in_nomine-digest Wednesday, October 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2414 In this digest: IN> Christopher's revenge Re: IN> Kyriotate Vessels IN> Word-scenarios Re: IN> Word-scenarios Re: IN> Kyriotate Vessels Re: IN> Word-scenarios Re: IN> Christopher's revenge Re: IN> Word-scenarios Re: IN> Christopher's revenge Re: IN> "Curse you..." IN> Steve Jackson Games web page Re: IN> Christopher's revenge Re: IN> "Curse you..." Re: IN> Word-scenarios Re: IN> "Curse you..." IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* Re: IN> Christopher's revenge Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* Re: IN> "Curse you..." Re: IN> "Curse you..." Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* Re: IN> Human Words Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:35:06 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Christopher's revenge Another Alice inspired character, I'm sorry. A special note to Anthony my ST who said that Christopher was the wussiest Archangel. "Alice" Malakim of Children on loan to Gabriel Grand Master of Invisible Friends Cor-5 Str-12 Agi-12 Eth-3 Int-6 Pre-6 Cel-3 Will-6 Per-6 Vessel: Little Girl 2/ (+3 Sex Appeal), "The Horror" 6/ (-3 to Charisma) Skills: Fighting 6/, Dodge 6/, Lying 3/ Seduction 3/, Savoir Faire 3/ Songs: Breath 4/, Fangs 3/, Claws 5/, Feet 2/, Tail 3/, Tongue 2/, Wings 5/, Thunder 6/ Attunements: Cherub of Christopher, Malakim of Christopher, Mercurian of Christopher, Malakim of Gabriel, Elohim of Gabriel, Kyriotate of Gabriel, Luck, Smite, Master of the Clowns Oaths: (I) I will never suffer an evil to live, (II) I will never surrender to Hell, (III) I will treat all children I meet with the respect I would give a fellow angel,(IV) I will care for all children I meet who are needy to the best of my abilities, (V) I will give no more mercy to an abuser of children than the mercy he has given his victems, (VI) I will never ignore abuse where I find it, (VI) I will never love someone I respect until I am sure it is pure Special Rites * Punish an abuser of children (Usable 5 times a day!) Alice is Christopher's closest confident whenever the "Dark Mood" hits the Archangel of Children. Appearing as a little girl with black wings even in Heaven Christopher can usually be seen hand in hand with her whenever the affairs of mortal's horrors on children get to him. Certainly the Earth has greatly improved in it's treatment and honoring of his young but never has Hell grown so open about it's corruption and never has the potential to abuse, debase, and destroy childhood been more great in mass quantities. Alice and those angels that she trains are a rather isolated portion of the service of Christopher and are angels that for whatever are scared forever by the experiences that they have and though they love children no less....there is a hatred inside them that needs to be vented and a fanaticism that what they have seen never be repeated again. Alice is the leader of Christopher's "Militant" Camp which mainly consists of servitors of Stone that went with Christopher to protect those who had not yet grown strong enough to protect themselves, Gabrielite defectors who felt a very strong need to focus on a persecutor of a type of prey instead of a method to do it, and those Angels of Christopher who bear guilt for a child's abuse in their hearts whether through failure or misplaced frustrations. What horror nearly drove Alice insane is not yet known but it caused a bright, shiny, happy reliever on her way to becomming a Mercurian to the path of the Black Wing. Alice is a fairly ruthless Angel and to talk to her is frankly (at least if your an adult) to talk to some of the most fiercly ruthless sounding rhetoric against child-abusers that your ever likely to meet. While she will not disobey Christopher in any points it would suit her fine to see every single abortion clinic burned to the ground with their inhabitants, every single child molester slowly tortured to death in prison, child pornographers fed alive to gigantic shredding fax machines as their deaths are posted across the net, drug pushers fed pounds of their ill gotten gain as their deaths were drawn out, and the abusive cut limb from limb. Christopher however regulates Alice and her militants to hunting down those with demonic ties (usually Nybbas, Beleth, Fleurity, and Andrephalus) to which enthusiastic does not nearly begin to describe her actions. Alice has quite a few ties with the Gabrielites and hopes to form a coalition with them in order to better prosecute Heaven's righteous vengeance against those who abuse children. These ties have more than once come under investigation by Dominic who says "...14 people torn to shreds by an unknown assailent with the words 'Child-rapists die' is not an appropriate reflection of Heavengly values even if the subjects in question had demonic ties'." Worse Alice is not subject to the police laws against entrapment and if she senses the desire to abuse children she is fully willing to encourage it along to herself to bring about their doom. She hopes that their next incarnation has better control over him or herself. Laurence personally has defended Alice and is quite fond of the girl as he views the young Black Wing as the perfect tool to bring about Christopher to his line of thinking.... Unfortunately Laurence does not know exactly how much damage this could do. - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:07:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotate Vessels At 9:05 PM +0000 10/15/01, R L wrote: >Pardon me for being such a newbie, but I was under the impression that >Kyriotate vessels where possessed, not created. Please correct me if I'm >wrong about this... Laurence, David, and Michael all have attunements allowing a Kyriotate to risk only its own neck, and not that of a host's, by having a vessel. Standard vessel, no soul/personalty of its own, vanishable into potentiality when not in use, etc. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Word-scenarios Well, at least /one/ of these is suitable for Horror month. :) Moe "I came up with the other two to get the sour taste out of my mouth" Lane The Game Masters Guide states that "the Word-bound are living embodiments of concepts" (page 21). This seems clear enough. Elsewhere in that worthy tome it is indicated that Words are not static: they may be expanded, contracted or even redefined somewhat. This would indicate, of course, that all Word-bound are at least theoretically capable of someday becoming actual Superiors, on either side. Most would agree that this is clear, as well. What is not entirely clear is the relationship between a Word-bound and the Superior that he serves. There would continue to be one, of course: otherwise, a Word-bound Servitor would not be affected by her Archangel's or Prince's dissonance conditions. The question is, is the connection deeper? Is a Word-bound even more in tune with its Superior's very nature than an ordinary celestial? There is an obvious temptation to answer 'yes' - but what does that mean for a campaign? What are the consequences? Below are several sets of consequences, all of which answer the above questions in the affirmative. There are no doubt other possibilities, but these should at least act as a starting point for further speculations. Bright - "Reach out and touch someone." In this setting, all Word-bound will have an intimate connection with their Superior: close your eyes, and there he or she is. That can be comforting, when you need reassurance. It's also really handy when you need help right now. Any Word-bound in this setting can pretty much ignore the mechanics for Summoning Superiors: your own is no farther away than the inside of your head, and every other one ... well, you can usually get a message relayed. The Celestial Song of Tongues gets somewhat redundant, too. In this setting, links are voluntary on both sides ... but who would want to shut out his or her Superior? Both angels and demons will find this kind of communion to be deeply energizing, refreshing ... and possibly a way to overcome dissonance. The more powerful the Word, the better the connection - but even a celestial with a Trivial Word will walk proud, because he or she has constant reassurance of his or her worth in the scheme of things. There will be very few Outcast/Renegade/Orphaned Word-bounds in this setting: the first two types will be able to keep themselves stabilized, and the third will usually seek out another Superior immediately to regain what they have lost. Word-bound Servitors of Creation will be in hot demand, as both Heaven and Hell will want them to try to persuade Eli to come in out of the cold... Neutral - "He knows when you've been bad or good..." In this setting, Word-bound keep the connections listed above, to a lesser extent (adding Word Forces/2, rounded up, to Invocation rolls and some uses of the Celestial Song of Tongues sounds about right) ... but the link isn't quite voluntary. If your Superior really wants to, he or she can pop in on your head without too much trouble. This isn't necessarily bad, per se - but it can be inconvenient at times. Explaining why you have inappropriate friends can be awkward: justifying a particular course of action while on the fly can be worse. In general, the higher the base chance of Invocation, the more often this comes up (Dominic 'shows up' once a week, just like always: Janus usually doesn't bother at all). In Neutral-Dark settings, there's also a possibility that your Superior may choose to operate your body remotely... Outcast or Renegade Word-bound will not be affected by the above, but it will be easier for their Superiors to stay in some kind of contact with them (the faint echo of the original contact means that one-way messages can be sent). This can range from irritating to terrifying. Orphaned Word-bound will often show a determination to stay Orphaned, the better to keep the voices out of their heads: Word-bound Creationers will adjust to becoming sentient communication links to Eli with varying levels of resignation. And everybody will be watching the Tsayadim and Grigori Word-bound with whatever eyes that they can spare. Dark - "Free Will is irrelevant." In this setting, there are lots less Word-bound than just about everyone thinks: less than a hundred, in fact. What happens to the rest of them? Well, in Heaven's case, the prospective candidate is brought forth to the Seraphim Council chambers, the Light of Heaven shines down ... and then one of the Archangels eats the candidate's soul and takes over the memories and vessel of his or her new 'Word-bound'. You don't want to know what Hell does. Believe me, you don't. In this setting, every single 'Word-bound' out there is actually an animated puppet for a Superior (and, in Hell's case, possibly every Demon Prince is a similar puppet of Lucifer's). Most celestials never realize this: Superior ineffability clouds the issue, and the new puppet is almost indistinguishable from the old celestial anyway. They apparently show the same likes, dislikes and quirks as the original, but it's all a sham: there's an Archangel or Prince peeping from behind those eyes, and they all watch for any indication that any celestial suspects what's actually going on. Those that do go on the short list for Words - or get to join the Seraphim Council and keep their mouths shut. In this setting, the War itself is probably a sham: the thirty or so most powerful Superiors may have agreed among themselves to let their inferiors fight each other while their leaders grow fat on the deepest concepts. New Superiors are carefully regulated, and are either the result of long range plans or drastic setbacks (the rise of Haagenti would be an excellent example of the latter). There are no real Outcast and/or Renegade Word-bound, either: just pieces in another arena. Orphaned Word-bound have real value, as they retain within themselves pieces of old Superiors that someday might be revived and put back into play. The Tsayadim are a special case: Uriel may be bored with the game, but he still logs in and makes a move every now and then. Of course, there are two possible random factors in this game: Eli and Lilith. The former is almost certainly suffering from an imposed exile for a particularly bad move, and may be prepared to scupper his opponents' moves out of sheer spite: the latter may be the only half-tolerable Superior on either side. What Lilith does with her Daughters is roughly similar to the above, but the Lilim retain free will: the Princess of Freedom has never been able to create mobile puppets like the others. She still won't be much of a choice, but there aren't that many other options available to those who Know Too Much... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:01:51 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Word-scenarios From: "Maurice Lane" > > In this setting, the War itself is probably a sham: > the thirty or so most powerful Superiors may have > agreed among themselves to let their inferiors fight > each other while their leaders grow fat on the deepest > concepts. This is beautiful in the sheer scope of its evil, Moe. Having the entirety of the War be nothing more than an elaborate chess game between Yves and Lucifer lends itself to all sorts of scary possibilities. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:21:36 +0000 From: "R L" Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotate Vessels >Laurence, David, and Michael all have attunements allowing a Kyriotate >to risk only its own neck, and not that of a host's, by having a vessel. >Standard vessel, no soul/personalty of its own, vanishable into >potentiality >when not in use, etc. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:38:48 +0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> Word-scenarios >From: Maurice Lane >Dark - "Free Will is irrelevant." and I thought I ran a dark game. consider this pinched as at least a rumor, if not The Way Things Are. couple this with Charles' (IIRC) God Is Hungry idea from a few months back, and you've got a Really Ickky(tm) setting indeed. - -FallenSeraph What? Is Man merely a mistake of God's? Or is God merely a mistake of Man's? http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Christopher's revenge An interesting character -- but the Angel of Quibbling must perform his Rite yet again. Alice has lots of Choir Attunements from both Children and Fire. Problem is, Celestials can't have Choir/Band Attunements from other Words except those that correspond to their own Choir or Band. Thus, a Malakite of Children could have the Mercurian of Children and Malakite of Fire Attunements, but not the Mercurian of Fire Attunement. That's canon, of course; if you're not worried about being canonical, then no problem. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:57:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Word-scenarios I like option "B" the best -- but YMMV. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:45:38 +0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> Christopher's revenge >From: Michael Walton > An interesting character -- but the Angel of Quibbling >must perform his Rite yet again. Alice has lots of Choir >Attunements from both Children and Fire. Problem is, >Celestials can't have Choir/Band Attunements from other >Words except those that correspond to their own Choir or >Band. Thus, a Malakite of Children could have the >Mercurian of Children and Malakite of Fire Attunements, but >not the Mercurian of Fire Attunement. That's canon, of >course; if you're not worried about being canonical, then >no problem. Unless the angel in question had been a Servitor of Fire first, then transferred to serving Children, without having their attunements stripped. For politics, you could say she'd served fire, concentrating on Paedophiles/child molesters etc as her assigned targets, and then when christopher made AA, transferred to his service to better perform her work. (sponsored in the transfer by Laurence, for the reasons stated) But the Corp Forces Vs STR/AGI is off. 5 forces should be 10/10 not 12/12, or give Alice 6 forces. all in all though, a very nice servitor for one of the most frightening Archangels out there. (Think about it. Superior sized Cherub, Attuned through his word to Children everywhere. What happens if you threaten a Cherub's attuned? Ow. Bigtime.) I especially like the hints that she's willing to entrap her victims. Very malakite. (or elohite to be fair) - -FallenSeraph What? Is Man merely a mistake of God's? Or is God merely a mistake of Man's? http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:54:20 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> "Curse you..." Loved it. Maurice Lane wrote: > Snoopae are made, not born: new ones appear when an ethereal > decides to trade a dubious anonymous safety for a line into > human belief and the chance to strafe Servitors of Nightmares. Belief? Snoopy gets a lot of *attention*, but belief? (Can Ethereals garner Essence from attention alone? Seems likely.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:41:56 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Steve Jackson Games web page I am unable to access the Steve Jackson Games web page (or Pyramid). Is this just me, or is there a problem? Janet Anderson (10:50 am Eastern time) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:20:58 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Christopher's revenge Another nice addition to the varied and interesting cast of Heavenly characters for IN. Great job. Alice is the NPC to take a game into different directions, or is good for a one-shot adventure if the game experiences any lulls between adventures. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:21:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "Curse you..." - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Belief? Snoopy gets a lot of *attention*, but belief? > (Can Ethereals garner Essence from attention alone? > Seems likely.) There are two ways to look at it. 1) Ethereals require either active belief, but this isn't necessarily worship; the simple desire that such a thing existed would suffice if enough Mortals shared it. According to this viewpoint, anybody who has worked with children knows that there are dinosaurs galore in the Marches. 2) Ethereals require belief, but not necessarily in themselves. Belief in those things (be they objects or principles) that the Ethereal represents is enough. Going by this, patriotism was enough in and of itself to create Ethereals such as Uncle Sam and John Bull. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:23:47 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Word-scenarios This is perfect. A great way to establish there are other benefits to being Word bouund, particularly in a Bright setting. Yet, if one likes a conspirital setting, the Dark setting this has established also perfect, the Word bound are the ultimate puppets. In that setting, getting Word-bound may even be a punishment. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:46:44 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> "Curse you..." >Belief? Snoopy gets a lot of *attention*, but belief? >(Can Ethereals garner Essence from attention alone? Seems likely.) > >Earl If they can, some pretty horroric ones could come into existence. Think of the creature(s) of the Aliens movies(in light of horror month here). Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:59:12 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* Have you ever wondered how the Sun got up there? Well you should because it was a process that took Lucifer, Gabriel, Uriel, and several other prominent angels quite a few years to get right. The Black Holes, the White Dwarfs, and a few others are the early failures of the endeavor to create a stable place for life. Well finally a young servant of Lucifer named Jean decided that the Sun would better be tested not in full scale models but instead in minature using artifact versions of the work. Jean prepared this models and after about forty tries they finally got the Sun perfect for their works and the artifact suns were stored in Lucifer's cathedral along with the original manuscripts for fire and projectory calculations for Light. Well in what is proving to be quite embarrasing a Elohim of Jean recently decided to jump down to Hell and to make sure to sweeten the deal he broke into Lucifer's cathedral and stole the artifacts after seriously wounding it's sole gaurdian... There's a reason they don't want people poking around that place. Jean is furious as well as everyone else who knows about it and not just because the objects are of great historical and sentimental value (they were the first working models after all) but because the objects are each possesed of basketball sized energy of the Sun which might prove of considerable portent to Belial... especially realized that at least three of the Balls have a built in Supernova feature. The power for regenerating essence and the discovery of how to increase it naturally which if it fell into Vapula's hands may provide a few insights Jean is keen to keep out... and oh yes they're pretty darnit. GET THEM BACK! - -Charlie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:16:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Christopher's revenge At 1:45 PM +0000 10/17/01, Fallen Seraph wrote: >>From: Michael Walton > >> An interesting character -- but the Angel of Quibbling >>must perform his Rite yet again. Alice has lots of Choir >>Attunements from both Children and Fire. Problem is, >>Celestials can't have Choir/Band Attunements from other >>Words except those that correspond to their own Choir or >>Band. Thus, a Malakite of Children could have the >>Mercurian of Children and Malakite of Fire Attunements, but >>not the Mercurian of Fire Attunement. That's canon, of >>course; if you're not worried about being canonical, then >>no problem. > >Unless the angel in question had been a Servitor of Fire first, then >transferred to serving Children, without having their attunements stripped. Still doesn't work, in canon. (If not canon, hey, whatever.) To have a Choir/Band Attunement, your nature must somehow resonate to that attunement. (Servitor Attunements are different, more general.) Some Choir/Band Attunements are restricted to only that Choir or Band, since they depend _so_ heavily on Choir/Band nature. Others can be snuck in the "back door" of the _Superior's Word_, which the Servitor is bound to. So, as above, a Malakite of Children can have any Malakite Choir Attunement, or any (non-restricted) Children Choir Attunement, but not a non-Malakite, non-Children Choir Attunement. There are some exceptions for Word-bound Servitors whose _Word_ is close enough to something to access it, but those are case-by-case. O:> Of course, it's perfectly feasible to ignore this for non-canon, or rule that it's VERY rare (and costs 10 points) because the Superior in question has to turn a Choir/Band Attunement into a Servitor Attunement somehow and imprint it that way. (I'd use the second mode, myself, if I were going to relax the canon limitations in a personal game.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:20:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Charles Phipps wrote: [snip] > Jean is furious as well as everyone else who knows about it and not just > because the objects are of great historical and sentimental value (they were [snip] Jean is furious? I have a hard time picturing that -- oh, wait, you mean he looks exactly the same as always. Gotcha. Ryan Roth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:29:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* At 2:20 PM -0400 10/17/01, Ryan M Roth wrote: >On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Charles Phipps wrote: > >[snip] >> Jean is furious as well as everyone else who knows about it and not just >> because the objects are of great historical and sentimental value (they were > >[snip] > >Jean is furious? I have a hard time picturing that -- oh, wait, you mean >he looks exactly the same as always. Gotcha. Except maybe a little more-so, and people nearby can hear him muttering things like "Errant stupidity," "morons," and "clearance-sale Ethereal Forces" under his breath... But only if it's optimal for the people nearby to hear that. emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch http://brie.bmsc.washington.edu/people/merritt/books/Eye_of_Argon.html "rumoured to contain hoards of plunder, and many young wenches" Mike [falsetto]: "We're tired of these degrading patriachical slurs! From now on we demand to be called 'wynchys.'" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:51:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Jean is furious? I have a hard time picturing that -- oh, wait, > >you mean he looks exactly the same as always. Gotcha. > > Except maybe a little more-so, and people nearby can hear him > muttering things like "Errant stupidity," "morons," and "clearance- > sale Ethereal Forces" under his breath... But only if it's optimal > for the people nearby to hear that. For instance, anybody who should realize that, while anger may not cause an Elohite Archangel to lose its temper, it may well ACCOMPANY an objective decision that disciplinary action is in order... (Reminiscent of a passage in "Witches Abroad" by Terry Pratchett, in which a late fairy-godmother leaves in her last-will-and- testament the remark, "As a fairy godmother, I do not curse, but I *predict* that, unless Jack Underbrush delivers my wand safe and sound to my heir, a wolf will bite him on the leg, which will turn green and oozy and drop off.") Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:59:50 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* >For instance, anybody who should realize that, while anger may not >cause an Elohite Archangel to lose its temper, it may well ACCOMPANY >an objective decision that disciplinary action is in order... > According to, I think, the *Angelic Player's Guide,* when Jean manifests himself in your office/laboratory/place of assignment as a bolt of lightning, it's a sign that he is Not Pleased. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:36:58 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> "Curse you..." > Belief? Snoopy gets a lot of *attention*, but belief? > (Can Ethereals garner Essence from attention alone? Seems likely.) I would posit that this is the difference between a generic Ethereal and an Ethereal god. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:57:28 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> "Curse you..." >From: "Eric Bertish" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> "Curse you..." >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:36:58 -0400 > > > Belief? Snoopy gets a lot of *attention*, but belief? > > (Can Ethereals garner Essence from attention alone? Seems likely.) > >I would posit that this is the difference between a generic Ethereal and an >Ethereal god. > Alternatively, remember that in the Marches, ethereals and celestials can appear as anything they want to. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:32 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* charlemagne1980@hotmail.com (Charles Phipps) wrote: > Have you ever wondered how the Sun got up there? Well you should > because it was a process that took Lucifer, Gabriel, Uriel, and several > other prominent angels quite a few years to get right. The moon, on the other hand, was a bit of a rule-of-thumb job, and is still held up with forty thousand miles of insulating tape and a bent nail. Eli gave the job to his servitor Bert, who was given the word of Bodging shortly afterwards. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:03:29 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Human Words This thread reminds me of something that came up a few years ago in my current campaign. The PCs were talking with a Zen Malakite of Flowers who noted that it's the dream of most humans to be part of something bigger than thenselves, to lose themselves in something large and eternal; this explains why humans flock to organizations, particularly religions. And humans are so unique, so vital, they practically are their own Words -- yet often their fondest wish is to give up than individuality. Celestials, OTOH, are fairly cookie-cutter when compared to humans -- angels of a given choir and Archangel act pretty much like each other. It usually takes hundreds, if not thousands of years of experience for a celestial to become what humans would consider individuated. And the fondest dream of most celestials is to bind themselves to a unique Word, furthey distancing themselves from what they were. So the souls born with identity (Words) seek to give it up, and those who have no identity seek to claim one. Funny, huh? - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:43:31 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> God damn all beta-testing *adventure seed* > >The moon, on the other hand, was a bit of a rule-of-thumb job, and is >still held up with forty thousand miles of insulating tape and a bent >nail. Eli gave the job to his servitor Bert, who was given the word of >Bodging shortly afterwards. To 'Bob', surely :) :) jo (Can he fix it? YES HE CAN!) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2414 ********************************