in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2432 In this digest: Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. IN> No Tethers in SF? Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. IN> Re:Force Catchers Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. Re: IN> More Songs of Convenience Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. IN> Hey... IN> New Tether... Re: IN> Hey... Re: IN> New Tether... IN> Quick test... Re: IN> Hey... Re: IN> Re: Fun With remnants Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? Re: IN> Hey... Re: IN> Hey... Re: IN> Hey... RE: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:36:14 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. >I doubt there is anywhere on Earth (apart from some divine tethers) that is >_completely_ controlled by Heaven, in any case. What sort of weirdass town >would have no infernal tethers (none, nada, etc.)? Wasn't Los Angeles in *The Fall of the Malakim* completely under the control of Hell? And if so, then why not a town controlled by Heaven? Janet Anderson * * * * And they shall rebuild the old ruins, They shall raise up the former desolations, And they shall repair the ruined cities ... Isaiah 61:4 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 05:43:51 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: IN> No Tethers in SF? Hey, >>No, it's not. You have no way of knowing what the demon's motive is. >>Maybe he wants to redeem? Maybe he's a stupid demon who's unaware of >>Heaven's control of the area > >I doubt there is anywhere on Earth (apart from some divine tethers) that >is _completely_ controlled by Heaven, in any case. What sort of weirdass >town would have no infernal tethers (none, nada, etc.)? I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading somewhere in H&H that San Francisco is free of Infernal Tethers. Not having my copy available at the moment, I can't confirm it...perhaps some other kind soul will check? It was just mentioned in passing, something like "Los Angeles is to demons the way San Francisco is to us." Thanks, ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools "One alone is much less than half of two." -- Dave Duncan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:42:01 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. At 9:19 PM +0000 11/6/01, Jo Hart wrote: >I doubt there is anywhere on Earth (apart from some divine tethers) >that is _completely_ controlled by Heaven, in any case. What sort of >weirdass town would have no infernal tethers (none, nada, etc.)? Well, tendencies, anyway. I don't think tether density *has* to be that high. I ran a game in Lowell, Massachusetts where there wasn't a single tether to either side throughout the whole city, so the PCs and opposition alike had to come up from Boston, which IMC is saturated with them. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:44:57 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? At 5:43 AM +0800 11/7/01, Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > >I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading somewhere in H&H that >San Francisco is free of Infernal Tethers. Not having my copy >available at the moment, I can't confirm it...perhaps some other >kind soul will check? It was just mentioned in passing, something >like "Los Angeles is to demons the way San Francisco is to us." I'm not sure that's official or not. I do know SF is supposed to be Angelically controlled, even as LA's Infernally controlled. Of course, LA also has a 'resident angelic population.' Not even counting Max. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:41:36 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance At 2:23 PM -0600 11/6/01, David Edelstein wrote: >Stone waits. Stone has infinite patience. Stone allows others to commit >themselves. Stone will point out the folly of their actions and >demonstrate the inevitable consequences. And even when it's obvious that >they are about to do something stupid and pointless (like attacking >Stone), Stone allows them every possible opportunity to change their >minds. Stone giggles when you break your knuckles trying to punch it. >And after they have committed themselves and eliminated all doubt, Stone >acts, with finality. That too. emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch http://brie.bmsc.washington.edu/people/merritt/books/Eye_of_Argon.html "rumoured to contain hoards of plunder, and many young wenches" Mike [falsetto]: "We're tired of these degrading patriachical slurs! From now on we demand to be called 'wynchys.'" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:48:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. At 9:36 PM +0000 11/6/01, Janet Anderson wrote: >>I doubt there is anywhere on Earth (apart from some divine tethers) that is >>_completely_ controlled by Heaven, in any case. What sort of weirdass town >>would have no infernal tethers (none, nada, etc.)? > >Wasn't Los Angeles in *The Fall of the Malakim* completely under the control >of Hell? [...] Theoretically. Though the archives contain enough trucks running through the holes in that theory (which then backed up and did it again to make sure)... I was new. There was a deadline. Most of the text was already written. O:/ - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:50:18 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:Force Catchers Beth wrote (last week, but I only just got the digest)): > Shedim get less milage out of owning Force Catchers, [snip] > Of course, there's another use for this trick. See, Force Catchers are > celestial artifacts as well -- you can keep prisoners in them even in > the celestial realms. Further, the Force Catchers specifically state that the demon inside is immune to the Light of Heaven - now, tie two threads together: 1) how does Hell plan to conquer Heaven, with 2)"We want Mecha!" gets interesting, doesn't it? Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:27:44 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance [Sigh]. Let's try this again. David is bound by his own dissonance conditions, yes? David has repeatedly killed demons AND ANGELS who have not attacked him, yes? - described in both FotM and S1 - including cases of killing his own angels. Now, if you believe that a refusal to hit first includes refusing to respond to the preparations for the attack, you now have to explain why dissonance hasn't driven David as crazy as Gabriel. (Clearly David isn't dissonant, or Dominic wouldn't approve of him so highly). Well? James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:04:55 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? >From: Whistling in the Dark > At 5:43 AM +0800 11/7/01, Manny Nepomuceno wrote: >> >>I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading somewhere in H&H that >>San Francisco is free of Infernal Tethers. Not having my copy >>available at the moment, I can't confirm it...perhaps some other >>kind soul will check? It was just mentioned in passing, something >>like "Los Angeles is to demons the way San Francisco is to us." > > I'm not sure that's official or not. I do know SF is supposed to be > Angelically controlled, even as LA's Infernally controlled. Of > course, LA also has a 'resident angelic population.' Not even > counting Max. > -- "they own L.A. like we own San Francisco" - p4 of FotM in the open story, and "Cities like Paris and Sydney, for example, are proudly ruled by angels" [which has caused a great deal of amusement to Australians, BTW] - - p60 of FotM. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:10:37 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. Well, nice to know that I can still get a reaction out of the list, albeit by accident. :) Thanks for the comments: I don't completely agree, mind, but I can see the various points that were made - - so I'll have to tweak things a bit. Not _too_ strenuously, I think: a more rigorous definition of what 'crossing the Line' actually means*, plus a bigger emphasis on the utility non-Stony angels have in the city (probably why Davey has an open-Tether policy in the first place), and the objections should go down to a dull roar. Moe *It all depends on how David pictures sieges. Are they a set of related but independent battles that just happen to share the same location? Or are they one long fight? I postulate the latter ... and, considering that Stone has a funky timesense, even for Heaven, Dave may be still judging his new toy as an active battlezone. That'll be affected by the below, of course. And then there's Hell's reaction. Have they managed to sit on Belial (Baal's a little too smart to go off and stay off the handle at this provocation) long enough to stop him from continuously flinging demons at the place, or ... not? Still, the concept needs some fiddling ... which is why I post here, after all. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:47:15 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> More Songs of Convenience >More Songs of Convenience > >Alarm Clock >This Song will ensure that the target (not necessarily >the performer) is able to wake up at a time of the >target's choosing. The effects last for (CD days). Of course, this would be really great if it let you pick the wake-up time without regard to external pressures like getting to work on time :). >Housecleaning >These are actually three related Songs: Clean >Refrigerator (transports old food to garbage can, >disinfects and wipes down counters and stacks salvaged >Tupperware/dishes in sink); Wash Dishes (one sink's >worth per Essence); and Take Out Trash (to the nearest >collection point: separating recyclables costs one >additional Essence). Calabites take dissonance for using this Song, naturally :). >Parking >When performed, this Song will provide a legal parking >space within a minute. The parking space will be >reasonably close to the desired entrance, and large >enough for a minivan. Once a space has been cleared, >it will be effectively invisible to other drivers >until the singer has finished parking: entities with >Symphonic Awareness get a Will -2 roll to pierce the >illusion. Oh, now THIS is a recruiting pitch for getting involved in the War! *goes running out to find the nearest angel to sign up* >Take-out >This Song will provide a meal (four people per >Essence). In order for the Song to work, there must >be a take-out restaurant of the appropriate type (see >below) within a mile of the performer: the food will >quietly vanish from the restaurant and arrive in a >suitably cooked form. The performer must also have >sufficient cash on hand to pay for the meal (plus a >20% tip): coupons will not be accepted, alas. The >meal will come with the usual accoutrements, plus a >receipt. > >Performers must learn a different Song for each type >of food that they wish to summon (Chinese, Mexican, a >particular fast-food chain, etc.), and cannot order >anything that isn't already on the menu. > >A variant of this (Rent Movie) will acquire a >particular video for 24 hours (at the end of that >time, the video will pop back, fully rewound). If the >video is not available, the Song will use its best >judgement and rent something else. Of course, "best judgement" might depend on the Celestial; I can imagine the rest of the group getting irritated when the Servitor of Novalis keeps getting Sound of Music or the Care Bears movie whenever something's out (or the Dominican with Judge Dread... :)) >Contrary to popular belief, there is *not* a special >squad of Dominicans watching to see whether this Song >is used to acquire adult movies. Eli's people could justify it as necessary to Essence collection... - -- Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:59:16 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. - --------- >From: Maurice Lane > *It all depends on how David pictures sieges. Are > they a set of related but independent battles that > just happen to share the same location? Or are they > one long fight? I postulate the latter ... and, > considering that Stone has a funky timesense, even for > Heaven, Dave may be still judging his new toy as an > active battlezone. That'll be affected by the below, > of course. This is important for Stonies. when does an encounter end? When your opponent flees? When you abandon the chase? Or never? For angels with a resonance which gives them info, it CAN depend on intent. Is the demon fleeing for his life, or retreating to heal/plan/ call in allies? For the demon fleeing, even if the dissonance conditions allow the Trog to keep fighting, David would probably disapprove - you've a choice, after all. James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:09:07 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance At 10:27 AM +1100 11/7/01, james walker wrote: >[Sigh]. > >Let's try this again. > >David is bound by his own dissonance conditions, yes? > >David has repeatedly killed demons AND ANGELS who have not attacked him, >yes? - described in both FotM and S1 - including cases of killing his own >angels. > >Now, if you believe that a refusal to hit first includes refusing to respond >to the preparations for the attack, you now have to explain why dissonance >hasn't driven David as crazy as Gabriel. (Clearly David isn't dissonant, or >Dominic wouldn't approve of him so highly). > >Well? It becomes a question of what is an attack. If an Angel of Stone submits to the will of his Superior, who then disassembles him, is it an attack or an Archangel performing a sad but necessary duty? As for killing demons who have not attacked him -- where's the source on that? Specifically that he killed a demon who did not attack either David or another who David was allied with or protecting? Remember, if David sees a demon beating up a little old lady, he doesn't have to wait for the demon to swing at *him.* - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:33:57 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance > It becomes a question of what is an attack. This is true; >If an Angel of Stone > submits to the will of his Superior, who then disassembles him, is it > an attack or an Archangel performing a sad but necessary duty? or if he doesn't submit? If not, then David is only killing angels who are not in rebellion; rebels are safe. Hmm, delightful logic...especially the idea that only loyal angels deserve to die - If so, then does this still apply if they Fall? If not, as above, if so - all Fallen angels are fair game, which seems to make a complete mockery of the entire concept. > > As for killing demons who have not attacked him -- where's the source > on that? Izix, FotM p62. She HAS just been responsible for the deaths of several humans and an angel, so this can fall under defending others; however this happened before he turned up, which ties it into "when does an encounter end" problem. James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:47:44 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading somewhere in H&H that San> Francisco is free of Infernal Tethers. Not having my copy available at the> moment, I can't confirm it...perhaps some other kind soul will check? It> was just mentioned in passing, something like "Los Angeles is to demons the> way San Francisco is to us." It's given a brief mention in canon (and more unofficially in my own personal setting -- http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/SF.htm). Yes, there are some cities "controlled" by one side or the other (meaning the other side has no Tethers there, but not necessarily that the other side has no Servitors or influence there. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:51:58 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance james walker wrote: > David is bound by his own dissonance conditions, yes? Yes. > David has repeatedly killed demons AND ANGELS who have not attacked him,> yes? No. > - described in both FotM and S1 - including cases of killing his own> angels. A Servitor who betrays you has actually attacked you. The "first strike" doesn't necessarily have to be a physical blow, but it does need to be a concrete act of aggression. Other than that, if David manifested amongst a crowd of demons, he would not lay into them if they didn't attack....assuming they have enough presence of mind to flee without launching any attacks when an Archangel appears. But nothing would prevent him from, say, encasing them in a few tons of stone. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:57:42 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. james walker wrote: > This is important for Stonies. when does an encounter end? When your > opponent flees? When you abandon the chase? Or never? GM's call, but go with the spirit of the dissonance conditions, not the letter. If a demon is fleeing from you and you're an angel of Stone, and you pursue him for months over endless treks of desert and swamp, you can still kill him when you run him down. OTOH, if he gives you the slip, and you move onto to other things, and then you encounter him a year later, you can't attack him under the premise that your prior encounter "was never resolved." Ditto for smaller time scales. I'd say that at such time as an angel of Stone is no longer ACTIVELY pursuing the encounter in which aggression was initiated (i.e., is no longer engaged in full-time pursuit), any subsequent encounters are treated as "new" ones for purposes of whether or not the angel has been attacked first. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:09:44 -0800 From: Asher Densmore-Lynn Subject: IN> Hey... At 03:21 PM 11/6/01 -0600, Maurice Lane wrote: >disturbance, as by now the local environment is so >riddled with Tethers that new ones haven't been able >to form anyway lately. There isn't really a demon So many tethers... an area linked to Heaven as closely as it could be, really... An area that stuffed with somewhere else might not be closely tied to here... maybe the entire area could -slip- somehow... A site that's the focus of some general infernal irritation... And IN Anime just left playtest... Hyperdimensional Fortress Stalingrad? Go for a Macross-style game, with Stalingrad floating around Pluto, trying to save Earth from whatever. Heh. Heh. - -- Asher Densmore-Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:56:02 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> New Tether... ....and you thought that Stalingrad had controversial elements? Pshaw. :) Moe "There's a big debate point, and a small debate point. Find them both! It's fun!" Lane Dunkirk (Trade) "Yes, Trade, damn your eyes. "What, you don't like my language? I'm sorry... well, no, I'm not. Do you know how many times I've had to field this one, from angels so new that they're coughing from the rarefied air down here? I do: three thousand, six hundred and forty-five times - and apparently it's about to be three thousand, six hundred and forty-six. Grab a spare bench and show some of that Heavenly deference to your elders. It's time for a spot of oral tradition. "First, look at the harbor. Pretty, no? I remember when it wasn't. Back in 1940 it looked like our friends in War called 'shambolic chaos' - a useful phrase, that - as the retreat kicked in. You've been taught about those nine days, no doubt. They told you about the retreat, and how we - excuse me, the British - - managed to pull out their army at the last minute, and what an achievement the whole thing was - but there are damn few teachers that can teach you what it felt like to be there. "What was it like? Loud. Cold. Not the cold of winter: the cold of fear. I was serving in the BEF during the 1940 campaign, and I can assure you that fear, pain and weariness are contagious diseases. Those Nazi bastards had us dead to rights by the end. We were too few, too new, too unprepared to hold back the dam when it burst, and by the end of May we were pushed back here, our heels in the surf and praying for a miracle ... and I was praying just as hard as my mates. "And we got one. "Allow me to tell you a secret, child: Heaven still doesn't quite know how the British managed to get so many troops out. We did what we could, behind the scenes - and one or two times, firmly in front of them - - but most of it came from the humans. They came in everything that could float, and kept coming until they couldn't come any more, and they pulled out of the jaws of Hell enough men to ultimately save their cause. They called it a miracle, later ... but it was a human miracle, not Heaven's. This was theirs, bought and paid for with their stubborn determination to not know when they were beaten. "And now I see that you're wondering, 'so why is it Trade's?' Well, it couldn't exactly be War or Stone's, could it? Wars aren't won by heroic retreats, after all ... and while there was gallantry shown here, the role of the Sword was overshadowed by that of Trade. This was one of the larger Trades, child: the British traded space for time, mere things for human lives, superficial pride for another chance to win. And they got full and honest measure for everything that they paid out. "And the Tether more than paid for itself ... but that's another tale." As the above might suggest, the formation of a Tether to Trade at the site of a battlefield was somewhat unusual, at least on the surface. However, the alignment of the Dunkirk Tether was a powerful protection against detection: Hell was certain that a Divine link had formed somewhere, but they could never quite determine where. Precious resources were used in futile attempts to ferret out War or the Sword, while Servitors of Trade quietly infiltrated the region (and, eventually, the various French Resistance groups). The secret was kept until some time after the eventual liberation of France: today, the Tether is simply another convenient shortcut to the French coast. But it had its day. Years, really. Tamaez, Ofanite Friend of the Shareholders (Vassal of War) Tamaez did not actually start out as a Servitor of Trade, actually: he was once one of Michael's undercover operatives in the British Expeditionary Force. During the Dunkirk evacuation he helped hold the line for as long as possible, staying until recalled ... and then staying a bit longer than that. When he finally began his own retreat, the area had already been overrun. Finding a wild Tether was a completely unexpected (but deeply welcome) surprise. Discovering that it led to the Bazaar was a bit more startling. Tamaez did not so much enter Trade's service as drift into it. Marc had immediately made the Tether available to the other members of the War Faction; choosing as Seneschal the brave Ofanite who discovered it in the first place was a fairly obvious gesture. As the years went by, Tamaez eventually decided that he would be more useful in Trade's service: his formal switching in allegiance took place in 1966. From Michael's point of view, this merely meant that he now had another useful agent of influence to play with. Tamaez still acts like a Warrior in many ways: his language remains somewhat informal (and fairly profane), he keeps his firearms oiled and he oversees his operation in a military manner. He'll also tell stories about his role in the Second World War to any angel that looks like he'll stand still long enough to listen: luckily, he's a good storyteller. His Role as Thomas Barras, curator of a local museum (which also happens to be the Tether locus) allows him to keep an eye on things ... and point out the sights to apparent visitors. Dunkirk Tether: Average (10 Forces, standard Flow, Celestial Harbor, Quiet) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:11:12 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Hey... - --- Asher Densmore-Lynn wrote: > An area that stuffed with somewhere else might not > be closely tied to > here... maybe the entire area could -slip- > somehow... Heh. heh. > A site that's the focus of some general infernal > irritation... Hah. Hah-hah. > And IN Anime just left playtest... Hah-hah-hah. > Hyperdimensional Fortress Stalingrad? Hah-Hah-Hah-HAH. HAH-HAH! > Go for a Macross-style game, with Stalingrad > floating around Pluto, trying > to save Earth from whatever. Heh. Heh. MBWHAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAHHH!!!* Moe "Now I have a IN campaign too. Ho ho ho." Lane *I mean ... "Hmm. Interesting thought." ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:42:43 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> New Tether... > Dunkirk Tether: Average (10 Forces, standard Flow, > Celestial Harbor, Quiet) Interesting idea. Dunkirk is also still fairly famous for the Battle of the Dunes in 1658 - as the British Fleet featured prominently in both battles, the co-operation between the different services might also relevant to Trade holding it - although that works equally well for Stone. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Quick test... I think that I might have seen the Chutes and Ladders thing elsewhere, but I cannot recall. I know that there's something like this on the INC... Moe You are a stone cold IN fan if... You go to a bar, get drunk and then argue about whether angels sweat. You may be playing too much IN if... You do the above, then call a local cardinal to settle the matter. You are playing too much IN if... You do the above, then get annoyed at said cardinal and demand that he put on 'the guy really running things there.' You are a stone cold IN fan if... You refer to your job as 'Role Maintenance'. You may be playing too much IN if... You refer to your social life as 'Role Maintenance'. You are playing too much IN if... You refer to your sex life as 'Role Maintenance' (also found on 'Top 10 ways to get a knee in the groin from your Significant Other' List) You are a stone cold IN fan if... You visit a place that happens to be listed as a Tether, just so that you can later use your experiences in game. You may be playing too much IN if... You look for the actual Tether. You are playing too much IN if... Not finding a Tether, you attempt to make one. You are a stone cold IN fan if... You write up a Superior for your campaign. You may be playing too much IN if... You write up a Superior based on your girlfriend. You are playing too much IN if... You write up a Superior of Cows. You are a stone cold IN fan if... You convert a supernatural/horror/historical roleplaying game to IN. You may be playing too much IN if... You convert every other game you own to IN, regardless of whether you ever plan to play them. You are playing too much IN if... You convert Chutes and Ladders to IN. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:07:39 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Hey... > > Go for a Macross-style game, with Stalingrad > > floating around Pluto, trying > > to save Earth from whatever. Heh. Heh. > > MBWHAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAHHH!!!* > > Moe "Now I have a IN campaign too. Ho ho ho." Lane > > *I mean ... "Hmm. Interesting thought." This would be impressive if Moe actually knew a dang thing about Anime. As is, he doesn't know the difference between Macross and Motorcross. - -- Casca Who's tried to get him to watch Macross Plus, and failed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:28:52 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Re: Fun With remnants >(BTW -- it's my birthday today, and I'm not going to do any real >work. Muwhahahahahahahahah! Oh, right, and i'm also getting over being >sick, too. O:p ) Then happy birthday! May all your Cherubim purr soothingly and all your Mercurians emulate your clothes sense.<< Late happy birthday Beth! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 07:07:16 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? >"Cities like Paris and Sydney, for example, are proudly ruled by angels" >[which has caused a great deal of amusement to Australians, BTW] >- p60 of FotM. > Ruled by angels does not mean "no demonic influence" jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 07:21:15 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Hey... > > > > Moe "Now I have a IN campaign too. Ho ho ho." Lane > > > > *I mean ... "Hmm. Interesting thought." > >This would be impressive if Moe actually knew a dang thing about Anime. As >is, he doesn't know the difference between Macross and Motorcross. > Who cares, Casca? He's allowed to like the idea. I didn't realise you needed to be a certified anime fan to be allowed to use the words in a post. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 02:38:49 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Hey... At 1:07 AM -0500 11/7/01, Eric Bertish wrote: > > >This would be impressive if Moe actually knew a dang thing about Anime. As >is, he doesn't know the difference between Macross and Motorcross. Now I have this terrible image of In Nomine: Motorcross. Angels and Demons fighting for Destiny and Fate -- and they're gonna get dirty doing it! - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 03:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Hey... - --- Jo Hart wrote: > > > > > > > Moe "Now I have a IN campaign too. Ho ho ho." > Lane > > > > > > *I mean ... "Hmm. Interesting thought." > > > >This would be impressive if Moe actually knew a > dang thing about Anime. As > >is, he doesn't know the difference between Macross > and Motorcross. > > > > Who cares, Casca? He's allowed to like the idea. I > didn't realise you needed > to be a certified anime fan to be allowed to use the > words in a post. He's just trying to ward off evil spirits, Jo. Eric's one of my players in my new game, you see. The poor fellow apparently doesn't realize that I have, in fact, seen the Spacecruiser Yamoto movies, at least - not to mention just how much basic information In Anime actually has to people who don't know much about the genre.* :) Moe *How much does it have? Enough. (innocent smile) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:53:45 -0500 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Earl said: Remember, if David sees a demon beating up a little old lady, he doesn't have to wait for the demon to swing at *him.* Really, I thought that David would let the beating continue. Just because a demon is being mean isn't sufficient reason to be free of his dissonance condition, thats what Swordies are for. There is no reason to save the old lady as you presented it. The Davidian could try to get the demon's attention away from the old lady, call in a friend or something if it's really an issue to him. Until the demon strikes the Stonie or one of his comrades, the demon hasn't performed the critical first strike. I personally feel that the servitors look at it like this: if the human isn't strong enough to fight back then maybe she needs to learn from this experience and become stronger, if she dies then the community is strengthened by the culling of the weak. If the Stonie helps the old lady overcome this plight by becoming stronger, I believe it fulfills one of Stone's rites. Stone IMHO is one of the biggest bunch of SOB's in heaven by human standards. Well that's about it, Dave 'not Edelstein' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:13:01 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Adams, David wrote: > > Earl said: Remember, if David sees a demon beating up a little old > lady, he doesn't have to wait for the demon to swing at *him.* No, that was Eric Alfred Burns ("Whistling in the Dark"), not me. > Really, I thought that David would let the beating continue. I think it depends on whether or not the little old lady is "his" or not -- that is, a partner in some project that Stone is taking part in, or under the protection of some Stone agent or organization. > There is no reason to save the old lady as you presented it. I assumed the lady's alliance with Stone was implicit in Eric's previous sentences: "As for killing demons who have not attacked him -- where's the source on that? Specifically that he killed a demon who did not attack either David or another who David was allied with or protecting?" > Stone IMHO is one of the biggest bunch of SOB's in heaven by > human standards. There you may well be right. The main thing about Stone is that it wants people to be tough and loyal. I don't even recall, off hand, if there IS an extended write-up on David yet, but from the main book, it is distressingly easy to paint Stone as indifferent to any other aspects of individual or group character, like justice or mercy. Bands of brigands can be tough and loyal, and the successful ones usually are -- and seem to be favored by David. Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hey, I'm still alive and coming up with stuff. Fancythat. - --- james walker wrote: > This is important for Stonies. when does an encounter > end? When your > opponent flees? When you abandon the chase? Or never? > > [snip] For the demon fleeing, even if the dissonance > conditions allow the > Trog to keep fighting, David would probably disapprove David might disapprove, but chasing down someone who started a fight isn't Dissonant for Stonies. They get Dissonance for throwing the first punch, not the last one. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance - --- james walker wrote: > Izix, FotM p62. She HAS just been responsible for the > deaths of several > humans and an angel, so this can fall under defending > others; however this > happened before he turned up, which ties it into "when > does an encounter end" problem. And then you have Cherubim of Stone. Anyone who attacks their Attuned will likely be considered to have struck first, regardless of elapsed time. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2432 ********************************