in_nomine-digest Wednesday, July 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2448 In this digest: Re: IN> Thanks Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Part 2 Re: IN>Magog Re: IN> Thanks IN> Makatiel the really really icky. IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2445 Re: IN> A world of magic.... Re: IN> Punishment Rites Re: IN> Alien Race Re: IN>Magog Re: IN> Re: IN >Shedite Princes (was eMagog) Re: IN>Shedite Princes (was eMagog) RE: IN> Punishment Rites Re: IN> The Word of Secrets (was Shedite Princes) Re: IN> Re: Magog IN> Even more I N updates IN> Taster: Seed & NPC Re: IN> Taster: Seed & NPC Re: IN> Existance of Magog Re: IN> Existance of Magog Re: IN> Existance of Magog Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Part 2 Re: IN> Taster: Seed & NPC Re: IN> Taster: Seed & NPC Re: IN> Existance of Magog IN> Bright Lilim. Re: IN> Punishment Rites Re: IN> Bright Lilim. IN> Re: A world of Magic/Influencing Politics IN> Re: Lilim Princesses IN> Re: Makatiel Re: IN> Re: A world of Magic/Influencing Politics IN> ?'s about Raphael Re: IN> ?'s about Raphael Re: IN> ?'s about Raphael Re: IN> Bright Lilim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:55:56 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Thanks At 2:45 PM -0800 11/15/01, Jim Burzelic wrote: >Aside from my gratitude, who can I talk to for In >Nomine permission uses? Depends on what you want to do... Check http://www.sjgames.com/general/online_policy.html for most things, and with me for others... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:05:24 -0800 From: "Brian Rogers" Subject: Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Part 2 Just checked the In Nomine FAQ. They get hit once after the first three days. Then they continue getting hit every three days only if they VOLUNTARILY stay in the same place. Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.D." To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Part 2 > >I like this vignette a lot, but I don't think Ophanim take > >dissonance if they CAN'T move, only if they don't TRY to. > >And isn't the same thing true of all Windies? > > Nope. Windies get dissonant for staying in the same area ('area' as defined > by the GM, normally a city or portion thereof if the city's big enough) for > over three days. They get hit on the third, then the clock restarts - in > three days, they'll get hit again, and so on, ad infinitum. So two weeks > translates into four to five Dissonance, or at least one more level of > Discord, for a Windy... > > ~S.D. Ryukage > http://fly.to/sd_nexus/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ > Eli holds the door open for you. > "Thanks." [grins at Eli and walks in] > "Hey, any demon with something vaguely resembling a sense of self- > preservation knows better than to be impolite to the nice > Archangel who can kill you with his pocket lint if he feels like > it." };;;> > "Meanwhile, for just a moment, the Demon of Pocket Lint looks a > little bit smug." > GM and Jesimiel, Balseraph of Dark Humor, 'Balseraphs Have More Fun' > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:25:29 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN>Magog >>>Hmmm. I'll have to write up a Djinn Prince sometime.<<< I'm not sure that Hell needs more Djinn Princes. I mean, the two we have now are bad enough: obsessive control freaks with a lot of power. Now Habbalah Princes, that's something else. I really could see Furfur as some kind of modernized Habbie (a street-punk Punisher who views with disdain the way his predecessors served God). The insane are fun! :) >>>Which is why I wrote up Vocatiel as an Elohite. I don't have any good ideas for Kyrio AA's yet, though.<<< Knowledge. The Waters. Love. Communication (perhaps an upgrade in Word for Orc, to stand against Nybbas). For a really quirky idea (which I implemented in my now-ended campaign), a Kyriotate Archangel of Light. There are all sorts of fun Words for Kyriotate Archangels. :) As for Elohim...again Knowledge comes to mind (Raphael proved that an Elohite could hold the Word well). If your campaign permits, Purity might be a good choice for an Elohite (calm and rational, as opposed to Uriel). For an experiment in throwing Andrealphus and Kobal for a loop, try an Elohite Archangel of Love (or even better-of Laughter). That should weird out the players. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:41:09 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Thanks Geh! Jim, if the Deadlands list heard you bad-mouthin' them like that, they'd string you up. But I won't tell. Seriously, as another newbie, I do find this list really helpful and generally friendly. On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:45:00 -0800 (PST) Jim Burzelic writes: > I've only been a member of this list for about a month > now, but its already the most impressive one I've ever > been party to. The closest would be the All Flesh Must > Be Eaten list. From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:16:33 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: IN> Makatiel the really really icky. > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:17:31 -0500 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN >Shedite Princes (was eMagog) > > At 1:58 PM -0600 11/15/01, Cthulhu wrote: > > >Is Makatiel mentioned anywhere else in canon, > >*other* than S2 (where > >Haagenti is looking for him)? I've been considering doing > a writeup of him > >for a while now, and I'd like it to be as close to cannon > as possible. > > Makatiel (whose spelling I'd double-check, but there's too > much cruft > on my desk right now to move with one hand) was first mentioned in > Heaven&Hell, in the Dominic writeupm and then showed up again in S1 > (in the Dominic writeup again). I _think_ he may have > gotten a mention > somewhere in the IPG. > > There's a Tether-plotseed with a Servitor of Disease in the Liber > Castellorum, I believe, which gives the Djinn of Disease attunement? And the Knight of Plagues distinction. > I don't _think_ Disease shows up anywhere else, though I > there's always > a chance something got into You Are Here. Responsible for inventing the now mostly forgotten Song of Pestilence before his mad attempt out wipe out humanity. [Libra Canticorum] Adam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:39:59 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2445 > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:06:09 -0500 > From: "Eric Bertish" > Subject: Re: IN> Existance of Magog > Sort of. I have it outlined in my head, and am currently > running my players > through it. I was heavily influenced by _Babylon 5_ and as > a result I'm > doing a similar five-year story arc. [Snip Casca's Babylon-666] > Mentioning the Vapulan Jormungandr at this point would make > it far too > confusing, so I'll stop. :) > > Yeah, it's nuts. Maybe, when it's finished, I can write it > up. If I haven't > forgotten it, gone insane, or been lynched by my players. And In case you don't someone gave this order. ;) >From: Division 13 [5@mj12.gov] >To: Knight 0 [Sylia@silkydoll.com] >TOP SECRET NOCELEST >Priorty 3 Mission: Conduct immediate hypnotic debriefing >of Subject Casca and storm memory engrams with Project >Covenant. Subjects mental capabilities are not expendable >at this time. >Bester. And I think that says enough about what I think of your idea. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A world of magic.... - --- David Edelstein wrote: > Honestly, while I like bashing politicians as much as the > next guy, I > really don't think they're any more or less moral, on > average, than any > other profession. Politics tends to attract people with > big egos and a > lot of ambition, but that doesn't necessarily correlate > to being selfish and corrupt. More selfish, no. Less moral, no. But corrupt? Corruption implies the misuse of power, and you have to have some power before you can do that. People with big egos and lots of ambition are the ones most likely to seek such power. As to both sides monitoring politicians closely, I agree with you. Any national government would be a fertile recruiting ground for both Heaven and Hell -- but with human nature being what it is, Hell has a bit of an edge IMO. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:22:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Punishment Rites Eh. Seems to me that a Punishment Rite is just another Dissonance condition. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:18:55 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Alien Race I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I can't grok which Choir/Band this species' outlook was supposed to parallel. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:34:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Magog - --- Charles E Smith wrote: > Knowledge. The Waters. Love. Communication (perhaps an > upgrade in Word > for Orc, to stand against Nybbas). For a really quirky > idea (which I > implemented in my now-ended campaign), a Kyriotate > Archangel of Light. > There are all sorts of fun Words for Kyriotate > Archangels. :) Is there canon that Oannes was a Kyrio? I don't recall a Choir even being mentioned for him. As for Communication, that's the Word I gave Vocatiel -- but I wrote her as a Mercurian (oops). > As for Elohim...again Knowledge comes to mind (Raphael > proved that an Elohite could hold the Word well). My version of Azrael is an Elohite, but I borrowed heavily from other people's work. > If your campaign permits, Purity might > be a good choice for an Elohite (calm and rational, as > opposed to Uriel). Hmmmm... > For an experiment in throwing Andrealphus and Kobal for a > loop, try an > Elohite Archangel of Love (or even better-of Laughter). A Malakite AA of Love can be fun, too. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:09:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN >Shedite Princes (was eMagog) - --- Cthulhu wrote: > For that matter, has anyone else done anything with > Disease? Pazuzu, Shedite Princess of Plagues. I'll repost it if there's enough interest, or you can send me a private message and I'll send it just to you. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:15:00 -0700 From: "Chris Holland" Subject: Re: IN>Shedite Princes (was eMagog) >Alaemon... keeps his own secrets. There're a number of possibilites about >who - >or what - he really is; the truth (or something approaching it) was >revealed in >Feast of Blades, the adventure with the GM's Screen. As best anyone can >tell, >though, he /is/ an Impudite. For those of us who do not have the GM Screen. Could you explain?? Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:45:33 -0500 From: "Brook Freeman" Subject: RE: IN> Punishment Rites Eh. Seems to me that a Punishment Rite is just another Dissonance condition. Except that essence is going to reinforce a word. Brook Freeman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:20:29 -0000 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Secrets (was Shedite Princes) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Holland To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: Re: IN>Shedite Princes (was eMagog) > > >Alaemon... keeps his own secrets. There're a number of possibilites about > >who - > >or what - he really is; the truth (or something approaching it) was > >revealed in > >Feast of Blades, the adventure with the GM's Screen. As best anyone can > >tell, > >though, he /is/ an Impudite. > > For those of us who do not have the GM Screen. Could you explain?? It should be noted I don't have the GM Screen. I /do/ have Superiors 4, Alaemon's expanded writeup - and since, as far as I know, the only other major source of information on him is his first appearance in the GM Screen, I believe that's where it gets covered (and given it's out of print... < mutters > ). Part of the secret, however, lies in the fact that there were two holders of the Word of Secrets. Gebbeleth was the first, shortly after the Fall - Alaemon came along later. Gebbeleth was eventually imprisoned in a magical artifact, and his domain went empty. But... when Alaemon ascended to become Prince of Secrets, there were /two/ Demons of Secrets holding the Word. After the GM Screen, this gets resolved. Gebbeleth is presumed finally dead; Alaemon is the sole holder of the Word, and finally the Prince. And the secret that Gebbeleth lived long after Hell had thought him dead remains hidden. Imran ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:16:33 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Magog >I wrote up a Lilim Princess of Death (who succeeded to the Word >by seducing Saminga into suicide), back in 1999, and can re-post >her if anyone on the list didn't catch it first time and is >interested. Please Earl! Please? Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:32:53 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Even more I N updates Wow, coding can be hard on the fingers. For those of you interested, i have done even more updates to the pages, so theres even more NPC's, Seeds and stuff. Take a look. http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html Also, Beth whats your current In Nomine site? i'd like to add it to my list of links and other good sites, if thats ok with you. Til another time, Cas In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:38:43 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Taster: Seed & NPC Heres a taster of things to be found on the site. Also, coming soon: Vephar & another version of ORC camera obscura (seed) Nevek, a demon of Vapula, formerly of Eli, has finally been given the corporeal duty he always wanted. He has created a role of a top imaging corporation boss, had a purpose built lab in the Nevada desert, and has -leaked- to the Media that he has finally cracked the secret of exposing Celestial bodies to the Corporeal world. He has invented a camera that will take normal pictures, with one exception, it will show an aura around anybody who is a celestial. He has even engineered a test version and has found much to his surprise that it will only take photos of Angelic Auras. The Media have -leaked- to the media, and now there is a great deal of excitement, and a lot of controversial new laws in the process of being passed should that the camera prove with out any doubt that there ARE angels, and that there IS a GOD. Nevek has however gone in to hiding, taking with him the one working copy of the machine and the only set of blue prints. Parachel (npc) "So, let me get this straight, your an angel of the lord yeah?, sorry I still don’t buy it, no wings, no halo, and your asking me to lend you a fiver to get a cab? Get real and get a life you loser" Parachel is a sad and lonely angel, only he isn’t an angel, his real name is Paul Stromstenn, and he is sadly deluded. He is convinced he is an angel, but he can’t remember much about heaven and he cant take his great and mighty -other body- because a nasty demon laid a curse on him. There was once a Kyriotate called Parachel, but he died a soul death some eight hundred years ago. Paul does however remember one or two things about the angels life time. Is paul merely some poor guy who has got a lump of force in him from a dead kyriotate? Is he really a kyriotate who is slowly remembering who he is and where he is from? Is he just a sad delusional guy? notes Heh, no one is really sure if the forces that go back to the symphony are totally raw and clean, so if an ethereal force deos get put in to a human and then he starts to remember things, is it him or the force? well its the force, but why does he remember? Heh, imagine if this sort of thing started happening a lot, would it mean the end of creation? The re-using of the old in to an almost new thing. Does that mean that the symphony is -finite- or is it merely an aspect of - -this- symphony? Are all the different symphonies like it? or do they continue to use new forces? What does happen to all those old forces? Til another time, Cas In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:20:34 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Taster: Seed & NPC This little bit sticks out...If the camera just takes pictures that show an aura around angels' vessels, how will that constitute proof of angels or God to the masses? Really, it just shows that some people glow in these pictures. Kinda strange, granted, but there's nothing about an aura in a photograph that says "angel." On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:38:43 +0000 "cassandra benner" writes: > The Media have -leaked- to the media, and now there is a great deal > of excitement, and a lot of controversial new laws in the process of > being passed should that the camera prove with out any doubt that there > ARE angels, and that there IS a GOD. From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:35:05 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Existance of Magog At 5:00 PM -0600 11/14/01, Sean Gallagher wrote: >dunno who to clear up some notions filed in CDAU, ie the status to Eli, Eli's status would have been cleared up in a future Cycle, in the original schedule. While it will probably _not_ be cleared up in a Superiors book, I am hopeful that IN Anime will do well enough that 32-page "Cycle" books might be useful. >Gabriel, What needs to be cleared up about Gabriel? She's a raving prophetic loon. >Uriel, He was taken to the Higher Heavens. Reward or punishment or just plain stratigic withdrawel? God ain't talking. >the Grigori... Also originally slated for some more information in a Cycle book. See above re 32-pagers. >the nature of GOD, Deliberately CDAU. See the GameMaster's Guide for some different takes on God, and how those different takes will affect the game. >Lucifer, What's wrong with Lucifer? O:> >the upper heavens and lower hells,etc. The Lower Hells are the Creepy Place that GMs can threaten their players with PC visitations to. The Upper Heavens are ineffable and serve as the "it went there and it ain't coming back" place for angelic sorts. >The first 3 >parts of Revelations Cycle didnt seem much like a cycle, This has been noticed. It might have helped if the previous Line Editor had been a better LE than he was a priest... >It feels kinda dead or at least in a coma atm. It's simmering. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:05:37 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Existance of Magog From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > >It feels kinda dead or at least in a coma atm. > > It's simmering. I just hope that we get to see the fjords it's pinin' for sooner, rather than later. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:11:56 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Existance of Magog The only Revelations book that I've read in detail is The Marches, and it really seems to be a hodgepodge; I liked it, and I thought all the information was relevant to the game, but it didn't "stick together." Trying to reconcile the Marches as a setting, rules for sorcerors, expanded writeups on four Superiors, and a freak show under one banner is...problematic at best (even if you ignore the fact that most of it was replaced and surpassed in the Superiors books and in the Corporeal Players' Guide). It seems like The Marches and Heaven & Hell are two subjects that really needed to be covered in books, and they just got stuck into the Revelations Cycle because those books were already on the schedule. On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:35:05 -0500 Elizabeth McCoy writes: > >The first 3 > >parts of Revelations Cycle didnt seem much like a cycle, > > This has been noticed. It might have helped > if the previous Line Editor had been a better LE than he was a > priest From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:28:26 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Prj. Silence - Captive Vignette Part 2 Oh, wow. oh wow. You had me tearing up during Janelle's speech. This was soooo fantastic. I know its hard to believe that one of minority who finds this theme depressing also likes this story, but I do. Please go on (oh, this is the sympathetic part of me that I hope no one laughs too loud at, but I hope Janelle did make it in time and not fall). [My entire daily Essense goes to you] Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:34:06 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Taster: Seed & NPC >Really, it just shows that some people glow in >these pictures. Kinda strange, granted, but there's nothing about an >aura in a photograph that says "angel." The only ones meant to glow are the angels. Normal peeps wont glow. This kind of item would be good in the project silence type games. But i wrote it up soem time ago with conspiricyX cross over in mind. I am a paranoid player, same as the rest of my group, heres how i'd reconcile the auras thing... "sir, the cameras we were sold are duff" "why so?" "well we was told they would pick up unique bio electric feilds" "and?" "well they are not doing it sir" *man in suit points to the monitor* "what about him, he shows up as unique" "Sir, thats Jaz, the motorcycle currior, been here a couple of months" "Do some more research on his background. He shows up on a security system that is designed to pick up angels, you think its a glitch?" "Sir, this guy is no angel, the amount that he swears, the laws he breaks, he is no angel sir" Also, the aura may well show as their celsetial form. And its only a seed, only meant to spawn an idea or two. Til another time, Cas In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:00:24 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Taster: Seed & NPC Yeah, you could show me a photo of a person with an aura standing right next to a person without. My first inclination would be to say the picture is flawed or doctored. Supposing I knew that it wasn't, that the aura was genuine, the only thing I have to go on is that you said it was an angel. I'd assume you were one of thoe people who buys little books in supermarket check-out lines (angels make your turn signals work!). Were I willing to accept a supernatural or paranormal explanation (which Congress probaly wouldn't be), the aura could mean the person is giving off psychic vibrations, an alien in disguise, under Communist mind-control rays, a robot..."angel" and "demon" might be on this list somewhere, but probably not in the #1 spot. Even if it showed the celestial form, the chances of someone taking that to be an angel depend on the Choir. Spotting a celestial Malakite or Mercurian would make most people think of angels, but how many people see wheels of fire, six-eyed flying snakes or clouds of disembodied limbs and say, "Oh, that's obviously an angel. Duh." Project: Silence could use something like this, but remember that even they don't see celestials as angels and demons, they see them as alien invaders (which they are, basically). On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:34:06 +0000 "cassandra benner" writes: > The only ones meant to glow are the angels. > Normal peeps wont glow. > This kind of item would be good in the project silence type games. > But i wrote it up soem time ago with conspiricyX cross over in > mind From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:18:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Existance of Magog At 3:05 PM -0600 11/16/01, Prodigal wrote: >From: "Elizabeth McCoy" >> >> It's simmering. > >I just hope that we get to see the fjords it's pinin' for sooner, rather >than later. Oh, me too. We'll see how things progress. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:34:49 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: IN> Bright Lilim. Given how anal some of the Seraphim council get [You know the ones that wont use the word Demon, preferring Bent or Damaged Angel instead], there will be a seperate term for Bright Lilim that doesn't refer directly to their origin in hell. Most of Heaven won't use it of course except for being pedantic or in those situations where maximum formality is appropriate. Unless I'm totally mistaken the Hebrew bahiyr means Bright or scoured which seems to have an appropriate resonance. Thus Bahiyri or Bahiyrim perhaps? Adam - -- Remember if you want to upset Bright Lilim, the Seraphim Council tries to have a few members of each choir among its ranks. There are very few Bright Lilim. Thus most Bright Lilim who get co-opted onto the council. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:44:46 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Punishment Rites At 06:22 AM 11/16/01 -0800, you wrote: > Eh. Seems to me that a Punishment Rite is just another >Dissonance condition. Not really; Dissonance, with angels in particular, is an outright threat to the celestial's existence, not to mention the whole point of Dissonance in the first place is that it results from contradicting the celestial's own nature. This is actually a nice way to keep someone away from certain behaviors without actually crippling them (and you retake resources from those who are misusing them to boot), and not every undesirable act in a servitor need be an intrinsic violation of their inner being. - -- Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 00:27:31 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim. >Unless I'm totally mistaken the Hebrew bahiyr means Bright or scoured >which seems to have an appropriate resonance. > >Thus Bahiyri or Bahiyrim perhaps? Hmm, perhaps, but it could also be the name of the demons who get rehabilitated by heaven. Or perhaps it is the type of reliever they get turned in to when they lose many forces in the scourging of the purifying flames. Hmm many possibilities open up suddenly... Til another time, Cas In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:07:57 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: A world of Magic/Influencing Politics > David Edelstein wrote: > Michael Walton wrote: >> And it's the issue of even >> wanting one's pockets filled that leads me to believe that >> politicians in general would side with Hell -- but, for the >> reasons you stated, none of them would be fool enough to do >> it openly. > > Honestly, while I like bashing politicians as much as the next guy, I > really don't think they're any more or less moral, on average, than any > other profession. Politics tends to attract people with big egos and a > lot of ambition, but that doesn't necessarily correlate to being selfish > and corrupt. Two thoughts: Firstly, even the most corrupt politicians are going to prefer Heaven, simply because it isn't competition - unlike Hell, who would want to take over. A corrupt politician, learning that Heaven is watching, would probably decide to 'cut their losses', and go clean, figuring that the extra free publicity is worth the loss of kickbacks etc. (This actually makes life harder for the genuinely honest politicians, as it's harder for them to stand out - which may be one reason Heaven doesn't want to intervene). Secondly, local government tends to be more corrupt than the higher levels, if only because it's not scrutinized as closely - Hell would have more fun here. > (I envision Washington D.C. as being a place where NO ONE dares to make > a disturbance outside of the Tethers -- the consequences of a Kyriotate > in Congress or a Habbalite messing with the President could be so great, > both sides watch all important personages like hawks, ready to intervene > at the slightest sign of celestial meddling.) But what are the odds of successful meddling? Consider this guy, built using the rules for a level/5 servant: GENERIC POLITICIAN Mundane CORPOREAL FORCES: 1 Strength: 1~ Agility: 2 ETHEREAL FORCES: 1 Intelligence: 3 Precision: 4* CELESTIAL FORCES: 3 Will: 10 Perception: 5* Charisma + 1, Status/6 (Politician) *Stats increased with character points ~Stat reduced to gain character points. Skills: Detect Lies/Mastery, Fast-Talk/6, Lying/6, Meditation/1 , Savoir-Faire/6, Advantages: Blessed. Disadvantages: Select 8 levels from: Addicted, Damaged Sense, Fear(Various), Greedy, Jaded, Lustful, Merciful, Need (generally Medications), Obsessed (Varied); plus a level of reduced Strength or Agility. Blessed is *not* unreasonable - politicians have to survive such joys as talk back radio shows, public meetings and so on; places where it is incredibly easy for a Kobalite to apply his resonance. Besides, their job brings them into continual contact with people with Fast-Talk/6: they need it to survive! The thing is, no politician starts at the top of the heap: by the time they make it to holding a position of power, they'll already have proven able to repel attempts to control them. James. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:11:56 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Lilim Princesses Moe wrote: > Well, since everyone is mentioning theirs ... there's > a reallllly weird Bright Lilim Heretical AA of Faith > on my website. > > I bring it up only because, well, _I_ thought that it > was cool, but it slipped beneath the surface with nary > a ripple, and I've never quite been able to figure out > why. Of course, if I could figure out what sparks > responses and what doesn't, I'd be a happier > lunatic... She is cool - as I pointed out when I first saw her. The problem is the Word: Faith is not something that people are going to be willing to say 'near enough' over, and if the basic description of Faith contradicts what a GM/his players can work with, it'll be ignored. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:17:39 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Makatiel > There's a Tether-plotseed with a Servitor of Disease in the Liber > Castellorum, I believe, which gives the Djinn of Disease attunement? YES! Page 126: Djinn of Disease: Makatiel's Stalkers were able to cause their attuned to be unaffected by diseases, while still highly infectious. Knight of Plagues: Makatiel's Knights could choose to inflict or cure diseases with a touch. Hmm... James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:27:48 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Re: A world of Magic/Influencing Politics james walker wrote: > Blessed is *not* unreasonable - Actually it is -- Blessed is a very rare gift that only a very few mortals possess. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:30:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: IN> ?'s about Raphael Well, just one. What type of angel was Raphael? I can't find it anywhere. Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:37:54 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> ?'s about Raphael Jim Burzelic wrote: > > Well, just one. What type of angel was Raphael? I > can't find it anywhere. http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/Raphael.htm - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:36:18 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> ?'s about Raphael She was an Elohite. Which probably means she was somewhat different from the mythological Raphael (but probably not more than say Vapula or Furfur), but a suitable choir for the Archangel of Knowledge. - -Bevan - ------- "We've always been under siege. The 'Real World' keeps shoving us into corners -- so we've built some worlds of our own. Now whoever's controlling this... wants to take those worlds away. Well, I call that interplanetary war." -T. Campbell, "Fans: the Fandom Menace" >From: Jim Burzelic >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> ?'s about Raphael >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:30:31 -0800 (PST) > >Well, just one. What type of angel was Raphael? I >can't find it anywhere. > >Jim > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals >http://personals.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:47:02 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim. >Given how anal some of the Seraphim council get [You know the ones >that wont use the word Demon, preferring Bent or Damaged Angel >instead], there will be a seperate term for Bright Lilim that doesn't >refer directly to their origin in hell. > >Most of Heaven won't use it of course except for being pedantic or in >those situations where maximum formality is appropriate. > >Unless I'm totally mistaken the Hebrew bahiyr means Bright or scoured >which seems to have an appropriate resonance. > >Thus Bahiyri or Bahiyrim perhaps? > >Adam I *like* it. Both connotations are appropriate. You could use it in the lower case to refer to any redeemed demon, and in the Upper case as a secondary or tertiary Choir name for the Bright Lilim. I like this a *lot*! Hmm... supposing we doublecheck this as authoritatively as the LE would require to be satisfied, and it comes out correctly. Would making it -- that is, singular, bahiyri, plural, bahiyrim -- canon require a particularly difficult process? William ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2448 ********************************