in_nomine-digest Saturday, November 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2437 In this digest: IN> Alternate Realities IN> Seraphim of Revelation IN> In Nomine Sci Fi- The Jedi Knighthood Re: IN> Seraphim of Revelation IN> HTML test Re: IN> Seraphim Re: IN> Seraphim of Revelation Re: IN> Alternate Realities Re: IN> Project - Silence Re: IN> Reassigning Servitors, fast-tracking Words? (Re: The Angel of Scouts) Re: IN> Hi Guys... Re: IN> David & Dissonance Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 Re: IN> Reassigning Servitors, fast-tracking Words? (Re: The Angel of Scouts) Re: IN> Alternate Realities Re: IN> Hi Guys... Re: IN> Alternate Realities Re: IN> Hi Guys... Re: IN> Hi Guys... Re: IN> Hi Guys... IN> HELLLP!! Word Forces Re: IN> HELLLP!! Word Forces Re: IN> Alternate Realities ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:25:35 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Alternate Realities One cool idea is that the Alternate Realities are NOT meant to be but the destruction of so many celestial forces in the War caused the Symphony to irrevocably damaged and suddenly start spinning through all the various dimensions that they have formed a near infinite number at this point. THUS 1. Some realities will have no Celestial intervention whatsoever for good or for ill and Celestials can "scout it" 2. Others will be ruled by Specific princes because Michael or so didn't notice this reality but Saminga/Baal/Kronos/Mamnon/or God help them...Furfur did 3. It allows for some cool Star Trek like scenarios. For instance a Grigori might not know that his choir has been banished or a Seraph left alone for 25,000 years rules as a God over a submissive Purity dominated populous... Heck how would Laurence react if he discovered that Demons once discovered in a world WITHOUT angels, the humans turned into a paradise on their own? - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:54:42 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Seraphim of Revelation Just glanced at this Choir Attunement. I can't even *begin* to imagine a GURPS conversion that would perserve the spirit of the Attunement... do any of the official gearheads or writers care to give it a try? William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:24:15 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In Nomine Sci Fi- The Jedi Knighthood The Jedi Knighthood "For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the gaurdians of peace and justice in the Old Republic...before the Dark Times, before the Empire." - -Obi Wan Kenobi (rumors of Balseraph status denied) 25,000 years ago when Hyperspace dimensional travel was discovered by human beings (despite Jean's best efforts) the galaxy was opened up to humanity and Heaven became unable to conveinantly deal with all the troubles that humanity and the various other races under Heavengly care suffered through. It was small consolation that Hell had difficulty reaching so many as well because the galaxy had an even more frightening concept to deal with.... Freedom. It was at this point that a very curious prophecy escaped the lips of a man named "Jedaii" that God would be sending a group of blessed individuals who would feel the true pulse and hem of the universe. Gradually Heaven sought out these individuals as the prophet did and Laurence appeared to him along with Michael, Jean, Yves, Novalis, and Laurence at various times during his quest as he learned the mysteries of the Symphony that he referred to as "The Force" To the shock of the Archangels of Heaven these individuals displayed skills far beyond any previous soldiers that made them in some ways stronger than angels and demons....but their inability to be created a superior sized (pun intended) problem for those who wished to recruit them. Gradually the Organization grew to include many people of many races and beliefs as the Force transcended religion to those who were able to hear it. A Simple code of Belief that Dominic believes sums up the elegance of the Symphony.... There is no emotion, there is peace There is no ignorance, there is only knowledge There is no passion, only serenity There is no death, there is the Force That is until the Great War of Light and Darkness where a Jedi Knight and his followers mirrored Heaven by learning how to impose their own wills on the Symphony and where the Jedi channeled their power from Heaven the mysterious "Sith" channeled their power from the darkness of Hell. While Hell long sought to influence the mysterious Sith in truth the Dark Side warriors often had the audacity to work with several Princes at once and with Lucifer's blessing they often brought entire regions of the galaxy to their knees.... There is no control, only supression There is no truth, only perception There is no weakness, where there is strength There is no slavery, where there is fate A corruption of the code that Asmodeus hung around the front of the gates of hell as a mockery to the Angels of Judgement since that "Abandon hope, all ye who enter" got cliche. Now this day the remanents and rebuilding orders of both serve as a powerful force for both Heaven and Hell with the battlefield growing ever greater in scope. Jedi/Sith Powers Jedi and Sith have an uncanny ability built into their very DNA that allows them to sense the Force/Symphony greater than even normal soldiers are capable of as only a few million in a galaxy of a million worlds are blessed with their capacities and usually most become legendary even without the Force. Thus any who wish to use the Force must be one of the rare individuals with 7 forces and curiously many force wielders eventually develop their abilities to eight (and technically even 9 or above is possible) making them more than the equal of most demons in power and nearly a match for angels. The first benefit of this ability is the attunement "Force Use" which is inborn and grants the user the "potential" to learn songs from all three force categories. Furthermore a Jedi Knight/Sith may do what is impossible for even angels to do in develop their own attunements! Though this is an agonizing process it is one that is quite shocking to Heaven/Hell in how some jedi emanuate their abilities and several times both have intervened to try and destroy certain knowledges. All Jedi also hear "disturbances" in the Force as per angels though they must use perception checks. Very few Abilities grant dissonance and it quite possible for a Jedi to create variants on Hellish disciplines and not suffer for it (The Balseraph resonance for instance) but the knowledge is arcane and requires massive study to maintain. Thankfully many Jedi come from species of a highly longed live set of races and know means of prolonging life...the Sith use more "direct" methods of doing so. At the DM's option a Jedi who achieves his Destiny may transform his body fully into energy and become A Saint by his own doing and travel to and from the Heavens. The Sith can only maintain their corporeal existences in a plane and many choose undeath but all fear the evil of Hell for their is no escape waiting them....though they all will try. Dissonance Jedi and Sith seem to be curiously related as if God was advancing certain races to Celestial dom. A Jedi can "fall to the Dark Side" in a disturbing way, it is somewhat relieving however rare that Sith merely need to go through a ritual similar to the foreswearing of Hellsworn to cleanse themselves of the Dark Side but it is an agonizing often satanically difficult process. Jedi gain dissonance for using the Force in a state of extreme anger, hate, or terror. Using the Force also for evil actions with incur a point of dissonance which is often transformed into discords subcocniously that mirror the Jedi's action and inch him closer to the Dark Side. Certain Sith seek to embody their discords and some say that the worst of the Sith, the "Dark Lords" are actually mortals bestowed with a Word but that's impossible....most believe. Kronos along with certain Sith Lords have also designed abilities which are "naturally corruptive" because their power channels Hell. These effects are often blatantly evil (Drain life energy to sustain oneself, transfering one's spirit to displace anothers, Force lightning) but others less so...the corrupting effect is the same however. As these powers are taught thus the Sith ensure they will never die. Heaven/Hell relations The Jedi remain remarkably independant of Heaven as their beliefs are often so uncompromising that they have a tendancy to view their own beliefs as often superior to certain Angels in Heaven. Furthermore they have less of a "fearful" reverance for the Symphonically aware beings than most mortals that Laurence has extended the rule of ignorance to many Jedi. Only those with specifically compatible beliefs are to be approached for soldier dom. Laurence however remains fully behind his patronage of them as does Dominic and Yves who can be considered "associated" with the Order as a whole. It is said that it was Laurence who instructed Jedi in the construction from natural crystals attuned to the symphony the First Lightsaber. Jedi who fall and become Sith or those trained by the Order are another matter as the Dark Lords and most sorcerors of the evil order are always aware of the War. Practing magicians often bind demons in occasionally massive amounts and are frequently wealthy enough that a number of demons with no practical advancement with a Prince in sight have been known to apprentice themselves in hopes of gaining great wealth (remarkably short sighted but then again...they are demons) Baal, Asmodeus, Kronos, and curiously enough Vapula are often ready to aid the Sith and offer their armies and works to destroy the Jedi and otherwise wreck havok. While some Sith such as the dreaded Emperor Palpatine transcend slavery to the Dark Masters others like Kaan become enslaved (to Beleth in his case) and many more spend their lives as little better than the snivelling servants of Hell most "favored" servitors are. Habbalah are especially vehement against the Jedi, mostly becuse the Elohim can often use their personage as an excellent role. - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:14:12 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim of Revelation At 5:54 PM -0500 11/9/01, William J. Keith wrote: >Just glanced at this Choir Attunement. I can't even *begin* to imagine a >GURPS conversion that would perserve the spirit of the Attunement... do any >of the official gearheads or writers care to give it a try? The player may choose to use any one die's value to represent the "degree of success," or the actual degree of success, whichever is greater? That's off the top of my head, though, and the baby is distracting... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:00:27 -0800 From: "Christopher Hughes" Subject: IN> HTML test Am I sending HTML mail? Fighting for War is like Fucking for Peace, They Are Us, We Are Them, Peace in Afghanistan! Not Jobless, Not Worthless, Just Homeless. By Flower, Bush, and Tree, Wherever you go, Whoever you be, Blessed be, Chris Hughes Stacey Everheart, Flurp, Grok Amiri, Tristissima. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:50:49 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:34:59 -0500 Earl Wajenberg writes: > Seraphim aren't the only ones with covertly Earth-centered mechanics. > We have: > > Seraphim, as mentioned: truth-detectors in a place where the > native language precludes lying. > > Cherubim: designed to track and protect their charges, though native > > to a place where danger is cosmologically rare. > > Kyriotates: able to possess corporeal creatures, but native to a > plane > where corporeal beings cannot come. > > Mercurians: taking dissonance from harming humans, presumably even > throughout the billions of years before humans appeared. On the one hand, yes. After all, angels were designed by God *for* corporeal service, at least partly. However, it's not quite that bad - Seraphim can perceive the objective Truth, an ability useful even in Heaven... but yeah, the Mecurians are the real oddballs. (Kyrios multitask very well, even when limited to one form as in heaven.) - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:39:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim of Revelation On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, William J. Keith wrote: > Just glanced at this Choir Attunement. I can't even *begin* to imagine a > GURPS conversion that would perserve the spirit of the Attunement... do any > of the official gearheads or writers care to give it a try? The player throws 4d6 and chooses which three are his actual roll? - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Want to hold up a bank in Latin? "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam." (I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:08:46 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Alternate Realities On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:55:32 -0600 (CST) Bryan Jonker writes: > 1. Have the celestial and ethereal areas transcend the dimensions. > All the > angels and devils (or at least the archangels and princes) know > about the > different dimensions, and may swap one world for another. I don't > know how > to play this - I mean, with an infinite number of worlds, why bother > about > one? Armeggedon doesn't have the oomph if it's only one world. Or > would Armeggedon mean all the dimensions would go bye-bye? > > 2. Have the celestials be unaware of the dimensions and just battle > in one dimension. I'm kind of nervous about this one - does this mean > God isn't omnipotent? There was a post awhile back detailing a demon named Shipley and a heresy he was spreading. While it was false, perhaps it could be true here? Cliff Notes version: There are an arbitrarily large number of parallel worlds. As one dies, you are reborn in a more heavenly or hellish world; the universe will end once all is divided into two worlds, Heaven and Hell Each world has a "God" which is an extension of the true God; each "God" is omnipotent in its own world. You could go either way - overarching Celestial and Etheriel planes, or separate - on this one. Or perhaps Archangels and Princes extend between worlds, and normal celestials do not? Just a wacko idea to go with all the sane ones. :) - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:06:29 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Project - Silence Well, it's ... interesting. I do wonder, however, how they get around the problem that you can only do this trick _once_. I can think of at least seven ways to shut these guys down - either short term or long term - without trying hard.* That doesn't mean that it can't be used, of course: I just can't see it being used for *long* before they get broken ... or tamed. At the very /least/, they had better have some damn good (and well-defined) equipment to even the playing field. Moe *Some of these will work better than others, of course: heck, I can even see some of the countercounterarguments... ;) 1) Shedite/Kyriotate (good way to get interrogation suspects). 2) Seraph of Flowers. Twenty sounds about right: even 6 Force Soldiers usually have sucky Wills. 3) Balseraph of ... hmm, Factions works, but then, they all do. Jedi Mind Tricks, anyone? 4) Malakanaries. Can you run away faster than I can pop out Upstairs and summon the Rapid Response Team? 5) Anybody with a spare vessel and a Body Bag. Hidden machine gun nest optional. 6a) Mike. I can't see him not wanting to do some whacking/recruiting, here - so would Baal. 6b) Marc. Yeah, tell me that he can't cut off their funding. Semtex doesn't grow on trees, you know. 6c) Hell, *any* Superior appearance and these guys are on the scrap pile of history. 7) Oh, yeah ... these guys are mortal, right? Once one of them dies after meeting their Fate _or_ Destiny... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/28/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:56:54 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Reassigning Servitors, fast-tracking Words? (Re: The Angel of Scouts) By this, you mean that Laurence wouldn't be too keen on what happened when...Laurence became an Archangel? > > I also don't imagine that Laurence would > >be keen on letting any of his Servitors transfer to another > Superior, especially a Servitor who is, by angelic standards, newly > Word-bound and has yet to actually distinguish himself besides gaining his Word From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:18:48 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Hi Guys... This ain't good chicken; the Superiors books are, in my opinion, the best books out there for the game; reading the profile of a Superior, even one you don't especially care for, gives tons of ideas for adventures and/or characters. If the only thing you know about a Superior is from the main book, all his Servitors are going to look very cookie-cutter. On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:15:32 -0500 Elizabeth McCoy writes: > The EPG is simmering. I'm sure that SJ would consider it > aesthetically displeasing to abandon the Superiors books From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:50:54 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> David & Dissonance On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:48:33 -0500 "Robb Kidd" writes: > Not for a Malakite of Stone in service to Protection under > the Angel of the Inviolability of Little Old Ladies What I'm saying is that any Malakite of Stone would know what he's doing, and would probably avoid taking an Oath that would cause him to need to strike first more often than not. From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:02:59 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2433 It's more that most groups have some infiltrators from a variety of different Superiors; almost no group of human origin is completely controlled, ever, by one side. On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:11:11 -0800 daiv writes: > Ask me, the boy scouts are like a Card from INWO, getting > traded (read, fought over) between the sword and Dark Humor, with > occasional stints with Children and Lust. (Note the controversy over homosexual > men and boys in the boy scouts). > Then again, I think a lot of human organizations are that > way in IN From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:22:46 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> Reassigning Servitors, fast-tracking Words? (Re: The Angel of Scouts) Hey, I've flipped the quote this way and that in my head and I still can't figure out what you're asking. Basic point is: March earned a Word for his work, but he isn't Distincted and he doesn't seem to have much of Laurence's favor. The point I was trying to make was that Laurence might not be interested in transferring him to Christopher's service, a view Beth and some others don't take. Actually, I rather like the line of thought Beth followed in her e-mail, and it makes sense that he would want some Swordies in *any* new Archangel's organization, even just to help out until the new Archangel gets his um, wings. >By this, you mean that Laurence wouldn't be too keen on what happened >when...Laurence became an Archangel? > > > > I also don't imagine that Laurence would > > >be keen on letting any of his Servitors transfer to another > > Superior, especially a Servitor who is, by angelic standards, newly > > Word-bound and has yet to actually distinguish himself besides gaining >his Word Thanks, ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools "One alone is much less than half of two." -- Dave Duncan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:35:12 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Alternate Realities > 5. Something else. One of my former players, Doc "Atom Smasher" Roth, came up with a twisted idea that goes something like this: There are multiple Heavens and Earths and Hells across the multiverse, but only *one* Higher Heaven (and presumably, Lower Hell) that they connect to. Unfortunately, once you go up, you can't come down because you know this, and you're drafted.... See, Uriel wasn't recalled to be punished. Oh no. He was promoted and reassigned. Now he gets to handle all the cross-dimensional weirdness that Vapula (or some little-known DP created for this campaign) is bound to cook up. Welcome to In Nomine: Time Trax. - -- Casca Okay, it sounded cooler over the phone. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:51:53 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Hi Guys... >>If the only thing you know about a Superior is from the main book, all his Servitors are going to look very cookie-cutter. Unless of course you take the time to read the Superior description, figure out your own opinions of him/her and use your imagination... - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:56:19 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN> Alternate Realities There were a few more details to the ideas we were kicking around: 1) None of the Superiors were aware of the multiplicity of the planes, save only Yves. Yves knows, but doesn't tell -- one of the reasons he seems so obtuse at times is because he is simultaneously present on all of them, and so says what he thinks is a direct answer to questions asked of him, but it's an answer coming from an combination of infinite perspectives. There is in fact, only one Yves, as there is only one God. 2) There are multiple Lucifers. :) 3) There is one way of crossing to an alternate universe. Way, Way, Way out in the Far, Far, Far Marches, there is an overlap to the next reality. It is theoretically possible that a Celestial could step across that boundary and be in another reality. Of course, it is guarded. By either a gargantuan sentinel with orders to destroy anyone attempting to cross over, or by Uriel himself. Uriel has standing orders from God that the realities are not to interfere with each other. God (apparently) does not want Superiors to know about the alternative worlds: Heveanly Superiors would want to protect or spread their words there, Hellish Superiors would want to use them as another battlefield. If any of the Lucifers (or whoever is running Hell in whatever reality) should find out....it would be _bad_. The story seeds that can be developed from here are extensive. One is the rather standard: A Celestial from another reality somehow manages to get through to this one. This Celestial is a Servitor and is very, very desperate. In his reality, Armageddon has started, and his side is losing. Very badly. His hope is that he can retrieve something (or someone) special from this reality and bring them back to turn the tide. He can't let _any_ Superior get wind of his presence here -- he can't risk their interference, and can't risk breaking the rules again by telling them what God doesn't want them to know. When he runs into the PCs, he can't let them know where he is from. Which is going to be kinda difficult, considering he _is_ one of the PCs.... (or, if you prefer, a PC from a retired IN game). Let him take the PCs back for a short preview of Armageddon, and let them know what happens to the Symphony if they screw up their jobs.... After this adventure, the PC's either go home or get reassigned as Uriel did. It would be interesting to have them get reassigned if they happen to be demons. :) Either way, the first story serves as the 'Djinn out of the Bottle' story, allowing follow ups where Superiors in the PC's world slowly figure out that there is more than one universe out there, and each develops his own plans for them. From there, it could go in _any_ direction... Ryan Roth On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Eric Bertish wrote: > > > 5. Something else. > > One of my former players, Doc "Atom Smasher" Roth, came up with a twisted > idea that goes something like this: > > There are multiple Heavens and Earths and Hells across the multiverse, but > only *one* Higher Heaven (and presumably, Lower Hell) that they connect to. > Unfortunately, once you go up, you can't come down because you know this, > and you're drafted.... > > See, Uriel wasn't recalled to be punished. Oh no. He was promoted and > reassigned. Now he gets to handle all the cross-dimensional weirdness that > Vapula (or some little-known DP created for this campaign) is bound to cook > up. > > Welcome to In Nomine: Time Trax. > > -- Casca > > Okay, it sounded cooler over the phone. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:27:01 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Hi Guys... Good point. I could even write my own game...can't imagine why I spent $30 on the rulebook... On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:51:53 +0800 " Cameron McCurry" writes: > Unless of course you take the time to read the Superior > description, figure out your own opinions of him/her and use your > imagination From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:56:11 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Hi Guys... >>Good point. I could even write my own game...can't imagine why I spent $30 on the rulebook... My statement was an answer to your ealier comment: "If the only thing you know about a Superior is from the main book, all his Servitors are going to look very cookie-cutter." I disagree with that. I think that if you used a bit of thought, you could make Servitors that are distinctive. Just because one angel serves Michael doesn't mean that he's a mindless killing machine, serving Yves doesn't mean that you need to simply be a walking enigma, etc. The Superior books do help, but not having them does NOT limit what you can do. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:00:47 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Hi Guys... At 10:18 PM -0600 11/9/01, toadpooka@juno.com wrote: >On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:15:32 -0500 Elizabeth McCoy > writes: >> The EPG is simmering. I'm sure that SJ would consider it >> aesthetically displeasing to abandon the Superiors books >This ain't good chicken; the Superiors books are, in my opinion, the best >books out there for the game; [...] No, no, that's what I mean. SJ wouldn't want to abandon them, if for no other reason than that the series is half-way through... O:> I'm quite fond of them as well, personally... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:39:20 EST From: StoyboI@aol.com Subject: IN> HELLLP!! Word Forces I thought I knew all there was to know about In Nomine. Boy, was I wrong. What are word forces, where can I find more info on them, and who came up with them? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:56:16 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> HELLLP!! Word Forces From: > > What are word forces, where can I find more info on them, and > who came up with them? Word forces are a way of tracking the relative importance and power of the words that celestials are bound to. For more detail, find a copy of the Gamemaster's Guide. It has a section that summarises them far better than I can right now. :;:) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:13:21 -0800 From: "Brian Rogers" Subject: Re: IN> Alternate Realities Are there multiple Kronoses? Rev. Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan M Roth" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: IN> Alternate Realities > > > There were a few more details to the ideas we were kicking around: > > 1) None of the Superiors were aware of the multiplicity of the planes, > save only Yves. Yves knows, but doesn't tell -- one of the reasons he > seems so obtuse at times is because he is simultaneously present on all of > them, and so says what he thinks is a direct answer to questions asked of > him, but it's an answer coming from an combination of infinite > perspectives. There is in fact, only one Yves, as there is only one God. > > 2) There are multiple Lucifers. :) > > 3) There is one way of crossing to an alternate universe. Way, Way, Way > out in the Far, Far, Far Marches, there is an overlap to the next reality. > It is theoretically possible that a Celestial could step across that > boundary and be in another reality. Of course, it is guarded. By either > a gargantuan sentinel with orders to destroy anyone attempting to cross > over, or by Uriel himself. Uriel has standing orders from God that the > realities are not to interfere with each other. God (apparently) does not > want Superiors to know about the alternative worlds: Heveanly Superiors > would want to protect or spread their words there, Hellish Superiors would > want to use them as another battlefield. If any of the Lucifers (or > whoever is running Hell in whatever reality) should find out....it would > be _bad_. > > > The story seeds that can be developed from here are extensive. One is the > rather standard: > A Celestial from another reality somehow manages to get through to > this one. This Celestial is a Servitor and is very, very desperate. In > his reality, Armageddon has started, and his side is losing. Very badly. > His hope is that he can retrieve something (or someone) special from this > reality and bring them back to turn the tide. He can't let _any_ Superior > get wind of his presence here -- he can't risk their interference, and > can't risk breaking the rules again by telling them what God doesn't want > them to know. When he runs into the PCs, he can't let them know where he > is from. Which is going to be kinda difficult, considering he _is_ one of > the PCs.... (or, if you prefer, a PC from a retired IN game). Let him > take the PCs back for a short preview of Armageddon, and let them know > what happens to the Symphony if they screw up their jobs.... > > After this adventure, the PC's either go home or get reassigned as Uriel > did. It would be interesting to have them get reassigned if they happen > to be demons. :) Either way, the first story serves as the 'Djinn out of > the Bottle' story, allowing follow ups where Superiors in the PC's world > slowly figure out that there is more than one universe out there, and each > develops his own plans for them. > > From there, it could go in _any_ direction... > > Ryan Roth > > > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Eric Bertish wrote: > > > > > > 5. Something else. > > > > One of my former players, Doc "Atom Smasher" Roth, came up with a twisted > > idea that goes something like this: > > > > There are multiple Heavens and Earths and Hells across the multiverse, but > > only *one* Higher Heaven (and presumably, Lower Hell) that they connect to. > > Unfortunately, once you go up, you can't come down because you know this, > > and you're drafted.... > > > > See, Uriel wasn't recalled to be punished. Oh no. He was promoted and > > reassigned. Now he gets to handle all the cross-dimensional weirdness that > > Vapula (or some little-known DP created for this campaign) is bound to cook > > up. > > > > Welcome to In Nomine: Time Trax. > > > > -- Casca > > > > Okay, it sounded cooler over the phone. > > > ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2437 ********************************