in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 14 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2442 In this digest: Re: IN> New Choir Re: IN> Re:Patient 0 Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (1 of 2) IN> A world of magic.... Re: IN> A world of magic.... IN> Spigots Re: IN> New Choir Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance Re: IN> Patient Zero... Re: IN> A world of magic.... Re: IN> Seraphim Re: IN> Project - Silence Re: IN> Project - Silence IN> Speaking of Canon Rulings ... IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> Scenario idea Re: IN> Scenario idea Re: IN> Project - Silence Re: IN> Patient Zero... Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance Re: IN> Scenario idea Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> Patient Zero... Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> Scenario idea Re: IN> Scenario idea Re: IN> Scenario idea Re: IN> Patient Zero... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:11:09 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> New Choir >In their celestial form, Irin appear as mathematical >abstractions. An inspired mathematician might be able >to adequately describe them (to other mathematicians, >at least): others - say, someone who was a liberals >arts major in college - would just see 'a bunch of >pretty curves and some numbers and stuff'. Jean, to a curious Jordi: "Embed a Force as a 1-dimensional manifold into a compact subset of Heaven's infinitely-dimensional space, for example the product of countable copies of the interval [0,1]. Perform this embedding, once per Force, as a knot with knotting number aleph-nought, in the following pattern, taking necessary account of previously encoded Forces: . Impress any desired data, encoded numerically, onto the Force matrix at the following representative points: . Allow to evolve chronologically." "If desired, paint electric blue." Jordi: "*growf*" - ------ Sorry. Couldn't resist. ;^) Basically, I'm picturing them as a set of twisted loops, trees, graphs, spheres, toroids, Klein bottles, and all that other yummy topological goodness, floating around in space and evolving in time. Really should finish writing up that (Arch-?)angel of Mathematics I'm working on, except that I want to make it evocative of the profession without being inacessibly complicated. Yes, Moe, I remember yours too. :^) William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:20:31 -0500 From: "Brian R. Boyko" Subject: Re: IN> Re:Patient 0 At 07:02 AM 11/13/01 +0000, you wrote: >And what is the Ethereal 4th horsemans (pestilence) thoughts on him? > >And why hasnt anyone written the 4 Horsemen as ethereals??? > >Toodles Well, Toodles, we're actually playing in a "revelations" campaign like that right now. The 4 horsemen are ultra-powerful NPCs - in fact, the lowly Mercurian & Ofanite managed to trick Pestilence into killing Kobal - we knew that she was coming for the Bowl of Famine, and would most likely kill whatever stood in between her and the it. We had managed to steal from Haagenti on an "undercover mission" to Hell. So, knowing that she'd get it either way, we tossed the damn thing into Kobal's lap! (Now that's Comedy!) Brian. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:17:56 -0500 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (1 of 2) On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:30:20 -0800 (PST), Maurice Lane wrote: >OK, _somebody's_ messing with reality around here, so >whoever it is, own up. (Raises hand) Sorry, paradox leakage, sorry*. - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) *And no, no esscense for getting the reference. In fact, lose one essence if you DON'T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:37:16 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> A world of magic.... It's times like this Jean wonders what it's like to be a Habbalah. Well basically here's how it went, Kobal and Eli apparently had a running wager on how to restore creativity to the world and simultaneously get the appropriate revenge on Heaven and Hell both the Rogue Archangel and Rogue Prince felt was necessary. Nybbas thought it was positively brillant and Blandine felt it was not a bad thing, the fact that Litheroy was willing to do some paperwork for the whole thing made it all come together.... It's enough frankly to make Dominic want to get out the scotch. To be perfectly honest aside from humanity's initial reactions it's really not that affecting to normal life. Oh of course scientists and People magazine will be running around with it for months if not decades or even centuries but people have apparently become a bit more enlightened since the inquisition or more jaded. More or less the little coalition managed to "out" the war on television then out it in about a few dozen other places such as governments, newspapers, of course religious organizations, and even the ASPCA in one case. Eli made sure that one of his servitors did the interview with Tom Brokov as he took care of all attempts to get rid of the thing and managed to get the Celestial viewing cameras into the hands of legitamate scientists. Nybbas of course had any number of volenteers....can you imagine Lilim or Impudites who turn down a chance for interviews? Heaven and Hell still might have handled it properly if not for the fact coinciding with the Lord of the Rings a large percentage of the gods and goddesses showed up to air their greviances on trash TV (Kobal's touch) against Heaven. The fact that Oberon took the time to sign a treaty with President Bush about the immigration of the Fairy Population to the United States pretty much ensured Heaven had no idea what to do in this case. Sorcerors dying for attention (quite a few are) aired suit and while the smarter ones stayed unidentified quite a few went public and quite a few more were shot or hanged for the whole baby sacrafice thing. Laurence in a surprising move says that while Angels must still maintain secret roles quite a few "public" ones must be maintained as well which will be dealt with through the various bureaus of Celestial affairs. It annoys Laurence to no end that America among others considers demons U.S. citazens who pay their taxes and don't break laws. Professional Demon, Witch, Monster, and Undead slayers of course pop up and quite a few guilds went public. The legal mess over whether or not it is a crime for a citazen to attack another (insanity/justifiable homicide/defense) is going to be more trouble than slavery to the Supreme Court. You wouldn't believe how humiliating it is for several churchs to denounce heaven as aliens masquerading as angels to confuse the believers because "angels don't act like that" Now...anyone have questions on adventure hooks? Lucifer patted Kobal on the back and Dominic....he can't honestly think of a punishment that's fair for Eli and it's giving him quite a bit of dissonance. Right now he's got Senate inquiries to whether or not his promise of eternal paradise to soldiers in the Judicial Legal system constitute graft. Alameon is Litheroy's reward, rumors was that he started melting and Litheroy stepped on what was left. - -Charlemagne Special thanks to Laurel K. Hamilton _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:45:33 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> A world of magic.... - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Right now he's got Senate inquiries to > whether or not his > promise of eternal paradise to soldiers in the > Judicial Legal system > constitute graft. OK, that forced a belly laugh out of me. Happy? ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/13/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:55:23 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Spigots I like the mental image ... no, wait, the mental image is vaguely disturbing. But not as disturbing as the accompanying sounds. :) Moe Spigots Well, perhaps it would be better if we started with what was the intended function for this device. It was a fairly simple notion: Essence is the ultimate holdout weapon, so finding some way to drain it from people would be useful, right? Especially when one has to keep the holder alive and (futilely) kicking for a while. Will-Shackles and Impudites each have their points, but the first is expensive and the second are untrustworthy. - besides, the idea is to have something that couldn't be resisted, period. That was the intent - and, indeed, Spigots more or less accomplish the above. However, there are several problems. Surprisingly, the fact that the original design was Vaputech is not one of them. Spigots don't randomly explode, implode, turn the user bright plaid, eat through everything except tapioca pudding, violate the space-time continuum (well, maybe a little, but not so you'd notice) or do anything similarly obnoxious. The design is, in fact, elegant: one simply acquires a helpless or unconscious target, attach the relic to his or her forehead, affix the attached tube into their own navel and turn the spigot. Out comes the Essence (1 per round), no fuss, no muss, no spoilage. True, it looks a little tacky (or at least looks like a really odd fetish), but that's not the relic's fault. No, the first problem is that it doesn't work on anything that lacks Symphonic Awareness. This makes it impossible to use on regular humans: in fact, using it on a regular human (or on any entity that is currently out of Essence) will result in the user losing all of his or her Essence to his or her "victim". Excess Essence is turned into Disturbance (at the rate of 5 points per note of Essence wasted). This is not the fault of the relic: the documentation clearly warns about this. Second, while the device can be used on an unconscious entity, they'll still feel s u b consciously violated - - and that flavors the Essence. For every note drained, the user will acquire an appropriate Discord (Fear and Angry, usually - though Lustful happens more often than anyone likes to think about)/1. This will last for at a day (or until the note is used). Again, the documentation convincingly proves that this is an unavoidable side effect of the process. Third, well, one cannot expect that any Essence drawn this way is going to reconstitute itself as neatly, correct? Of course not: indeed, the fact that 2 notes of Essence drawn through a spigot take up the metaphorical space of 3 'regular' notes is a triumph of Vapulan engineering. The documentation points out that the prototype had a 1:4 ratio, and that a 1:1 ratio is expected with the next generation of Spigots. There's even a free upgrade offer: just fill out the enclosed card. Finally, most Impudites hate this relic: they've usually got a decent deal going by being mobile Essence batteries for their colleagues, and anything that might break this up is going to be viewed with deep suspicion. As a result, open possession of a Spigot is worth a -5 reaction from any Impudite (including Princes, incidentally). Admittedly, this is not openly stated in the documentation, but any intelligent observer would be able to work it out by the lack of Taker testimonial quotes, or by the fact that it's never been advertised on NTV. All in all, there's no reason to kick and scream because the relic isn't perfect: one works with what one has, and Spigots are useful when properly operated. Besides, anyone who operates a celestial artifact without thoroughly going through the documentation first deserves everything that happens to them. What do you mean, 'What documentation?' ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/13/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Choir - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Irin > (The Witnesses, the Observers, the Igors) Heh. Interesting take. I used the name for a minor Choir, but I but them with Dominic. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance - --- StoyboI@aol.com wrote: > Essence is an attempt to manipulate the symphony. On > many levels, it's basically an attempt to force your will > on the symphony. Strongly disagreed. Spending Essence to improve skill performance is exerting extra effort, which isn't at all dishonest. > what about all those wonderful things involved > in songs and attunements? They are not any fundamental > part of the Seraphim. Basically, if a Seraph ever said, > "I healed him," the poor little serpent would get a note > of dissonance. The Seraph did nothing but sing a Song > and put some power into it. They Symphony did the actual > healing. The same goes with attunements. It isn't the > Seraph doing it, but an aspect of the Seraph's superior. > And that superior got the power from the Word, which got > it from the Symphony. Disagreed again. If the Seraph says, "I healed him," he is giving the most accurate statement that human language can accomodate. The exact phrase in Angelic would be more complex, more precise and closer to the literal truth. Truth is (pun intended), Seraphim don't get Dissonance for being less than perfectly accurate. They get Dissonance for being deliberately deceptive. Which means that they need not utter actual falsehoods; a lie of omission is just as bad. Which is why Seraphim delegate so much of dealing with mortals to the other Choirs; a Mercurian can leave out key details without denying his nature. The War requires Seraphim to operate at a level of tact that isn't necessary in Heaven -- and there's an interesting concept for you. Heaven is a place where much of the etiquette that we're used to is unnecessary. Thus, the Most Holy don't understand social lies. Which is why you never ask a Seraph if those jeans make you look fat. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:31:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Patient Zero... - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Hmmm. I wonder if there's enough celestials on earth > at any given time to justify having disease organisms > that have adapted to vessels? I doubt that disease organisms could adapt to Vessels. Now, having disease organisms _engineered_ to attack Vessels... [runs to Vapula's lab] ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A world of magic.... - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > It annoys > Laurence to no end that America among others considers > demons U.S. citazens > who pay their taxes and don't break laws. An all-too-plausible reaction on the part of America, I'm afraid. More precisely, I can believe that the American government would do such a thing. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:16:02 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim At 12:26 AM 11/13/01 -0600, you wrote: >From: "Brian Rogers" > > > > waiting for the day he could kiss demon ass for real. > >I think you meant "kick" instead. > >But at least the Demon of Typos got some essence from your efforts. ;;;) Dang, looks like Kobal's folks got into the system! :) - -- Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:06:35 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Project - Silence At 12:38 PM 11/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:00 PM -0500 11/12/01, Mike Bruner wrote: > >A substantial number of Tethers are located in places which are NOT good to > >drop a bomb into; the source of Tethers is some sort of fame among humans, > >after all. You start blowing up monuments and such, the government will not > >be amused by the "fighting space aliens" excuse... > >Take that to a logical and paranoid extreme, by an extremist, and you have >Sep. 11 as an attack on Marc... O:/ Well, I wouldn't have brought up THAT one. I do suppose it might mean these guys might try certain strikes under the cover of terrorist activity maybe in the current atmosphere. > >The problem is, while I love the idea of a anti-celestial secret government > >effort, I can't see HOW the thing would last long. > >Leave no witnesses, don't get attuned to, don't get caught. If the whole >thing is run by someone who has a strong Will (natural Soldier? Child >of the Grigori?), and enough strong-willed folk (with captured Force >Catchers?) can be put in key areas, it could last a pretty long time. >Depending on how hard these guys are to root out, compared to how much >damage they do overall, the cost-benefit analysis may require leaving >them in place. You're going to leave plenty of witnesses, since a lot of them will merely wind up in Heaven/Hell (the Malakim won't even face a headache). The strong Will won't make a difference for angelic Resonances like the Mercurian, which just depend on the angel's own Perception IIRC. The captured Force Catchers and such might make a difference, but here again you're doing what I mentioned and giving Project Silence more information than humans would normally be able to possess on their own (How would they even know something IS a Force Catcher? Some overzealous Seraphim labeling the thing? :)). And I think the cost part of the cost-benefit is pretty damn high if it's costing a side Tethers, so I don't think they'd just shrug and let it go. >Or at least enough of them that the darned things keep coming back. > >(Oh, here's another good use for Remnants -- if the GM rules that >they Just Don't Show Up on angelic resonances, you have one of these >dudes (with 3 points in Per and Will, probably; just not a full Force) >in place carefully...) Of course, zap one of these with that Song which temporarily restores Remnants, and you've just probably gained a cooperative contact... >Computer/phone contacts are also good for keeping cells distinct -- a >Mercurian can't track a resonated associate like a Cherub. (Mind, a Kyrio >of Jean can scroffle this -- which is why you need Force Catchers.) There's a reason Bin Laden and his merry bastards went low-tech where possible; computers and phones leave traces behind. If Jean's folks can't wring the info out without resorting to Kyrios, they should bow their heads in shame :). >Why do I have this image of Laurence appearing, resonating these guys >and seeing that they're "combatting an alien menace," and getting this >"I _so_ want to pound my head on the wall" expression? > >Michael'd just smack his forehead and roll his eyes. O:> Well, if they hurt any of his people I get the feeling Michael would smack THEIR foreheads. Personally I would think an Archangel would have SOME way of persuading a human of the truth unless the human is particularly crazy ("Look - *lift* "See? Heaven! There's your Aunt Beatrice waving to you. Happy?" *drop*). If it was that hard to show somebody the truth about the War, I'd think recruiting Soldiers would be impossible to manage. Of course, this whole discussion is putting ideas for the Demon of Scepticism into my head :). - -- Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:57:34 +1000 From: "Shane" Subject: Re: IN> Project - Silence On 12 Nov 2001, 22:00, Mike Bruner wrote: > >True (and Seraph of Flowers is my favorite attuenment), but Novalis > >probably has better things for her servitors to do than pull guard > >duty at tethers of War and the Sword. They don't need to pull guard duty at tethers of War, they can simply be called in when the angel with the Malakim of War attunment hears danger coming - assuming the Warriors aren't planning their own rather more violent welcome... and I'd be surprised if more than a few of Michael's Tethers didn't have at least one celestial with that attunment on duty. And for any of the Words, there's the Cherubim. Or isn't anyone attuning to the Seneschals? Have I missed something that would make that a bad idea? Though I do like the whole idea, really, in a poor 'so close to yet so far from the truth' souls grrrr kind of way. :) Shane. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:07:39 +0000 From: "Jonathan Walton" Subject: IN> Speaking of Canon Rulings ... Will we ever get one on the current existence/nonexistence of Magog? I've been wondering about that one for a while. Rev 5 leaves it open for him to either get toasted by Gabriel or somehow manage to stay alive, hiding out in Beleth's corner of the Marches. Gabby's S3 writeup doesn't mention anything and it's probably wishful thinking to hope it'll be covered in the EPG (whenever that comes out). Personally, I'm always in favor of having more Shedite Superiors, since there are so few (though more than Habbalah Superiors, sadly). Just a thought. Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:55:05 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Question for GM's - how many of your PC's use watches? Not something your ever thought about? Nor had I, until it struck me: When a Celestial changes or leaves their Vessel, it stays unchanging: you got it, the watch isn't ticking. Sure, that isn't a major problem when they're leaving Earth for an extended period of time, no more than when flying around the globe, it'll obviously need changing. But - if they go Celestial for short periods of time, say for Celestial combat, to get into locked buildings, search sewers etc, they're watches will be a few minutes behind; not long, true - just long enough to miss that flight, or bus, or appointment... Have fun :-) James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:58:18 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Scenario idea Hi, I am busy turning the book "I know this much is true" by Wally Lamb into an In Nomine scenario. I have set it into the present time and changed the Gulf War with the war in Afghanistan. I don't know how many on this list are familiair with this book so I shall give a short summary of my scenario concept: The lead character is Dominick Birdsey, whose subdued life is disturbed in October 2001 when his identical twin brother Thomas, a paranoid schizophrenic whose condition is complicated by religious mania, commits a shocking act of self-mutilation by cutting of his right hand in the city's public library as a sarcifice to try to stop the Western world in starting a war in Afghanistan. After this incident his twin brother Thomas is taken to a maximum security mental insititute where he will be judged by a committee if he should be either locked up forever (as if he is a threat to society) or if he should be allowed back into society under close supervision. A couple of Archangels have taken an interest in Thomas, namely: * Laurence - Because Thomas' sacrifice was a very honorable act and done in the name of God and it shouldn't be devalued by explaining it as a crazy act done by a madman. Also, if Thomas wasn't mentally unstable he might be prime Soldier material (on the other hand, when was mental stability a requisite for this job). * Yves - Because Thomas is on the brink of either reaching is Destiny or his Faith, depending on the outcome of the commitee's verdict. * Michael - I am not sure yet but I think Michael will be interested as a human's Destiny is closely linked with his involvedment in the war in Afghanistan. So, Heaven has decided to sent in a group of Angels with the objective of helping Dominick, to make sure that Thomas will reach his Destiny (Yves) and that his sacrifice will be seen by others as a very noble and honorable act done in the name of God (Laurence). Things get complicated as the Angels will discover that they can only make Thomas reach his Destiny by helping Dominick in reaching his. They have to ensure that Dominick accepts himself and his life which is no easy feat considering his crippled past (the torments inflicted on him and Thomas by an abusive stepfather, a luckless marriage and the crib death of his infant daughter) and his current situation with his brother. On top of that, there are a couple of nasty Demons working in the mental institute tormenting the patients (amongst others, a Calabite and a Habbalah) and Kronos has taken an active interest in Thomas' Faith. Now, my questions are: - - How does this sound as a scenario? - - Does anyone see any problems arising? - - Does anyone have additionel ideas to add to the scenario? - - Comments/suggestions? Cheerio, Donato ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:43:30 +0000 From: "R L" Subject: Re: IN> Scenario idea Hi... >Now, my questions are: >- How does this sound as a scenario? Interesting, although it may take a bit of effort to pull it off. >- Does anyone see any problems arising? How are you gonna make it clear to the players that they have to deal with Thomas to make things work? >- Does anyone have additionel ideas to add to the scenario? I have a certain love for mental institution, so if possible I'd make the institution itself a major part of the scene if not the scenario. I'd paint it all out and make the institution a gloomy and scary place. Maybe even to the point that the players see it as having a life of it's own. Plotwise explanation: Either because of all the souls that have suffered there and let their crazy visions influence the symphony inside the building. OR... Because the demons posing as nurses and stuff have made sure the place is "their" turf... OR... Just because you feel like it. >- Comments/suggestions? In a plot like this it is important the the players at some point "get it". By experience players are slow animals that need all hints at least three times before they hook onto them. Therefore... Have plenty of clues ready in case they wander of the beaten path... Otherwise a cool idea for a scenarion that might be a bit different as it seems they can't just "power" themselves out of it... Ron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:03:04 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> Project - Silence Hey, I just had a bizarre and twisty thought... >There's a reason Bin Laden and his merry bastards went low-tech where >possible; computers and phones leave traces behind. If Jean's folks can't >wring the info out without resorting to Kyrios, they should bow their >heads in shame :). Yves's Library has a copy of everything ever written, from the Great Books to (I presume) chunks of wall on which grafitti has been spray-painted. (Well, okay, that might be pushing it a bit). What if Yves had advance knowledge of the Sept. 11 attack? Which he couldn't divulge, for reasons worth going into... Hmm, if anyone else wants to run with this, I wouldn't object. My plate's full at the moment. But if no one else will, I'm adding this to my to-do list... ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:02:12 +0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> Patient Zero... >From: Michael Walton > > Hmmm. I wonder if there's enough celestials on earth > > at any given time to justify having disease organisms > > that have adapted to vessels? > > I doubt that disease organisms could adapt to Vessels. >Now, having disease organisms _engineered_ to attack >Vessels... [runs to Vapula's lab] Well Makatiel had already managed it. That was one of the crucial pieces of data The Game did _not_ supply to Judgement when they made the joint attack on his corporeal palace. - -FallenSeraph When the Heavenly Disco plays, You'll see God move in Mysterious Ways... http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:13:19 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance From: "Michael Walton" > Which is why you never ask a Seraph if those jeans make > you look fat. Mmmh, that is an interesting question..... How would the different Choirs (and the Words they serve) react when they are standing in a fashion store and a woman asks them if those jeans make her look fat? Would it make it any difference if she was more than average size? Cheerio, Donato ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:31:32 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Scenario idea From: "R L" > How are you gonna make it clear to the players that they have to deal with > Thomas to make things work? Well, for a start with the briefing the Angels get when they are assigned to the mission. They can/will figure out that the redemption of Thomas is linked with his brother by activating their Resonances and/or deduction. This last one is tricky and I expect that I have to give them some very clear hints. > I have a certain love for mental institution, so if possible I'd make the > institution itself a major part of the scene if not the scenario. I'd paint > it all out and make the institution a gloomy and scary place. That was my idea also. Basically, the scenario revolves around the physical location of the institution. I don't want the place to be infested by Demons as I believe that one well-placed Habbalite in such a place is enough to create havoc. That is also why I won't turn it into a Tether. Humans are more than capable by themselves to turn such a place into a living hell. > In a plot like this it is important the the players at some point "get it". > By experience players are slow animals that need all hints at least three > times before they hook onto them. Therefore... Have plenty of clues ready in > case they wander of the beaten path... Yes, I agree. It is a difficult scenario so I don't have any problems with giving my players some obvious clues. What matters is which choices/decisions they make when they "get it". Thanks for your feedback! Cheerio, Donato ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... - --- james walker wrote: > if they go > Celestial for short periods of time, say for Celestial > combat, to get into > locked buildings, search sewers etc, they're watches will > be a few minutes > behind; not long, true - just long enough to miss that > flight, or bus, or appointment... Oh... my... BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank you, this is priceless! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:12:30 -0500 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> Patient Zero... On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:31:00 -0800 (PST), Michael Walton wrote: > I doubt that disease organisms could adapt to Vessels. >Now, having disease organisms _engineered_ to attack >Vessels... [runs to Vapula's lab] SPARKY: (Whimpers) NOOOOO! DESTORY HIM! - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:12:37 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... >From: "james walker" >Question for GM's - how many of your PC's use watches? Very good point. I've also seen how in CoC the Migo cause periods of 'missing time' when they abduct someone... if you wanted to be a sick or cruel GM, you could allow for the watch to be interrupted when a person's possessed, the song of (Transfiguration/Rapture?) is used on them, etc. If you're running a crossover IN-CoC campaign (like I am) it just gives the investigators a few more problems to ponder over. For that matter, that field of entropy that all Calabim have surrounding them is good for make a watch none too accurate... or turning it into a compass, or... Have even more fun. Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:06:05 +0000 From: "R L" Subject: Re: IN> Scenario idea >>Well, for a start with the briefing the Angels get when they are assigned >>to >the mission. They can/will figure out that the redemption of Thomas is >linked with his brother by activating their Resonances and/or deduction. >This last one is tricky and I expect that I have to give them some very >clear hints. Hmmm... ok.. I'd angle it a little dectective like, perhaps a bit 1920's but not, if you know what I mean. Also fits perfect for the mental institution. Run it with a lot of Jazz, perhaps a slow sax or something, and break it off with bits from the Dark City soundtrack or something equally suiting. >Basically, the scenario revolves around the physical >location of the institution. I don't want the place to be infested by >Demons >as I believe that one well-placed Habbalite in such a place is enough to >create havoc. That is also why I won't turn it into a Tether. Humans are >more than capable by themselves to turn such a place into a living >hell. I agree. Less is more. >Yes, I agree. It is a difficult scenario so I don't have any problems with >giving my players some obvious clues. What matters is which >choices/decisions they make when they "get it". True. Sound like you have a good thing going here... >Thanks for your feedback! Any time. That's what this list is for anyway.. :) Ron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:11:02 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Scenario idea Donato Ranzato wrote: > Now, my questions are: > - How does this sound as a scenario? > - Does anyone see any problems arising? > - Does anyone have additionel ideas to add to the scenario? > - Comments/suggestions? The main thing I notice is that you have set yourself a major roleplaying task -- pure roleplaying, with little in the way of tactics, action, or die-rolling involved. We often talk, on the list, about angels and demons battling for individual souls, and this is just such a scenario. Like most such, this involves confronting the target soul, and thus the PCs, with powerful moral and emotional issues. And this will have to get played out. Very rewarding, if you can pull it off, but very intense. Of course, you COULD have the psychodrama happen off stage, while the PCs match resonnances and Songs against the demonic NPCs to keep the demons off Dominick's back and Thomas's, but that's likely to look like an anticlimax. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:32:25 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Scenario idea From: "Earl Wajenberg" > Very rewarding, if you can pull it off, but very intense. True. The moral decisions is what I like best in In Nomine. My intention is to use the two demons in the institution ( a Calabite security guard and a Habbalite social worker) as a bit of comical relief and to let the more warlike Angels blow of some steam :-) Also, I will throw in the occasional party of Kronos' goons and maybe a visit or two by Angels of Dominic to keep the players on their toes and to relief the intensity. > Of course, you COULD have the psychodrama happen off stage, while > the PCs match resonnances and Songs against the demonic NPCs > to keep the demons off Dominick's back and Thomas's, but that's > likely to look like an anticlimax. I hope that my PC's will get the hint that they should act in a subtle way. But knowing the nature of PC's that is not likely to happen. I predict that at the end of the scenario there is a large hole where the institution used to be :-) Is anybody interested in this scenario when I am finished with it? Cheerio, Donato ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:38:00 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Patient Zero... Michael Walton wrote: > --- Maurice Lane wrote: >>Hmmm. I wonder if there's enough celestials on earth >>at any given time to justify having disease organisms >>that have adapted to vessels? > I doubt that disease organisms could adapt to Vessels. > Now, having disease organisms _engineered_ to attack > Vessels... [runs to Vapula's lab] Didn't this come up Sunday in our slew of microbial conspiring, Moe? "If a Kyrio or Shedite possesses a bacterium and sings the Song of Fruition, does the offspring have a chance of becoming a nephilim?" "Could be that's how the Black Plague started?" "Or might the offspring have the chance to acquire an extra force and become a bacterium Soldier of God/Hell?" "What? A la Osmosis Jones?" (See what you miss when you go off to concerts, Adams?) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2442 ********************************