in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2433 In this digest: Re: IN> Quick test... Re: IN> Hey... IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> Quick test... Re: IN> Hey... Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> David & Dissonance RE: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance RE: IN> Hey... Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Hey... Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? Re: IN> New Tether... RE: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Hey... Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Hey... IN> PET Scan Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? IN> Briefing Compartmentalization Re: IN> PET Scan Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? Re: IN> PET Scan IN> The Angel of Scouts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Quick test... Sick, Moe. But at least you were honest about the Cows thing. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:27:20 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hey... - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > Now I have this terrible image of In Nomine: Motorcross. > Angels and > Demons fighting for Destiny and Fate -- and they're gonna > get dirty doing it! You had to go there. Now Moe's going to write up the Archangel of Motorcycles (former Ofanite of the Wind). 0:;:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:28:29 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> David & Dissonance >if the human isn't >strong enough to fight back then maybe she needs to learn from this >experience and become stronger, if she dies then the community is >strengthened by the culling of the weak. This being the case there must be a lot of demons who used to be angels of stone. "yes we're angels, but we are not going to make that demon stop smushing your face, you know why? because you're weak" Um which choir is david? It better be one of those who isnt likely to fall.... David as Elohite: ok, i was an elohite, but under these conditions, i became a habbalah cos i get to show you how truly weak you are. Mercurian: ok, yeah i was a freind of man, but, man is weak, why be a freind to the weak? this way if they are strong enough to get my attention, i show them how weak they are by sucking them dry. Lilim: Ok, heres the deal, i help you, i get dissonant, you owe me big time. Kyriotate: This vessal is weak, but the demon has struck this vessal so that counts as the first strike... *whamwahmwhamwham* Seraph: The truth is, the community as a whole would benefit from this old lady dying, it will bond them together and make them stronger. Cherub: Well, she is my attuned, so that counts as the first strike.. (OR) Well she isnt my attuned, so i will leave the area and call some of my gabbrielite freinds to smush him. So long as my attuned isnt hurt, who cares.(ping dissonance from the apathy) Malakite: Ok, i dont fall, i might get dissonant, but in the long run, if i help this old lady she will warn her freinds and group awareness and safty will go up in the region, so... i think i'll get me a little dissonant... *whamwhamwhamwhamwhamwhamwham* Cas *where you come from is gone, where you're going was never there, and where you are aint no good unless you can get away from it* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas http://communities.msn.co.uk/ADD http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:26:52 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Quick test... Maurice Lane wrote: > You are playing too much IN if... > You convert Chutes and Ladders to IN. That's actually kind of deep. The converted game: Falling & Redemption. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:42:00 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Hey... > Who cares, Casca? He's allowed to like the idea. I didn't realise you needed > to be a certified anime fan to be allowed to use the words in a post. You didn't get the memo? The world now revolves around me, effective Nov 1. Certification for Authorized Anime Posting is only the first step in a long line of comprehensive reforms. - -- Casca But first, the brutal purges. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:52:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "B.D. Pollack" Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance Just a point to slide in here: David (the list-person, not the archangel) raised the distinction that I think most of the folks arguing the other side in this matter of our fictional little old lady are overlooking -- The angel of Stone *can* take action, but he cannot attack the demon with that action. There is nothing which prevents an Angel of Stone, who is witnessing a demon in the process of unloading a can of whoop-ass on a little old lady, from stepping forward and doing all sorts of things: a Song of some kind to disarm the demon without attacking him directly, a distraction of some kind, a challenge ("Hey, why don't you pick on someone your own size?"), or even directly stepping between the demon and his prey. Nothing in Stone's dissonance conditions directly prevent a Stonie from taking all sorts of careful, deliberate actions in such a circumstance, they simply prevent the Stonie from unloading the same can of whoop-ass directly against the demon in most circumstances (subject to the usual disclaimers about the little old lady actually being an Attuned or ally of some Stone Angel). Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:52:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "B.D. Pollack" Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance Just a point to slide in here: David (the list-person, not the archangel) raised the distinction that I think most of the folks arguing the other side in this matter of our fictional little old lady are overlooking -- The angel of Stone *can* take action, but he cannot attack the demon with that action. There is nothing which prevents an Angel of Stone, who is witnessing a demon in the process of unloading a can of whoop-ass on a little old lady, from stepping forward and doing all sorts of things: a Song of some kind to disarm the demon without attacking him directly, a distraction of some kind, a challenge ("Hey, why don't you pick on someone your own size?"), or even directly stepping between the demon and his prey. Nothing in Stone's dissonance conditions directly prevent a Stonie from taking all sorts of careful, deliberate actions in such a circumstance, they simply prevent the Stonie from unloading the same can of whoop-ass directly against the demon in most circumstances (subject to the usual disclaimers about the little old lady actually being an Attuned or ally of some Stone Angel). Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:04:49 -0500 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance At 08:53 AM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >Really, I thought that David would let the beating continue. If this is true, then David is dangerously close to the same kind of rebellion that Lucifer engendered. Any Archangel who would insist that his servitors stand aside to obey his dissonance condition while a human was beaten senseless (and possibly lethally) is going to receive a personal visit from the Man Upstairs in very short order, at least the way I see it. In fact, David's angels have several options at this point: - - Create a distraction. This can be anything that gets the demon to hold off for even just a moment. Typically, even sitting down in the alley and playing Chutes & Ladders with yourself can be enough to get the demon/assailant to come over and start harassing you. (Is 'looking daggers' at someone considered a ranged weapon?) - - Get in the way. Regardless of whether or not the assailant meant to hit you and not the person behind you, a first punch is a first punch. (Intent has, in previous points, been shown to be irrelevant.) - - Summon backup. The Davidian might be helpless until the assailant attacks him, but his friend the Malakite of Fire isn't going to be. - - Anything else that I haven't thought of yet. Even if none of these options are available, remember: it's the angels' job to put humans first. I think "A human would have died at the hands of a demon if I had not interfered" would put a dent in any right-thinking (Arch)angel's indignation and wrath real quick. - -EDG "So you're just going to stand there?" "No, *I'm* going to take *her* to a hospital while you commence beating the snot out of *him*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:59:57 -0500 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Hey... You didn't get the memo? The world now revolves around me, effective Nov 1. Certification for Authorized Anime Posting is only the first step in a long line of comprehensive reforms Watch as Casca falls and becomes the Demon Prince of Ego-maniacs. A former habbalah of Magog in service to Baal. Dave p.s. I didn't get the memo. I never get the memo, why in the name of God do I never get the (*^%*^%$&^%%(&^%$#%& MEMOS!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:00:50 -0500 From: "John J. Maurer, Esq." Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance - ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDG" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: RE: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance > At 08:53 AM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote: > > >Really, I thought that David would let the beating continue. > > If this is true, then David is dangerously close to the same kind of > rebellion that Lucifer engendered. Any Archangel who would insist that his > servitors stand aside to obey his dissonance condition while a human was > beaten senseless (and possibly lethally) is going to receive a personal > visit from the Man Upstairs in very short order, at least the way I see it. I think that one problem here is with the way people look at dissonance conditions. It is not something they are supposed to do. A dissonance condition is something that they ARE. Asking a Stone Angel to attack first is like asking a human to eat glass. Sure it is something they can do, but it is terribly painful and definately not good for them. Why? Because the being in question was not CREATED BY GOD to do the "dissonant action" in question. God in his ineffible glory created angels of stone in such a way that they don't attack first. Who are mere angels to defy the will fo God. When the Angel attacks first, they are in essence saying "God was wrong to make me the way I am." (If you look at this carefully, you may see a good defense for Uriel as well) Speaks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:19:16 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Then there's: "How'd you get the dissonance?" "I had to whack a creep who was beating up a little old lady." Sometimes, you have to eat dissonance. Then you work it off or ask your archangel to make it better. Is David particularly cranky about dissonance? I don't recall. "Idiot. Next time, just put your face between her and his fist. Then you're home free. Here." {ping} "Thanks, boss." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:40:46 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Hey... > Watch as Casca falls and becomes the Demon Prince of Ego-maniacs. A former > habbalah of Magog in service to Baal. Archangel, damn your eyes. I haven't fallen. I even have the tattoo to prove it. - -- Casca But Baal was a good call. I look damn good in uniform. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:47:27 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance At 11:00 AM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >God in his ineffible glory created angels of stone in such a way that they >don't attack first. Who are mere angels to defy the will fo God. When the >Angel attacks first, they are in essence saying "God was wrong to make me >the way I am." This is fine for a game in which God has a heavy hand - but in canon In Nomine, he (debatably) doesn't. The Metatron has died, and the Upper Heavens are apparently inaccessible to those who want to be able to come down again. The closest that the lower Heavens come to God is Yves, and even then it's in a strictly hypothetical sense, as Yves is neither confirming nor denying this "fragment" rumor. It can be argued that God prefers to work through His agents, in which case it should be not only unthinkable but impossible to defy His will - in which case, who needs dissonance conditions? Dissonance conditions in In Nomine represent instead limits, boundaries past which an angel can, but should not, progress. These are imposed by their creator - and indeed, the choirs' dissonance conditions are set by whomever initially created the choirs, be it God, Yves, or some unknown angel all those millennia back, and indicate the limits of tolerated behavior for each choir, which in turn are dictated by the choir's intended function. (As an aside, isn't it strange how the Most Holy - the Seraphim - - are the angels whose resonance is least suited to Heaven, where one *cannot lie*?) These are also imposed by the angels' superiors, who have modes of behavior which they expect their servitors to obey, and a reward/punishment system set up for the obeisant and the transgressant. The trouble begins to brew when the dissonance conditions of an Archangel interfere either with the dissonance conditions of a choir (as with Judgment, whose Mercurians are allowed to mete out punishment unto humans, to an extent) or with a directive of God (in this case, that angels shall not put themselves before humans). When comparing the force of a directive directly from God with that of a superior who is at once not necessarily (if at all) connected to God through anything more than the Symphony and infinitely closer to you than God Himself is, there are certain personal battles that must be waged - the threat of a distant punishment from a God who may not even be paying attention at the moment (and indeed, only certain angels of Judgment and Malakim gain dissonance from allowing a human to suffer indignities at the hands of demons - and then, the Malakim only gain dissonance because they failed to destroy the evil that was the demon) versus the threat of punishment from an Archangel who is infinitely more accessible and persuadable than God Himself. That being said: there are many, many ways to get the demon to stop beating up little old ladies (or one little old lady in particular) without resorting to throwing the first punch. Initiating the first strike in this case, at least the first time it happened, would - at least in any game I run - result in David (or a lesser superior) telling the angel that he did the right thing, but in the wrong way, and giving a lecture on other, more acceptable ways to stop an attack of that nature. But then, that's just my 2c, and we all know what that'll buy. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:01:22 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance EDG wrote: > In fact, David's angels have several options at this point: > - Summon backup. The Davidian might be helpless until the assailant > attacks him, but his friend the Malakite of Fire isn't going to be. Or his other friend, the Ofanite of War. Talk about preemptive. (Mad props to ya, Bartimeus! Love, the Traumatic Toah.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:04:42 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance B.D. Pollack wrote: > Nothing in Stone's dissonance conditions directly prevent a Stonie from > taking all sorts of careful, deliberate actions in such a circumstance, they > simply prevent the Stonie from unloading the same can of whoop-ass directly > against the demon in most circumstances (subject to the usual disclaimers > about the little old lady actually being an Attuned or ally of some Stone > Angel). Or that the servitor of Stone is a Malakite and may have an oath "never suffer little old ladies to be beaten up". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:10:41 -0500 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:19:16 -0500, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >"Idiot. Next time, just put your face between her and his fist. >Then you're home free. Here." {ping} > >"Thanks, boss." After that first time, David might get a lot sterner-- "What's wrong? Isn't your Whim strong enough to resist the obvious course?"-- but that's how I'd handle it. - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:14:28 EST From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? >>"Cities like Paris and Sydney, for example, are proudly ruled by angels" >>[which has caused a great deal of amusement to Australians, BTW] >>- p60 of FotM. >> >Ruled by angels does not mean "no demonic influence" While Paris may be listed as being "ruled by angels," I believe it also has a demonic tether in the Louvre. A tether to Theft at the Mona Lisa. Not having my books handy, I think it was in the Tether book, but it may have been elsewhere. Sam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:16:59 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> New Tether... Well, I would have said War* or maybe Stone, personally, but there's one really sound reason for Trade: the Ofanite of Trade attunement, which allows one to know the fastest and most efficient way of getting anything from one place to another. *Angels of War are not allowed to retreat. Nowhere does it say they can't help humans to retreat when appropriate. Janet Anderson * * * * And they shall rebuild the old ruins, They shall raise up the former desolations, And they shall repair the ruined cities ... Isaiah 61:4 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:22:43 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: RE: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance >I >personally feel that the servitors look at it like this: if the human >isn't >strong enough to fight back then maybe she needs to learn from this >experience and become stronger, if she dies then the community is >strengthened by the culling of the weak. This sounds exactly like a celestial, all right -- a Habbalite. Stone angels don't ignore the weak links -- they try to strengthen them. This is a long-term process and requires that said links live long enough to be strengthened. Janet Anderson * * * * And they shall rebuild the old ruins, They shall raise up the former desolations, And they shall repair the ruined cities ... Isaiah 61:4 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:24:06 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hey... - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > He's just trying to ward off evil spirits, Jo. Eric's > one of my players in my new game, you see. For Innominated Anime, Sol Bianca is better. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance > > Really, I thought that David would let the beating > continue. [snip] > > Stone IMHO is one of the biggest bunch of SOB's in > heaven by human standards. I must point out here that David's Dissonance condition says that the angel must wait until somebody else hits first -- it _does not_ specify who the attacker has to hit. By that standard, a Stonie is free to intervene if he catches a demon (or human, for that matter) beating up an old lady. And for the record, there are not one but two extended write-ups on David. One appears in FotM, the other is in S1. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:37:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hey... - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > You didn't get the memo? The world now revolves around > me, effective Nov 1. Cool! Now that you're the most important person on Earth, can you get me a raise? };> > Certification for Authorized Anime Posting is only the > first step in a long line of comprehensive reforms. You will receive my exemption documents from the Angel of Paperwork within the week.* > But first, the brutal purges. See above. *Hey, I had to put in something to keep this on-topic! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:44:26 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> PET Scan PET Scanner On rare occasions, there are inventions that Vapula puts out that actually work as advertised. The whole point of Vapula's Great Work, after all, is to help mankind find God through Technology. Saving lives brings a good deal of conversions, and reminds the hairless monkeys that, were it not for these blessed machines, they would have left all of their loved ones behind before their time. Vapula is especially pleased when a device is made that can actually be adopted and reproduced by humans- it makes Technological acceptance so much easier. The PET Scanner is a very large, bulky and frightening piece of equipment that will allow for very detailed pictures of the brain and nervous systems. Humans have used it for years in detecting neurological problems, allowing for many lives to be saved. It whirrs, clicks, hums and makes a goodly amount of disturbing noises in a dark room, while people in white coats sit in a shielded booth looking at screens. It helps to remind people that it isn't the amount of medical expertise the doctor has that will save you, but the machines that he has at his disposal. The PET Scanner has a second use that the humans using it are unaware of - if a celestial is operating the device, he can activate several additional settings that will assist in the use of Songs of Healing. The operator, having gained detailed information on the entire body (not just the nervous system) can effectively double the check digit of a successful Song of Healing. This function will be released within the next several years to the humans, as an upgrade, or more likely an entirely new machine that just looks very similar to a PET scanner. The upgrade has already been installed in all systems, but the process of training the human operators to unconsciously use their essence in the furtherance of Technology is a sensitive process, which will take a few years longer. Most celestials, when they think of Vapulan Technology, think of objects that will randomly blow up, short-circuit, or irradiate anything that even remotely thinks about using it. This is not the case for the PET scanner. It does have a limited lifespan before requiring maintenance, but should anything go wrong, the machine will simply refuse to power up. A few minutes with a technician and a few thousand dollars worth of equipment, and it works as good as new. With this recent emphasis in quality controls, Vapula is certain that the PET scanner will help usher in a new age in the adoration of Technology. Well, not exactly. You see, while the PET scanner is a 'Vapulan' device, the project team that is in charge of them made sure to install a few additional features that somehow failed to make it into the final blueprints. Oh, the wiring and circuitry is still there in the plans, but it fails to explain itself completely. The PET scanner is indeed a marvel in the treatment of neurological disorders, but the reason it works so well is not just by showing the doctors a detailed view of the brain. The reason it works is that it makes a detailed analysis of the subject's ethereal forces, and how they interact with the corporeal forces they're connected to. The PET, or Pulsed Etheric Transmitter, is wonderful at all the things described above, but what it's _really_ meant to do is access the ethereal forces of a subject and allow them to be read and analyzed by a trained operator. The 'technician' who sits in the 'metal folding chair' in the booth is connected to the ethereal forces of the person in the scanner, allowing them to remember the subject's memories as if they were his own. The data can't be read directly into a computer - only by someone who holds the proper training. This helps ensure that the information remains confidential and not subject to capture by personnel not authorized to know about this function. The PET can also be used to carefully remove an ethereal force from a human in the machine, and replace it with one from the 'technician', most often an Impudite or Lilim. Once the transfer has been made, the ethereal force will be relatively inactive, simply acting as part of the person's memory. The subject won't even notice the difference, going about its business for the next three or four weeks, until it's time for his next checkup. Once the subject is back in the machine, the forces will be switched again, and the memories of the past few weeks read into the human's mind. The 'technician' will still have everything he or she witnessed fresh in their mind, and can then make a detailed report of everything. This wouldn't seem so bad, except that as was mentioned earlier, the project team in charge of this machine neglected to mention these functions to anyone outside their group. The training that is required to use these functions is quite complex, and quite likely to cause the machine to act in typical 'Vapulan' fashion should any untrained celestial try to use these options. Unfortunately, this will most likely prevent other research teams from reverse engineering the machine. Which is how Asmodeus and his covert operatives want it. What's the point of pulling a truly beautiful scheme off behind someone's back if they find a way to take advantage of it? And besides, it's quite amusing to watch Vapula try to make sure that these devices find their way into most major hospitals, where any Game agent worth his badge can get a Probe Team to it. And it also brings a smirk to anyone who knows the truth whenever Vapula starts talking about his technological achievements, compared to the 'unreliability of demonic works'. After all, the PET scanner will run for precisely five months, twenty-seven days, and thirteen hours before needing maintenance. The actual minutes and seconds that each machine has may vary, but when you compare that to 'any time you look at it wrong', it doesn't really seem that bad... Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? - --- Samovar3@aol.com wrote: > While Paris may be listed as being "ruled by angels," I > believe it also has a demonic tether in the Louvre. A > tether to Theft at the Mona Lisa. Not having my books > handy, I think it was in the Tether book, but it may have > been elsewhere. I think it's mentioned in Valefor's write-up in S4. I don't have any books with me, either. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:01:06 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Briefing Compartmentalization This requires a little bit of formatting, but I think you'll like this. http://www.blackivorytower.com/~firefly/template.htm I thought about posting it directly to the List, but I think the HTML format carries the idea, not to mention the look and feel, just a little bit better. Hope you like it. Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:04:54 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> PET Scan Great, talk about catching my attention with a subject line, since I'm actually going to have a PET scan in a few weeks.... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:06:13 +1300 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance >Then there's: > >"How'd you get the dissonance?" > >"I had to whack a creep who was beating up a little old lady." > >Sometimes, you have to eat dissonance. Then you work it off or >ask your archangel to make it better. Is David particularly >cranky about dissonance? I don't recall. > >"Idiot. Next time, just put your face between her and his fist. >Then you're home free. Here." {ping} > >"Thanks, boss." Or David the Malakite. "How'd you get the dissonance?" "I had to whack a creep who was beating up a little old lady." "Get rid of it or die." "Ahhh, right. So that's the catacombs for me then huh?" "No I think meditating on your failure as a stone in the Great Wall is enough." "For how long?" "You should know better than to ask me that." Dave is a Malakite, they hate dissonance. Dave is a Malakite Archangel, they REALLY hate dissonance. Also I think Daivd would take it as a personal slap in the Honour if someone violated his Dissonance condition. Since it stems from his oaths as a Malakite. So not only is someone saying "Screw God" but they are also saying "David's oaths don't matter". I think David would come down VERY hard on someone for that. David is nothing if not creative when it comes to punishment. Alex _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: ydobyns@princeton.edu Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, EDG wrote: [...] > (As an aside, isn't it strange how the Most Holy - the Seraphim > - are the angels whose resonance is least suited to Heaven, where one > *cannot lie*?) ISTR that the problem is not that one cannot lie *in Heaven*, but that one cannot lie in the *angelic version of the Celestial Tongue*, wherever it is being spoken -- Heaven, Hell, or a celestial form on Earth or in the Marches. And, of course, only a celestial language can be spoken in a celestial realm. In any case, the Seraph resonance remains useful and valuable in an environment where nobody can lie -- because it can discern The Truth, as distinct from the speaker's honest opinion. Only on high check digits, of course, but that's what Essence is for. (Presumably the autosuccess rule for boosting CDs applies to Resonance rolls just as to any other d666 roll?) And in an environment where nobody *can* lie, Seraphim can't trigger their Choir dissonance. Nope, Seraphim ought to like Heaven just fine. First-assignment Seraphim on Earth probably go nuts for a few weeks, trying to resonate everybody in sight, from the sheer shock of having it sink in that their resonance is now the only way they can be *sure* people actually mean what they are saying. York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:03:58 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance At 10:33 AM -0800 11/7/01, Michael Walton wrote: > > > Really, I thought that David would let the beating >> continue. >[snip] >> > Stone IMHO is one of the biggest bunch of SOB's in >> heaven by human standards. > > I must point out here that David's Dissonance condition >says that the angel must wait until somebody else hits >first -- it _does not_ specify who the attacker has to hit. > By that standard, a Stonie is free to intervene if he >catches a demon (or human, for that matter) beating up an >old lady. My take is this. Stonie sees demon beating up old lady. Stonie shouts "leave her alone!" Demon snickers and throws another punch. Stonie turns demon into pate. Angels of Stone give chances, but not stupidly. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:20:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance At 10:52 AM -0500 11/7/01, B.D. Pollack wrote: [...] >Nothing in Stone's dissonance conditions directly prevent a Stonie from >taking all sorts of careful, deliberate actions in such a circumstance, they >simply prevent the Stonie from immediately >unloading the same can of whoop-ass directly >against the demon in most circumstances (subject to the usual disclaimers >about the little old lady actually being an Attuned or ally of some Stone >Angel). Yah. After all, what Stonie is going to object to a chance to get into a rumble with a nasty ol' demon? One simply interposes one's arm between the victim and abuser, and if you get whapped, hey, you're probably home free. Of course, that could be an accident, so you should ask if the guy meant to hit you. _Then_ you're home free. And IIRC, there's little preventing a Stone angel from going over and picking up someone bodily, to set him down somewhere else. Just not doing damage that way. Oh, and no throwing your Kyrio-friend in the garden gnome at the demon. That's a missile. (And the way I look at dissonance is that it is a function of the Word that the celestial is bound to. It's not _set_ by Superiors, per se. It just _happens_. It's part of the Word, part of the Symphony; you don't get one without the other. Superiors can undoubtedly influence this, consciously or subconsciously (see Lightning), but the basic grounding comes from the nature of the Word. Lust _could not_ make a dissonance condition which demanded caring. Stone could _not_ make a dissonance condition which demanded submission or cowardness. It's a little tricky, since some dissonance conditions are, metagame-speaking, there for some kind of "balance" or to provide plot hooks. But I try to look for quasi-ineffable, mystical ways of thinking about them first. It's more illuminating. Of course, GMs can do whatever the heck they feel like doing with that. O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:24:06 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? At 10:53 AM -0800 11/7/01, Michael Walton wrote: >--- Samovar3@aol.com wrote: >> While Paris may be listed as being "ruled by angels," I >> believe it also has a demonic tether in the Louvre. A >> tether to Theft at the Mona Lisa. Not having my books >> handy, I think it was in the Tether book, but it may have >> been elsewhere. > > I think it's mentioned in Valefor's write-up in S4. I >don't have any books with me, either. It's in both -- the more detailed version is in the Liber Castellorum (that's the Tether book), while there's a passing mention in S4. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:00:28 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> PET Scan Very nice. The whole concept allows for use even in a SF setting. I can picture the new equipment in a ship's sickbay. Which is good, I had no problems placing angels on board and now I can add a few more demons. I also loved the line: The whole point of Vapula's Great Work, after all, is to help mankind find God through Technology It reminded me to not treat Vapula and his Servitors as the convient mad-scientist villians use and have some great motivations with him. Thank you!! [gives Essence with joy] Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 04:56:36 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: IN> The Angel of Scouts Hey, Bizarrely enough, the thread discussing David's dissonance conditions sparked this fellow. Enjoy. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools March Malakite of the Sword The Angel of Scouts Corporeal Forces 3: Strength 6, Agility 6 Ethereal Forces 5: Intelligence 12, Precision 8 Celestial Forces 3: Will 6, Perception 6 Suggested Word-forces: 6 Vessel: Human male (Caucasian male)/3, Charisma +1 Role: "Mark Francis Gentry", BSA spokesperson/4, Status 4 Attunements: Malakite of the Sword, Purity of Purpose, The Angel of Scouts Songs: Tongues (Celestial/3), Healing (Corporeal/3) Skills: Role skills (Survival/4, Tracking/4, Knowledge (Plant and animal identification/4, Scouting history and lore/6, Sundry useful skills/3) ), Fighting/3, Languages (English/3*, French/3) Malakite Oaths: i. Never surrender or permit myself to be captured by the armies of Lucifer. ii. Suffer not an evil to live, when it's my choice. iii. Allow no child in my care to come to harm through my negligence or inaction. iv. Uphold and honor the Scout Oath and Scout Law as I would my other oaths. v. Help little old ladies cross the streets. vi. Do one good deed a day. Special rites: - Convince an adult to participate in a legitimate scouting program. - Help a child earn a merit badge. Well, yes, if you must use the English equivalent of the Word, then there's probably another Angel of Scouts out there somewhere, an Ofanite most likely, and his Word will have more to do with gathering military information and the like. That's not what March does. He focuses primarily on character development of young humans in need of strong role models through the Scouting programs begun by Lord Baden-Powell in 1908. He earned his Word in 1910, when the Boy Scouts of America first incorporated. He's had a special place in his heart for the BSA ever since, although scouting has grown to encompass organizations in over 300 countries. Even today, he spends most of his time encouraging the growth of scouting in the USA. He'd like to spend some time in Geneva, where the Scouting World Headquarters is located, but he's just way too busy where he is at the moment. He promotes scouting through the BSA and the GSUSA, and when he can, the other scouting organizations in the world. He'd also like to have some servants of his own, or at least some other angels to help him out, but so far Laurence hasn't approved his request for additional resources. The Archangel of the Sword has been rather busy of late, and he expects more than mechanical perfection from his Servitors. Especially his Malakim. Sad to say, March has, of late, become dissonant through his inability to fulfill all of his oaths. He has a bad tendency to involve himself in all the issues at hand, on both the macro and the micro levels of the BSA, and while he has more resources available to him than the average human, he does have a lot of obligations to fulfill. To counter his dissonance, he's taken a few additional oaths, but it hasn't worked out for him very well -- he's now more likely to break his oaths and thus gain more dissonance. He's aware of this, but he's not interested in slacking off or taking a step back. While he's relatively independent, that isn't to say that Laurence hasn't become aware of his situation. The Archangel of the Sword has assigned a few other angels of the Sword to look in on March from time to time, and a few local Seneschals have been alerted to March's situation. A triad of Dominicans has also been dispatched to keep an eye on March, with explicit orders not to take the Malakite into custody unless absolutely necessary. For the most part, however, March is on his own. The recent controversies plaguing the Boy Scouts of America have hurt March deeply. While he understands, on an intellectual level, that the organization is going through some fairly important growing pains, he also cannot bring himself to remain neutral. He isn't sure whether or not a Servitor of Malphas is working to discredit the BSA, but he's ready to act if that proves to be the case. In any event, regardless of what is going on at the higher levels of the organization, there's always a Scout troop somewhere waiting to be led into the woods or to a camp, and there's always another local council to organize, or another jamboree to plan. Regardless of what may come, the Angel of Scouts will be there, ready and willing to serve. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 ********************************