in_nomine-digest Tuesday, November 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2423 In this digest: Re: IN> Vapulan Time Travel Re: IN> Jeantech Time Travel (or lack thereof) IN> The Bogeyman Re: IN> The Bogeyman Re: IN> The Bogeyman IN> Storm of the Century Re: IN>Question about Revelation Re: IN> The Bogeyman Re: IN> Anti-Christs Re: IN>Question about Revelation IN> Archives Re: IN>Question about Revelation Re: IN>Question about Revelation Re: IN>Question about Revelation Re: IN>Question about Revelation IN> The 666 Club IN> Slew of Questions Re: IN> The 666 Club Re: IN> Slew of Questions Re: IN> The 666 Club IN> Use Question, again (was: Vapulan Time Travel) IN> Re: Notre Dame IN> Re: Cruelty IN> Re: Lilith's looks Re: IN> Re: Cruelty IN> Horror Month: Battle Plan Re: IN> Jeantech Time Travel (or lack thereof) Re: IN> Use Question, again (was: Vapulan Time Travel) Re: IN> Use Question, again (was: Vapulan Time Travel) Re: IN> Use Question, again (was: Vapulan Time Travel) IN> Converting Hardcore to Destruction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:56:14 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Vapulan Time Travel >Would anyone who has this version be willing to do a write-up for the list? >ah hem...Please?> Remember, however, that doing so as a verbatim translation will violate >the copyright of the French game. Whoops! My bad. I withdraw my request. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Jeantech Time Travel (or lack thereof) - --- Michael Cleveland wrote: > There may be a few minor moral issues, but really, the > logic _is_ sound... [gives 6 Essence] That rocked, man. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:52:17 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> The Bogeyman The Bogeyman Superior-level Ethereal in "Service" to Nightmares. Beleth has always had many Nightmarish Ethereals in her service. Even more so since the Purity Crusade, when she offered asylum to ethereals fleeing Uriel, and took the opportunity to "Convert" most of them. But some have been in her service since she Fell. A handful of them were even in the service of Nightmares BEFORE she fell. The Bogeyman is one of the oldest Nightmarish Ethereals currently found in Beleth's service. In fact, it was the very first Ethereal to present itself before Beleth's tower, back when it was originally created sometime after the Fall. It looked her straight in the eyes, then stated "Yes, you ARE the Princess of Nightmares... Consider me your eternal ally, My Lady. Whenever you have need of me or my children, we shall be there," before it retreated back fully into the mists of the mists of the Vale. No one knows what the Bogeyman looks like. Not even Beleth; when it presented itself to her, it showed itself as nothing more then a barely visible, seemingly familiar female silhouette standing beyond the lights, staring at her with warm, bright eyes. A rumor that is states that Beleth, once looking at it, whispered Blandine's name before the Ethereal spoke. But no one who's ever asked for more details has ever lived to repeat what he knows. But the form it used then is nothing but one of it's countless forms. It alters it's appearance and gender to represent any form embodying Humanity's fears; It's the eternal enemy, the mysterious and frightening stranger, the beast that lurks in the dark, the death that awaits for you beyond the safety of the campfire light. The Bogeyman is all those things, and many more. So much so that some of it's forms have become Ethereals in their own right, which it calls it's "Children". His children include such Ethereals as The Horned Man, known these days as the "Goatman", who embodies Man's fear of nature and the wild. Rumors abound that link him as making deals with Jordi. The Hook, an Ethereal Spirit born of Urban Legends, is a more modern child of the Bogeyman, metaphorically embodies fear of sexuality amongst teens and it's consequences, and has spawned some of his own Children: The Psycho Killers of Hollywood. But these Supernatural manifestations are actually exceptional; the Bogeyman prefers working more subtly, praying on Mankind's own fears and hatreds. Paranoia, in perticular, is it's stock and trade, and Xenophobia it's calling card. The Bogeyman does not create fear, unlike the Demons of Nightmares. It simply nutures pre-existing fear, fanning the flames until it becomes hysteria. And even afterwards, rather then stepping back to enjoy the results, it exploits the chaos caused by the fear to further it's cause again, before finally moving elsewhere before the people begin to face their fears, and finds someone else to terrify. So the Bogeyman has survived for centuries, even Millenia. In fact, the Bogeyman has been around as long as Mankind has, always adapting it's form to reflect humanity's fears, before discarding those forms, which become Independant Ethereals in their own right. It appears to need no active worship, as Humanity seems ready to instinctivly feed him all the Essence he needs to survive without the need for active worship. Nearly all the Horror-based Ethereals, from the Trolls and Goblins to Bloody Mary and other Urban Legends, claim ancestry to this most ancient of Horrific Ethereals. Some believe the Greek Echidna, mother of Monsters, is actually yet another spawn of the Bogeyman. And, of course, there are always the rumors... Such as the one that frightens even Servitors of Nightmares; The one that claims that there's a reason Beleth didn't take Fear as her Hellish word. ....Because someTHING else had claimed it before her. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:11:53 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Bogeyman Absolutely awesome! That was worthy of a Superior-level Ethereal. I can't wait to introduce this to the PCs. Bravo sir, bravo! Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:17:48 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> The Bogeyman And perhaps there are those who would say that Fear is a powerful Word for Heaven to leave unmonitored, even from someone that Fell; and so perhaps an angel (an Archangel, surely, so that Beleth would never detect them) would take service to Nightmares in the supposed form of an Ethereal, going about the business of promoting Fear in the instinctual, archetypal role it was meant to play for humanity in the first place. That this "Role" of an Ethereal brings that particular angel into close proximity with Beleth would be considered a severe drawback to the job... .... but only to *most* of the Archangels. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:53:33 +0000 From: "R L" Subject: IN> Storm of the Century Has anyone seen "Storm of the Century" by Stephen King? I have been dreaming of putting my players (as humans) into a plot like this, but I would like to hear a little from you guys before starting to adapt the plot. Ron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:25:07 +0100 From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN>Question about Revelation In article , cassandra benner wrote: > You know, when ever we do write ups for new supperiors, we always seem > to forget litheroy and his counter part (whose name escapes me atm). How apt. It's Alaemon, Prince of Secrets. *I* remember him (bwahahaha) - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Bogeyman OW! Rolland, that was brilliant! I LOVE that last line. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:17:51 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Anti-Christs > But really... I can already see the fraternity parties... > "Hey guys.. see what happened to the loo!!!!" > "Man, do you cure hangovers too??" > And then for the anatomy class... > > Ok, so I'm a sick twisted individual, but I think it would be fun... I had Jesus crash a frat kegger is the second adventure of my game, but it turned out it was really Eli. Who, as my players discovered two years later, is Christ. Funny how that works.... - -- Casca Then he created the Holy Font of Heineken out of the kitchen sink. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN>Question about Revelation On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Where can I find information or a write-up about Litheroy? > > GM pack, in the GM screen. (I would go on, but the sleeping baby > just rolled onto my wrist painfully.) Ouch. Beth, would it be okay to post a very rough outline of Litheroy for those who can't find a copy of the GM Screen? Just basic dissonance and his attunements, raw, with JUST enough info to make a character. Normally I wouldn't even consider such a question, but 'Roy is absolutely the hardest Superior to obtain stats for, IMO. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Though they broke my legs / They gave me a crutch to walk / Laws to guide me / And a crutch to walk. / Amen. -- Chumbawamba, "Today's Sermon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:02:23 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Archives I see that the archives have at last returned. Many thanks to whoever is responsible for that. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:18:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Question about Revelation At 2:17 AM -0400 10/26/01, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> >Where can I find information or a write-up about Litheroy? >> >> GM pack, in the GM screen. (I would go on, but the sleeping baby >> just rolled onto my wrist painfully.) > >Ouch. > >Beth, would it be okay to post a very rough outline of Litheroy for those >who can't find a copy of the GM Screen? Just basic dissonance and his >attunements, raw, with JUST enough info to make a character. Hrm. Run it past me first, okay? I have a responsibility to the IP not to allow stuff that would make a future writeup of 'Roy significantly less valuable to SJGames (which does, yes, conflict with my Lil--er, HELPFUL nature!). A _very_ bare bones description has a chance, though. _Very_ bare bones. >Normally I wouldn't even consider such a question, but 'Roy is absolutely >the hardest Superior to obtain stats for, IMO. True... Another notion I have would be to have something like this on the INC, which would go down when the Superiors book containing Litheroy were published. Kind of mean on the one hand, but... O:/ - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:14:12 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN>Question about Revelation > >Normally I wouldn't even consider such a question, but 'Roy is absolutely> >the hardest Superior to obtain stats for, IMO. Is the GM's Screen out of print? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:37:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Question about Revelation At 11:14 AM -0500 10/26/01, David Edelstein wrote: >> >Normally I wouldn't even consider such a question, but 'Roy is absolutely> >the hardest Superior to obtain stats for, IMO. > >Is the GM's Screen out of print? Yup. That's why my first reply noted that ebay had a copy for sale. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:02:01 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN>Question about Revelation Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >David Edelstein wrote: >>Is the GM's Screen out of print? > > Yup. That's why my first reply noted that ebay had a copy for sale. O:> Makes me glad I did that fanboyish mass purchase of all the available In Nomine material in the Summer of '98. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:11:42 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The 666 Club The 666 Club While such a pretenious name is bound to get someone to have some trouble the 666 club is an organization that has surprisingly large amount of respect in Hell. Armed with a relatively interesting membership and clientelle as a Hellish society and works rather like the freemasons do here on Earth. An organization for the propogation of evil and brotherhood among Eartbound Demons while also providing a relatively interesting good time. There are 2 ways to get membership into the 666 Club and the first is the one that most fits his name. A Demon must find his way to Earth and kill 666 human beings, there is no time limit on this or requirement that it be warriors/soldiers/women/children etc (of course such debates cause no end of difficulty among members and quite a few contests). Given the ammount of corporeal service this requires and the fact such large displays of murder are enough to usually get one yanked from duty the members of the club are rather troubled indeed. The other way to get membership in the 666 Club is to kill 9 Angels in combat. Again it doesn't matter if it's vessel killing or Soul killing, Michaelite or Flowers, but the end result is the same with the only stipulation being it has to be nine seperate angels. These men seperate themselves from the 666 human killers by calling the former "Master Slayers" and the Later "Aces" though the title is relatively recent terminology. Membership in the 666 Club gaurentees you first of all rights to the "Temple" which is a huge palace in Shal Mari and has minor Shrines in every other Region in Hell and the services of the slaves of the Order which include quite a few eager to please demons taken prisoner. Each Prince has a different opinion on the 666 club with Baal being an actual regular member attending the inner circle while Saminga is is an erratic lover/hater of the Club due to the fact that his servitors do not compose a significant majority. On Earth the Club has developed a relatively stable net of safe houses which certain demons which have passed beyond the 'lowest tier' of the 'Infernal Stairway' may make use of. Only a few demons outside of the club can guess that the "men's club" has actually formed a relatively stable network of intra-prince servitorship out of bounds of the work and even they have no clue at some of the really truest deepest levels of the Club. What started as a curious way for experienced demon 'bad asses' to brag moved to being able to call on other 'bad asses' for bigger fights and may be moving to something more. Then again maybe that's just the jealous demons talking. The fact remains that Lucifer is seen everywhere in Hell...the fact he's a frequent drinker at the 666 Club main palace bar should not indicate anything whatsoever....and by the way DON'T bug him for a word during Happy Hour. Any other time you want to is fine but you'll end up the word of margeritas and that means about 5 seconds of existence before he drinks you. - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: IN> Slew of Questions Is there any information on Chicago, or the Great Lakes regions? How many celestials are usually in a city? State? How many Tethers are usually in a city? State? um, okay I ran outta questions. Thanks for answers in advance. Zombi Bobb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The 666 Club Interesting. Of course, I can't see Andre having a very high opinion of this. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Slew of Questions - --- Jim Burzelic wrote: > Is there any information on Chicago, or the Great > Lakes regions? Somebody did a write-up on Chicago, but I don't remember who. It was posted to the list about a month ago. > How many celestials are usually in a city? State? Varies with campaign. I like the idea of there only being a few hundred thousand Celestials _total_, with Hell having the advantage in quantity and Heaven leading in quality. > How many Tethers are usually in a city? State? Again, varies with campaign. IMC there are three Tethers in San Antonio; the Alamo (Stone, and that one's canon), the Alamodome (Dark Humor) and the Institute of Texan Cultures (Happy Hunting Grounds) plus a periodic Tether to Flowers that forms on the day of the Battle of Flowers parade. As for how many there typically are to a state, check out the Liber Castellorum. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "The surest way to keep a secret is to make people believe they already know the answer." - -- Fremen saying __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:11:26 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The 666 Club Very, very good and very useful. I can see sticking this in a campaign city and having the PC's start to hear about it. Getting appalled at the entrance requirements. BTW, can the Hellsworn, if they meet the requirements, become a member? Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:23:49 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Use Question, again (was: Vapulan Time Travel) >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Vapulan Time Travel >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:24:42 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [199.170.88.15] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBDA1B1E9005D4004319DC7AA580F6C6C0; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:24:36 -0700 >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id >OAA11273for in_nomine-l-outgoing; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:27:49 -0500 >Received: from mordor.thecabal.org (mordor.thecabal.org [209.20.131.124])by >lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11269for >; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:27:46 -0500 >Received: from [24.147.8.99] (h000502ee0267.ne.mediaone.net >[24.147.8.99])by mordor.thecabal.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890364C7FBfor >; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:24:21 -0700 (PDT) >From owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:25:24 -0700 >X-Sender: (Unverified) >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: >Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Precedence: bulk > >At 12:55 PM -0400 10/25/01, Jeffery Watkins wrote: > >>Time Travel has been part of the French In Nomine game for a while now > >>...so far as I can tell. Kronos is the Prince of Eternity and has the > >ability to send people through time (forward and backward) > > > >Would anyone who has this version be willing to do a write-up for the >list? > >ah hem...Please? > >Remember, however, that doing so as a verbatim translation will violate >the copyright of the French game. (I have no idea why SJ hasn't done >anything with the time-travel stuff. I can't read his mind! Though a lack >of interesting things to do with it at the moment is one possibility.) > >No violating copyright on the list. It be not nice. (Moriah, before my >time, smacked someone down for posting a translation of the French >Malphus.) Question - Given (a) SJGames has purchased the rights to use Siroz/Asmodee material (from INSMV) and (b) that anything posted to this list is copyrighted to SJGames, then shouldn't (c) anything from INSMV translated and posted to this list fall under SJGames rights to publish said material? - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:23:09 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Notre Dame > - --- james walker wrote: >> Since when is imprisoning criminals cruel?! > > Incarceration in and of itself may not be -- but the way > it's done in the modern penal system is. [snip] Somehow, I don't think those problems are going to occur in a prison run by angels! The thought struck me, that the sneakier SOH might arrange to be captured as a simple way to avoid going to Hell. It's not ideal, but given the way that demons tend to treat their cannonfodder, they might find Notre Dame an improvement; no danger, they don't have to work, they can just sit there and read. Not everyone's idea of paradise but certainly better than, say Sheol. James. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:31:35 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Cruelty > This brings up another point, though; how subjective are > Gabriel's Choir Attunements? Whose standard of cruelty is > used to decide who is and isn't a legitimate target? James > and I clearly have different standards; it's reasonable to > conclude that angels would also have differing opinions on > this subject. I'd guess that each choir is deemed to have a better understanding of different forms of cruelty, which is why they specialise; so the Ofanim DON'T punish cruelty, because they lack a resonance capable of analysing their target, while the Malakim are individual enough to deal with the tricky cases that don't fall into neat categories. For some reason, the line: "A smouldering wick he will not put out" was running through my head while thinking about this; it'd appeal to anyone associated with Fire. So maybe one important criteria is that punishment does not break the target, while cruelty does/intends to? Of course, that raises the question of whether it's intent or final result that matters.... James. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:33:40 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Lilith's looks > and carry a toy owl Hmm. are we SURE that Athena is an ethereal, and not a pseudonym Lilith uses when slumming? James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:08:53 -0700 From: daiv Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cruelty On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 02:31 PM, james walker wrote: > >> This brings up another point, though; how subjective are >> Gabriel's Choir Attunements? > > For some reason, the line: "A smouldering wick he will not put out" was > running through my head while thinking about this; it'd appeal to anyone > associated with Fire. So maybe one important criteria is that punishment > does not break the target, while cruelty does/intends to? Of course, > that > raises the question of whether it's intent or final result that > matters.... I would say that Cruelty is, by definition, entirely about intent; Results are irrelevant. There are any number of people who are cruel but totally incompetent. Fate and Destiny are, I would suggest, more concerned with results. What you manage to achieve, one way or another, is as relevant to Fate and Destiny as why you did it. Which begs the question, can you accidentally achieve your fate or destiny? I would say that it is entirely possible. Terrorists who commit atrocities "in the name of God" are almost certainly doing so in the belief that they are going to be rewarded for what they are doing; In a sense, their intent is to fulfill their destiny. What they manage to actually achieve is more likely closely linked to their fate. So, Intent is all for cruelty. And nothing at all to Fate. My two cents. -Daiv my mother once said that boy is stranger than a three toed barking frog. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:18:42 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Horror Month: Battle Plan Michael had had enough of his "ally" complaining. With a swift backhand, he sent Saminga flying across the room, to crash into the stone wall of the catacombs. As Death rose to his feet, opening a rotting mouth to protest, War spoke: "I am War. The conduct of this campaign is mine. When the corpses are piled high, you will be in control, and choose how to use to use them - barring the one I am promised. Until then you will obey me - as you swore to do a year ago. Or will you pit your strength against mine?" Michael strode into the centre of the room, and gazed down on the Shedite. Saminga had chosen a giant of a corpse to inhabit, thinking that being able to loom above Michael would give him an advantage during their frequent arguments. This might have worked, if Saminga had ever been on his feet. As it was... 'Your plan makes no sense. It is incredibly simple - too simple! She will easily guess what we are doing. And you obsess over thousands of details and trivialities. Why?' "My plan is simple because simple plans work. The more complicated a plan is, the more things can go wrong. As for the details - I expect things to go wrong, so I have planned for every possibility. Do you truly believe that we can kill a Demon Princess so easily? Yes, I know most of her defences - but I cannot guess all of them. We must be prepared." Saminga raised himself to his feet, and posed dramatically. 'All things must die - she should have died over twenty millennia ago! She is doomed, and her Doom will take her. Nothing can stop us!' "Nothing can stop ME, traitor, remember that. I have proven myself against every foe of heaven. I proved myself against you, keeping our challenge secret, as agreed, over a year ago - and remember that this is the payment you owe me. IF you follow my plan, we will kill her, and your Word will be feared in Hell; I have no need for this battle trophy, and it pleases me for you to have the credit for her death. Do you understand?" 'I do. To ensure her death, anything is worthwhile, even humbling myself to a mere Archangel. I will follow your plan.' "Which is?" Saminga's eyes lit up 'I will craft a zombi, welding together the Forces of half a score of traitors, each a Shedite who I granted the ability to inhabit a corpse. Their agonised screams will herald the creation of a new monster who will begin the...' "So long as I can Possess the corpse with a Song, I will be pleased with it. What then?" Saminga began to sulk; he hated having his rants interrupted. 'My minions will assault her Tethers, aided covertly by your Servitors. I will raise the dead to hold the Tethers. No matter how many of her allies she calls on, we will hold them for eternity!' "We will hold most of them, for as long as they are useful. And then?" 'She will be Invoked by her Seneschals. I will challenge her, claiming that I have unravelled her plot to destroy me; have learnt that her Daughters refuse to serve me for fear of punishment should her plan succeed.' "Good. And then?" 'I will challenge her. If she accepts..' "She will not, but no matter, it is good to be prepared..." '...then I will destroy her! If she refuses, I will demand a trial by combat to resolve the matter; because she will not face me, being merely mortal and no match for Death, I will announce that I have crafted a mighty zombi which is a match for any mere human. You will be inhabiting the zombi, and will absolutely defeat her!' "And?' 'Then I will triumph, and Death will be supreme.' "Before that - what are the conditions of the duel?" 'She must accept that should she die, all of her Free Lilim must Bind themselves to me, and her body must be mine to zombify. Further, she accepts that this combat proves that she was plotting against me, and must accept Asmodeus' sentence on her.' "Very good. And what will you sweeten the deal with?" 'Should my zombi fail, then every one of my Servitors will owe her a life-Geas.' He sulked a little at that. Michael nodded. "Remember, we WILL win. She will not get the Geases. Further, you can bid higher if need be - just ensure that she accepts the challenge. And my fee for aiding you is?" Saminga's eyes lit up. 'I will raise Lilith's body as a zombi, and she will be yours, as agreed - your title of mightiest of killers will be confirmed by my gift'. The Seraph could not even bring himself to nod; supporting Saminga's delusion was too close to lying. Merely listening to the raving was jarring. "Lilith's zombi will be mine, yes. And her Lilim will be yours. My plan is sound - Lilith cannot afford to let one of her underlings fight the battle; too much rides on it. And Asmodeus will ensure that the challenge is accepted, lured by the Binding of the Free Lilim. Other things could go wrong, but have been dealt with. We can begin." Saminga laughed, his maniacal, diabolical laugh. Then he vanished, to work his necromantic rituals on his unfortunate renegades. Michael sighed. The things he did to defeat Hell. But it was worth it - Lilith's zombi would be able to reveal all of her plots, list everyone who she had Geases on, teach her Secret Songs, and more. She - it - might even be able to provide the proof of collaboration between Asmodeus and Dominic which he was searching for. Meanwhile, the Free Lilim would go renegade in large numbers rather than serve Saminga - at least some of them would decide to seek Redemption, if only for the chance to avenge their Mother. Would Asmodeus soul-kill her, he wondered. Perhaps. Probably not, though - she held to many Geases on angels for him to be so wasteful. Still... Musing on the possibilities the future held, he also left the tombs. James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Jeantech Time Travel (or lack thereof) - --- Michael Cleveland wrote: > There are days when Jean really loves having people > like Vapula around. > If you ever want to guarantee that a device or > principle will never be used > by any sane being, find a way to get the notion into > Vapula's head that > something is neat. (Channelling Sparky*) WHAT?!? HE'S the one responsible?!? HE'S the one who Makes Everyone Scream At Me? Has he realized how many times the universe has nearly gone down the metaphorical drain because of his little ploy? Can he conceive at how close we've all been to being reduced to shapes best stored in glassine envelopes, thanks to this policy? Does he have any IDEA about how hard it is to remove one of one's Celestial Force from up your nose when it's Baal who put it there in the first place?!? [shakes fist at heavens] I kill you, Jean!! I kill you filthy!!!!! [Breaks down in bitter sobs] (/Channelling Sparky) ;) Moe *An NPC writeup of mine (on the site), for those who came in late. Vapula's keeper: he's so busy trying to keep neat ideas _out_ of the Prince's mind that he's quite forgotten that there is an actual War going on out there... BTW, Michael, nice reasoning. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:30:10 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Use Question, again (was: Vapulan Time Travel) Perry Lloyd wrote: > Given (a) SJGames has purchased the rights to use Siroz/Asmodee material > (from INSMV) and (b) that anything posted to this list is copyrighted to > SJGames, then shouldn't (c) anything from INSMV translated and posted to > this list fall under SJGames rights to publish said material? Uh, no. Nice try, but no. First, _SJGames_ owns the copyright. Members of this list do not. Secondly, licenses are more complex than that, and I doubt very much that SJGames' licemse from Siroz would give them the right to just publish verbatim copies (or direct translations) of the Siroz material. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:17:36 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Use Question, again (was: Vapulan Time Travel) David spake: >Perry Lloyd wrote: > > Given (a) SJGames has purchased the rights to use Siroz/Asmodee material > > (from INSMV) and (b) that anything posted to this list is copyrighted to > > SJGames, then shouldn't (c) anything from INSMV translated and posted to > > this list fall under SJGames rights to publish said material? > >Uh, no. Nice try, but no. First, _SJGames_ owns the copyright. Members >of this list do not. Secondly, licenses are more complex than that, and >I doubt very much that SJGames' licemse from Siroz would give them the >right to just publish verbatim copies (or direct translations) of the >Siroz material. > >-David Ah, so my item (b) is false, then. That which is posted to the list *doesn't* become the property of SJGames. Okay, understood. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:45:12 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Use Question, again (was: Vapulan Time Travel) Perry Lloyd wrote: > Ah, so my item (b) is false, then. That which is posted to the list > *doesn't* become the property of SJGames. The list and all contents are the property of SJGames, meaning that technically, no one is allowed to REPOST anything from this list anywhere else without SJGames' permission. (In practice, they're not likely to object to you posting things from this list on your IN fan websites, but it does mean that, for instance, you couldn't get away with selling a "Best of The In Nomine List" anthology without their permission, and if you have stuff from the IN list posted on a website that charges a subscription fee, SJGames would be entitled to demand you either remove it or give them a cut.) However, that doesn't imply that you can transfer intellectual property to Steve Jackson Games by posting it on the list. If someone were to post Stephen King's latest novel on the list, SJGames would obviously not thereby acquire the copyright to that novel (and in fact would be liable for damages if they didn't immediately take action against the person who posted it). By the same principle, the fact that SJGames owns the license for translating the French edition of the game does NOT mean that Joe Random Fan is allowed to post copyrighted Asmodee materials to the list. You'd be violating Asmodee's copyright, and pissing off both Asmodee and SJG. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:35:57 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Converting Hardcore to Destruction An update on an old idea of mine with reactions on how people might change with their prince's word shift Providing Furfur wins his "word battle" with Belial and is able to ascend to the Demon Prince of Destruction title (a move that while it may take years even centuries to solidify-may make him among the most powerful of princes) it will necessitate quite a change on his followers. Given loyalty is one of the few things Furfur does care about it is likely he may award many of his followers with the new attunements but for the most part they will simply have their present one's converted to the (mostly) more powerful ones. Dissonance Furfur's peculiar fascination with the Truth has dissapeared as his obsession with rage and devastation has become ever greater. A follower of Destruction must ALWAYS choose the road that will lead to more destruction in the long run and if it turns out that it does not then they suffer dissonance unless they "make up for it" in spades (three times over-no Wiccan jokes). Balseraph of Hardcore to Destruction A Balseraph of Hardcore will find his ability to crush a human's hopes with brutal truth mutate into an ability to add their celestial forces to inspiring any being to acts of destruction. The perception of truth becomes much like other Balseraphs at this point with a firm of leaning toward "All systems tend toward Entropy." Djinn of Hardcore to Destruction In ADDITION to being able to harm the objects of their attunements as much as they want they will be able to determine whatever sort of weaknesses it may possess whether physical, mental, or emotional. "Hmmm he's vunerable to a specific rock from his homeworld and has thing for someone named L. Lane." Calabim of Hardcore to Destruction Be very afraid, no longer do they need loud music playing to triple their resonance. The Demon Prince of Destruction is a beacon now to virtually every Calabim in every rank and they will soon outnumber his other troops by legion. Habbalah of Hardcore to Destruction Habbalah become much more focused on negative emotions that they find their previous skill with emotion stunted as their ability with negative emotions heightened greatly. They may add their total number of forces times two to leading a person to violent or destructive behavior. Lilim of Hardcore to Destruction Lilim of Destruction are no longer restrained by the need to violent actions or performing violent favors. They're works are all to the ultimate end of destruction anyway but can still add their ethereal forces to any resonance roll. Shedim of Hardcore to Destruction Hardcore Shedim in addition to adding their celestial forces to guiding their hosts toward violent action need no roll to possess someone in the middle of destructive behavior. Impudites of Hardcore to Destruction While Impudites of Hardcore still love metal they no longer are quite so music based as any human in the Middle of Violent action they can automatically charm. The Impudites of Destruction consider for the most part their position as "the muses of destruction" and consider the death of humanity an art...but one their friends do for them. Servitor attunements: Overdrive to MAXIMUM Overdrive Overdrive is now much more powerful as it now works on Celestials and beings with more than five forces as long as said being ultimately has less forces than the being in question. Futhermore Maximum Overdrive's bents take a particularly destructive bent as a sexual response becomes increasingly risky (S&M or risky places, promiscious, unprotected) and violence ever more wrathful (A man hitting his wife beats her and destroys everything around her-and quite possibly on her) He also gains several new powerful attunements best left to the imagination of the Referee. Distinctions Knight of Rock to Knight of Hardcore Quite simply he bestows all of his knights with the Baron attunement instead of the rather 'mild' ability to communicate over loud concerts. The contempt also becomes slightly revoltionary and riotous as well though not especially so. Captain of the Mosh Pit to Captain of Rampage The ability is increased quite a bit to a frightening degree that while they may cause disturbance otherwise naturally any destructive action or violent one causes NONE as long as they are in corporeal form. An ability of frightening implications Baron of Destruction All Baron's suddenly finding their ability a knight attunement will have their promotion include the ability to incite those same feelings over a block radius per force but like with the Knight distinction very destructive. Relations Nybbas and Furfur's relations have soured given Furfur's new emphasis on violence rather than the propagation of it. Furfur is still interested in propagating violence through the Media but his "good buddy" is taking it way too slow for the Demon Prince of Destructions taste. Perhaps unfortunately his major geas to Lilith has gone to the back of his mind and he's ordered the lilim who treat his men poorly to be "manhandled appropriately" which is only slightly less violent than his usual cussings. Belial as a minor Prince will likely soon be destroyed though Furfur is considering "forgiving" the old man if he'll beg for his life...fat chance. On the plus side on the establishment's way he's found some fairly cool folk whom he's willing to hang with as he plots the destruction of Earth. While he's currently approaching Valefor relatively reasonably as a fellow Calabim, the Theft prince finds the man a loathsome algamation of his Band's worse attributes magnified a hundred fold. Otherwise quite a few Princes are willing to kiss the Brat Prince of Hell's ring as a brother even as he begins to wonder if the position of "Commander of the Armies of Hell" would fit him....Baal has yet to realize the threat is even remotely serious. Allied: Malphas, Saminga (Saminga is allied to Furfur) Associated: Lilith, Fleurity, Valefor (Malphas and Haagenti are associated) Neutral: Nybbas, Andrephalus, Kobal, Haagenti Hostile: Everyone Else except Baal (Valefor is hostile to him) Enemy: Baal (the Establishment Incarnate man) - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2423 ********************************