in_nomine-digest Thursday, November 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2444 In this digest: IN> Existance of Magog Re: IN> Project - Silence IN> Re:Legal Demons IN> Re: Novalis on the Front lines IN> Re: Spigots IN> R: eMagog IN> Re: Stop Watches IN> Re:Diseases Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) Re: IN> Re: Magog Re: IN> Project - Silence Re: IN> R: eMagog Re: IN> Re: Magog IN> Oduma (long first post) IN> Oduma Superiors (much shorter second post :-) ) Re: IN> Re:Diseases Re: IN> R: eMagog Re: IN> Re: Stop Watches Re: IN> Project - Silence Posting (Was Re: IN> Oduma (long first post)) Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Pt. 1 IN> Song of Overlooking Re: IN>Shedite Princes (was eMagog) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:00:13 -0600 From: "Sean Gallagher" Subject: IN> Existance of Magog I think the reason alot of ppl want to get a canon answer, is that fact that Magog's return to hell would no doubt have pretty big reprucussions on the IN Universe. There seems to be a general reluctance to advance the setting in any significant way. The only real arguable ones i can see are the establishment of Furfur as a demon prince, and the events of the final trumpet, but both were minimized by Furfur being a minor superior and the most of the events of FT didnt happen in canon. I don't know if this is due to the view of time in IN, that nothing so significant can really happen in such a short time, an unwillingness of the authors or editors, or SJ, i dunno who to clear up some notions filed in CDAU, ie the status to Eli, Gabriel, Uriel, the Grigori...the nature of GOD, Lucifer, the upper heavens and lower hells,etc. Or it may just be that somebody believes that the setting is generally fine as is and would get FUBAR'd if anybody messed with it. I dunno. Personally, I have liked pretty much every IN book. The first 3 parts of Revelations Cycle didnt seem much like a cycle, and there hasnt been much in the way of production for IN, but I like the game. I would really just like to see it go somewhere. It feels kinda dead or at least in a coma atm. Sorry if im rambling here...this is a bit offtopic, and I really hope i didnt insult anyone who works with the line directly, Beth, David, etc... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:17:04 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Project - Silence At 07:03 PM 11/14/01 +0800, you wrote: >Hey, > >I just had a bizarre and twisty thought... > >>There's a reason Bin Laden and his merry bastards went low-tech where >>possible; computers and phones leave traces behind. If Jean's folks can't >>wring the info out without resorting to Kyrios, they should bow their >>heads in shame :). > >Yves's Library has a copy of everything ever written, from the Great Books >to (I presume) chunks of wall on which grafitti has been >spray-painted. (Well, okay, that might be pushing it a bit). What if >Yves had advance knowledge of the Sept. 11 attack? Which he couldn't >divulge, for reasons worth going into... I would have to think if the Library really does possess everything ever written, then even Yves would have to take time to sort things through (unless he IS God, in which case not sharing things he knows is pretty much SOP ;)). Small items like written notes would probably be low priority at best, maybe given to those angels of Yves on punishment duty or who just want a quiet boring job (after all, imagine what it'd be like if EVERY Post-It note ever written made it up to Heaven?). Newly acquired items might also come in unsorted, which prevents easily tagging writings from certain individuals from being tracked more closely. You definitely need some reason to keep this from being an easy way to find things out, or else you've got the ability to foil any demon foolish enough to write anything down. Still, a great plot seed could be a bunch of bored angels sifting through notes when, all of a sudden, one of them notices something interesting... :) - -- Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:25:43 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:Legal Demons > - --- Charles Phipps wrote: >> It annoys >> Laurence to no end that America among others considers >> demons U.S. citazens >> who pay their taxes and don't break laws. > From: Michael Walton > An all-too-plausible reaction on the part of America, I'm > afraid. More precisely, I can believe that the American > government would do such a thing. Preferable to "Lynch on Sight" orders! Imagine how many mundanes would be killed accidentally! Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:28:52 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Novalis on the Front lines > On 12 Nov 2001, 22:00, Mike Bruner wrote: >> >True (and Seraph of Flowers is my favorite attuenment), but Novalis >> >probably has better things for her servitors to do than pull guard >> >duty at tethers of War and the Sword. Really? I can't imagine anything...imagine "Poor dear, Michael; no matter, I'll protect you, that what cherubs do best!" :-) Isn't amazing how we always seem to feel respectful at war graves, memorials, ceremonies and so on...so unwilling to create a fuss, start a fight....I wonder who is handling security for the Heaven's big tough guys.... Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:19:02 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Spigots > Subject: IN> Spigots A good idea. One idea I've used in the past is using Alchemy to add the "Sacrifice for Essence" ritual to a weapon - a nice, simple item which you can buy in Hell or The Marches as well as earth. The obvious problem is that by the time you've killed an opponent, they've normally burnt all of their essence. Ah well. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:37:45 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> R: eMagog > Personally, I'm always in favor of having more Shedite Superiors, since > there are so few (though more than Habbalah Superiors, sadly). Let's see: 3 & 1/2 Liars, 2 Djinn, 4 Calabim, 2 & 1/2 Habbalah, 2 & 1/2 Shedim, 3 Impudites. We're pretty short on Djinn, but otherwise it's pretty balanced. Mind you, keeping Magog strikes me as a good idea, so that his write up isn't wasted. Heaven needs more Kyriotates (one! Count him!) and maybe Elohim. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:53:06 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Stop Watches > And second of all, is the "Malakite bomb" idea also canon? I think it's > *wonderful!!!* Another variant, which can be used with either Vessel changes or Scabbard, is to heat a weapon white hot. This is especially useful for Ofanim of Fire (or anyone with that attunement) as Belial's attunements only grant immunity to flame, not heat. If you want an exploding Malakite, and your Davidian has Kyriotate of Stone, consider checking whether thermite/magnesium etc count as stone. An Outcast could detonate repeatedly, forming new vessels in Limbo every few weeks. Cheers, James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:23:53 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:Diseases > - --- Maurice Lane wrote: >> Hmmm. I wonder if there's enough celestials on earth >> at any given time to justify having disease organisms >> that have adapted to vessels? > > I doubt that disease organisms could adapt to Vessels. Why not? Do Vessels decay once slain? If so, then a disease can evolve to consume dead Vessels more efficiently, before making the jump to eating live Vessels. If not, then the secrecy of the War is endangered. It'd probably be no more difficult to evolve to eat live Vessels than to eat plastic. Mind you, the immune system of a Vessel will be tough! Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:19:46 +0000 From: Sam Kington Subject: Re: IN> Marou, DP of Vanity (2 of 2) Cameron McCurry wrote: > > I also like her Rites, though the celebrity website one is kinda > > reaching, IMHO; > > how does such a thing serve one's vanity? > > Go take a look at Melanie Griffith's website sometime. Most self > serving piece of tripe to ever clog the net. Gack. Eargghh. Ouch. Yuck. Bleargh. (Weird how so many of these onomatopeia have accepted spellings.) The number of photos of her and Antonia Banderas make me think that she is, inded, an Impudite. (Leeching off his fame etc.) Unless, of course, she's a Djinn... Sam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:07:09 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Magog At 11:37 AM +1100 11/15/01, james walker wrote: >Mind you, keeping Magog strikes me as a good idea, so that his write up >isn't wasted. No one said _all_ his people got offed, right? So there's always people running around with his attunements. (And c'mon, we all know those are the fun bits... O:> ) >Heaven needs more Kyriotates (one! Count him!) and maybe Elohim. That should be, "One! Count them!" I mean, we're talking _Jordi_ there. Jordi in a class by themself... O:> And yes, I'm in a weird mood right now... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:34:19 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Project - Silence >>Yves's Library has a copy of everything ever written, from the Great Books >>to (I presume) chunks of wall on which grafitti has been >>spray-painted. (Well, okay, that might be pushing it a bit). What if >>Yves had advance knowledge of the Sept. 11 attack? Which he couldn't >>divulge, for reasons worth going into... > > >I would have to think if the Library really does possess everything ever >written, then even Yves would have to take time to sort things through >(unless he IS God, in which case not sharing things he knows is pretty much >SOP ;)). Small items like written notes would probably be low priority at >best, maybe given to those angels of Yves on punishment duty or who just >want a quiet boring job (after all, imagine what it'd be like if EVERY >Post-It note ever written made it up to Heaven?). Newly acquired items >might also come in unsorted, which prevents easily tagging writings from >certain individuals from being tracked more closely. You definitely need >some reason to keep this from being an easy way to find things out, or else >you've got the ability to foil any demon foolish enough to write anything >down. Still, a great plot seed could be a bunch of bored angels sifting >through notes when, all of a sudden, one of them notices something >interesting... :) > >-- >Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com Imagine a Hall of the Library, like a vast ruined cityscape, bearing chunks of wall with graffiti on them.... ....a cavern full of glassed-in trays of sand, wherein lies every message toe ever gouged into beach.... ....mannequin body parts, neatly organized by epoch and owner, bearing the images of every word ever tattoo'ed.... ....vast cloudscapes, wherein skywriting is held frozen in shape for all eternity. Now, as the Library reorganizes itself frequently, the most (likely) important, new, or relevant information is easier to find, whereas the older, less relevant, and less important stuff is shuffled off back into the farther corners. It still exists, it's merely harder to find, probably with good reason. This could prevent *everything* from flopping about interfering with an investigation. There's also the question of what constitutes writing -- does the Library maintain a record of every state a computer has ever been in, intermediate calculations and all? If a criterion is desired, that of human consciousness is probably the best. That knowledge which a human mind was aware of encoding iconically, and decoding iconically, into new knowledge in another mind, makes it into the Library. This makes it include Post-it Notes, although at least not time-dependent information like those inside a computer. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:05:39 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> R: eMagog > Heaven needs more Kyriotates (one! Count him!) and maybe Elohim. I'm working on it. Maybe one day my Archangel of Souls will see daylight. - -- Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:10:24 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Magog Here's a curious question, and if it's *fnord*ed I'll certainly understand. Why are there no Lilim Princesses? Now, the lack of Bright Lilim Superiors is reasonable -- they're rare angels to begin with. Obviously, Sun-Cross is taking a whack at these, and we've seen plenty of them in fanfic. But I've wondered for a while now why canon didn't have a single Lilim Princess. Is there some reason they can't be raised? Does Lucifer have some motivation not to do so? Or is Mommy keeping the competition down? Mmm, ruthless.... William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:05:56 -0800 From: "Christopher Hughes" Subject: IN> Oduma (long first post) - --=_A7FD6238.4524566D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline OK, upon assembling an In Nomine campaign that's currently at 116 pages in = MS Word at 10-point font, I have actually developed an IN world and am = somewhat interested in what ya'll think. I plan to write some fiction in = this world and maybe run some campaigns in it, without the preceding = campaign. I post it in the hopes of stimulating some of ya'll's imaginatio= ns and pens :-) Get some more ideas and whatnot. First, I must make a disclaimer that this actually evolved out of stealing = many many adventures, plots, story seeds, and campaigns (both fleshed out = and ideas) from online. The setting, however, starts out as effectively = canon IN, with one addition: the Archangel of Silence, Duma, who is the = manifestation of God's self-doubt. Second, a description of my personal tie-every-RPG-I-will-ever-play = together idea. In the beginning, before the worlds, before even time, = there was only the Mists of Creation, floating in the SHadows Beyond the = Worlds. At some point, none know wxactly when as it was before time, the = Mists congealed into the worlds of the First. There was no over-ruling = thought process forming the world, no creator god or mother goddess, just = the natural action of the Mists. As this happened, the Shadows Beyond the = Worlds, as shadows are wont to do, filled in the cracks and empty places = of the Mists, forming a world of their own, known as Elixe. After 10,000 years of the First and its sentient races, magick, and life, = the planets of the First, for an unknown reason, broke from their orbits = and sped towards one particular planet, Sigil, hollow planet and meeting = place of the gods. Smashing into the surface of that planet, the First = sent the gods into comatose forms and created what is known on most Earths = as the Big Bang. It created all the worlds, realities, and dimensions of = the multiverse. In addition, it created the Nowhere That is Where the = Gods Live. It is only billions of years after the Collision, as it is known, on one = of the Earths where exist angels and demons, locked in a War for humanity. = As this War comes to its end, the celestial community is rocked with = upheavals before, during, and after what has become known as the First = Final Battle. Combining the Joke that God told him eons ago and his own = sense of humor, the Demon Prince Kobal plays a joke that results in this = Battle, as well as the Redemption of three Demon Princes, the return of = the Tsayadim and even Novalis's transformation into a Malakite (Oops + = Revelations). Several romances rock the scene, notably Novalis and = Michael and Blandine and Laurence (whose plans to wed cause Beleth to = Redeem). Furthermore, as part of the general escalation of the War, a = celestial causes the destruction of so much property that the Symphony = (this world's metaphor for the Mists) is shredded, denying celestials = access to Heaven and Hell. (Spending too much time on unoriginal stuff, must move on) About fifty = years after the First Final Battle (during which the world resembles the = Dark Victory setting), the Preservers, which, while still pretty badly = off, did not take their loss quite so horribly, make another attack on the = Destroyers, the Second Final Battle. No Preservers are killed, as the = levels of organization are much better in New Heaven than among the Magog- = and Furfur-led forces of Hell and Dis. During this Second Final Battle, near its conclusion, Duma, who hasn't = spoken in eons, since the Fall in fact, stands before Kronos, burning his = gaze into the Demon Prince of Fate's. The returning look was one of = resignation and acceptance. Duma turns to Lucifer, who has now Redeemed, = and says, "What you did to start the War, I do to end it." Lucifer nods = and Duma turns back to Kronos, dagger suddenly in hand, and he stabs it = deep into his old friend. Kronos nods and fades from the battlefield. Yves, tears in his eyes, walks to Duma and hugs him. "You chose wll, my = brother," he says. Duma pushes Yves from him, throws the dagger at his = feet, and tells him, "Leave, walk the paths of probability as only you and = I can now. Never return. Leave this world to me." Yves, tears still = flowing but now for completely different reasons, turns and walks out of = existence, leaving the blooded dagger behind him. And Duma had made his = choice, for, as none but perhaps Yves, and maybe the PCs of the long = campaign, knew, Yves was the first Emanation of God, the Metatron the = second, and Duma the third. When the Metatron was killed by Lucifer, it = was made a Remnant and discovered by the exiled Archangel of Light much = later. He sacrificed many of his own Forces to rebuild the Mouth of God, = naming it Kronos. Prophecy had always said that the third would choose, and so the third = did. His choice, to reject both Yves and Kronos, had some rather, = interesting consequences. The Symphony now became the Silence; the Mists, = the Shadows. This Earth, known later as Oduma after its creator, had = switched. Therein lies the setting, with no War but new lands in a = strange place, a backwards and dark, shadowy place, trying to get along = and rebuild. This is just a (not-so-)quick outline, I will, hopefully, be working on = Superior writeups, fiction, characters, etc. for it as well as welcoming = any and all ideas from ya'll. Fighting for War is like Fucking for Peace, They Are Us, We Are Them, Peace in Afghanistan! Not Jobless, Not Worthless, Just Homeless. By Flower, Bush, and Tree, Wherever you go, Whoever you be, Blessed be, Chris Hughes Stacey Everheart, Flurp, Grok Amiri, Tristissima. - --=_A7FD6238.4524566D Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXT.htm"
OK, upon assembling an In Nomine campaign that's currently at 116 pages in MS Word at 10-point font, I have actually developed an IN world and am somewhat interested in what ya'll think.  I plan to write some fiction in this world and maybe run some campaigns in it, without the preceding campaign.  I post it in the hopes of stimulating some of ya'll's imaginations and pens :-)  Get some more ideas and whatnot.
First, I must make a disclaimer that this actually evolved out of stealing many many adventures, plots, story seeds, and campaigns (both fleshed out and ideas) from online.  The setting, however, starts out as effectively canon IN, with one addition: the Archangel of Silence, Duma, who is the manifestation of God's self-doubt.
Second, a description of my personal tie-every-RPG-I-will-ever-play together idea.  In the beginning, before the worlds, before even time, there was only the Mists of Creation, floating in the SHadows Beyond the Worlds.  At some point, none know wxactly when as it was before time, the Mists congealed into the worlds of the First.  There was no over-ruling thought process forming the world, no creator god or mother goddess, just the natural action of the Mists.  As this happened, the Shadows Beyond the Worlds, as shadows are wont to do, filled in the cracks and empty places of the Mists, forming a world of their own, known as Elixe.
After 10,000 years of the First and its sentient races, magick, and life, the planets of the First, for an unknown reason, broke from their orbits and sped towards one particular planet, Sigil, hollow planet and meeting place of the gods.  Smashing into the surface of that planet, the First sent the gods into comatose forms and created what is known on most Earths as the Big Bang.  It created all the worlds, realities, and dimensions of the multiverse.  In addition, it created the Nowhere That is Where the Gods Live.
It is only billions of years after the Collision, as it is known, on one of the Earths where exist angels and demons, locked in a War for humanity.  As this War comes to its end, the celestial community is rocked with upheavals before, during, and after what has become known as the First Final Battle.  Combining the Joke that God told him eons ago and his own sense of humor, the Demon Prince Kobal plays a joke that results in this Battle, as well as the Redemption of three Demon Princes, the return of the Tsayadim and even Novalis's transformation into a Malakite (Oops + Revelations).  Several romances rock the scene, notably Novalis and Michael and Blandine and Laurence (whose plans to wed cause Beleth to Redeem).  Furthermore, as part of the general escalation of the War, a celestial causes the destruction of so much property that the Symphony (this world's metaphor for the Mists) is shredded, denying celestials access to Heaven and Hell.
(Spending too much time on unoriginal stuff, must move on)  About fifty years after the First Final Battle (during which the world resembles the Dark Victory setting), the Preservers, which, while still pretty badly off, did not take their loss quite so horribly, make another attack on the Destroyers, the Second Final Battle.  No Preservers are killed, as the levels of organization are much better in New Heaven than among the Magog- and Furfur-led forces of Hell and Dis.
During this Second Final Battle, near its conclusion, Duma, who hasn't spoken in eons, since the Fall in fact, stands before Kronos, burning his gaze into the Demon Prince of Fate's.  The returning look was one of resignation and acceptance.  Duma turns to Lucifer, who has now Redeemed, and says, "What you did to start the War, I do to end it."  Lucifer nods and Duma turns back to Kronos, dagger suddenly in hand, and he stabs it deep into his old friend.  Kronos nods and fades from the battlefield.
Yves, tears in his eyes, walks to Duma and hugs him.  "You chose wll, my brother," he says.  Duma pushes Yves from him, throws the dagger at his feet, and tells him, "Leave, walk the paths of probability as only you and I can now.  Never return.  Leave this world to me."  Yves, tears still flowing but now for completely different reasons, turns and walks out of existence, leaving the blooded dagger behind him.  And Duma had made his choice, for, as none but perhaps Yves, and maybe the PCs of the long campaign, knew, Yves was the first Emanation of God, the Metatron the second, and Duma the third.  When the Metatron was killed by Lucifer, it was made a Remnant and discovered by the exiled Archangel of Light much later.  He sacrificed many of his own Forces to rebuild the Mouth of God, naming it Kronos.
Prophecy had always said that the third would choose, and so the third did.  His choice, to reject both Yves and Kronos, had some rather, interesting consequences.  The Symphony now became the Silence; the Mists, the Shadows.  This Earth, known later as Oduma after its creator, had switched.  Therein lies the setting, with no War but new lands in a strange place, a backwards and dark, shadowy place, trying to get along and rebuild.
This is just a (not-so-)quick outline, I will, hopefully, be working on Superior writeups, fiction, characters, etc. for it as well as welcoming any and all ideas from ya'll.
 
Fighting for War is like Fucking for Peace,
They Are Us,
We Are Them,
Peace in Afghanistan!
 
Not Jobless,
Not Worthless,
Just Homeless.
 
By Flower, Bush, and Tree,
Wherever you go,
Whoever you be,
Blessed be,
Chris Hughes
Stacey Everheart,
Flurp,
Grok Amiri,
Tristissima.
- --=_A7FD6238.4524566D-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:18:01 -0800 From: "Christopher Hughes" Subject: IN> Oduma Superiors (much shorter second post :-) ) - --=_EBB12E09.D5B4C6FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Just to give ya'll an idea of what Oduma is like, here is a list of = currently active Superiors (and former Superiors), along with Choir/Band = and current Word. Nota bene Duma has declared demons are necessary to the = Silence, first of all to prevent another War and, secondly, because, = occasionally, it is necessary to put one's own self above others', to be = selfish rather than selfless. Both, in his eyes, are necessary to the = Silence, though the presence of demons does worry him a bit. Alaemon, Impudite Demon Prince of Secrets Andrealphus, Impudite Demon Prince of Lust Beleth, Cherub Archangel of Fear Belial, Ofanite Archangel of Cleansing Blandine, Cherub Archangel of Dreams Christopher, Cherub of Dreams, Angel of Children David, Malakite of Silence, Angel of Stone Dominic, Balseraph Demon Prince of Cleansing Duma, Emanation Archangel of Silence Eli, Mercurian Archangel of Creation Gabriel, Calabite Demon Prince of Wrath Haagenti, Ofanite Archangel of Gusto Janus, Ofanite Archangel of the Wind Khalid, Habbalite Archangel of Fanaticism Kobal, Mercurian Archangel of Laughter Lilith, Human Archangel of Freedom Litheroy, Seraph Archangel of Revelation Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light Lynoure, Djinn Demon Princess of Shadow Shapes Malphas, Kyriotate Archangel of Individuality Mammon, Balseraph Demon Prince of Greed Marc, Mercurian of Light, Angel of Trade Mariel, Cherub of Gusto, Angel of Appreciation Maurice, Calabite Demon Prince of Heresy Novalis, Malakite of Light, Angel of Flowers Nybbas, Impudite Demon Prince of the Media Saminga, Kyriotate Archangel of Fulfillment Valefor, Calabite Demon Prince of Theft Vapula, Habbalite Demon Prince of Technology Fighting for War is like Fucking for Peace, They Are Us, We Are Them, Peace in Afghanistan! Not Jobless, Not Worthless, Just Homeless. By Flower, Bush, and Tree, Wherever you go, Whoever you be, Blessed be, Chris Hughes Stacey Everheart, Flurp, Grok Amiri, Tristissima. - --=_EBB12E09.D5B4C6FC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXT.htm"
Just to give ya'll an idea of what Oduma is like, here is a list of currently active Superiors (and former Superiors), along with Choir/Band and current Word.  Nota bene Duma has declared demons are necessary to the Silence, first of all to prevent another War and, secondly, because, occasionally, it is necessary to put one's own self above others', to be selfish rather than selfless.  Both, in his eyes, are necessary to the Silence, though the presence of demons does worry him a bit.
 
Alaemon, Impudite Demon Prince of Secrets
Andrealphus, Impudite Demon Prince of Lust
Beleth, Cherub Archangel of Fear
Belial, Ofanite Archangel of Cleansing
Blandine, Cherub Archangel of Dreams
Christopher, Cherub of Dreams, Angel of Children
David, Malakite of Silence, Angel of Stone
Dominic, Balseraph Demon Prince of Cleansing
Duma, Emanation Archangel of Silence
Eli, Mercurian Archangel of Creation
Gabriel, Calabite Demon Prince of Wrath
Haagenti, Ofanite Archangel of Gusto
Janus, Ofanite Archangel of the Wind
Khalid, Habbalite Archangel of Fanaticism
Kobal, Mercurian Archangel of Laughter
Lilith, Human Archangel of Freedom
Litheroy, Seraph Archangel of Revelation
Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light
Lynoure, Djinn Demon Princess of Shadow Shapes
Malphas, Kyriotate Archangel of Individuality
Mammon, Balseraph Demon Prince of Greed
Marc, Mercurian of Light, Angel of Trade
Mariel, Cherub of Gusto, Angel of Appreciation
Maurice, Calabite Demon Prince of Heresy
Novalis, Malakite of Light, Angel of Flowers
Nybbas, Impudite Demon Prince of the Media
Saminga, Kyriotate Archangel of Fulfillment
Valefor, Calabite Demon Prince of Theft
Vapula, Habbalite Demon Prince of Technology
 
Fighting for War is like Fucking for Peace,
They Are Us,
We Are Them,
Peace in Afghanistan!
 
Not Jobless,
Not Worthless,
Just Homeless.
 
By Flower, Bush, and Tree,
Wherever you go,
Whoever you be,
Blessed be,
Chris Hughes
Stacey Everheart,
Flurp,
Grok Amiri,
Tristissima.
- --=_EBB12E09.D5B4C6FC-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re:Diseases - --- james walker wrote: > a disease can evolve to consume > dead Vessels more efficiently, before making the jump to > eating live Vessels. This assumes that Vessels decay by the same mechanism that normal bodies do, which has not been addressed in canon. > It'd probably be no more difficult to evolve to eat live > Vessels than to eat > plastic. Mind you, the immune system of a Vessel will be > tough! Vessels have a biochemical base that is radically different from that of normal bodies. Remember, they don't need food or water; they subsist on air alone. Whatever qualities of Vessels allow that, that difference alone is probably enough to foil every pathogen in existence. The same problem of chemistry would stymie reducers, too. It's likely that the decay of Vessels is a direct result of the cessation of breathing; the one thing that the Vessels needs to sustain it is removed, so it loses its structural integrity. Result: rapid decay. A side effect of this is the _requirement_ that Vessels in potentiality experience no time. A Vessels that isn't occupied doesn't breath, and if the Vessel isn't breathing, it breaks down. Thus the statis effect which literally suspends the Vessel between breaths. Alternately, the death of the Vessel transubtantiates it to normal flesh -- at which point the reducers take over and normal decay begins. This has the advantage of being simpler and more elegant, but smells a bit like a deus ex machina to me. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:24:57 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> R: eMagog - --- james walker wrote: > Let's see: 3 & 1/2 Liars, 2 Djinn, 4 Calabim, 2 & 1/2 > Habbalah, 2 & 1/2 Shedim, 3 Impudites. > > We're pretty short on Djinn, but otherwise it's pretty > balanced. Hmmm. I'll have to write up a Djinn Prince sometime. > Heaven needs more Kyriotates (one! Count him!) and maybe > Elohim. Which is why I wrote up Vocatiel as an Elohite. I don't have any good ideas for Kyrio AA's yet, though. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Stop Watches - --- james walker wrote: > If you want an exploding Malakite, and your Davidian has > Kyriotate of Stone, > consider checking whether thermite/magnesium etc count as > stone. Nope. Thermite is a synthetic compound. Magnesium is an element, but doesn't appear as stone in its pure form, IIRC. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:29:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Project - Silence - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > Imagine a Hall of the Library, like a vast ruined > cityscape, bearing chunks > of wall with graffiti on them.... > > ...a cavern full of glassed-in trays of sand, wherein > lies every message > toe ever gouged into beach.... > > ...mannequin body parts, neatly organized by epoch and > owner, bearing the > images of every word ever tattoo'ed.... > > ...vast cloudscapes, wherein skywriting is held frozen in > shape for all eternity. This is a WONDERFUL image! Thank you! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:37:24 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Posting (Was Re: IN> Oduma (long first post)) This sounds like an interesting idea, but before I respond to it (in a different post), there are three things that I feel obliged to bring up. 1) You seem to be posting in both text and HTML, or attaching an HTML version of the email to the email itself. (With Eudora, I'm not quite sure.) Please make sure that you're posting only in text; attaching files is also frowned upon. 2) Your signature is somewhat excessive in length. A message footer should never really be longer than four lines in length. 3) Your signature contains what seems to be inappropriate language. Please be aware that vulgarity like that isn't particularly welcome here. The list rules should have been sent to you when you subscribed (and please let the list moderator, Elizabeth McCoy, know if they weren't - you can get them by sending an email to majordomo@lists.io.com with "info in_nomine-l" in the body); they can also be found at www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html (which does contain some text which the majordomo version does not - Beth, please note!). Cheers, EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Pt. 1 - --- Michael Cleveland wrote: > "Do you know, that's the > first time I believe I can ever honestly say I've agreed > with a Habbalite on > something? It's rather disconcerting, actually..." > > Janelle blinked a few times. "Isn't being disconcerted by > something also subjective?" > > "Yes. Hence my concern." [rubs bruise from where he fell out of the chair laughing] Oh, thanks a lot, Mike. 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:17:26 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Song of Overlooking Yeah, it's a bit munchkinish (although the high Essence cost and Disturbance should keep that down a bit), and the basic idea was almost certainly sparked by s u b conscious contemplation of W:tA's Delirium, but what the heck. :) Moe Song of Overlooking (Celestial) The Song of Overlooking takes advantage of the normal human tendency to ignore or selectively edit anything that simply makes no coherent sense. While this Song is in effect, the target may use his, her or its supernatural abilities without any real fear of detection by normal humans: every time an 'impossible' activity is performed in front of humans, the observers must make a Will Roll at -3 to successfully perceive it. A failed roll will result in the observer coming up with some sort of rationalization that explains away the anomaly. As an added benefit, mechanical recording devices will also simply fail to register the target's supernatural activities. The catch, however, is that this Song only works on humans without Symphonic Awareness: everyone else (and this will include animals) doesn't even need to roll. It's also Essence hungry, and quite loud. This Song is currently banned: while very useful, it encourages the worst sorts of sloppiness. Both Dominic and Asmodeus have spent far too much time cleaning up after disasters spawned by this Song to tolerate the use of it. Unfortunately, both sides took a little too long to decide to stamp out use of the Song of Overlooking: just as unfortunately, fairly solid rumor suggests that most Superiors have let their own most favored Servitors keep it... Bonus: Balseraph Available: Officially, nobody. Essence Requirement: 5 Duration: CD hours Degree of Disturbance: 4 x CD ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/13/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:19:12 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN>Shedite Princes (was eMagog) I'm surprised at the number of Calabite Princes. Most of them seem pretty bent for destruction; I wouldn't think enough would survive long enough to reach Princedom. While I've been into IN for a few years, I've only recently begun eating supplements. Who are all these extra Princes? I just finished Superiors 4, so I know about Alaemon, Mammon, and Fleurity...Who're the others? From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2444 ********************************