way Attunment is I believe the creation of the Ethereal "god" Dadga who bestowed it upon a number of faeries before becomming too weak to empower himself. Apparently during the Intergenum many ethereals were able to pass on the attunement as well by "massive glamour fests" that I think explain part of the hysteria of Witch's sabbats better than demons who enjoyed the pagentry of repressed mortal wishes indulged. The ethereal soul immediately is joined to a newborn child's which merges the two into a distinct entity. From that day on the ethereal spirit will not corode or dry up for lack of glamour (it is fed by the mortal/fey's own belief in itself) but loses most of it's memories in a fog and abilities and must learn them each time it "reincarnates" (the ritual automatically uses itself every time a mortal host dies). This is done primarily among the "commoner" fey with only one noble house having done it. Merging with mortal men if you can believe it Lord is seen as somehow tainting. The Changeling Way "Song" is a much easier ability to use and is fairly simple though graphic. Fairies of the noble houses (and those in their direct service) used this mostly to arrive on the Earth in 1969 from Arcadia and recently did so again in almost equal numbers. The song requires a resisted battle of wills for every force the mortal target has (why babies are routinely chosen) with the song failing if they have not managed to defeat the mortal's will in a number of checks equal to their own forces. If sucessful the mortal's soul is literally ripped from their body and transformed into a dreamshade as the fey takes up permanent residence in the mortal's body. I do not have to tell you what might happen should Hell discover their song. The song still however wipes away most of the faeries memories and songs and requires an "awakening" just like the attunement. Most of the Dreamshades have since been enslaved as fighters against the Formorians it seems in Arcadia. Changeling while in no danger of dying out due to lack of essence thanks to their mortal bodies are still succeptible to "coma" as they recquire still large ammouns of essence and in part the human world is very hostile to them. Acting against one's fairy nature, having one's fairy body defeated in ethereal combat (in the mortal world oddly they can still interact with the parts physically and die but can be "ressurected" with merely another infusion of glamour), and long term relationships with people who don't dream seem to inflict a forgetfulness dischord on them that ultimately results in a coma that in extreme cases lasts until the faerie's next incarnation. Conversly absorbing too much glamour inflicts hallucinations, bezerker, and worse dischords. Truly the ritual makes them beings of two different worlds and many changelings are rightly judged by mortal authorities to be dangerous and/or insane by their fellows Faeries use in the mortal world a series of songs and minor resonances of their forms called "arts" and birthrights which allow them some frequently fascinating abilities. The difficulty is often lowered it seems by their perfoming elaborate spectacle such as harmless card tricks, song, to less harmless magical chants and blood sacrafice which is called "bunks" . These "Arts" are not very powerful offensively speaking usually save when they are very powerful but more related to trickery, illusion, and communion/control of nature for the most part. They have no forms of rites per kith but universal ones called "quests", sleeping in their unstable tethers called "freeholds", musing mortals to create art or find love, and special rites which strip mortals of their dreams and leave them weakened, unable to dream, or even dead. I'm afraid I could not catelog them all but the incidents are in the following work . Freeholds I term unstable because unlike their natural tethers to the Marches Glades they require massive amounts of naturally occuring dream reliquaries (called "dross") to be fed to them and frequently subject to "going out" (the tether disentagrating) when surounded by non-believing mortality. Destroying a fairy permanently is rather difficult as even in the Marches a Changeling killed will simply return to the Earth with the attunement within a few seconds to reincarnate if using the attunement (the song will merely produce the spirit in question which can be dealt with summarily but it does make combat much more lengthy). Cold iron seems to be a very strange allergen of fey using this ritual that seems to be either part of the rite or a dischord universal. Soul-damage is inflicted even when it attacks the vessel. A changeling killed by cold iron simply will not reincarnate though unfortunately no method remains to free a mortal host from their possesion I see though I recommend excorcism experiments and the aquisition of the lost mortal souls for the song. Artifacts are numerous and incredibly varied with the awakening of a fairy alone let alone their still plentiful methods of creating them (and one Noble House, One Race devoted to their proliferation) known to create Ethereal artifacts and sometimes corporeal ones. Most are of a weak quality useful for small purposes and defense but several old and powerful ones are equivalent to Superior level ones (See the Grail and Excalibur which have fallen into their hands as "The Cup of Dreams" and "Caliburn" at numerous points) Hell and Ethereal relations For the most part the fey have very little contact with Hell as they keep to themselves as a society. Indirectly Satyrs and House Fiona (romantic but tireless warrior nobles) promote the Word of Lust rather handidly and a few might find service with Andrephalus. House Dougal (tinkerers suffering deformity despite their beauty like Hephaetus) and Nockers promote more Vapulan ideals than Jeanite in technology. To be around a Pooka is enough I'm fairly sure to give most seraphs an extreme headache and devalue truth to the "innocence" of lies, a few might serve Kobal if given the chance. Investigation however has revealed on the fringes of Kithian (a pseudonym for Changeling) society does reveal that a group of changelings do in fact have frequent contact with Cainites, Belethian Garou, the Restless Dead, and other Hell proned groups in order to increase their temporal and spiritual power. It is likely that this "Shadow Court" is a front for Beleth's operations to corrupt the non-Hell aligned faeries on the Earth and recruit them for her service. Combined with the recent escape of the Formorians this may prove dangerous indeed. Thallian I have mentioned are all sworn to Beleth changeling forgetfulness or not and are nightmares to the core thanks to her works. A similar exodus of more intelligent but still mostly corrupt fairy spirits called the Adhene has also been sighted and encounters between the Eternal Sword and foes have trebled within the past two years Curiously enough it actually appears that a Soldier of the Sword in a young nun may have accidentally recruited allies we don't know about. One House of the Sidhe nobles apparently had an encounter with her and so impressed with her that he attempted to combine Christianity and find "glamour" in religion while devoting himself to protecting mortality. While one might accuse these fey of simply trying to get off a sinking ship this "House Liam" apparently is fairly sincere in it's beliefs. Although not acceptable soldier material they might prove useful. In Conclusion The Cainites, Garou, and Restless Dead may actually pose a less formidable threat in the end than the potential rampaging chaos and destruction that the returning fey might bring in a long period. It is my recommendation that Blandine be contacted along with Jean to develop methodology for removing the Fairy Changeling way attunement and if ways cannot be found to restore the spirits stolen of their bodies a death of cold iron for all Changelings using the song including the majority of the nobility. I know his Virtueousness is worried about the political reprocussions of another Purity Crusade but these murders cannot go unpunished. To that end the Order of the Eternal Sword should I think be increased substantially or at least their mission profile broadened considerably. I suspect Dream servitors too should be "strongly advised" to wielding cold iron as well against these beings, at least in the case of the Thallian whose dangers to the mortal world should not be understated or their savagry. In any case the Kithian, even excluding the mass murder of infants by their leaders, provide less of a threat than the Formorians whose power should not be understated. As distasteful as it may be recruiting allies among the ethereals to marshall them against Beleth's undying extremely powerful army may prove the only way possible to avoid losing a vast portion of humanity's dreamscapes forever to never-ending horror. Logistically speaking though the fey are not united enough to face us as a hole or powerful enough the Formorians at their full strength with their armies and Beleth behind them may in fact prove more potent than Blandine and her forces combined. - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2403 ********************************