in_nomine-digest Monday, October 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2412 In this digest: Re: IN> The Heavenly and Hellish Programming Languages (Fluff) Re: IN> The Heavenly and Hellish Programming Languages (Fluff) Re: IN> Horror: The Hollowers IN> The Commonwealthers will probably find this one funny, in a wildly inaccurate and sad way... Re: IN> The Commonwealthers will probably find this one funny, in a wildly inaccurate and sad way... Re: IN> Abimael Re: IN> Abimael IN> Horror Month - The Vigilantes IN> Horror Month - The Beltane Bruisers Re: IN> Human Words IN> Limbo for beginners IN> Kyriotate Vessels Re: IN> Kyriotate Vessels Re: IN> Horror Month - The Vigilantes Re: IN> The Commonwealthers will probably find this one funny, in a wildly inaccurate and sad way... Re: IN> Kyriotate Vessels Re: IN> The Kolari IN> Horror Month: The Creature Re: IN> [INEWS] Discontinued Re: IN> Attunement question Re: IN> Horror Month: The Creature Re: IN> The Commonwealthers will probably find this one funny, in a wildly inaccur ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:17 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> The Heavenly and Hellish Programming Languages (Fluff) In article <5.1.0.14.0.20011014184806.009d1630@i-manila.com.ph>, darkness@i-manila.com.ph (Manny Nepomuceno) wrote: > The Heavenly and Hellish Programming Languages Chillingly, it will be discovered in due course that both are subsets of Perl 9. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:37:41 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> The Heavenly and Hellish Programming Languages (Fluff) On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 06:55:11PM +0800, Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > XJ49-L is procedurally oriented, which makes it a fine language to use when > one wants to create spaghetti code. As a matter of fact, in addition to > the standard "goto" function, XJ49-L supports the "go", "gothere", > "gottherethenreturn", and "gothereandthere" functions. Presumably it also has the COME FROM statement from INTERCAL (another language favoured by demonic programmers). - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Horror: The Hollowers Ubercool idea, for a horror campaign. I suspect that the Order of the Eternal Sword* would keep this sort of thing down otherwise... Moe *You /do/ know that the Order has a couple of wood-chippers, the blades of which were once held by Laurence himself, right? Or that, for blades once held by Larry, they're really, really dull? Well, you do now. ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:51:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> The Commonwealthers will probably find this one funny, in a wildly inaccurate and sad way... ....but I've on a WWII kick (as a side effect of the upcoming GURPS book of the same name), and this one popped out. I ended up missing my usual Sunday game tonight*: gotta feed the fix somehow. BTW, making this fellow Dark is left as an exercise to the reader: I saw at least two methods of doing so, but I wasn't particularly interested in exploring them. Moe *Dammit. :( Winston Churchill Blessed Soul Without Portfolio Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 3 Agility: 5 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 7 Precision: 9 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 6 Perception: 6 Skills: Artistry (Painting/1, Writing/4), Emote/6, Knowledge (History/6, Politics/6, Politics of the Seraphim Council/6, Research/6, Tactics/4), Languages (English/6, plus a bunch of others), Ranged Weapon/2 (pistol), Savoir-Faire/4 Songs: Harmony (All/4), Tongues (All/2) Winston found death to be much like life, only more so. Indeed, once the initial shock had passed (one never really knows how it's going to turn out in the end, after all), his new existence was quite satisfactory. The Library itself would have been sufficient: the books and research materials available made Heaven a delight - and the librarians were most accommodating when it came to helping him revise his /History of the English - Speaking Peoples/ and /The Second World War/. The updated versions of both are considered to be the current last words in their respective fields. What was even better than the Library, however, was the Seraphim Council. Ransacking the Library was pleasurable. Insinuating the Council was simply fun. It should be remembered that the Seraphim Council is more than Archangels, powerful Seraphim and a handful of ancient Servitors of other Choirs. While the above may the only ones that actually vote on policy, any practical politician can tell you that underneath the surface is where the real work gets done. Every Council member has a staff who provides analysis, research and expert opinions on every topic germane to Heaven: even Superiors can't be everywhere nor do everything at once (if they could, they wouldn't need Servitors). The lower levels of the Council are thus incessantly busy. Winston has set up shop here, and is currently having almost insane amounts of fun. His self-imposed task is to be the entity one goes to when one needs information: it seems that he knows everyone (or at least someone who knows someone who knows someone). The blessed soul will be happy to use whatever trifling influence he might have on your behalf, too. Don't bother asking for slanted materials, however: Blessed Churchill only helps with the acquisition of objective data. If it doesn't fit your prejudices, then change your prejudices. Don't try to get classified information out of him, either: the blessed soul always believed in the cliche about loose lips and sinking ships, and sees no reason to change his opinion now. Most of the not-quite-harried Council staffers accept this with good enough humor: after all, Winston's office often the only place where a Servitor of War can get critical criminal justice statistical analyses from Judgement - or where a Dominican can acquire the latest reports on the fighting in the Balkans. Also, information gathered from him carries no ideological stigma, and neatly avoids awkward questions from higher-ups about fraternizing with political rivals. Well worth the trouble - and, if Winston should ask you later on for a bit of assistance, well ... why not? Quid pro quo was a word in Angelic long before it was a phrase in Latin. By now, Blessed Churchill is a full-blown agent of influence (to use Trade's term): he's a honorary member of most Heavenly organizations that include blessed souls (from the Cadre to the Brotherhood of Historians to the Order of the Sacred Heart), and has personal friends everywhere. His personal suite of offices appeared in the Council Spires roughly three months after he began forging his network of contacts, and he now even has a not-quite-modest staff to help him coordinate his activities. Even Archangels recognize his specialized utility: the Archangel of Animals once called him 'the Spider' (one of the few times Jordi has been complimentary to a human in public), and by now the nickname has stuck. Of course, Winston has an agenda: doesn't everyone? Setting up his web of mutual assistance was enjoyable and engrossing, but now that it mostly operates itself the blessed soul is ready to pursue his real goal. Before you wonder, it's hardly dishonorable, or even particularly secret. Blessed Churchill has had offers from the Archangels of Trade, Destiny, The Sword and Stone to formally join their respective services, but he never felt that he would fully fit in with any of them. Winston would like to work for an Archangel, however: one that deals exclusively with human politics, cultures and civilizations. Unfortunately, that current field is more or less divided among a half-dozen Archangels. There really should be an Archangel of Civics ... but there isn't. So, Winston has decided to make one. He even has a candidate in mind - not that she realizes it yet. The Word inflation from Cities to Civics is logical enough, and David will almost certainly support the addition of another reliable vote on the Council, thus neutralizing the most likely opposition to Blessed Churchill's project. All he has to do is honestly convince enough of the right people, and 'public' opinion will do the rest. Then, Winston can hand over his current activities to his assistants and go work for someone who can get the most efficient use out of his talents. Everybody wins. Well, yes, this sort of project does require high amounts of chutzpah, self-assurance and oratory if one is to have even a faint hope of success. What's your point? ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:41:18 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Commonwealthers will probably find this one funny, in a wildly inaccurate and sad way... From: "Maurice Lane" > > Winston Churchill > Blessed Soul Without Portfolio Seeing Salem pop up was quite a surprise, but a very logical and pleasant one. Nice work! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 02:52:41 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> Abimael At 09:34 AM 10/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >INTERESTING Archangel. Where did he get his ten lieutenants? >Create the between his own elevation and entering Heaven? >Where did Abimael himself come from? I.e., who did he work for >before being elevated? > >Earl Hmmm. I had wanted to put those into the writeup, but I decided that it was better to leave some questions unanswered. But since this isn't canon (and the final answer really does depend on me), here's what I think my answer would be, if I ever decided to give a definitive answer to the question. :) Once there was a Balseraph of Fate. His name wasn't Abimael, but what it was isn't really important to the story. Maybe he was a good Balseraph of Fate, or maybe he was ready to redeem. But one way or another, he came to Kronos's attention. Kronos had an interesting idea right around that time. It involved Balseraphs of Fate...after all, they believed they were angels, and had angelic resonances to boot. Those with the Malakim resonance were especially interesting, seeing as how Malakim were formed as Heaven's response to the Fall. And Superior-level ineffability being what it was, Kronos was fairly sure that the Balakite might be able to pass for a real Malakite. There was, however, a slight problem with making the Balakite into a Superior. Demon Princes and Archangels are both Superiors...but they're not the same kind of Superior, and the light of Heaven is particular about burning only Demon Princes. So Kronos reached deep into a pool of loose Forces and created three more Balseraphs of Fate. This time, each of them were gifted with the Seraphim resonance. Then he did what no one had thought possible: he taught his three new Balseraphs the Trisagion. When Lucifer arrived, they were all ready and waiting. The Balseraph-Malakite stood in the center of a pentagram, pride and disdain written clear on his face. The Balseraph-Seraphim stood to one side, preparing to sing the Trisagion. Kronos reached out and removed the smooth metal links from the Balakite's celestial form, stripping away his Malakite oaths -- the Balakite would have to take new ones, after all. Then the Balseraphs-Seraphim began to sing the Trisagion. At one point during the singing, Lucifer raised the Balakite to Superior level...and vanished. So did the Balseraphs singing the Trisagion...and all that was ever found of them were ashes, scattered around a bloody pentagram. The being at the center of the pentagram was now a Malakite, and an Archangel to boot...but owing allegiance to Hell first, and to Kronos. He swore his new oaths, binding himself -- but he was still a Balseraph at heart, and he made himself believe that God had created him thusly. And he chose a name for himself: Abimael, "a father sent from God", the better to enter Heaven's graces. He bowed once to Kronos and left, appearing at the gates of Heaven. And the rest you know; Abimael was granted only a hundred angels. When the last of the hundred die, Abimael will fight alone, and die alone (although Laurence and Michael will do their best to keep that from happening). Abimael has a simple mission: prove the futility of the angelic struggle. His angels are few, but they represent the finest of Heaven's forces which, ultimately, must be swarmed over by the Hordes of Hell. Kronos is pleased. Let me again point out that that's what I would probably say, if I were asked to definitively write down what I thought of Abimael's origins. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 04:18:49 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> Abimael At 09:34 AM 10/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >INTERESTING Archangel. Where did he get his ten lieutenants? >Create the between his own elevation and entering Heaven? >Where did Abimael himself come from? I.e., who did he work for >before being elevated? > >Earl Hmmm. I had wanted to put those into the writeup, but I decided that it was better to leave some questions unanswered. But since this isn't canon (and the final answer really does depend on me), here's what I think my answer would be, if I ever decided to give a definitive answer to the question. :) Once there was a reliever. His name wasn't Abimael, but what it was isn't important to the story. Maybe he was a reliever of Destiny. Or Dreams. If Yves (or some other Servitor of Destiny) had resonated him, he would have seen that the reliever would have a bright Destiny as an Archangel of God, and that his Fate would have been...to die as a reliever. Then postulate that one day, on regular duty (perhaps on Earth, perhaps in the Marches), he encountered God. He was alone. With God. If Neil Gaiman were writing this, he would probably have met God somewhere strange -- in a cafe in Jamaica, sipping a mai tai while scribbling notes on what to do differently the next time he created a universe. Or maybe not, but that will do for this telling. And God asked him for his thoughts on what he was doing wrong. The reliever didn't know. He talked to God about the things on his mind -- about wanting to fledge Malakite, about the long hours of hard work he did, serving his bright Archangel. He looked up to Laurence, he said, and often when he passed the Groves he would gaze wistfully at the dark angels training themselves to fight demons. He wanted to fight demons too. He was ready, but his Archangel didn't think he was quite ready yet. And then the reliever would probably have talked about some of the troubles in Heaven -- how Michael and Yves didn't get along, and how Dominic had a bad tendency to keep to himself. How their Servitors didn't work together very well, and how great their disdain was for the Archangel of Flowers. And how alarming it was for that young reliever, so like a human child, to see division in Heaven. So God made him a deal. He made the reliever an Archangel, grafting Forces onto him from only He knows where. Maybe some of the Forces were Uriel's, which explains his attitude towards diabolicals. Maybe some of the Forces were God's own...assuming God had Forces, in the first place. And since God had a lot of extra Forces floating around, he made ten other angels as well, and bound them to serve the new Archangel. The old reliever was gone; in his place stood a Malakite Archangel, who took the name Abimael ("a father sent from God"). And the rest you know; Abimael was granted only a hundred angels. When the last of the hundred die, Abimael will fight alone, and die alone (although Laurence and Michael will do their best to keep that from happening). Let me again point out that that's what I would probably say, if I were asked to definitively write down what I thought of Abimael's origins. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:13:26 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Horror Month - The Vigilantes Saminga gets the majority of Fallen Mercurians. Given that they normally Fell through offering violence to humans, this isn't surprising. Nor is it surprising that they remember why they Fell. The Vigilantes are an organisation of Impudites of Death whose goal is to persuade humans to solve their problems violently. As most of them are Fallen Mercurians, they usually have excellent social skills and Roles and can 'make a difference'. A battered wife; a police officer who knows a criminal who will never be committed; the victim of a crime; a jilted lover - any of these people can be targeted by the Vigilantes. Although the Vigilantes can and do take matters into their own hands, after a century of so most of them rely on persuading humans to kill their enemies themselves. After all, if the Vigilante kills a wife basher, there's a better than even chance that she'll just find a new abuser; if she kills him herself, she'll be required by the courts to see a psychiatrist (whether she goes to jail or not) and there is hope that her life will actually improve. Usually, the problems the Vigilante help humans 'solve' are ones that Heaven would want fixed - most Vigilantes are Heaven-born, after all. This tends to complicate matters for the angels sent to oppose them. Even when an angel decides to kill a Vigilante they are often surprised to find that the Vigilante doesn't hold a grudge - and may even criticise the angel for taking so long to attack! Combining Heavenly hatred of evil with Saminga's love of Death, Vigilantes approve of angels who try to kill them - it's what they'd do if they were still angels. They tend to laugh at Redemption attempts - 'where's the point?' they ask. Sure, if they could fledge as, say, a Malakite - then Redemption would be an idea. But to return to being a Mercurian would mean that they'd just be a waste of space - belonging to a choir that was made obsolete by the Fall. To do anything useful, they need to remain Impudites of Death. And you'll try and kill us for that? Good. Killing is the only way to improve the world. Although the Vigilantes will fight angels (especially if the angels are trying to get humans to use non-violent solutions to their problems "you're just encouraging them to weasel out of DOING anything! As long as you dangle false hopes in front of them they'll never take the plunge and SOLVE the problem!) they prefer to kill either humans or enemy demons. They've racked up an incredible total of 'kills' on Lust, and an impressive total against The Game, Factions, Nightmares, The Media and Technology. Any Vigilante targeted by The Game will first attempt to bribe them with information useable against demons of other targeted Words (or by killing a demon who The Gamesters would rather collect from trauma) - if that fails, the Gamesters will 'disappear'. They're careful to make the deal worth the Gamesters while - otherwise The Game is will start avenging their slain members. The favourite targets of the Vigilantes are Lust and Factions. Both Words create the problems which the Vigilantes seek to solve; both are outright enemies of Saminga. Nightmares is targeted when a human is simply to afraid to kill someone, The Media if the Vigilantes aren't impressed with the quality of the publicity they get. Technology tends to be incidental, caused when humans need to get rid of unpleasant technology - whether pollution (noise seems to attract the most ire), suspected surveillance or bad technical support. Before they Fell: Vigilantes tend to have been Friends of Stone, Flowers, Creation, Fire, Animals or Children. Friends of The Sword tend to serve Baal, those of War or Destiny tend to serve Dark Humor - however, the Vigilantes are starting to accept members from Allied Words. Nonetheless, the Heavenly Words have had an impact on the Vigilantes. The organisation is as tight knit as any brotherhood of Stone; cruelty to children or animals will bring the entire organisation down on the offenders head; and a contact point for the Vigilantes will usually be in a funeral parlour filled with flowers. Saminga doesn't seem to have noticed, being more interested in the (commendable) slaughter the group causes. James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:20:13 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Horror Month - The Beltane Bruisers "Get it...roight!" [Thwallop] The Ethereals can't afford to be choosy about how they get their essence: they'll accept the essence of their worshippers no matter how badly perverted their beliefs. Of course, sometimes these beliefs are so perverted that it simply isn't possible to get any essence - and the suppressed rage at the perversions of their legends can finally break through. World-wide, preparations for Samhain are beginning - which is infuriating the Fey and Celtic courts. It is driving them barmy to know that idiots in the southern hemisphere, surrounded by the budding leaves and flowers of Spring, are preparing to celebrate the beginning of Winter. Of course, the Winter King has already moved his attentions to the northern hemisphere, leaving the problem in the hands of the Summer King. The Summer King doesn't have many servants with Vessels; Beleth prefers to deal with Winter. Fortunately, he does have some minions who can operate in the Corporeal. Some of the Knockers have earned Vessels from Nightmares, and he has assigned them the task of 'educating' these idiots: THE BELTANE BRUISERS Minor Ethereal Spirits CORPOREAL FORCES: 3 Strength: 9 Agility: 3 ETHEREAL FORCES : 1 Intelligence:1 Precision:3 CELESTIAL FORCES: 1 Will: 3 Perception:1 Vessel: Human Male/1, Charisma-2. Skills: Dodge/6, Fighting/4, Knowledge(Mining)/4, Running/1. Songs: Nightmares(All/2). Affinity: Stone/3. Discord: Angry/2, Fear (Dripping Water/1, Running Water/4). The Beltane bruisers have a simple task - find people celebrating Samhain in the Southern hemisphere this month and 'correcting' them. Attempting logic is left in the capable hands of mortals; the Bruisers deal with the intractable cases (ie anyone they get their hands on) by beating the stuffing out of them. On the night of Beltane itself, they kidnap the unfortunates, who are taken to a Beltane party, where they are heckled, jeered at and have rotten fruit thrown at them. They are then dumped, usually several hundred miles away with no money and left to walk home (and the nearest telephone is normally 50+ miles away). The Beltane party is normally composed of mortals, but particularly annoying humans have had the dubious honour of entertaining an Ethereal celebration. It's not known how many Beltane Bruisers there are; they normally operate in teams of two. Given the weakness of the Ethereals and the endless supply of mortal idiots, the odds of a human being picked up by them in any given year is quite small. In May, of course, the situation is reversed. The Samhain Slayers have the same goals, but are more direct, preferring to throw their victims into ice cold water and leave them to freeze to death. James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:52:26 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Human Words I'd been planning this guy to be my first contribution to the Inveritas Mailing list, but since the subject has come up: SPAZZ WORDBOUND HUMAN OF SPAZZ CORPOREAL FORCES: 1 Strength: 2 Agility: 2 ETHEREAL FORCES : 1 Intelligence: 1 Precision: 3 CELESTIAL FORCES: 3 Will: 2 Perception: 10 WORD FORCE: 1* Status/1 (Student); Charisma +3 (likeable chump) Skills: Artistry(Song writing/2, Electric Guitar/1), Emote/6, Lying/1. *Servant: His Word Force/7 - an ethereal dream fragment he has created which has 'glued' itself to his Force configuration. It cannot leave his dreamscape - there, it is treated as an Ethereal Force with INT/3, PRE/1, Dodge/3, Knowledge(Spazz's Psychology)/1. Special Rite: Spend essence on a performance of one of his songs. Special Ability: When 'singing' his music he has written, he can use the Emote skill instead of Singing skill. This is in addition to adding the CD of an Emote roll to his Singing roll. Spazz isn't an intellectual, or a jock, or a brilliant conversationalist. He's just - Spazz. Everybody likes him (largely because they can feel superior to him). What he does is enthusiasm. No matter what the task, if Spazz is enthused, everyone else will join in - and have a good time. And what he's most enthusiastic about is music. Spazz is the lead singer of a garage band - sort of. What happens is he finds a gig, and then rings around looking for people who're free to play. Sometimes he forgets, and doesn't organise it until the previous day - or in the morning. It doesn't matter - every wannabe wants to play with Spazz, 'cause he's the king of the wannabes. Spazz can't actually sing; he relies on his Emote skill to entertain people. He's a favourite opening act throughout town; he's fun to listen to/laugh at and he can't upstage the main event - many of whom now insist that he is their opening act in his home town. He'll attempt to copy their songs, which always gets a laugh; just for fun some otherwise serious bands copy his, invariably getting a standing ovation. As far as mundanes are concerned, that's all there is to say. But 'Spazz' means many things now; Spazz himself; his band; and now his 'music' which is becoming a popular part of counter-culture. It's not clear when the proto-ethereal glued itself to him, but he's now either WordBound, or something very similar, and all sides of the War are interested. Lilith wants him dead - ideally Soulkilled. If Celestial work out how to create WordBound humans, her monopoly it threatened. Many DP's agree, feeling that humans shouldn't have the chance to ape Celestials; besides, Lilith might jump ship. The Ethereals are interested, and want to know whether this is a good thing or a bad one. Heaven is in an uproar. Everybody agrees that thwarting Hell is a good idea, and angels have been detailed to do so. But they can't work out what to do about Spazz. Is he a good sign? A way of hurting Hell? Part of God's plan? Or is he a self-employed Pagan Soldier? Maybe one of Kobal's tricks? The orders the angels will be given will depend on their Superior - and are bound to contradict the orders of every other angel. James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:33:31 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Limbo for beginners >>james walker wrote: >> >>> > (Nitpick: why Limbo? Limbo is where the Heartless go...) >>> Or where ANY Celestial can go with a 5 minute preparation time >> >>How does that work? >> >>Earl > > According to G:IN, start in the corporeal realm, spend 5 minutes steeling > yourself, then make a Will roll. > > It then says "his vessel vanishes -- lost forever", so it's unclear if an > angel *without* a Vessel can go there. If they could, it would be a good > place to run for Heartless Kyriotates and Shedim. > > William From Beth: > Going to Limbo deliberately ought to have been lifted directly from > the Limbo stuff in Heaven & Hell, too, so the time and Will roll are > almost certainly the same. Barring Nybassian Balseraphs, of course. The details are on pages 79-80 of H&H. GIN's rules are almost identical, but less detailed, as are the rules in GMGp18. One change the minimum cost of a Vessel in GIN is 5 essence, rather than 1. (I didn't pick this up before, so it's not in the stuff I sent Beth - I'll incorporate this stuff when I finally get my own webpage up and running). Shedim & Kyriotates cannot enter Limbo unless they possess the ability to create a Vessel; the only existing attunements which allow this are Kyriotate of Stone and Kyriotate of War. > - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: >> It then says "his vessel vanishes -- lost forever", so >> it's unclear if an >> angel *without* a Vessel can go there. If they could, it >> would be a good >> place to run for Heartless Kyriotates and Shedim. > Celestials without Vessels cannot enter Limbo GIN p.180 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:04:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Walton > Liber Canticorum mentions a Song (I don't recall which > one) which allows the player to, among other things, remain > in Limbo for extended periods. The text specifically says > that the Game closely monitors demons who know this Song, > especially Shedim. The Song is the Celestial Song of Self, LC p81. No reference to Shedim in the write-up; it does say that Asmodeus wishes that Lilith did not know the Song. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:40:54 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Kyriotate Vessels What do people think should happen to the Vessels created by the Kyriotate attunements of Stone, War and The Sword if the angel Falls? After all, the Vessel still exists. And Shedim can occupy an object which they are Bound to. So could the new demon keep using their old Vessel? James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:49:06 +0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotate Vessels >From: "james walker" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Kyriotate Vessels >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:40:54 +1100 > >What do people think should happen to the Vessels created by the Kyriotate >attunements of Stone, War and The Sword if the angel Falls? > >After all, the Vessel still exists. And Shedim can occupy an object which >they are Bound to. So could the new demon keep using their old Vessel? > >James. As in all cases, the ability to manifest the vessel is inherently given by their choir attunement, and choir attunements are lost once they fall, so I'd say no. although, i might allow a fallen Kyrio of the Sword to keep their vessel if they enter the service of Saminga, as they are effectively possesing a corpse anyway (it would just start to rot. nice and creepy) - -FallenSeraph What? Is Man merely a mistake of God's? Or is God merely a mistake of Man's? http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 05:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Horror Month - The Vigilantes - --- james walker wrote: > Saminga gets the majority of Fallen Mercurians. Debatable, but I see the logic. > Given that they normally > Fell through offering violence to humans, this isn't > surprising. Nor is it > surprising that they remember why they Fell. This I can definitely see happening. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Commonwealthers will probably find this one funny, in a wildly inaccurate and sad way... - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Winston Churchill > Blessed Soul Without Portfolio ROACLMWO! Poor Salem will never know what hit her. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotate Vessels - --- james walker wrote: > What do people think should happen to the Vessels created > by the Kyriotate > attunements of Stone, War and The Sword if the angel > Falls? If the demon doesn't mind his old boss tracking him down by means of that Vessel, why not? After all, the AA who granted the Attunement can probably recognize Vessels created thereby. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:58:04 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Kolari This was quite excellent. I love the potential RP use. A way to bring a certain amount of depth for PCs, or have as the reason a favorite NPC is now questioning their outlook on existence. Well done. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: IN> Horror Month: The Creature This popped into my head during my shower. Sorry if the numbers are off - -- I don't have a book handy to double check them. Apologies if anyone has trod this path before me. Ryan Roth ************************************************************************ The Creature Corporeal Forces: 5 Str: 12 Agi: 8 Ethereal Forces: 5 Int: 11 Pre: 9 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 10* Per: 4 * bought up Skills: Medicine/6, Occult/6, Technology/3 Attunements: Sorcery (with Create Zombi and Create Mummy Rituals) Songs: anything GM's feel plausible; it could have learned just about anything since it's 'creation' Discord: Obsession(need for a Mate)/4 Background: There is, perhaps, no other topic more invoctive of controversy and heated debate among Sorcerors than the tale of a certain young pround Sorceror, known to the world at large as Dr. Victor Von Frankenstein. That wasn't his real name, of course -- after all, Miss Shelly got the story from a friend of a friend of friend of the good Doctor's, and so was bound to get some of the details off. That's part of the trouble, though -- depending on who you ask, you are bound to get a different version of the story. What is known (read: agreed upon by the Sorcerous community with the smallest (read: quite a bit) amount of disagreement) is that the doctor was a young Sorceror himself. A young Sorceror who was very keen on the idea of merging the new Technology that was being developed during his time with stardard Sorcerous rituals. The doctor extremely gifted, and it is said that Vapula himself provided him support, just because he was interested in the outcome of the work. Eventually, the doctor boasted to his colleagues that he had discovered a way of raising the dead -- not as a Zombi or Mummy, but fully _alive_. Alive, aware, and better than ever before. He boasted that he had an experiment underway with 'an excellent specimen' which would prove without any doubt that it was possible. 'Twas the last time he was seen alive. After that, the details get sketchy. Some say the experiment failed in the typical Vapulan style, killing the doctor and the creature. Some say it failed and the doctor was claimed by Vapula for his failure to produce results. Some say it worked. Those who say it did call your attention to reports of a 'strange creature' sighting in the Artic, Alaska, Washington, and lately, Africa. They call your attention to evidence which, to them, indicates that this creature is trying to replicate the doctor's work. Hence the controversy. Because the good doctor's notes were found, you see. And many a Sorceror has spend many a long hour puzzling over them, trying to see if the doctor was on to something. The notes are legendary for being cryptic and obtuse (even by sorcerous standards) and they aren't complete. But there is enough there, just enough, to make one think, maybe...just maybe... So, if it did work, how did it work? What was the missing ingredient, the needed mixtures, the required voltages? If Vapula was involved, why hasn't he tried the experiment again, or told someone about it? And then, of course there is the suggestion that maybe it wasn't the doctor's process at all. Maybe there was something special about the 'specimen' itself which allowed the experiment to succeed. Those that believe this final theory will point out the two facts which are consisent in every version of the Frankenstien story ever told: 1) After recovering from the tramua of being raised, all the creature ever wanted was 'a mate to share the world with' and 2) In every story, in every account, and in his notes, the good doctor always refers to his creation as "Adam".... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:05:00 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> [INEWS] Discontinued Thank you very, very much for the time you had put into the series. I enjoyed it and will miss it. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:20:08 +0100 From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Attunement question In article , Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 8:38 AM -0600 10/12/01, Chris Holland wrote: > >What does the Library Card Attunement do? > Lets you get to stores of knowledge. Whether or not you have the key... Not tripping any alarms associated with said stores of knowledge is of course another matter entirely. You may have the right password for the computer, but your access will be logged... - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Horror Month: The Creature Gaaaaaah! I'm not even going to try to top this! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:45 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> The Commonwealthers will probably find this one funny, in a wildly inaccur In article <20011015015115.73867.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com>, moelane_1999@yahoo.com (Maurice Lane) wrote: > Winston Churchill > Blessed Soul Without Portfolio > Winston would like to work for an Archangel, > however: one that deals exclusively with human > politics, cultures and civilizations ... > So, Winston has decided to make one. That is a truly Churchillian piece of logic. I admire it deeply. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2412 ********************************