in_nomine-digest Saturday, November 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2457 In this digest: IN>Canon or Non (was Re: Something Different IN>Canon or Non (was Re: Something Different) Re: IN> Re: Something Different Re: IN> IN Anime Re: IN> IN Anime IN> Stars? I see no stars here. Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. Re: IN>"Are you sure?" IN> Belfast Giants Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. OT - Do Not Respond To List Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. OT - Do Not Respond To List Re: IN>"Are you sure?" Re: IN> Stars? Old Gods? I see no stars here. Re: IN> IN Anime Re: IN> Happy Thanksgiving! Re: IN> Stars? Old Gods? I see no stars here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:01:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: IN>Canon or Non (was Re: Something Different - --- Christopher Hughes wrote: > <<<> Oddly enough, I am. Oh, I'm fiddling with the > odd > > house rule or two, but I haven't derailed canon > yet. > > Derailing canon is fun. Diverting the tracks so the > train crashes into a > cliff is even more fun. >:) > > Seriously, there's a perverted joy I get in twisting > canon to suit my own > sick sense of theme and continuity. How many other > GMs out there feel this > way? I'm interested in finding the Vanilla-to-Fudge > ratio among IN GMs. > > - -- Casca > > >>> > > Well, as I'm sure is evidenced by my posted setting > idea of Oduma (about which I still haven't received > any respons ::pout::), I am very Fudge. :-) > > Chris et alia > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:05:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: IN>Canon or Non (was Re: Something Different) Dang it. Sorry about that first one. Something must have slipped. I usually stick to canon as best as I can for just about all teh games I play. I do this mainly because I feel like RPGs are just interactive novels. I really like stories and these games allow me to be a part of them. Changing them makes it something else completely. but if a complete change is what I want, I'll forget canon and wander off the path. To sum up, if I don't use canon I don't feel I'm playing In Nomine. Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:48:32 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Re: Something Different At 12:16 AM 11/22/01 -0600, you wrote: >This is good; the illustration in the main book is kinda hard to swallow. > I don't like that my favorite archangel goes around as a white guy with >dreadlocks, one of the worst looks in history. *Being* a white guy with dreadlocks, I take exception to this. ;) ObIN: Numinous Corpus: Hair This primarily cosmetic Song allows the user to craft her hair into any shape she can imagine, with one restriction: she may only shorten or lengthen her hair by one foot for each level of the Song that she knows. This does not grant any additional abilities to the hair (e.g., it won't let you make tentacles), although at level 6, users have noticed that small objects sometimes disappear within their locks and never return... - -EDG who has spent 18 out of the last 36 hours driving along Interstate 70 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:34:55 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> IN Anime >At 05:14 PM 11/21/01 -0600, you wrote: >>I just saw the new cover for In Nomine Anime. It's very, very cool. It's >>also very, very red. Too bad we won't have anyone in the office who can >>post a new version of it until next week (muahahaha) . . . >> >>Let's play Mad Libs -- fill in the blanks with appropriate (or not) nouns: >> >>Big ______, Fiery ______ > > >*blush* Given the diseased minds on this group, Mad Libs might not be a >good thing to suggest (especially THOSE particular words). > >-- >Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com oh, pshaw . . . Big Halo, Fiery Temper Big Guns, Fiery Halo Big Boots, Fiery Smile Big Smile, Fiery Handshake Big Robots, Fiery Exhaust Big Hair, Fiery Hairspray Big deal, Fiery ain't so bad Big Momma, Fiery Father Big Haagenti, Fiery Belial Big Jesus, Fiery Gabriel Big Man on Campus, Fiery foes in the darkness Big Fun!, Fiery Charred Remains! Big Head, Fiery Rapport Big Trouble, Fiery China Big Happy, Fiery Tummy Big Burrito, Fiery Breath Big Taste, Fiery /After/taste Big Winner, Fiery Prize Big Problems, Fiery Solutions Big Swords, Fiery Hands Big Lips, Fiery Lyrics Big Music, Fiery Gyrating Elvis (On Fire!) Big Band Music, Fiery Dancing Pixies Big Loss, Fiery Reward Big Devil, Fiery Thermal Underwear Big God, Fiery Devil Big Business, Fiery Retribution Big Politicians, Fiery Hand of Justice Big Ofanite, Fiery Ofanite Big Whale, Fiery Harpoon Big Moon, Fiery Sun Big Eyes, Fiery Mouth Big Rainforest, Fiery End Big War, Fiery Death Big Hair, Fiery Temper .. . . that's enough for mow, my brain hurts. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:54:46 +0000 From: "R L" Subject: Re: IN> IN Anime >oh, pshaw . . . > >Big Halo, Fiery Temper >Big Hair, Fiery Temper > >. . . that's enough for mow, my brain hurts. > >-Perry You have a lot of time on your hands don't you? Ron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:14:00 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. Note: this comes out at 8k before sending. Ever wonder why we've had so much trouble with space probes? It isn't the distance factor... well, not quite. For millennia upon millennia, humans have gazed up at the stars and wondered what they represent. Imperfections in the divine firmament? Fireflies caught in an enormous spiderweb? Giant flaming spheres of gases, billions of miles away? A cosmic test pattern? Oddly, the first is closest to the correct answer. The corporeal universe is, in fact, a perfect sphere, extending roughly 107,000 miles from the surface of the Earth (although until recently, that number was much smaller - - about 7,100 miles). The sun is a relic, created by Lucifer and Gabriel many billions of years ago, as is the Moon a collaboration between David and Lucifer. And the stars? The stars are the corporeally-visible representations of the celestial loci of the many Tethers that are scattered across the Earth. True North, naturally, points to the exact center of the Eternal City, a monument in the shape of a spire driven deep into the ground of the City and pointing at the North Pole, designed by Eli and containing contributions from every Archangel who ever lived. True South once defined the outer boundary of the Eternal City (in every direction); when the Fall occurred, the shape of the celestial realm was radically changed, and True South now points directly to Lucifer's palace in Hell. Lucifer's palace contains one of the lushest gardens ever known - not an attempt to recreate Eden, but to preserve the world in its pre-humanity state. (Jordi would be inordinately jealous if he knew.) Before humans managed to discover it, the garden was actually attached to the corporeal plane, centered on the South Pole; after Byrd's flight over the Pole (whose transmission was - fortunately for both sides - jammed by interference from the garden's connection to the celestial plane), Lucifer withdrew the garden to his palace, leaving only a blank snowfield. The Archangel Eli has been charged with making certain that humanity is kept in the dark about the celestial sphere, and to this end he has created a branch of Soldiers which he calls his Special Agents, whose job it is to track down and neutralize any threat to the continued ignorance of humanity in this area. The worst scare in recent history was the Aristotle Problem; fortunately, the philosopher only had part of the answer, and the following generations adopted the *wrong* part. The intervention of one M Galilei, the only person commonly known to have been posthumously granted the title of Special Agent, sealed the fate of the Aristotle Problem. (It is a source of constant irritation to Eli that M Galilei has yet to arrive in either Heaven or Hell, and Yves assures him that the Forces are still present in the Symphony in their original configuration; Eli plans to make the man a saint, just as soon as he can find him.) However, in the late 1920s, as the result of the research of one Dr. Robert H. Goddard, Eli went on an extended walkabout. Exercising certain of his emergency powers, Eli actually spent several decades expanding the corporeal realm to a distance of about 107,000 miles from the Earth's surface (there are, after all, rules about how large the corporeal realm can be). While he was doing this, his servitors and Soldiers created the largest stage known to man or angel, fully twenty miles to a side, full of dust and rock, with an enormous dome for a sky, and in 1969 - once the stage and the expansion were complete - the Creationers staged an actual visit to the Moon, using the descendant of one of Goddard's rockets. For years these visits were staged, using Soldiers of all nationalities as a cast, until the governments of the world decided to cut funding to the space program, at which point the stage was mothballed and disguised as a United States Air Force base deep in the Nevada desert. While it is true that the trips to the moon were staged, not everybody knows about it! Litheroy in particular has been forbidden to speak on the topic, and most of the Seraphim who did not actually work on the project get an "ineffable" answer when they try to discern the Truth of the matter. The greatest irony, however, is the demons. So determined are they to convince humans that the moon voyages were staged, and that humanity has never left the atmosphere, that they haven't yet stopped to consider that this might actually accurately reflect reality... Eli and Jean have also collaborated on the Space Probe Problem; any probe, such as Voyager or Galileo, poses a danger to the hidden nature of the celestial firmament. As such, there is a team of angels on permanent "outfielder duty"; their job is to catch all probes sent into outer space, and then send signals back to Earth that mimic either the data the humans were expecting or massive equipment failure. In addition, teams of Soldiers, Saints, and angels working within various aerospace divisions are assigned to interpret the signals that come back, further ensuring the secrecy of the firmament. Heaven does have one advantage in this conspiracy, and that is the actual appearance of the celestial loci of Tethers - they look, in fact, remarkably like burning spheres or swirling masses of distant gases when examined closely from the corporeal side, and exhibit remarkably consistent properties, such that they can be successfully analyzed by human scientists as stars and galaxies rather than Tethers. At this point, both NASA (and, by extension, every training center and launching station in the United States) and the RKA (and both Baikonur Cosmodrome and the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center) are controlled by Heavenly forces, although the Jet Propulsion Laboratory is manned by a single Kyriotate (Curik, Kyriotate of Lightning, Angel of Vehicles With Very High Maximum Speeds). Humans retain control of both the Air Force (and their expansions into spaceflight) and the VKS (and the Plesetsk Cosmodrome launch facility), although watchful eyes are present at each facility, and of course certain Air Force bases (notably Wright-Patterson and Groom Dry Lake) are under celestial command. The recent resignation of (non-aligned) NASA Administrator Daniel Goldin has actually proven a boon to celestial forces; the current nominee for the position, Sean O'Keefe, is neither Soldier nor Saint, but is being groomed for both by Eli's forces. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:01:21 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. This is an interesting take, but it seems like a lot of bending-over-backward to support an idea that probably wouldn't have much impact on the setting in general (unless the point was for the PCs to discover this). A couple questions, though: 1. If the North Pole is supposed to constantly point at the Eternal City, why does the Earth tilt with respect to Heaven? 2. If stars are the endpoints of celestial Tethers, what are the "planets?" They would move all over Heaven and Hell in this model. From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:24:07 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. At 01:01 PM 11/23/01 -0600, you wrote: >This is an interesting take, but it seems like a lot of >bending-over-backward to support an idea that probably wouldn't have much >impact on the setting in general (unless the point was for the PCs to >discover this). The point is, of course, for the PCs to discover this. Also, you're missing a key word: "yet". What happens when the Russian Military Space Force decides to send a manned mission to Mars? >A couple questions, though: >1. If the North Pole is supposed to constantly point at the Eternal City, >why does the Earth tilt with respect to Heaven? I don't see that it does. The Earth is tilted with respect to the solar ecliptic, not its own axis, upon which the poles lie. >2. If stars are the endpoints of celestial Tethers, what are the >"planets?" They would move all over Heaven and Hell in this model. This is actually representative of a far larger flaw: why do the stars themselves appear to move independently of one another? The answer: I haven't figured that out yet. :) My best explanation is that the planets are either a) non-stationary but predictable Tethers, such as one of Janus's airship Tethers (what, you think Count von Zeppelin would let well enough alone in Heaven?), or b) Ethereal Tethers, which somehow inhabit the impossibly thin boundary between the Celestial and the Corporeal. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:49:51 -0000 From: "Stephen McIlvenna" Subject: Re: IN>"Are you sure?" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Bruner > Demon of Scepticism I like him. A much more subtle way to undermine the faithful than a Balseraph's resonance. No wonder Khalid counts him as a threat. > Demon of Scepticism: Wregan can implant doubts in someone's mind as to the > truth of one of their beliefs with a successful Will roll (with the check Any consequences of a failed use of the ability? A note of dissonance or losing faith in one of his own beliefs from a backlash effect? > Still, Scepticism is a Word > which will inevitably reach its limits; maybe he could evolve his Word to > one more suitable to a Princedom such as Nihilism, Disbelief, or Doubt, but > all of the new choices he's considered have potential defects in their Cynicism seems like a more selfish version of the idea. Sceptics often are happy for others to provide evidence for their beliefs. A cynic might just want to plant the doubts and leave them to fester. Stephen http://www.btinternet.com/~s.mci/innomine/inindex.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:50:44 -0000 From: "Stephen McIlvenna" Subject: IN> Belfast Giants Something from close to home ... Belfast Giants The Giant's Causeway (http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukiant01.htm) is one of Northern Ireland's most popular tourist sites and one of the world's most unusual geological sites. The Causeway proper is a mass of basalt columns packed tightly together. The tops of the columns form stepping stones that lead from the cliff foot and disappear under the sea. Altogether there are 40,000 of these stone columns, mostly hexagonal but some with four, five, seven and eight sides. The tallest are about 40 feet high, and the solidified lava in the cliffs is 90 feet thick in places. Local legend has it that the feature is all that remains of a bridge built by the giant Finn McCool to travel to the islands of Scotland. Finn could pick thorns out of his heels while running and was capable of amazing feats of strength. Once, during a fight with a Scottish giant, he scooped up a huge clod of earth and flung it at his fleeing rival. The clod fell into the sea and turned into the Isle of Man. The hole it left filled up with water and became Lough Neagh. The Causeway is, of course, a Tether to Stone. It actually was part of a bridge connecting ancient Ireland to Britain - built by Servitors of Stone to allow their Grigori collegues to more easily travel among the celtic tribes of the time. When the Grigori were outcast the same Davidians destroyed the Causeway to help isolate, hunt down and slaughter the 'fallen' choir. In time the truth became legend and then myth among the area's human populace, but none could deny the physical reality of the rock formation and the Tether became stable quickly. Its current Seneschal is Torlan, a Mercurian Master of the Granite Hand. His prefered role is as Tom, an elderly local hill walker. He can usually be found walking near the Causeway talking to tourists or bus-loads of school children. His tales centre more on the geological aspects of the monument than the folk tales published by the official tourist board, but he always gains the audience's interest and most go away thoroughly impressed by the natural marvel. Torlan is currently investigating two main threats to his Tether. First is the unwanted help of local environmentalists. A concerned group with the backing of Duncan McMullan, a local businessman and councillor, are petitioning to prevent tourists from climbing on the rocks or even walking too near. Their fear is that wear and tear will damage the Causeway and speed up its erosion. To Torlan this is nonsense. Stone endures. A little erosion can't hope to destroy the basic nature of the geological creation. And it is when people get onto the rocks that they most appreciate the Causeway and help increase the Essence flowing through the Tether. The second threat is from the very minor Ethereal spirit of Finn McCool. Much as Torlan hates it, every time people visit the Causeway a little bit more Essence drifts into the Far Marches. It wouldn't normally bother the angel, but the same councillor trying to stop people climbing the rocks is leading a publicity campaign featuring the giant and his legends. Given Blandine's view of David it is difficult for Torlan to discover exactly what is going on in the Ethereal realm. One other thing is occupying Torlan's time. Northern Ireland recently got its first ice-hockey team in the form of the Belfast Giants (http://www.belfastgiants.com/). There is a lot for an angel of Stone to admire about the team. Beside the fact that most Stone angels love the sport, the team have the biggest fan base of any team in the British ice-hockey league. In fact they are the only local club team in any sport to have strong support from both sides of a very divided community. Unfortunately the use of 'giants' in their name always raises Torlan's suspicions. Many of David's elder servitors are quick to think of the Grigori when giants are mentioned, and Torlan has the extra threat of Finn McCool, who is featured a lot in the team's promotional material. The fact that Duncan McMullan is one of the team's main sponsors doesn't help matters. But above all, Torlan can't help wondering why the team's mascot reminds him so much of the preferred vessel of certain broad-shouldered, long-haired, normally-naked archangel. Adventure Seeds How do angels go about persuading the environmentalists not to interfere with the Causeway? Most genuinely want to protect the landmark and any action that becomes too public may damage the reputation of the tourist site. Does Duncan McMullan have some agenda in the War? Is he a demon or Soldier of Hell? What if he is a Child of the Grigori seeking revenge against David? What if he is a Child of the Grigori seeking reconcilliation with David? What is going on in the Far Marches? Could anything caus the Tether to fork between the Catacombs and the Marches? What would happen if Finn McCool built up enough Essence to generate a vessel and return to the Causeway? Who stands to gain most from the arrival of the ice-hockey team? Duncan McMullan, Finn McCool, the Grigori or the Word of Stone? Stephen http://www.btinternet.com/~s.mci/innomine/inindex.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:10:11 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:24:07 -0500 EDG writes: > >1. If the North Pole is supposed to constantly point at the Eternal > City, why does the Earth tilt with respect to Heaven? > > I don't see that it does. The Earth is tilted with respect to the > solar ecliptic, not its own axis, upon which the poles lie It actually does. Looking straight up from the North Pole in December will give you a different picture of the heavens than if you looked up in June. (just as there are some stars that you cna only see in Winter or Summer) The point in Heaven that the North Pole would point at would be different as the year progresses. Probably the best way to resolve this is to say that the Pole is always pointing at the City, but not at its center. The circle traced by the Pole's movement could be the boundary of the City. > >2. If stars are the endpoints of celestial Tethers, what are the > >"planets?" They would move all over Heaven and Hell in this > model. > > This is actually representative of a far larger flaw: why do the > stars themselves appear to move independently of one another? The answer: > I haven't figured that out yet. :) My best explanation is that the > planets are either a) non-stationary but predictable Tethers, such as one of It takes some pretty sophisticated equipment to detect stellar parallax. The stars don't really move in relation to one another, but their positions do change dpeending on the point of view from which you observe them. I presumed that such discrepancies would be simply created and fed to scientists by this celestial conspiracy. Movement of planets, however, is visible to the naked eye. From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:29:37 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. OT - Do Not Respond To List At 02:10 PM 11/23/01 -0600, you wrote: >It actually does. Looking straight up from the North Pole in December >will give you a different picture of the heavens than if you looked up in >June. (just as there are some stars that you cna only see in Winter or >Summer) The point in Heaven that the North Pole would point at would be >different as the year progresses. Probably the best way to resolve this >is to say that the Pole is always pointing at the City, but not at its >center. The circle traced by the Pole's movement could be the boundary >of the City. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for sources here. From what I understand, the angle of the pole relative to the ecliptic *does* change, but it's on the order of one rotation every 26,000 years, not one every year. If you're standing at magnetic North, however, then you are absolutely correct. Another salient, related point, which was raised the other day when I was first thinking of this, is the idea of pole shift (which is to say that magnetic north and south swap poles). I'm having trouble including this, however, simply because I can't get any hard facts on it. >It takes some pretty sophisticated equipment to detect stellar parallax. >The stars don't really move in relation to one another, but their >positions do change dpeending on the point of view from which you observe >them. I presumed that such discrepancies would be simply created and fed >to scientists by this celestial conspiracy. Movement of planets, >however, is visible to the naked eye. *cough* As far as I'm aware, the stars do move relative to each other, many at relative speeds exceeding the speed of light. This is a logical consequence of the Big Bang theory, and is borne out by empirical evidence. Stellar parallax is an entirely different phenomenon. As this is rapidly running off-topic, further discussion should be private. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. In article <20011123.141012.1060.1.toadpooka@juno.com>, toadpooka@juno.com () wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:24:07 -0500 EDG writes: > > >1. If the North Pole is supposed to constantly point at the Eternal > > City, why does the Earth tilt with respect to Heaven? > > > > I don't see that it does. The Earth is tilted with respect to the > > solar ecliptic, not its own axis, upon which the poles lie > > It actually does. Looking straight up from the North Pole in December > will give you a different picture of the heavens than if you looked up > in June. (just as there are some stars that you cna only see in Winter > or Summer) I'm afraid that's entirely false. The direction of the earth's axis does move, but /very/ slowly. It sweeps out a circle about every 26,000 years. If it swung around noticeably in the course of a year, we'd, err, notice the earthquakes. The stars you see at night in the winter are in the sky in summer too - it's just that they're up during the daytime, so the sunlight drowns them out. It's definitely not that the earth is tilting so as to hide them. Incidently, it's getting on for 26,000 years since The Fall; there might be a plot thread in that for someone. > Movement of planets, however, is visible to the naked eye. Indeed. And if the moon is small and close, as the start of this thread has it, the parallax against the stars will be very visible. Measuring the distance of the moon, approximately, is possible with quite low-tech equipment, once you accept that the earth is round. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. OT - Do Not Respond To List In article <5.0.2.1.0.20011123152046.0235bda0@pop.earlham.edu>, anthoch@earlham.edu (EDG) wrote: > Another salient, related point, which was raised the other day when I > was first thinking of this, is the idea of pole shift (which is to say > that magnetic north and south swap poles). I'm having trouble > including this, however, simply because I can't get any hard facts on > it. What seems to happen is that, over a very short period in geological time (perhaps as little as a hundred years!) the Earth's magnetic field weakens close to zero, and starts up again in the opposite direction. When we've observed it happen, we'll know a lot more about it. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:37:17 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN>"Are you sure?" >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mike Bruner > > Demon of Scepticism > >I like him. A much more subtle way to undermine the faithful than a >Balseraph's resonance. No wonder Khalid counts him as a threat. I figured it was nice to have a Calabite who focused on the subtler types of destruction also. > > Demon of Scepticism: Wregan can implant doubts in someone's mind as to the > > truth of one of their beliefs with a successful Will roll (with the check > >Any consequences of a failed use of the ability? A note of dissonance or >losing faith in one of his own beliefs from a backlash effect? Hmm, Dissonance might be a tad much (besides, I didn't want a carbon copy of the Balseraph resonance). Maybe make it so he can't use it on the target for a certain period of time (until the next sunset) or else he can't ever target that particular belief again. The latter might fit better; sort of a "their faith was challenged but still held" kind of thing. > > Still, Scepticism is a Word > > which will inevitably reach its limits; maybe he could evolve his Word to > > one more suitable to a Princedom such as Nihilism, Disbelief, or Doubt, but > > all of the new choices he's considered have potential defects in their > >Cynicism seems like a more selfish version of the idea. Sceptics often are >happy for others to provide evidence for their beliefs. A cynic might just >want to plant the doubts and leave them to fester. I'm sure that would be one possibility, although the innate pessimism might be a turn-off (after all, Wregan doesn't want to be depressed all his existence :)). - -- Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:20:36 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Stars? Old Gods? I see no stars here. >2. If stars are the endpoints of celestial Tethers, what are the >"planets?" They would move all over Heaven and Hell in this model. The Planets? Um, they're Gods, aren't they? Mercury, Mars, Venus, Pluto, Jupiter, Neptune . . . etc . . . floating in the /Ether/eal planes. Yeah, the Romanized Greek Gods. Heaven's claims of "slaying" these Gods is obviously false. They merely slew their earthly avatars' vessels. Of course, since the Roman Gods haven't made their reappearance felt, perhaps they are as "good as dead". On the other hand, a God (or its avatar) does not always have to go by the same name (or take the same form) . . . - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:32:16 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> IN Anime >>oh, pshaw . . . >> >>Big Halo, Fiery Temper > >>Big Hair, Fiery Temper >> >>. . . that's enough for mow, my brain hurts. >> >>-Perry > >You have a lot of time on your hands don't you? > >Ron Between reading Demon Hunter X and reading all the cool stuff in the WoD supplements I'm borrowing this short break, I don't actually don't have a lot of time. :P Demon Hunter X, btw, would make a excellent supplement for Soldiers of Heaven. Maybe I could write a book about Demon Hunters for IN between all my papers . . . - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:34:13 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Happy Thanksgiving! >Just wishing everyone a happy Thanksgiving! ^_^ Thanksgiving . . . Haagenti vs Jordi . . . Haagenti wins, yet again. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:08:18 -0600 From: toadpooka@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Stars? Old Gods? I see no stars here. Am I the only one who, when first learning of the Purity Crusade, and specifically how it left a lot of Remnant pagan dieties on Earth, thought immediately of the movie "Adventures in Babysitting?" My players are gonna kill me when they find HIM floating around Chicago... On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:20:36 "Perry Lloyd" writes: > Heaven's claims of "slaying" these Gods is obviously false. They > merely slew their earthly avatars' vessels. Of course, since the Roman > Gods haven't made their reappearance felt, perhaps they are as "good as > dead From Whom It May Concern, Rich Ranallo "Rock and Roll will be the new planetary culture, believe it or not." - -Prof. Michio Kaku ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2457 ********************************