in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 14 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2443 In this digest: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> A world of magic.... IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (1 of 2) IN> Re: Project Silence Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> Speaking of Canon Rulings ... Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance Re: IN> Scenario idea Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (1 of 2) Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Pt. 1 Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (1 of 2) Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Pt. 1 Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Pt. 1 Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) Re: IN> Scenario idea Re: IN> Project - Silence Re: IN> Speaking of Canon Rulings ... Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) IN> kiss of death/life was Re: Canon Rulings Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... IN> Exploding Malakim (Re: Check you watches, gentlemen...) Re: IN> Re: Project Silence Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:41:16 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... james walker wrote: > But - if they go > Celestial for short periods of time, say for Celestial combat, to get into > locked buildings, search sewers etc, they're watches will be a few minutes > behind; not long, true - just long enough to miss that flight, or bus, or > appointment... [grunt] Good point. Time to upgrade to a wrist GPS device. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:12:41 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> A world of magic.... LoL! Thanks! Its usefull and funny. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:40:59 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) (cont'd from previous post...) Higher Distinctions Marou's higher Distinctions are only available to her Word-bound, and are never granted to Servitors who aren't attractive enough to meet her standards. Marquis of the Self Marquises of Vanity recognize all other Servitors of Vanity on sight, whether or not they are hidden in vessels. This does not work on holders of higher Distinctions, or on Marou herself, unless they choose to be recognized by the Marquis. Count of Self-centeredness Marou's second-highest ranking Servitors are given the most responsibility in her organization (and are expected to carry out these duties, too, unlike the Duchesses). As a result, they are granted the ability to travel from place to place through the use of mirrors. By spending (total Forces) Essence, a Count of Vanity can walk into a mirror and exit via another mirror at MOST (total Forces + Word-Forces, if not using Word-Forces, double total Forces) miles away. Both mirrors must be large enough to accommodate the celestial, and both mirrors must be mirrors that the Count has looked into before. Disturbance is generated at both endpoints. Duchess of Solipsism Marou's inner circle is composed entirely of demons who tend to think of themselves as female. Cliquish, exclusivist and all indescribably beautiful, the Duchesses of Vanity are forces to be reckoned with. On a successful Will roll, they may force others to obsess over them. This is similar to Marou's Impudite attunement, but works on line-of-sight and is much, much more long-term. The CD of the Will roll determines the time, in months, that the target is enthralled. Celestials may resist with a Contest of Wills. Marou's Duchesses are, of course, all enthralled in her own version of this Distinction, and are thus utterly loyal to her. Needless to say, Marou doesn't expect much from them...they just make convenient targets for others to attack. Relations Alone of the Impudite Princes, Kobal has earned the ire of the Princess of Vanity. His jokes involve destroying a person's ego and self-esteem, something antithetical to Marou's Word. The Prince of Dark Humor has taken note and is taking steps to counter her influence in Hell. Allied: Andrealphus, Nybbas (Andrealphus considers himself allied to Marou) Associated: no one (Nybbas and Malphas consider themselves associated with Marou) Neutral: all else, except Hostile: Kobal, Saminga (Kobal is hostile to Marou) Rites - - Spend three hours grooming yourself. - - Talk about yourself for one hour. Expanded Rites Marou grants these to demons who have her favor. - - Create a mirror. - - Give someone a makeover (without the use of the Makeover attunement). - - Sell someone $100 worth of beauty products. - - Spend three hours working out. - - Teach someone to use makeup. - - Walk down the ramp in a fashion show. - - Create or update a Web site devoted to a celebrity. - - Create or update a personal Web site. Chance of Invocation: 2 Invocation Modifiers: +1 A mirror +2 A makeup kit +3 Ten glossy fashion magazines +4 Three racks of designer clothing +5 A unique article of clothing +6 A major fashion show Hope you enjoyed. Questions, comments, feedback? ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:38:37 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (1 of 2) Hey, Thanks for the feedback...much appreciated. Oh, and before I forget, I liked those Songs of Dimensions. The Celestial version especially intrigues me...possibilities, possibilities... On to Marou: > > Makeover > > This attunement works like the Celestial Song of Form, > > except that this may > > affect others besides the Balseraph. > > I assume that you mean, "others besides the demon?" But >at least I know what your first idea for the Balseraph of >Vanity Attunement was. };> Oooooops. Yup. Fixed in the final version (which will be up on my Web site as soon as I get it HTMLized). Thanks for pointing it out. If I'd left it as the Balseraph attunement I'd have restricted it, and I had mostly restricted attunements when I started out. I didn't want another Khalid. > > Eye of the Beholder > > By paying 1 Essence, the holder of this attunement can > > see how others > > perceive themselves. This effect lasts for 1 hour and > > can be used to > > detect other celestials -- especially those without > > Roles! Habbalah will, > > of course, confuse the demon with this attunement. > > An automatic Celestial detector is a game-breaking power >no matter who has it. This definitely needs to be toned >down if it's to be playable. Gah. I liked the name, but I see your point. Oh well. Here's the replacement: Eye of the Beholder By paying 3 Essence, the demon may force an unwitting target to experience reality differently. The world will seem to revolve around him -- his every wish is anticipated and fulfilled. He will find a wallet full of money in the middle of an empty street, with no identification available. Supermodels will leave messages on his answering machine. This lasts for 24 hours, after which the effects mysteriously vanish...the money fades back into the Symphony, the models' phone numbers turn out to be bogus, and the person is left wanting more. This is, of course, all a sophisticated illusion that other celestials will be able to see through with a successful Perception roll. This attunement may also be used on its owner -- something a great many self-indulgent demons of Vanity have discovered. Pretty similar to Cult of the Self, but I think the differences are enough to justify this attunement's being added to the list. Now on to the other portion of Marou's writeup... Thanks, ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:33:51 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Re: Project Silence Finally decided to unlurk on this one... I've been reading through the Project Silence threads, and I've come to the conclusion that Project Silence could exist in the standard In Nomine world, but only conditionally. For one thing, in it's current form, Project Silence would only be in Transition as it goes from ignorance of The War to Understanding it fully. At this point, they only know of the existance of "Aliens" having infiltrated Human society to exert some form of Influence; they don't really know what they are, or what they're trying to accomplish. But as they keep striking at both Angels and Demons, destroying tethers and capturing Soldiers, they're collecting more and more pieces of Information... They know there are two "Alien" groups, which seem to be in opposition. If they're paying attention, they'll realize one group is actually trying to help humans and encourage social evolution into a more benevolent society (Angels), while the other group is more aggressive, encouraging moral and social decay while preparing a military take-over of the Earth (Demons). (Or, if you're playing a backwards game, one group is encouraging the creation of a monolithic, autocratic government denying free will [Angels] while the other is encouraging Individuality and personal freedom [Demons].) So now they know that one group of Aliens is "friendlier" to Humanity then the other. Sound strategic reasonning suggests that rather then mindlessly attacking both groups, one should contact the "friendly" group to start negociations. At which point, it mainly depends on the qualities of Project Silence's leaders; if they're honorable, religious folks, they'll negociate with Heaven; if they're greedy, manipulative bastards, they'll start talks with Hell. ....But as others have mentionned, there are always other forces in question; The Ethereals, the Watchers, Sorcerors, etc... Could go either way... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:08:44 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... At 21:55 +1100 11/14/01, james walker wrote: > When a Celestial changes or leaves their Vessel, it stays unchanging: you >got it, the watch isn't ticking. Sure, that isn't a major problem when >they're leaving Earth for an extended period of time, no more than when >flying around the globe, it'll obviously need changing. There are a number of variants of this that we've played with a bit, including the "Malakite bomb": you start with a Malakite with a cheap spare vessel. Add a good-sized bomb in a backpack or whatever. The Malakite turns on the bomb's timer, waits for it to count down close to zero, and then switches to his primary vessel, suspending the countdown and concealing the bomb. The next time he's surrounded by demons that he can't otherwise cope with, he simply switches vessels.... This is probably a Windy trick, mostly. Oh, a note for the Jeanites out there: there are a few timing based devices that will be very messed up by "gaps" in time. The one that immediately comes to mind is a credit-card-sized device called a "SecurID", which is used by some companies (including the one I work for) as a way of generating one-time passwords to get through the company's firewall. SecurID cards are basically digital watches, whose time value is encrypted before display. They depend on the fact that time advances at approximately the same rate for the card as for the firewall password-validation system. Oops. Any computer running the Network Time Protocol (which includes Macs running OS X) will also get very confused, since NTP estimates the computer clock's drift rate relative to the time references, and generates a correction factor. The result would be a computer clock that runs very fast for a while to compensate for each "gap". (Probably the Jeanites have hacked their NTP implementations to fix this, though. Or they just have a GPS receiver in their machines.) - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:11:51 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of Canon Rulings ... Jonathan Walton wrote: > > Will we ever get one on the current existence/nonexistence of Magog? I've> been wondering about that one for a while. Not likely. It was deliberately left vague in Revelations, with the implication being that he died, but leaving wiggle-room for GMs who still want to use him. I doubt he'll show up again in canon. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:28:34 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... First of all, is this "watches stop" thing actually canon? And second of all, is the "Malakite bomb" idea also canon? I think it's *wonderful!!!* I don't see why it should be confined to Malakim of the Wind. Malakim of War and Stone would love it too. In fact, any celestial with a willingness to enter Trauma, the proper motivation, and preferably a high Will could do it. I think it would be angels much more often than demons, because while demons are more likely to have the high Will, they're much less likely to have either the motivation or the willingness to enter Trauma. Angels know they're safe while they're in Trauma, while demons ... Janet Anderson * * * * And they shall rebuild the old ruins, They shall raise up the former desolations, And they shall repair the ruined cities ... Isaiah 61:4 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: ydobyns@princeton.edu Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Donato Ranzato wrote: > From: "Michael Walton" > > > Which is why you never ask a Seraph if those jeans make > > you look fat. > > Mmmh, that is an interesting question..... > > How would the different Choirs (and the Words they serve) react when they > are standing in a fashion store and a woman asks them if those jeans make > her look fat? > > Would it make it any difference if she was more than average size? The surprising Seraphic answer: "No." Regardless of actual body type. She's not asking if she *is* fat. She's not even asking if she *looks* fat (a matter of subjective opinion). She's asking if *the jeans* make her look fat. And *any* human being -- even an advanced anorexic -- looks fat to the aesthetic sense of a serpent-formed Seraph. Regardless of wardrobe. Ergo, the jeans are not the reason why she looks fat to the Seraph, and the Truthful answer to the question is "No." (It will be considered the mark of a clueless Earth-newbie to give the fuller Truthful answer, "No, you look fat to me no matter what you're wearing.") York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance - --- Donato Ranzato wrote: > How would the different Choirs (and the Words they serve) > react when they > are standing in a fashion store and a woman asks them if > those jeans make her look fat? > > Would it make it any difference if she was more than > average size? To a Seraph, definitely. The Most Holy would either give a truthful answer or (for those with enough Corporeal experience) evade the question. As to the other Choirs... Cherubim: if she was his Attuned, he would naturally answer in a way that would protect her feelings. Ofanim: would mumble something in passing and not stick around to see if she understood it. Elohim: would Resonate the woman first and answer based on her current emotional state. Malakim: would probably tell the truth even if she were "plus sized," but would almost certainly do it politely -- which is the honorable thing to do. Kyriotates: would never give an answer that would upset the woman enough to leave the Host in a bad spot. Mercurians: would simply say, "no." They have no trouble telling social lies. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:31:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Scenario idea - --- Donato Ranzato wrote: > Is anybody interested in this scenario when I am finished > with it? I'd love to hear how it turns out. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:35:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (1 of 2) - --- Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > Oh, and before I forget, I > liked those Songs of Dimensions. Danke sehr. > Eye of the Beholder > By paying 3 Essence, the demon may force an unwitting > target to experience > reality differently. The world will seem to revolve > around him -- his > every wish is anticipated and fulfilled. This is more balanced -- and I can see it as being _very_ addictive for mortals. Shoot, I know people IRL who would sell their souls for a daily hit of this. Nice to see another Attunement that's less about giving angels cool perks than about winning souls, which is the real point of the War. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:40:48 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) Duchess of Solipsism is really nasty, but it makes so much sense that Marou uses it on the Servitors who are in the best position to take her down. I also like her Rites, though the celebrity website one is kinda reaching, IMHO; how does such a thing serve one's vanity? Of course, it makes perfect sense if her Word includes pumping up other people's vanity. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:40:30 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... From: "Janet Anderson" > > And second of all, is the "Malakite bomb" idea also canon? I think it's > *wonderful!!!* > > I don't see why it should be confined to Malakim of the Wind. Malakim of > War and Stone would love it too. And for those of us playing around in Moe's "Tattered" universe, it makes the perfect strategy for Malakim of Resistance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:45:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... And let's not forget "Host lag" that Kyrios and Shedim might experience. Depending on how tuned in to the Host they are, there could well be noticeable effects when they possess a Host that is radically different from the last one. For example: Going from a man into a woman or vice versa; Going from an adult to a child or vice versa; Going from a Human to an animal or vice versa; (Flowers only) going from any animal, including a Human, into a plant or vice versa; Going from an air-breathing Host to a water-breathing one or vice versa. I'm sure that y'all can come up with more. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:59:18 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... Michael Walton wrote: > > And let's not forget "Host lag" that Kyrios and Shedim > might experience. Depending on how tuned in to the Host > they are, there could well be noticeable effects when they > possess a Host that is radically different from the last > one. For those who read the Diskworld books by Pratchett, "host lag" would probably resemble the effects on Granny Weatherwax after she has been out "borrowing" animals -- tries to fly up or down stairs after borrowing a bird, tries to smell someone's mood after borrowing a dog, etc. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:03:20 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Pt. 1 "So, what's the plan this time? Surely you bright boys can come up with something, right?" Zemuviel looked over at the Balseraph in the chair next to his. Biting back his initial urge to throttle the hellspawn, he swallowed before speaking. "Zachariah, let me assure you that first, if I had a plan in mind, the first thing that I would love to incorporate into it would be taking a large brick and beating you with it until you either died or became so silent that I could not tell the difference. Secondly, the devices that I'm bound with are just as good as yours, so it's not like I can just jog up to Heaven and tell somebody to come get us. Third, and I think I've said this the last four times we were actually awake and in the same room together, if any of you hellspawn have an idea as to how we get out of this, I'd really love to hear it." Another voice spoke up. "Look, you damn Seraph - it's not going to do any of us any good to be bitching about how we managed to screw up and get ourselves into this. It'll be a lot more useful to figure out what we know about these folks, so that the first one out of here manages to..." "You people don't get it! We're doomed! This is what we deserve for failing in our devotion to - A chorus of voices screamed in unison - "SHUT UP, ABBESIAL!" "Stupid Habbalite!" "Worthless Freak, stop whining!" "Damn Punishers..." There was a moment of silence before a deep baritone spoke "Go on, Ricardo. You were saying?" The Impudite smiled. "Thanks. Look, all I'm saying is that if one of us dies, that person has a chance to tell _somebody_ about what's going on down here. Not like we can kill one another at the moment, but if somebody gets the chance..." A female voice spoke up. "You know, somebody has to have noticed that we're gone by now. It's only a matter of time before someone checks our Hearts and then..." Another female voice cut her off. "Illogical to assume that." A third woman spoke up "Really, Sallah? And how did your flawless Elohite reasoning bring you to this conclusion? Or did God just up and clue you in?" Sallah looked over at the latest speaker. "Denise, perhaps your energy would be better used by breaking our restraints so we can simply leave. Have you considered this option?" Denise looked back at the Power, rolled her eyes and then laid her head back. "After long and deliberate consideration of that brilliant idea of yours, I recall that the last time I tried that, the guards came into the room less than 10 seconds later. They then blew out _my_ kneecaps, before doping me up again for the next several weeks. I note that your kneecaps did not have this happen to them, and even though this may be just a vessel, it still hurts, and it's a bit hard to concentrate when you're getting shot." After a few moments fuming, she spoke again. "Besides, these Will Shackles are a real pain in the ass to work through, you know? I'd love to get my hands on the jerk who sold 'em to these humans." The first female voice chuckled. "I hear that, but I wouldn't be bitching too much. You boys and girls get stuck in one place, all you get is inconvenienced. I'm gonna be turning into a damned toad if I don't get out of here soon. That or Fallen." Ricardo spoke up "Hey, I'd always be glad to welcome another Mercurian over to the dark side, but given the circumstances and all, I'll pass. How's the Discord coming anyway, Janelle?" After a few seconds contemplation, "Well, I'm not sure. I've got the mood swings to be a Habbalite, green and blue polka-dotted skin for a Lilim, and the horns to be a Calabite. Oh, and I glow like a friggin' christmas tree too. I look freakish enough that I might not ever notice if I'd fallen, but I'll tell you one thing..." The deep baritone spoke. "What's that, Janelle?" "At least if I get back to Heaven, Janus will actually notice me for once." The baritone smiled. "True enough. I've been able to do a little work on the artifacts - it's not much, but I can tell you this much. A human made these things, which tells me he had help getting the material. I've managed to place an attunement on him through the artifact, but I don't know much about him. He's close by - I want to say about 300 yards above and to the left of me. A high-pitched tenor stammered out - "If, if only we had a, a, a Kyrio. That'd sh-sh.." The Balseraph looked over. "Easy on that coffee there, ace. One might think you had a stuttering problem - is it the pretty girls in here that get a good catholic boy like you nervous, or is it the fact that you can feel the walls closing in on you? You've been holding still for, what - two months now? Just a bit tense there, eh? Come on, it's ok kid. Not scared, are y-" "Everyone in this room is scared, Zachariah. Including you. Even I must admit to a certain amount of unease, although I would not characterize it as fear. Not precisely, anyway." Denise looked over at the Elohite. "And what, pray tell, would you characterize it as?" Sallah sighed before slumping back into her seat. "I would characterize it as the sinking realization that those of us in this room are so skilled at our respective jobs that our co-workers and our Superiors will probably not even think twice about the fact that they haven't heard from us lately. We have all received enough independence that a few years, or even a few decades might pass before anyone thinks to come looking for us. It's also my opinion based on observations I've made that none of us are important enough that things will fall apart if we're gone. Objectively, this is a good situation for our respective realms. Subjectively -" "Subjectively, we're screwed. Is that what you were thinking? Screwed?" Sallah turned to face the discordant Mercurian. "Do you know, that's the first time I believe I can ever honestly say I've agreed with a Habbalite on something? It's rather disconcerting, actually..." Janelle blinked a few times. "Isn't being disconcerted by something also subjective?" "Yes. Hence my concern." (continued in part 2) Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:36:30 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (1 of 2) Eye of the Beholder Truley wicked! I LIKE it! Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:11:19 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Pt. 1 Very, very good story, even if I find this whole thread very depressing. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:17:39 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Pt. 1 From: "Jeffery Watkins" > Very, very good story, even if I find this whole thread very depressing. Exactly my thoughts.......... but please continue :-) Cheerio, Donato ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:45:27 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) > I also like her Rites, though the celebrity website one is kinda > reaching, IMHO; > how does such a thing serve one's vanity? Go take a look at Melanie Griffith's website sometime. Most self serving piece of tripe to ever clog the net. Of course, the fact that I suspect her to be an Impudite of Media that sucks peoples careers dry doesn't help matters... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:06:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Scenario idea At 10:43 AM +0000 11/14/01, R L wrote: [...] >>- Does anyone have additionel ideas to add to the scenario? > >I have a certain love for mental institution, IIRC... Liber Castellorum, and this week's (and next week's) Pyramid have material that deals with mental institutions... I think LCast even has a crude map? (While you might not want to use the _settings_, some human characters, and the map, might give some ideas. [...] >the place is "their" turf... OR... Just because you feel like it. Remnant Seneschals sometimes "inhabit" their Tethers... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:05:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Project - Silence At 1:06 AM -0500 11/14/01, Mike Bruner wrote: >At 12:38 PM 11/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >>Leave no witnesses, don't get attuned to, don't get caught. [...] > >You're going to leave plenty of witnesses, since a lot of them will merely >wind up in Heaven/Hell (the Malakim won't even face a headache). This is why you wear masks (or other disguises) and shoot them from behind. Really, now... [...] >normally be able to possess on their own (How would they even know >something IS a Force Catcher? Some overzealous Seraphim labeling the thing? >:)). Probably by getting lucky and capturing a "Kyrio Cabinet" on an early raid, and interrogating the prisoner(s) within... >And I think the cost part of the cost-benefit is pretty damn high if >it's costing a side Tethers, so I don't think they'd just shrug and let it go. It depends on whether or not they're taking down a _lot_ of Tethers, or otherwise causing more havoc than it's worth to uproot them... And if they really _are_ costing many Tethers, or just managing to inconvenience the staff a lot. ("Drat it, that's the fifth Seneschal in Trauma in as many years. Send in the Kyrio Reinforcemnt brigade to keep the place out of the Other Side's hands, and pretend we've gone away till those stupid X-filer Men In Black give up...") >>Or at least enough of them that the darned things keep coming back. >> >>(Oh, here's another good use for Remnants -- if the GM rules that >>they Just Don't Show Up on angelic resonances, you have one of these >>dudes (with 3 points in Per and Will, probably; just not a full Force) >>in place carefully...) > >Of course, zap one of these with that Song which temporarily restores >Remnants, and you've just probably gained a cooperative contact... Might -- or might get a bitter one, who felt abandoned by his side, and is sympathetic to the humans who took him in... >>Computer/phone contacts are also good for keeping cells distinct -- a >>Mercurian can't track a resonated associate like a Cherub. (Mind, a Kyrio >>of Jean can scroffle this -- which is why you need Force Catchers.) > >There's a reason Bin Laden and his merry bastards went low-tech where >possible; computers and phones leave traces behind. If Jean's folks can't >wring the info out without resorting to Kyrios, they should bow their heads >in shame :). Kyrios are just the _easy_ ones. (We've had one in our games. Gads. Now you know why Force Catchers _exist_...) > >>Michael'd just smack his forehead and roll his eyes. O:> > >Well, if they hurt any of his people I get the feeling Michael would smack >THEIR foreheads. Oh, sure. Right after expressing his very True frustration at the idiocy of well-meaning humans... O:> >[...] If it was that hard to show somebody the truth about the >War, I'd think recruiting Soldiers would be impossible to manage. Impossible? Nay -- many people are probably perfectly willing to believe in angels and demons, or something along those lines which Needs Their Help. Of course, these Silence people are recruited and indoctrinated in the idea that they're fighting weirdo aliens... >Of course, this whole discussion is putting ideas for the Demon of Scepticism >into my head :). - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:05:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of Canon Rulings ... At 9:07 AM +0000 11/14/01, Jonathan Walton wrote: >Will we ever get one on the current existence/nonexistence of Magog? Can't think why we'd need to... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:05:56 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... At 9:55 PM +1100 11/14/01, james walker wrote: >Question for GM's - how many of your PC's use watches? [...] > When a Celestial changes or leaves their Vessel, it stays unchanging: you >got it, the watch isn't ticking. Good reason to have one of those watches that samples the radio waves to get the right time, eh? Then again... "Hm. What's this burger-flipper doing with _that_ kind of expensive watch, Joiel?" "Dunno, Janiel. Let's catch him after work and... ask." - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:11:50 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > Allied: Andrealphus, Nybbas (Andrealphus considers himself allied to Marou) > Associated: no one (Nybbas and Malphas consider themselves associated with > Marou) > Neutral: all else, except > Hostile: Kobal, Saminga (Kobal is hostile to Marou) No Enemies? This is a Demon Princess, after all. That means room for five lines. - -- Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:16:19 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> kiss of death/life was Re: Canon Rulings > >Will we ever get one on the current existence/nonexistence of Magog? >Can't think why we'd need to... O:> emccoy Is this the emccoy kiss of death to magog? A kind of silent :well why should we write him up? he's dead: Or is it more of a kind of :well he MIGHT be dead, you never know: If only sjg would have a stable world setting, where defined things have happened and will happen. is it rail roading? well that all depends on the ST really. WW get away with it, and books are after all only ideas and hints after the main rule book. Much like IN, but IN has no deffinites (sp?). Til another time, Cas MY In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Check you watches, gentlemen... - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > "host lag" > would probably resemble the effects on Granny Weatherwax > after > she has been out "borrowing" animals -- tries to fly up > or > down stairs after borrowing a bird, tries to smell > someone's mood after borrowing a dog, etc. Exactly. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:15:55 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Exploding Malakim (Re: Check you watches, gentlemen...) At 6:28 PM +0000 11/14/01, Janet Anderson wrote: >First of all, is this "watches stop" thing actually canon? No time passes for the vessel, or items, which is "swapped out" -- so the watches are a needful result. (Relic watches might always be on the "active" vessel, or automatically catch up.) If time _did_ pass for a vessel which was in "potentiality," then you'd have to worry about things like holding bombs with that vessel, food spoilage, clothing becoming old and rotten... >And second of all, is the "Malakite bomb" idea also canon? I think it's >*wonderful!!!* Well, it's up to the GM, but I can't see any way to prevent it without ruling that vessels in potentiality _do_ experience time... and then how do you explain that mysterious explosion? (Besides, in _that_ case, Malakim will simply set the bomb timer for a good long duration and walk into a demonic stronghold and sit around smirking until they mysteriously explode. Malakim with a sense of humor will find a way to do this buck naked. This will, naturally, lead to a series of Dave Barry columns...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:11:04 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Project Silence At 11:33 PM -0500 11/13/01, Rolland Therrien wrote: [...] >If they're paying attention, they'll realize one group is actually trying to >help humans and encourage social evolution into a more benevolent society >(Angels), while the other group is more aggressive, encouraging moral and >social decay while preparing a military take-over of the Earth (Demons). > >(Or, if you're playing a backwards game, one group is encouraging the >creation of a monolithic, autocratic government denying free will [Angels] >while the other is encouraging Individuality and personal freedom [Demons].) If you're playing a Dark game, one group is "encouraging the creation of a monolithic, autocratic government denying free will [Angels]" while the other is encouraging "moral and social decay while preparing a military take-over of the Earth (Demons)." O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and resonance - --- ydobyns@princeton.edu wrote: > The surprising Seraphic answer: "No." Regardless of > actual body type. > > She's not asking if she *is* fat. She's not even asking > if she *looks* > fat (a matter of subjective opinion). She's asking if > *the jeans* make her look fat. [slaps head] You're so right. I should've thought of that. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2443 ********************************