in_nomine-digest Monday, November 26 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2459 In this digest: Re: IN>"Are you sure?" Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2455 Re: IN> Re: Something Different Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. Re: IN> Song of Limbo Re: IN>"Are you sure?" IN> Re: "Are you sure?" Re: IN> Chora's Shedim IN> Eternal Searchers IN> Klingons Re: IN> Belfast Giants Re: IN> Klingons Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. Re: IN> Eternal Searchers IN> Michael and his Word IN> Superior Hearts Re: IN> Michael and his Word Re: IN> Michael and his Word Re: IN> Superior Hearts Re: IN> Superior Hearts Re: IN> Superior Hearts IN> Superior Hearts Re: IN> Superior Hearts IN> INSMV pbem offer Re: IN> Klingons RE: IN> INSMV pbem offer Re: IN> Michael and his Word Re: IN> Michael and his Word Re: IN> Superior Hearts Re: IN> Michael and his Word Re: IN> Superior Hearts Re: IN> Michael and his Word Re: IN> Superior Hearts Re: IN> IN Anime ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>"Are you sure?" - --- Mike Bruner wrote: > Wregan > Calabite of Factions > Baron of Inner Torment > Demon of Scepticism Heh, heh... now that's a way to get a Word! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2455 - --- Jonathan Walton wrote: > Hmm ... if I waste my money on > the APG, does that mean I might make it sell out sooner, > leading to a 2nd > Edition (something that could concievably contain the > Grigs)? And minor Choirs -- don't forget those! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:49:30 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Something Different - --- EDG wrote: > Numinous Corpus: Hair Heh. Something similar to this is in my campaign Song list under Ornamental NC. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. - --- toadpooka@juno.com wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:24:07 -0500 EDG > writes: > > >1. If the North Pole is supposed to constantly point > at the Eternal > > City, why does the Earth tilt with respect to Heaven? > > > > I don't see that it does. The Earth is tilted with > respect to the > > solar ecliptic, not its own axis, upon which the poles > lie > > It actually does. Looking straight up from the North > Pole in December > will give you a different picture of the heavens than if > you looked up in > June. (just as there are some stars that you cna only > see in Winter or > Summer) The point in Heaven that the North Pole would > point at would be > different as the year progresses. Not so. The geographic North Pole points at Polaris all year round. The reason that the view changes has to do with Earth's position in its orbit. Magnetic North, OTOH, changes position periodically. At the very least, it swaps places with magnetic South every so many millennia. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:06:04 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Song of Limbo - --- toadpooka@juno.com wrote: > In Liber Canticorum, it's mentioned that a number of > celestials who've > tried to "discover" new Songs have accidentally > discovered the Song of > Limbo. But there's not Song of Limbo in the LC. Nope. And there are no mechanics given for it in other sources -- until now! Songs of Limbo Corporeal: banishes the nearest Celestial to Limbo as if he or she had been Vessel-killed and had no Heart. The most notable differences are that a) the singer's alternate Vessels remain in potentiality, but cannot be accessed (the Celestial must construct a Vessel to leave as normal), and b) the singer doesn't lose all Essence, instead retaining Essence equal to the CD. Only Mortals are capable of playing this Song. Ethereal: imposes total sensory deprivation as if the target were in Limbo. This effect lasts for a number of minutes equal to the CD. The target may resist with a Will roll. Mortals may add their Corporeal Forces (they can't be banished to Limbo, so they are more resistant to this Song). Celestial: this is identical to the Corporeal Song except that the singer transports him- or herself to Limbo. This is the version of the Song that is most often played accidentally. Essence Requirement: 3 Degree of Disturbance: 6 ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:11:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>"Are you sure?" - --- "Brian R. Boyko" wrote: > > A cynic might just > >want to plant the doubts and leave them to fester. > Cynicism seems more like a demonic word - while a skeptic > doubts > conceptions in order to examine them, a cynic rejects > them without examinations. Speaking as a recovering cynic, that's not quite how it works (and this is on-topic why? Because it's an important insight into how certain Human and Celestial outlooks function). In screaming generalizations (YMMV), it's this way; An optimist sees the best in every situation, A pessimist sees the worst in every situation, A realist sees things the way they are, An idealist sees things the way they ought to be, And a cynic is an idealist who has been disappointed once too often. By those definitions, Novalans tend to be optimists, Dominicans tend to be pessimists, Michaelites tend to be realists, Laurentines tend to be idealists, and just about any Fallen angel is a cynic. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:05:09 -0800 From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: IN> Re: "Are you sure?" Brian R. Boyko wrote: >Indeed, an Angel of Skepticism in service to Yves would be entirely >appropriate - skepticism, the questioning of conceptions, is absolutely >vital to the study of philosophy. Alternately, he may be in the service of Khalid -- getting rid of faith in false things is part of the domain of Faith. I've always been impressed by G.K. Chesterton's lines in _The Ballad of the White Horse_ about Mark, a Roman colonist living in Britain: "His faith was found in the hard ground Of doubt and reason and falsehood found Where no faith else could grow." Tony Z - -- "The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning; His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air, And he that stays will die for naught, and home there's no returning." The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair.--A.E. Housman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:27:02 +1300 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: Re: IN> Chora's Shedim >From: Michael Walton >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Chora's Shedim >Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:35:58 -0800 (PST) > > >--- Terry Jackson wrote: > > Shedim: Shedim have the ability to insert themselves in > > an Affliction of > > their hosts and stay there. This completely conceals > > them from any prying > > Resonance, Attunement or Song and frees the hosts mind > > up. > > In other words, a Shedite of Affliction could possess, >say, the tumor in a cancer patient. Once there, he could >prevent the tumor from showing up on biopsies, X-rays, etc. >and keep radiation or chemotherapy from killing it. He >could make the cancer seemingly metastasize to another part >of the body. Finally, he could amplify the cancer so that >it kills the host and not cause a Disturbance. That's just >_wrong_. > > In short, I like it! Excellent. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:32:19 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Eternal Searchers You can find them in all sorts of places - wandering the desert, mountain ranges, the bottoms of lakes. Rarely in the cities; on the few occasions when they are in inhabited regions they are normally sitting in cellars, practicing scales. Usually they are on private property; they often frequent farms, testing the notes of the Symphony. They are all zombis, and they are engaged in the largest research project in the history of the Symphony. When millionaire Douglas Rendell became a Vampire, he assumed that he would be a mover and shaker in the world of the supernatural. To discover that vampires were the lowest of the low, and that he was considered insignificant by everybody, (even mortal Soldiers and Sorcerers!) was a bitter blow. Furious, he set about changing that. He will never be able to learn Sorcery, Enchantment, Alchemy or Necromancy; will never be considered for a Word; is dependent on Demons for Rites and Attunements. The only powers he can develop himself, and control, are Songs. Fortunately, any Symphonically Aware being can attempt Song research. Even Vampires. Even Zombis. Rendell possesses Saminga's Zombi attunement, so creating them isn't difficult. As a skilled businessman, he has the skills to organise feeding them regularly (and has built up his financial empire using zombis in his sweatshops). The difficulty is finding zombis who have the skills necessary to have even the slightest chance of successfully researching a Song. Singing/6 is essential, and even then the zombi has only the slightest chance of finding a useful chord - and only if the zombi would have a bonus to the final Song. Finally, the zombis lack the Perception to follow a specific chord through to completion, so they have to slowly work their way through every possible combination of notes. So far, the only thing they've found is an Ornamental Numinous Corpus that creates scabs. Rendell doesn't mind - it's early days yet, and he isn't interested in Songs unless he'll gain a bonus for them. Those Songs will increase his personal power, and will hopefully attract a rich reward from Saminga. What he does mind is the Disadvantages that highly proficient singers tend to possess - after spending weeks ensuring a secret grave rob, it's irritating to see the singer's picture on the cover of the latest tabloid, just because the wretched zombi feels the need for publicity. Even given the amount of his resources he's redirecting to creating fake Elvis sightings, it's only a matter of time until the Malakim come knocking. James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:55:27 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Klingons ....And in the year of The Great T'skral uprising, the Empire found new heroes to take the place of the Imperial Hunters. Chief among them was K'Maron, of the Ghost House of M'Kial. His birthplace is one of the great mysteries of legend, as he was born without the ridges of a Warrior, yet immediately proved himself worthy in battle. K'Maron was said to have the fastest reflexes in the Empire - in the Battle of Galedon, K'Maron defeated an entire platoon of Harada foot soldiers in single combat, giving the local defense forces time to reinforce the sector and drive the approaching armor away. K'Maron was also a starship captain without equal - the speed and lethality of the ships that he personally piloted has yet to be matched after a century of improvement. He was often criticized by the High Command for his refusal to engage in battle against civilians, a practice that has since been adopted by many within the Empire K'Maron was considered to be a leading candidate for election to the High Council, an honor he refused on multiple occasions. Upon his death at Ophiuchi II, where he died defending the civilian hospital from Romulan Death Squads, the truth about K'Maron was finally known. Unmasked as one of the O'Falik'Tshim, the mythical beings of fire that dwell between the stars, he ascended into the sky, returning to his home in the void after having left the Empire in the secure hands of the Emperor T'pal. Even to this present day, his military accomplishments are unequalled. It is said that, in times of great need, K'Maron takes the form of a Klingon with eyes that burn with the intensity of his true form. He seldom reveals his true identity, preferring to keep away from the politics and fanfare that always plagued him. However, should one ever come across a young, unproven Warrior with nerves of lightning and bearing the crest of House M'Kial, one should always show respect for one who shares the blood of K'Maron, and who might well be the latest face of the Hero of Sarmalak... Klingon Home World, Inscription from the Hall of Heroes. - -------------- Cameron Angel of Klingons Ofanite of War Corporeal - 6 Ethereal - 4(5) Celestial - 5 Strength - 12 Intelligence - 9 Perception - 10 Agility - 12 Precision - 10 Will - 10 (Word Forces - 15) Attunements - Ofanite of War, Seraph of War, Malakite of War, Howl, One to One, Angel of Klingons Skills - Fighting/6, Large Weapon(Sword)/3, Dodge/6, Drive(Starship)/6, Ranged Weapon(Disruptors)/6, Tactics/4, Tracking/5, Klingon History/6 Songs - Entropy(Corporeal/3, Ethereal/3), Form(All/4), Healing(Corporeal/3), Motion(Celestial/6), Shields(All/3), Tongues(All/3) Vessel - Klingon Male/6 +3 Charisma Discord - Aura/6 Angel of Klingons - 1. User gains a reaction bonus equal to his Celestial Forces with Klingons. 2. If the User has Proficiency, it applies to all Klingon Weapons. 3. User succeeds in any Klingon Psychology or Area Knowledge roll with CD 6. - ---------------- Cameron had spent the majority of his existence doing menial work in War's organization. He was passed over for promotion dozens of times, in favor of angels that didn't have their minds on 'flights of fancy', wondering if there was anything out there among the stars. After several hundred years of training and busy work, he was finally given a chance to go to Earth - a group of soldiers was performing surveillance on a pyramid under construction in Egypt, and he was assigned to be the token Celestial who was 'leading' the investigation. When the pyramid turned out to be a Tether to Death, with Saminga in attendance, things started going badly. And when Cameron engaged Saminga in single combat, buying time for the soldiers that were with him to escape, he didn't expect to survive the encounter. But sometimes God has a plan for certain people, and apparently this was one of those times. Still, when Saminga said he was going to knock him clear across the skies, he meant it. Due to a Divine Intervention, Cameron did not have all of his forces scattered, instead finding himself on a strange world with a strange Word and even stranger people whose language he couldn't understand immediately. He thought to return to Heaven, but for some reason decided to stay a while. These people, although outwardly strange, were very well versed in the ways of War. Honor, discipline, loyalty - here, all these things counted for something. And what was more, there was nothing to keep you from looking at the stars, if you were willing to take your place among them... Even though the stars called to him, and the thought of travelling among them had an allure that he couldn't deny, he still planned to return home, until Destiny intervened. On the day that he decided to return, an invading army began bombarding the planet to soften it up for the ground troops that would land the next day. All of Cameron's thoughts of returning home were put on pause - though he'd yet to see a diabolical on this world, it was clear to him that _evil_ was still quite present in this part of God's creation. Weeks later, after the troops were thrown back, a starship landed and requested volunteers to replace crew lost in fighting. Taking the opportunity which he somehow felt he needed to, he was assigned to be a pilot trainee. While he'd never touched a machine more complicated than a bow personally, the Ofanite instinctively knew that this was something that could go _fast_, and so he stuck with it, becoming more and more skilled in its use. Centuries passed, and the Klingon Empire grew. With it, the Warrior ideal of honorable combat, refusing to walk away from a fight, personal honor and responsibility grew as well. This unexpected increase in the power of the Word of War managed to catch the attention of Michael, who had not even been aware of his servitor's existence for several centuries. The Archangel of War began watching through Cameron's heart, watching as the Ofanite piloted his ship into impossible situations and come out the stronger. As Michael watched, another truth became clear - were Cameron to return to Earth to fight the Diabolical threat, he would never again be able to enjoy the glories of spaceflight, or pilot a machine that could soar between the stars. It was also clear that while Man might be the pinnacle of God's Creation, the word 'Man' might well be applied to other Corporeal Beings that Had Sentience. If this was the case, it was important that someone watch over them, to be certain that the Horde did not develop inroads into these peoples. Michael quietly bound several additional attunements to his heart, and left him to his own devices. Today, the Angel of Klingons has grown from the insignificant Ofanite that was thrown into the stars several millenia ago to a competent, self-assured and battle-hardened warrior. His contact with Heaven is still sparse, but that may be changing soon. Michael knows that the Klingons are out there, coming ever closer to Sol. When the time comes for first contact between Humanity and the Klingons, he's quite confident that a voice of reason will be found amongst the war leaders. Although contact should still be several hundred years from now, he'll let Jean in on the secret in a few more decades... After all, if Jean doesn't want to give out disintegration guns and bio-disruptors until another eighty years have passed, there's no reason that he can't buy elsewhere... Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:52:55 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Belfast Giants For added complication, what if Finn McCool, or his Scottish opponent, or both, were really Grigori? Yes, the siphoned Essence may be going into the Far Marches, but what is the nature of the being at the other end? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Klingons - --- Michael Cleveland wrote: > Cameron > Angel of Klingons > Ofanite of War Enjoyed it, as usual. I especially like the ending -- that's soooo Michael. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Love is an exploding cigar which we willingy smoke." -- Linda Barry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:53:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Stars? I see no stars here. EDG wrote: > The point is, of course, for the PCs to discover this. Yes, that's the out-of-game point, but what's the in-game point? Why did God and/or Eli create a cosmos that looks like classical Greek cosmology, then let people come to *believe* in classical Greek cosmology, *then* bend over backwards to make them think it's really modern cosmology? Why the sudden change, when they'd let people know the "truth" for a thousand years? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:24:23 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Eternal Searchers Very nice concept. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:36 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: IN> Michael and his Word The GMG timeline says that Michael became Archangel of the War just after the Fall. That begs a question: what was he before the Fall? A superior-without portfolio, the Archangel of something else, or what? Any guesses? - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:36 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: IN> Superior Hearts Do Superiors have Hearts? It's clear that the ones who've become Superiors in historic time had them before they became Superiors. So they might well still have them. The older superiors should have had them too. Except Yves (and thus, maybe Kronos). PCs probably can't do anything useful with a Superior's heart, apart from get into loads of trouble, even if they can get at it. But they're potential extra pieces in the high-level political game. It's obvious where the Demon Princes' hearts are: Lucifer has them, in somewhere quite obscure in the Lower Hells. But how about the Archangels? There isn't one Archangel who is both trusted and respected by all the others, so the hearts aren't all in one place. I'd expect that many of the Archangels have custody of their own Hearts, and keep them wherever they keep their servitors' hearts - Marc's in his tent, Blandine's in her tower, and so on. Some may trust another enough to look after it for them - - Litheroy and Yves, maybe - but many of them have too much ego for that. And Dominic would /really/ like to know where Eli's is hidden. It has to be somewhere that's too obvious for anyone to think of (or maybe in another archangels' custody): he's looked in all the other places it could reasonably be, and a lot of the unreasonable ones. Eli can hide things creatively, when he wants to. Given that Eli would have anticipated Dominic wanting to find it, there are a few Archangels he might have given it to. Michael, who would happily lie to Dominic about that. Gabriel, who isn't talking to anyone, and might well forget that she had it. Or Novalis; if Novalis promised to keep it safe and not tell anyone - well, I don't think Dominic could get it out of her. Any other suggestions? - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:48:55 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Michael and his Word > >The GMG timeline says that Michael became Archangel of the War just after >the Fall. That begs a question: what was he before the Fall? A >superior-without portfolio, the Archangel of something else, or what? > He was Michael, son of god, first born, holiest of holies (baring his father that is). Atleast thats how ive always taken it. He got the war thing cos of the conflict, it was his defining moment, it was what gave him his word. Til another time, Cas In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:52:34 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Michael and his Word >The GMG timeline says that Michael became Archangel of the War just after He's Archangel of War, not the War. The only celestial which has the word of the War is Baal (and in fact, the Sword is a word that works better as the War's opposite number, since it refers specifically to the war between Heaven and Hell, and not war in general). >superior-without portfolio, the Archangel of something else, or what? > I think officially Michael was a superior-level celestial without a word. I did toy with the idea of making him the Archangel of Strength before the Fall, though. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:54:42 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Hearts > >Michael, who would happily lie to Dominic about that. Michael can't lie, he's a Seraph. Anyway, I think Dominic's resonance would be powerful enough to detect a direct lie. Of course, Michael could make particularly devious half-truths. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:55:07 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Hearts >Do Superiors have Hearts? In a word, Yes. The various major spots in heaven, the cathedrals and so forth, jeans labs, marcs halls of commerce and so on. The books all allude that those are the hearts of the superiors. When Lucifer was cast out his cathedral went cold and silent, the glass all cracked. Til another time, Cas In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:05:46 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Hearts Hey, it's me, I'm back. Hi all! >From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) >Subject: IN> Superior Hearts >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:36 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) >Do Superiors have Hearts? According to the tale with Lucifer and Valefor in Superiors 4, yes. If that tale be canon (and not just one of the many lies and propaganda in Hell), not only do Superiors have Hearts... but it's just barely possible for a non-Superior to find one and steal it, and they're identical enough to a non-Superiors' Heart to be mistaken for one at first glance. (I'm referencing the sidebar story where Valefor allegedly becomes Demon Prince of Theft by finding... and then eating... Genubath's Heart.) [snip] >And Dominic would /really/ like to know where Eli's is hidden. It has to be >somewhere that's too obvious for anyone to think of (or maybe in >another archangels' custody): he's looked in all the other places it could >reasonably be, and a lot of the unreasonable ones. Eli can hide things >creatively, when he wants to. > >Given that Eli would have anticipated Dominic wanting to find it, there >are a few Archangels he might have given it to. > >Michael, who would happily lie to Dominic about that. Michael is a Seraph. Seraphs and direct lies don't go together very well. And while Michael (like any other Seraph) can refuse to give a responsive answer, if Dominic ever asked him the question directly... well, then the question is "Are Archangels immune to 'Obstruction Of Judgement' charges?" Given that Dominic takes dissonance for letting anybody get away with openly violating the rules, the answer is most likely 'No'. >Gabriel, who isn't talking to anyone, and might well forget that she had >it. This is a good choice, actually. In the Volcano is another place that Judgement servitors have trouble looking... especially given the way parts of it have been vanishing recently. >Or Novalis; if Novalis promised to keep it safe and not tell anyone - well, >I don't think Dominic could get it out of her. He probably could -- see above re: 'Obstruction of Judgement'. OTOH, she's one of the better choices to not be *questioned* by Dominic... at least not in this regard. Novalis is pretty darn low on the suspect list for almost anything. However, I think the best place for Eli to hide his heart would be in the Library. Not only is Yves the Superior that Dominic suspects the least, but (if it actually is part of Eli's Destiny to be doing what he's doing), Yves would be the most cooperative. And *nobody* finds anything in the Library if Yves *really* doesn't want it to be found. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:09:13 +1300 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: IN> Superior Hearts Then there is the story of Gabriel giving his heart to Blandine so that she could have a beacon to guide the demons back across the Marches. (Sup 3) I personally think of Superior hearts as being *in* the cathedral, in the place where the Superior spends most of their time. I find it hard to picture the entire cathedral being a heart. Things like Oaanes grotto would have shattered and Lucifer's cathedral would certainly have gone splat. Unless you take the heretical view that Lucifer is just an outcast Seraph Archangel who is "pulling a Habbalah" so to speak... then the theory stands. But that is *just* a theory, Most Just. Alex _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:20:02 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Hearts >>Or Novalis; if Novalis promised to keep it safe and not tell anyone - >>well, >>I don't think Dominic could get it out of her. > >He probably could -- see above re: 'Obstruction of Judgement'. OTOH, she's >one of the better choices to not be *questioned* by Dominic... at least not >in this regard. Novalis is pretty darn low on the suspect list for almost >anything. Not in the French game, heh heh . . . oh, boy . . . Anyone interested in an INSMV pbem? I'm serious. [I'd even run it in english for you, I'm that generous.] - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:23:36 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> INSMV pbem offer Hey, all, I'm on break for about a month. I'd like to run an INSMV pbem for the next few years (if it lasts that long). No, really. Any interest? - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:27:27 -0500 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Klingons Oh Wow, Thank you sir! That was very nice and very usefull...okay I AM running a IN SF so this will be one celestial to show up. Very principled and noble and yet aggressive. Thanks again! Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:36:01 -0500 From: "Brook Freeman" Subject: RE: IN> INSMV pbem offer > Hey, all, > > I'm on break for about a month. I'd like to run an INSMV pbem > for the next > few years (if it lasts that long). > > No, really. > > Any interest? I have no access to INSMV (and speak/read no French.) Is there any way to work around with that lack? If there is, I would be interested. Brook Freeman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:44:38 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Michael and his Word John Dallman wrote: > > The GMG timeline says that Michael became Archangel of the War just > after the Fall. That begs a question: what was he before the Fall? A > superior-without portfolio, the Archangel of something else, or what? > > Any guesses? I would guess that he either had no Word or had a Word something like Endeavor. It isn't touched on much in canon, but there are hints that, before the Fall, the choirs existed but the whole feudal system of Archangels (and of course the bands and Princes) did not, or not nearly in such a rigid form. There were clearly Wordbound angels before the fall -- Blandine, Beleth, and Andrealphus are specified by Word, for instance -- but the importance of being Wordbound may have been much less, and the distinction between Superior and servitor may have been less important. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:52:09 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Michael and his Word >From: Earl Wajenberg >Subject: Re: IN> Michael and his Word >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:44:38 -0500 [snip] >I would guess that he either had no Word or had a Word something >like Endeavor. It isn't touched on much in canon, but there >are hints that, before the Fall, the choirs existed but the whole >feudal system of Archangels (and of course the bands and Princes) >did not, or not nearly in such a rigid form. Michael's Superiors 1 writeup includes Novalis' opinion of him -- and in it, she mentions her regret that "He's been War for so long that he's forgotten how to be anything else." This implies that at one time, he /was/ something else. Or anything else. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Superior Hearts In article , jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) wrote: > Michael, who would happily lie to Dominic about that. Doh! Make that "Michael would happily not co-operate with Dominic...". - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:06:03 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Michael and his Word > John Dallman wrote: > > > > The GMG timeline says that Michael became Archangel of the War just > > after the Fall. That begs a question: what was he before the Fall? A > > superior-without portfolio, the Archangel of something else, or what? > > > > Any guesses? Couldn't he have been the Archangel of Glory or something like that? Just my 2 feathers, Donato ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:12:34 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Hearts >From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) >Subject: Re: IN> Superior Hearts >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) [snip] >Doh! Make that "Michael would happily not co-operate with Dominic...". Yeah, but hiding your Heart from Dominic by putting it in the Cathedral of Dominic's biggest enemy in Heaven is so uncreative... *g* I mean, If Eli really wanted to go for chutzpah points, he'd disguise his Heart as Dominic's desk. *LOL* Why not? Archangels don't have to worry about Trauma (or involuntary Vessel-loss, unless they make a habit of picking fights with notably larger Demon Princes), and if Eli ever needs to sneak back into Heaven he can just use any one of N dozen old Tethers. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:13:56 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Michael and his Word >From: "Donato Ranzato" >Subject: Re: IN> Michael and his Word >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:06:03 +0100 >Couldn't he have been the Archangel of Glory or something like that? Possible, but doubtful. There already is an Angel of Glory, and he's one of Michael's most senior Servitors. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:22:09 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Hearts From: "Charles Glasgow" > > I mean, If Eli really wanted to go for chutzpah points, he'd disguise his > Heart as Dominic's desk. *LOL* > > Why not? All it would take would be for Dominic to wish that he knew what Eli was doing while sitting behind his desk once while Eli wasn't thinking to maintain his Superior ineffability, and he'd be found. :;:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:43:59 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN Anime At 5:14 PM -0600 11/21/01, Andrew Hackard wrote: >I just saw the new cover for In Nomine Anime. New cover? Besides the Battle Angel mimic one? >It's very, very cool. This, I believe. >It's also very, very red. Too bad we won't have anyone in the office >who can post a new version of it until next week (muahahaha) . . . I'm either going to strangle you in effegy, or price digital cameras... >Let's play Mad Libs -- fill in the blanks with appropriate (or not) nouns: > >Big ______, Fiery ______ Remove the comma, and you get Big @$$ Fiery Sword...? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2459 ********************************