in_nomine-digest Thursday, November 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2434 In this digest: Re: IN> Seraphim Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? Re: IN> The Angel of Scouts Re: IN> PET Scan Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance IN> Kyrios -- dissonance Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Hey... Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> Kyrios -- dissonance Re: IN> Kyrios -- dissonance Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 Re: IN> Seraphim Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> David & Dissonance IN> Hi Guys... Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 IN> Re: The Angel of Scouts Re: IN> David & Dissonance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:09:09 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim > (As an aside, isn't it strange how the Most Holy - the Seraphim > - are the angels whose resonance is least suited to Heaven, where one > *cannot lie*?) I played with this a little in the "When I grow up" series; however, other points: There are a couple of useful occasions for their resonance in Heaven: firstly, Yves library - copies of human and demonic books, yes? secondly, Helltongue can be spoken in Heaven, allowing angels to lie if they're willing to swallow dissonance. IF a Superior allows a Servitor to learn Helltongue, keeping a Seraph on hand to ensure that angels practicing the language aren't cruising for a Fall is wise; finally - reporting back from the Corporeal or Ethereal: if an angel/Blessed Soul has been lied to, the Seraph resonance will pick that when the lie is repeated, on a high enough CD. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:02:01 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance > EDG wrote: > >> In fact, David's angels have several options at this point: >> - Summon backup. The Davidian might be helpless until the assailant >> attacks him, but his friend the Malakite of Fire isn't going to be. > > Or his other friend, the Ofanite of War. Talk about preemptive. So, Stone won't start a fight - they get other people to do that for them. That's the ultimate in not wanting to get your own hands dirty! James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:40:06 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance How would Stonies describe their dissonance conditions? Well, by choir: Seraph: Think of me as an enforcer for the Pax Dei. Cherub: I defend my attuned. Our anybody else's attuned. Or anyone who theoretically might be someone's attuned. Or anyone which somebody we might want to attune to later - after all, why restrict myself, just because I can only attune to a handful of people? Malakim: I don't start fights, I finish them. I'm looking forward to finishing the one Lucifer started 22,000 years ago... Elohite: Actions have consequences. You start a fight, I'm the consequences. Kyriotate: How did you get here? Oh I possessed your body and jumped out of the plane, taking your buddy with me. I have to make sure that anyone I possess is no worse of after the possession than before. What do you mean? Yes, you're about to hit the ground at terminal velocity - what do you think was happening when you picked a fight with Stone? Now, what's this spare parachute worth - remembering that I've already gone through your pockets - and your mind? Ofanim: There's a war going on, throughout the Symphony. If you need to start a fight to get involved, you're clearly in the wrong place - the places where the fighting is already happening is clearly more urgent, yes? Want a lift? Mercurian: We're here to teach humans. Why would I set an example of starting fights? Do you think I want humans starting fights with me? Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:12:58 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> No Tethers in SF? - ---------- >From: Samovar3@aol.com wrote: >>>"Cities like Paris and Sydney, for example, are proudly ruled by angels" >>>[which has caused a great deal of amusement to Australians, BTW] >>>- p60 of FotM. >>> >>Ruled by angels does not mean "no demonic influence" > > While Paris may be listed as being "ruled by angels," I believe it also has > a demonic tether in the Louvre. A tether to Theft at the Mona Lisa. Not > having my books handy, I think it was in the Tether book, but it may have > been elsewhere. right first time: LC p109. However, Dominic has a Tether in the next room (LC p75) so it's not as if demons can expect to get very far if they use the Tether. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:43:53 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Scouts >From: Manny Nepomuceno > Regardless > of what may come, the Angel of Scouts will be there, ready and willing to serve. > Nice. Won't Christopher be taking an interest, as well? cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:49:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> PET Scan Oh, lovely. Glad I don't need a PET scan done any time soon. }:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, james walker wrote: > Kyriotate: How did you get here? Oh I possessed your body and jumped out of > the plane, taking your buddy with me. I have to make sure that anyone I > possess is no worse of after the possession than before. What do you mean? > Yes, you're about to hit the ground at terminal velocity - what do you think > was happening when you picked a fight with Stone? Er... I think this would be just a TEENY bit dissonant for a Kyrio. "Falling to his death" is generally considered to be a worse state than "riding in a plane". Even if you DO plan to later offer them a parachute... the instant you leave that body in that state, you're dissonant. A generous GM might remove the dissonance if you then go on to save them, after scaring the holy bejeezus out of 'em. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Jesus, this whole church is a fuckin law-suit waiting to happen..." -- Rev. Jesus B. Christ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:45:10 +1300 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: IN> Kyrios -- dissonance : How did you get here? Oh I possessed your body and jumped out of > > the plane, taking your buddy with me. I have to make sure that anyone I > > possess is no worse of after the possession than before. Does this mean that.... The Kyrio can push some poor schmuck out of a plane, then possess him once he has just begun to fall and not get any dissonance? He was already falling when he was possessed. He certainly isn't any worse off because of the *possession*. Fine line? I think so. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:45:12 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance james walker wrote: > So, Stone won't start a fight - they get other people to do that for them. > > That's the ultimate in not wanting to get your own hands dirty! Actually, under normal circumstances they probably don't encourage others to start fights for them, just as a Seraph won't be happy about looking the other way and letting someone else lie for him. However, if they're being put in a situation where someone is deliberately trying to take advantage of their dissonance conditions, they may not mind enlisting some help. I.e., if demons dance around them saying "Nyah, nyah, we're going to beat people up whom you're not pledged to defend and otherwise provoke you, but we won't do anything that gives you justification to attack us," the Stonies would be justified in asking someone else to throw the first punch for them. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:18:28 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Hey... From: "Whistling in the Dark" > > Now I have this terrible image of In Nomine: Motorcross. Angels and > Demons fighting for Destiny and Fate -- and they're gonna get dirty > doing it! Wind versus Technology, definitely. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:32:10 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance From: "Adams, David" > > Really, I thought that David would let the beating continue. It wouldn't be necessary. David could simply tell the demon to leave the old lady alone, and then step between them. He couldn't throw a punch unless the old lady was somebody he had previously chosen to protect, or unless the demon decided to be persistent about attacking the old lady after David said to back off. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:40:45 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 - -----Original Message----- From: in_nomine-digest To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 >Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 04:56:36 +0800 >From: Manny Nepomuceno >Subject: IN> The Angel of Scouts > >Hey, > >Bizarrely enough, the thread discussing David's dissonance conditions >sparked this fellow. Enjoy. > >;) Manny Neps >http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools > >March >Malakite of the Sword >The Angel of Scouts Logically, would an angel of Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts) be better off working for Christopher? I mean, it's really all about teaching children how to be responsible, competant individuals as they grow up... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:41:55 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance From: "EDG" > (As an aside, isn't it strange how the Most Holy - the Seraphim > - are the angels whose resonance is least suited to Heaven, > where one *cannot lie*?) I wouldn't call their resonance least suited at all - IMNAAHO, their resonance is perfectly matched to their home, just as the Balseraphic resonance is the most perfectly matched to Hell. (And as the Grigori resonance is most perfectly matched to the corporeal, for that matter. *g*) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Kyrios -- dissonance - --- Terry Jackson wrote: > : How did you get here? Oh I possessed your body and > jumped out of > > > the plane, taking your buddy with me. I have to > make sure that anyone I > > > possess is no worse of after the possession than > before. > > Does this mean that.... > > The Kyrio can push some poor schmuck out of a plane, > then possess him once > he has just begun to fall and not get any > dissonance? He was already > falling when he was possessed. He certainly isn't > any worse off because of > the *possession*. > > Fine line? I think so. Actually, no. If the guy was already going to die before the possession, then possessing him for the ride down isn't dissonant. Indeed, it could be seen as a mercy, as the possessee doesn't have to go through all that tedious business of watching the earth rise up to meet him: Kyrios take over completely, so the poor bastard's oblivious. Time it right, and he won't feel a thing. That's how I'd (reluctantly, to be sure) rule, at least. *However*, possessing someone just so that you can taunt the /other/ guy during his last moments of life .... well, the Kyrio had better not meet up afterwards with someone with the Elohite of Divine Fire Attunement. Ever. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 21:40:02 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Kyrios -- dissonance Terry Jackson wrote: > > : How did you get here? Oh I possessed your body and jumped out of > > > the plane, taking your buddy with me. I have to make sure that anyone I > > > possess is no worse of after the possession than before. > > Does this mean that.... > > The Kyrio can push some poor schmuck out of a plane, then possess him once > he has just begun to fall and not get any dissonance? He was already > falling when he was possessed. He certainly isn't any worse off because of > the *possession*. Thanks for bringing it up. I would say the Kyriotate who pushed someone out a plane and then possessed them would only get dissonance if the host who did the pushing had some strange objection to becoming a murderer...but the original Kyriotate, the one who said "I possessed you and jumped," is definitely dissonant. - -- Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:04:41 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance That would be an awfully stupid Oath for said Malakite to take, wouldn't it? On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:04:42 -0500 "Robb Kidd" writes: > Or that the servitor of Stone is a Malakite and may have an > oath "never suffer little old ladies to be beaten up". From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:52:55 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance Remember: angels fall because of dissonance, and you don't get dissonance by being mean, you get it by defying the nature of your Choir and Superior. Angels do all sorts of awful things, and David's servitors are some of Heaven's nastiest. On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:28:29 +0000 "cassandra benner" writes: > > This being the case there must be a lot of demons who used to be > angels of stone. > > "yes we're angels, but we are not going to make that demon stop > smushing your face, you know why? because you're weak From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:01:40 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 > >Logically, would an angel of Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts) be better off >working for Christopher? > I'm sure Kobal must have had something to do with it also. (Or even Andre, scout leaders do sometimes get convicted of sex offences.) I mean, Baden-Powell's book is actually called "Scouting for Boys" -- that's got to be good for a laugh. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:22:57 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 >>Logically, would an angel of Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts) be better off working for Christopher? Or at least In Service To. But Laurence makes a lot of sense as his Superior. After all, Malakim are very supportive of organizations that teach people to be responsible citizens. Now with the problem of him becoming Dissonant, it makes sense that Christopher would inetervene and help him with that by teaching him not to micromanage every little detail. And Laurence would (hopefully) understand that Christopher's expertise in this matter would be greater and allow it. The irony of all of this was that I was going to submit an Angel of Scouts as well. -:-) - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:34:59 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Seraphim aren't the only ones with covertly Earth-centered mechanics. We have: Seraphim, as mentioned: truth-detectors in a place where the native language precludes lying. Cherubim: designed to track and protect their charges, though native to a place where danger is cosmologically rare. Kyriotates: able to possess corporeal creatures, but native to a plane where corporeal beings cannot come. Mercurians: taking dissonance from harming humans, presumably even throughout the billions of years before humans appeared. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:48:33 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance toadpooka@juno.com wrote: >"Robb Kidd" writes: >>Or that the servitor of Stone is a Malakite and may have an >>oath "never suffer little old ladies to be beaten up". > > That would be an awfully stupid Oath for said Malakite to take, wouldn't > it? Not for a Malakite of Stone in service to Protection under the Angel of the Inviolability of Little Old Ladies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:07:21 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance >From: "Robb Kidd" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance >Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:48:33 -0500 > >toadpooka@juno.com wrote: > >>"Robb Kidd" writes: >>>Or that the servitor of Stone is a Malakite and may have an >>>oath "never suffer little old ladies to be beaten up". >> >>That would be an awfully stupid Oath for said Malakite to take, wouldn't >>it? > > Not for a Malakite of Stone in service to Protection under the Angel of >the Inviolability of Little Old Ladies. > Please tell me it has a little old lady vessel? Everyone knows they are as tough as bootleather, and the mental image of her laying into a demon with her handbag is ... sweet ;) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 01:17:59 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance >>Everyone knows they are as tough as bootleather, and the mental image of her laying into a demon with her handbag is ... sweet ;) Or knitting needles..or a hatpin... - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:39:30 -0600 From: "Sean Gallagher" Subject: IN> Hi Guys... Hi Everyone, I've been lurking for the last couple days, and I was a way for about 6 months, but I'm back...and I'm glad to see alot of you guys are still hanging about the list and some new ones as well...Anyway, I've got a couple questions... 1.Are there any pending releases or is In Nomine Anime it? 2.Is the ethereal players guide ever going to see the light of day? Oh btw, is the formating on this ok, or do i need to find a way to jack with it in hotmail? Sean Gallagher _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:42:46 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Stone -- dissonance Bravo James! I think the Elohite was my favorite. Many Essences to you, Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:03:13 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance Jo Hart wrote: >"Robb Kidd" >>toadpooka@juno.com wrote: >> [synopsis: "never suffer little old ladies to be beaten up" is a stupid Malakite oath] >> Not for a Malakite of Stone in service to Protection under the Angel of >>the Inviolability of Little Old Ladies. > > Please tell me it has a little old lady vessel? Everyone knows they are as > tough as bootleather, and the mental image of her laying into a demon with > her handbag is ... sweet ;) "Hey, you there with all them pokey bits. No one mugs little old ladies on my block!" "*snort* Wait your turn, wrinkly biaaaAAARGHUurfle!" "How much for your privates back?" Of course, if Eli takes a shining to the Malakite, the handbag can be that much more effective. And brooms! Lawks, the brooms! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:11:11 -0800 From: daiv Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 05:22 AM, Cameron McCurry wrote: >>> Logically, would an angel of Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts) be better >>> off working for Christopher? > Or at least In Service To. But Laurence makes a lot of sense as > his Superior. After all, Malakim are very supportive of organizations > that teach people to be responsible citizens. I'm sorry... Responsible citizens? Have you ever been in the Boy Scouts? I suppose it varies somewhat from one troop the the next... But I have to remember last year, when i was at my brothers wedding in N'Awlins with my whole family. One day, we decided to take a tour of the swamp in canoes, and it seemed like a good idea, at the time, to go with my 14 year old boy scout nephew. At the end of the trip, he asked me if I knew what was traditionally done at the end of a canoe trip. I thought back to my days in the boy scouts (oh, so long ago...) and said, falling in? he confirmed this asked if I was up for it. SInce I had no other shoes, my wallet was in my pocket, and i was wearing my marriage ring, which has an opal, which is not a good thing to get wet, I said I would rather not. He said, okay, and then a few minutes later, tried to sneak out the back of the canoe. He swamped it an dumped me. I ended up flying back, that night, to California with wet shoes. Ask me, the boy scouts are like a Card from INWO, getting traded (read, fought over) between the sword and Dark Humor, with occasional stints with Children and Lust. (Note the controversy over homosexual men and boys in the boy scouts). Then again, I think a lot of human organizations are that way in IN. -Daiv, Tech writer in service to Coffee, searching (desperately) for a Superior. my mother once said that boy is stranger than a three toed barking frog. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 04:26:46 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: IN> Re: The Angel of Scouts Hey, > >March > >Malakite of the Sword > >The Angel of Scouts > >Logically, would an angel of Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts) be better off >working for Christopher? > >I mean, it's really all about teaching children how to be responsible, >competant individuals as they grow up... I agree...conceptually. But then again, when I was writing him up I realized that it wouldn't make sense for me to hand Christopher a Word-bound Malakite who received his Word in 1907, seeing as how Christopher was raised to Archangel in the 1970's. (Actually, seeing as how he already has at least two Word-bound Servitors (mentioned in H&H in Christopher's Cathedral's writeup...whoa, I actually got a reference right), I wonder whether the Seraphim Council fast-tracks his requests for Words or something). I don't imagine that just because an angel is raised to Archangel, related Words which conceptually fall under his are automatically reassigned to him. I also don't imagine that Laurence would be keen on letting any of his Servitors transfer to another Superior, especially a Servitor who is, by angelic standards, newly Word-bound and has yet to actually distinguish himself besides gaining his Word. I agree, though, that he would be aware of, if not in actual contact with, Christopher's organization and that Christopher would be interested in enticing March away from Laurence. Hmm, I think I've got a plot seed right there. Thanks, ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools "One alone is much less than half of two." -- Dave Duncan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 23:19:00 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance > Of course, if Eli takes a shining to the Malakite, the handbag can be >that much more effective. And brooms! Lawks, the brooms! > These are angels of stone. They don't need Eli. Just carry some emergency bricks around in the handbag :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2434 ********************************