in_nomine-digest Friday, December 14 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2481 In this digest: RE: IN> New Demon Prince IN> In Nomine Unofficial Pages IN> Demonic games IN> A few questions... IN> Star Wars LARP Re: IN> A few questions... IN> IGNORE THE STAR WARS POST Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> A few questions... IN> Test... Re: IN> Test... Re: IN> Test... Re: IN> Test... IN> GurpsIN and Primal Forces I IN> GurpsIN and Primal Forces II Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> A few questions... IN> Game Starting Thursdays. Re: IN> A few questions... IN> Scenario: Redemption, Game Log I Re: IN> Triad 314 - Crescendo (Pt2) Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> A few questions... IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:25:41 -0500 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> New Demon Prince At 12:12 PM 12/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >I would suggest "*unless* they were personally imprisoned by a *higher >ranking* demon of Confinement." Unless you want underlings to get ideas >about abusing superior demons, which you might vary well want to encourage. If an underling can get his hands on a superior long enough to bind him, there's probably an extremely good reason for it. :) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:58:50 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> In Nomine Unofficial Pages Good morning, all! I've been spending the morning trimming the In Nomine Unofficial Websites page (http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/unofficial.html), and I've run across a few websites for which my links simply don't work anymore. I've sent out private email to everyone whose address I can find, but there are a few I can't locate. Therefore, if you *are* or know how I can reach the following people, please send me a *private* email to edg@sjgames.com (please don't respond to this! It'll go to the wrong address, and possibly to the list anyway): Eric Kidder (In Nomine Wackiness) Jason Corley (In Nomine: Sleepwalk) Richard Flanagan (In Nomine: New Orleans) In addition, I have neither names nor addresses for the following sites: Vapula's In Nomine Archive Light Makes The Shadows ....so if you ran either of those sites, or know who ran them, please send me a private email! I appreciate your help. :) Thanks, EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:16:27 +1300 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: IN> Demonic games I ranted. Sorry Archangel. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:37:20 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: IN> A few questions... I'm working on something IN-related (I'll post to the list when I finish), and I need some information for it. 1: Can someone describe Zadkiel's Aegis? Is it like Athena's Aegis, is it an actual shield, etc? 2: When the Grigori were Outcast, which Archangels (if any) went with them? (to put it another way, are the AAs of Song and Death Grigori in canon, and if not were there Grigori AAs at all?) 3: What Choir was Oannes? Vephar? Gebbeleth? Genubath? The Metatron's if it's known? Raphael? (I think Elohite, but...) 4: Where is Litheroy's Cathedral, and what is it? (I *think* it's in the Eternal City, but I'm not sure...) That's all I can think of for now. I'll probably have more later, though. Thanks. ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Ask Yves." "I doubt he'd give me a straight answer." "It's still fun to ask." "Besides, hard to track him down if you can't get into the Library." [pause] [mutters] "Though with my apparant luck, he'll sneak up on me within the week. If it's particularly bad, I'll be in Shal-Mari when he does..." Eli, Archangel of Creation, and Jesimiel, Balseraph of Dark Humor, 'Balseraphs Have More Fun' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:03:30 +1300 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: IN> Star Wars LARP Hey Ho, Seems like I am on a groove with posting so I might as well get this out of the way. I have written a LARP for Star Wars: The New Jedi Order and would like to get some kind of indication of interest. The overview follows. The New Republic is plagued with problems. Grand Admiral Thrawn's final assault on Coruscant before his defeat took a devestating toll on the morale of the New Republic and reduced the Battle Fleet to a handful of ships. Luke Skywalker, the beacon of Hope for the Republic has vanished into space. His sister Leia Organa-Solo has dissappeared after him. With no one to temper the diplomatic squabbling in the new senate things seem to be slipping back to the old ways. General Solo, a celebrated hero has fallen into depression. His partner and life long friend Chewbacca died defending his home planet from a World Devestator and his Wife has vanished with no explaination. His three children are becoming a headache and worst of all, he fears that one of them may be falling to the Dark Side of the Force. He yearns for the thrill of the chase and the excitement of his former life. Somewhere, deep in the outer reaches of Space, the Vong armies are decimating world after world. The Senate has convened to discuss issues relating to the future of the New Republic. Each senator has his own agenda. Plans are made, alliances are formed and enemies are made. A former Emperor's Hand is lurking in the shadows with a secret agenda of his own. A secret that when revealed will bring about a new era of darkness to the Galaxy. It is only a matter of time before the future becomes a reality. I can accomodate probably up to 15 people. The majority of the PC's will be Senators from different worlds in the Republic. Some will be Outer Rim Representatives. One lucky(unlucky) person will be the Emperor's Hand and someone will be Han Solo. No one will be playing a Hutt. Contact me if you want to play Archangel. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:04:14 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >1: Can someone describe Zadkiel's Aegis? Is it like Athena's Aegis, is it >an > actual shield, etc? Hmm, actually that would be Zeus's Aegis, which I actually believe was a breast-plate made from the she-goat who suckled him (only in D&D does it turn into a shield and Athena use it). I think that's right, don't quote me on it. I can't help you with Zadkiel, though. > >2: When the Grigori were Outcast, which Archangels (if any) went with them? > (to put it another way, are the AAs of Song and Death Grigori in canon, >and > if not were there Grigori AAs at all?) Song's offical, I think. I haven't read GURPS In Nomine, so I that's just the impression I've got from the forum. >3: What Choir was Oannes? Vephar? Gebbeleth? Genubath? The Metatron's if >it's > known? Raphael? (I think Elohite, but...) Metatron didn't have one. He was just a voice. Raphael was an Elohite. I don't think the choirs of any of the others have been declared. > >4: Where is Litheroy's Cathedral, and what is it? (I *think* it's in the > Eternal City, but I'm not sure...) Yeah, I think it is in the Eternal City. It is some sort of observatory, if I remember Heaven & Hell (it was a while ago that I read it). I know that in the center is a pool of water, and anyone looking into it can see anywhere in the Corporeal Realm. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:04:19 +1300 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: IN> IGNORE THE STAR WARS POST Sorry, wrong bloody list!! They have similar names! Alex _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:16:30 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >3: What Choir was Oannes? Vephar? Gebbeleth? Genubath? The Metatron's if it's > known? Raphael? (I think Elohite, but...) >snip Okay, so far as I can tell: Oannes: Kyriotate Vephar: Calabite (Fell) Gebbeleth: Balseraph (Fell) Raphael: Elohite (probably the first) Metatron: If not an exalted human (I thought Enoch was transformed into Metatron in the bible) then I'd definitely say a Seraph... though he could be another Yves-like being. Comments? Criticism? Fresh Fruit? Josh Moger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:26:40 +1300 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >>3: What Choir was Oannes? Vephar? Gebbeleth? Genubath? The Metatron's if >>it's >> known? Raphael? (I think Elohite, but...) > >Metatron didn't have one. He was just a voice. Raphael was an Elohite. I >don't think the choirs of any of the others have been declared. Oannes was an Ofanite. I think in the APG it calls him the Choir brother of Janus or something that implies he is an Ofanite. Vephar was a Calabite to my knowledge, the opposite of Oannes as most AA/DP pairings tend to be. Gebbeleth was a Balseraph, I have no idea where I got that from. Probably Superiors 4 where is mentions him against Alaemon. Genubath is the only one I draw a blank on. Mariel was a Habbalah? Makatiel was definately a Habbalah. Meserach was a Djinn I think. Alex _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:16:11 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Test... Is anybody getting my e-mails? - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:45:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Test... In article <001001c1837c$24256b60$b03fc818@Vidotron.videotron.ca>, Rolland Therrien wrote: > Is anybody getting my e-mails? Apparently the list is. - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:46:19 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Test... I hear you. Janet Anderson >From: "Rolland Therrien" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: "In Nomine Mailing List" >Subject: IN> Test... >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:16:11 -0500 > >Is anybody getting my e-mails? > >-Exit the LoneWolf > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:53:15 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Test... Well, I got that one. Josh Moger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:26:00 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> GurpsIN and Primal Forces I - -----Original Message----- From: Rolland Therrien To: In Nomine Mailing List Date: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: GurpsIN, Expanded Universes and Primal Forces >The other day, after browsing through some of my Gurps books, (mainly Gurps >IN, Cabal, Voodoo, Black Ops and Psionics, and I started conceiving the >construction of a unified campaign setting using all those books (plus >Illuminati, Blood Types and others). > >The basic concept would involve a multi-faceted war of shadows between >various secret powers on Earth, some Supernatural, others Technological. >The factions involved would feature Heaven and Hell and their earthly >agents, The mortal born Cabal and their supernatural allies, The >Voodoonistas and their Loas, The Vampires, Shangri-La and their agents >throughout Asia, The Djinni and their Assassin agents, various groups of >Psionists, The Black Ops, and other groups who aren't as pro-eminent. > >The Cosmological issues had me concerned, namely how to use IN's Heaven and >Hell with the Cabal's cosmology. Then I realized that there was more then >enough room in the Four Realms for IN's cosmology: Assiah is the Corporeal >Realm of Earth, Yetzirah the Astral and Briah the Iconic are different >sections of the Ethereal Realm, Hell is located inside the Abyss, and my >version of IN's Heaven is located on the outer rim of Atziluth, the >Spiritual. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:26:13 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> GurpsIN and Primal Forces II > >Angels would be Servents of the Godhead, charged with insuring that only the >worthy may enter Atziluth. Lucifer's followers were rogues who rebelled >against the tradition of protecting Atziluth, intent on claiming it's power >for themselves, but were cast out into the Abyss, where they are now >imprisonned with other, older Demonic entities and the still older >Qlipphotic beings. > >That got me to wondering how the various power systems would interact, and I >remembered Sean Punch's "Primal Powers" campaign setting >(http://www.io.com/~kromm/pcs.html) , which linked Chi, Psi and Magic into a >somewhat unified system of raw power. > >I immediatly saw the connections with In Nomine's Force system: Corporeal = >Chi, Ethereal = Psi, and Celestial = Magic. With Gurps, I could use the >Force Power Investiture Advantages to adapt the Primal Powers system: Power >Investiture (Corporeal) would allow the use of Chi abilities (or Chad >Underkoffler's Chi Magic System), PI (Ethereal) would allows the use of Psi >powers, and PI Celestial would allow the use of Spell-type Magic. > >I'm still working out the bugs in my concept, but I see lots of potential >here... > >Any opinions/comments/suggestions? > >-Exit the LoneWolf > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:14:07 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... Hey, Not having all the books with me, I'll post what I can recall. At 06:37 PM 12/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >I'm working on something IN-related (I'll post to the list when I finish), >and I need some information for it. > >1: Can someone describe Zadkiel's Aegis? Is it like Athena's Aegis, is it an > actual shield, etc? It's talked about in LR. IIRC it's a shield that has Zadkiel's Globe of Divinity attunement, dazzles diabolicals, and prevents line-of-sight (preventing resonance or attunement use). IIRC she doesn't use it herself but on rare occasions grants its use to favored Servitors. >2: When the Grigori were Outcast, which Archangels (if any) went with them? > (to put it another way, are the AAs of Song and Death Grigori in > canon, and > if not were there Grigori AAs at all?) Song is mentioned in one line in GURPS IN, but is not explicitly named. Death is not mentioned at all. There have been several writeups of Death on the list, and as I understand it, the AA of Death is known to canonically exist (but I haven't learned why yet). IIRC GURPS IN mentions that there are abandoned cathedrals for the "Grigori archangels" but doesn't name any of them. >3: What Choir was Oannes? Vephar? Gebbeleth? Genubath? The Metatron's if it's > known? Raphael? (I think Elohite, but...) Oannes is not given a Choir in the APG, although arguments have been made that he was a Kyriotate or an Ofanite. IMC he was an Elohite, but again, where canon is silent, GMs must hum their own melodies. I similarly can't recall a Band for Vephar. Offhand I'd say Shedite or Impudite, but that's the way I'd go. Gebbeleth IIRC was a Balseraph, it should be in the IPG or in S4 with Alaemon's writeup (again, no books with me, can't look it up, sorry). The Metatron is identified in the APG as a Seraph, but a later book only lists him as an angel believed to be a Seraph (either the GMG or the IPG, I had a post about this a few months ago). IMC he's a member of a minor Choir. When I asked for a canon resolution regarding the Metatron's Choir I was told to go with "possibly a Seraph" instead of the definitive statement "he was a Seraph". Raphael is identified as an Elohite (she was listed as a Cherub in the APG, this was errata'd). David Edelstein, incidentally, has an excellent writeup of Raphael on his site, where he identifies Raphael as the second most beautiful being in creation (this is where the near-veneration of Raphael comes from, I think). >4: Where is Litheroy's Cathedral, and what is it? (I *think* it's in the > Eternal City, but I'm not sure...) IIRC Litheroy's Cathedral is called the Abbey and is in the Eternal City. The reflecting pool has been mentioned earlier, and IIRC the Abbey has a number of Halls devoted to the display of some of Litheroy's finds, designed to generate interest in the viewer. The information is in H&H, which again, I don't have with me. >That's all I can think of for now. I'll probably have more later, though. >Thanks. Sure thing. Let me just address some other questions in this e-mail (it saves time). > Mariel was a Habbalah? Makatiel was definately a Habbalah. Meserach was a Djinn I think. Agreed on Mariel, although I can't cite a canonical reference. Unless I'm mistaken it's just generally agreed that she was a Habbalite, although it might be stated in the IPG that she was one. Makatiel a Habbalite? How so? I don't seem to recall any references that say so, but then again, that might just be my memory. I agree on Meserach, though. I can't recall if I read it in the IPG (probably in the same place as Mariel) or in Haagenti's writeup in S2. Thanks, ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools "One alone is much less than half of two." -- Dave Duncan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:39:12 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >the AA of Death is known to >canonically exist (but I haven't learned why yet). In Night Music, it mentions that the Angel of Teenage Death had hoped that the acquisition of his word would have allowed him to meet the mysterious Archangel of Death (which implies that Death is not an outcast, and therefore not a Grigori), and that he is discouraged because so far he has not met Death. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:05:57 -0500 From: "Brian R. Boyko" Subject: IN> Game Starting Thursdays. > More details to come, but I'm running an IN game in the Pyramoo on Thursdays > at 6PM CST (Austin) 7PM EST (New York) 12 Midnight (London) > > Brian. If you're not a Pyramid Subscriber but interested, email me - if there's enough people, I might move to MIRC - but only if alot of non-pyramid subscribers sign up. More details: System: In Nomine with Dramatic Editing House Rules (from Adventure!) Medium Low-Contrast Grey game world (not too light, not too dark) Medium-High cinematic action. If you know Adventure, great. If you don't, I'm only using about 2% of the rules from it - I can explain it to you right before the game starts. The following is for people who already know how Dramatic Editing Works. House Rules: 1) Dramatic Editing causes Disturbance as any essence expendature. 2) Angels know that they are spending essence for serendipity but they do not know how that serendipity will manifest (even though the _player_ knows.) Basic Ground rules: Minor Offscreen Effects: 1 essence. Minor Extension: 1 essence: Minor Onscreen Effect: 3 Essence. Major Onscreen effect. 5 essence: Obvious Continuiity violation: 7 essence. Plot Ramification: +1 to +3 essence. Plot Complication: -1 to -3 essence. - ---- Please email boyko@bellatlantic.net with characters. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:44:48 +0100 From: "Robin Gilijamse" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... > Hmm, actually that would be Zeus's Aegis, which I actually believe was a > breast-plate made from the she-goat who suckled him (only in D&D does it > turn into a shield and Athena use it). I think that's right, don't quote me > on it. Actually, it was just the goat-skin, which Zeus used to wave around, and which caused terror in his opponents. Later, he gave it to Athena, who stretched it over a shield to use it in war. She also mounted Medusa's head on it, for even more effectiveness. All in all, it is a pretty nasty weapon. Not at all angelic, more something Beleth would think of. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:09:01 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: IN> Scenario: Redemption, Game Log I Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted a message that I was starting a scenario roughly based upon the book "I know this much is true" by Wally Lamb. Some people were interested in this scenario and how it would go. Below is the first entry in the diary (game log) of one of the players in my group. He plays Ferriel, an experienced Malakite of the Sword. It is not really a coherent story but more his personal thoughts. As we are all Dutch I applogize for any bad grammar or spelling. I am not sure if it is really interesting to the people on this mailinglist, so if it is not then please say so and I will stop, no hard feelings :-) - ----------------------------------- Redemption - Diary Entry I Prologue Heaven.. Home. Ferriel couldn't believe he was back after his last ordeal. In fact, he still didn't really remember how it came about that he was here instead of on earth, fighting Evil. No matter, it is not a Malakim's lot to ponder long upon such trivial matters. Actions, now those do count. Talking about actions, he had to report to the Cathedral of the Sword where his lord awaited him with perhaps another assignment. He was told that his friend the Seraph Seraphael and another angel were to join him. As he walked through the great hall, banners of great battles against the diabolic forces hung silently against the walls. At the end of the corridor the massive doors of Laurence's audience room were waiting. He saw Seraphael and extended his greetings, then his gaze turned on the other form, that of an andronygous being with large eyes. An Elohite for sure. He wondered what this meant. As the line in front of them to the throne of Laurence got shorter, Ferriel overheard Laurence saying something to one of his advisors about "how could they have used a baby for something like this? Don't they really have no honor whatsover?" It was a bit sketchy, but the agitation in Laurence's voice made the Malakite uncomfortable. It was their turn now. Laurence spoke to each and every one of them, being very diplomatic, making sure as to not single one out above the other. He told them that Yves had asked him for a group of favored angels. Ferriel had performed well, under the circumstances, and of the Seraph Laurence had heard some good thing also. The Elohite would aid them in looking at the situation objectively. Alas, this was all the time he had for them and he told that when they descended to St Paul's Cathedral in their "hometown" London, they would meet an important person and he would fill them in on the details concerning their new assignment. He turned away from them and his cape turned graciously with him as he again took his seat to speak with the next group of angels. Ferriel thought he saw Laurence sigh. Day 1 The three of them descended to earth, back to London into St. Paul's. It was a Monday night and the clock had just struck 10. The church was dimly lit and as soon as they arrived, each of them felt a presence. As they turned, three figures stood there silently. One was a woman of almost 30 years who introduced herself as Harahel, she was a Friend of Man and a servitor of Destiny. Beside her, a young man of about 25 stood waiting and told them his name was Juriel. His rapid movements clearly showed that he was a Wheel and he was in the service of Lightning. The Elohite served Judgement, something the Seraph of War was not too comfortable about. But all eyes rapidly went to the third form, that of an elderly, wise man. The Archangel Yves. They reverently kept silent as Yves began to tell the story of a young man named Thomas Birdeye. "You know, he cut of his hand in the middle of the London Public Library, right there in broad daylight. And why? Because God had told him so. He read it in his Holy Bible. That's what he told everyone. He did it to try and put an end to this "war on terrorism". Yves told them that Thomas was being held at Hatch Forensic Hospital for the moment, a very well guarded place indeed. The group's first concern, Yves said, was to get Thomas transferred to a low-protected prison for less severe crimes. Thomas has a brother by the name of Dominick who has a girlfriend. They both live on Holly -Oak Street. His profession is a housepainter. The Angels should try and contact this brother to learn more of the situation. It seems Thomas is on the brink of either reaching his Destiny or his Faith. Yves pointed out that this assigment demanded responsibilty and discreetness as it is a very delicate situation. He had no need for something like Triad 314. Finally, the wise and ancient Archangel said: "I have seen the Destiny of young Thomas and it's a beautiful and great one. It would be a shame if this action would turn him to his Fate. Please, don't fail me". Later that evening the group introduced themselves to one another and agreed to meet at the London University library around 3 o'clock in the morning. Harahel held the position of head-librarian here and could get them all in. As it was only eleven o'clock, the group split up and each would spent the remaining time to do his or her thing. Harahel, as an experienced librarian, started by searching her computer for information about Dominick or the Hatch Institute, but when she turned it on, it exploded and took out most of her peripherals as well. There was a strong smell of brimstone in the air and she thought she saw an diabolic face in her monitor just before it exploded (she rolled 666, an Infernal Intervention). She couldn't believe what had happened. The Seraph of War, Seraphael, called her friend Dihoel, a very old Angel that has lived in London from the time it was still a village, and asked him if he had heard something of the incident and if he could remember something that may be important. The old Angel recalled the incident as he had read it in the newspapers but didn't know more about it. Elishapat's role on earth was as an Inspector of Scotland Yard and he used his resources to check on Dominick. He learned that Dominick kicked one of the security guards - by the name of Dwayne Taylor - in the groin the night Thomas was brought in. Also, from the police report on the incident at the London Public Library he learned that Thomas used a saw to cut of his right hand, through the wrist, and then took his artery and put a knot in it himself. Also, after the act he kept his right hand pointing upwards, possibly to reduce the amount of blood coming out of the wound, until help arrived. The physician that had examined Thomas thought this was almost a miracle as the pain would be so unbearable that most people would have fainted halfway through the bone. Around three o'clock in the afternoon, the angels arrived back at the University library and they started forming a plan of things to do. These were the plans: - - Elishaphat would use his resources at Scotland Yard to try to get some more information on the arrest of Thomas and related stuff. Also, he would try to contact somebody inside Hatch. - - Harahel and Seraphael would visit Thomas' brother Dominick to see what they can learn from the poor brother or his girlfriend. - - The Wheel Juriel would provide them with their exact address and the fastest way to it (hey, it's what he does best). After the meeting, Ferriel went to the London Public Library to see what he could learn over there. He met a friendly old lady who turned out to be one of the librarians. As he mentioned the accident, she told him that Thomas would come in every day and read all the newspapers, ever keeping his right hand pointing upward. He also talked a lot to himself, but never was a nuisance. In her honest opinion he was just a sweet lad who kept to himself. End of first entry in Ferriel's diary - --------------------- I hope this was of some interest. Please let me know if you have any comments, suggestions or complaints. Cheerio, Donato Ranzato ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:19:37 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Triad 314 - Crescendo (Pt2) >There was an almost tangible silence as the triad of Judgment sped down the >highway. >"Um, yeah Muriel. This could potentially qualify as a problem. Oh, my...." > >(to be continued) - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Discutez en ligne avec vos amis, essayez MSN Messenger : http://messenger.msn.fr/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:44:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... - --- "S.D." wrote: > 1: Can someone describe Zadkiel's Aegis? Is it like > Athena's Aegis, is it an actual shield, etc? It is an actual shield. I think H&H says that it was taken from Athena, but I'm not sure (no books with me yet again). There are no canon stats on it; as a Superior-level Artifact, it doesn't need any. > 2: When the Grigori were Outcast, which Archangels (if > any) went with them? In canon, none. Song and Death are not Grigori in canon, nor are any Grigori AA's mentioned in canon. > 3: What Choir was Oannes? Vephar? Gebbeleth? Genubath? > The Metatron's if it's > known? Raphael? (I think Elohite, but...) The APG says that Raphael was an Elohite, I believe. The S4 write-up on Valefor gives the Band for Genubath, IIRC. Metatron's Choir is CDaU (possibly he was something on the same order as Yves). I'm pretty sure that Vephar was a Calabite. I recall no Choir/Band data on Oannes or Gebbeleth. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:54:55 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 7:44 AM Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... > > --- "S.D." wrote: > > 1: Can someone describe Zadkiel's Aegis? Is it like > > Athena's Aegis, is it an actual shield, etc? > > It is an actual shield. I think H&H says that it was > taken from Athena, but I'm not sure (no books with me yet > again). There are no canon stats on it; as a > Superior-level Artifact, it doesn't need any. Actually, Liber Reliquarum (p. 98) has canon stats for it, and says that Zadkiel forged it herself. She also doesn't carry it herself... just as Michael doesn't need any magic enhancements to his axe, Zadkiel doesn't need any protective artifacts. Her Aegis is something that she won't carry until Armageddon, but she'll occasionally lend it out to other angels as needed. Actually, there's a whole "Superior Artifacts" section in LR -- with stats for Dominic's Cloak, Gabriel's Horn, Kronos' Pocket Watch, Vapula's Raygun, etc. Of course, sometimes those canon stats are "It just don't miss, and it slays whatever it hits except another Superior, and it don't need any more numbers than those"... but at least there's a cool description. *g* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:57:35 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... Josh Moger wrote: > Metatron: If not an exalted human (I thought Enoch was transformed > into Metatron in the bible) then I'd definitely say a Seraph... > though he could be another Yves-like being. Legend has it that Metatron started out as the Antedeluvian patriarch Enoch, but that's not in the Bible, Metatron never appearing there. In IN, Metatron was slain just before the Fall, and is believed to have been a seraph, but no one is sure. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:12:14 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >Actually, it was just the goat-skin, which Zeus used to wave around, and >which caused terror in his opponents. Later, he gave it to Athena, who >stretched it over a shield to use it in war. She also mounted Medusa's head >on it, for even more effectiveness. >All in all, it is a pretty nasty weapon. Not at all angelic, more something >Beleth would think of. Or Michael ("the Truth is - all's fair in War") - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Rejoignez le plus grand service de messagerie au monde avec MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com/fr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:48:06 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) "The four angels in the car have to realize that they are hopelessly outnumbered and trapped, sir. It's only a matter of moments before we should have them in custody, Captain Askevron. I'll hold them until your arrival. Silas out." The Balseraph smiled to himself as he hung up the phone. Although he would most likely get very little of the official credit, the fact that Asmodeus's hand-picked hunter had not been able to catch his target without assistance would tarnish the Captain's success and make it an almost hollow victory. The Prince of the Game would not miss that fact, and it would almost certainly be his first step on the ladder of promotion. The radio traffic was starting to increase as minor disturbances were coming from the car - most of them seemed to be coming from beer cans being thrown at the windshields of his agents. Still, he couldn't help thinking that there was a little more noise than was easily accountable for. The reports stated that this group of Judges was barely ranked as a Triad and was in disfavor with the Dominican hierarchy, but there was always the possibility of a independent thought reaching through their indoctrination. "Mavis, shoot out the car's tires. All others, prep for capture. The Director wants these vermin taken alive." After a brief exchange of gunfire, the car lurched to the side of the road, sideswiping the Taurus that had been next to it and taking both of them into a ditch. All the other cars ground to a halt, their doors exploding outward as agents surrounded the car. Another brief exchange of gunfire ensued, but was cut short by the shockwave of a Song of Thunder from the convertible. As the agents staggered back to their feet, a surge of essence was heard racing into the symphony, followed by a disturbance and a quick inrushing of air. The car was empty. Silas rushed to the car, looking around frantically. "DAMMIT! I thought you said they didn't have Celestial Motion capability! What the hell just happened here, Davora?" A female agent shook her head quietly. "There was a fourth one in there that wasn't noted at the Tether. He must have joined them on the road and facilitated their transport. At least they didn't get away with the relics or the data cores. Sometimes God grants us small favors, yes?" Silas nodded, then kicked the car hard. "Damn. All right - everyone fan out and try to find something that we might be able to use to attune to them and track them down. I'll... I'll make the call to Askevron." - ------------------- Several hundred feet down the road, the four angels crouched down in the ditch, covered in dirt and mud from crawling away from the swarming gamesters. Muriel looked back at the car and just shuddered, as she continued to crawl ever further away. "Laris, how long do you think this illusion will hold?" Very quietly, "For about another 5 or 6 minutes, but if any of them come close enough to pierce it, we're in trouble. If it hadn't been for Jack's thinking of that ethereal motion to steer the car, they might well have figured it out by now. Still, we've got that Djinn on us, and that'll be a problem. That illusion won't fool him for long. Frekariel whispered, "Yeah, that's really true. I'm overhearing their conversations, and that Djinn who's after us is a real heavy hitter. I've heard the name before - Askevron. One of Asmodeus's personal favorites. We're going to have to really get out of here, or we're going to need heavier support than what we've got now. If I don't do something, I'll be in some trouble here. It's not like I told the Tether I was coming to help you guys and all..." Muriel nodded. "Well, I've got enough essense to do an Ethereal Shields, and that'll confuse him for a few minutes, but not long enough to escape, unless we want to abandon the computers and the relics and everything else." Jack looked back at the gamesters, and then focused on the one who was looking at his cellphone and pacing back and forth. "Hey, Muriel - you know Celestial Charm, right?" Muriel nodded, looking back at the Cherub. "Yeah, but I'm not sure how that's going to help us much. Sayvil's in Trauma, so we don't have anyone who can do Possession..." Both Jack and Laris looked at Frekariel with appraising eyes, then looked back at Muriel. "We do now." - ------------------- Agent Davora walked by the side of the road, quietly venting her frustration at the quality of her 'companions'. This was a pointless endeavor, and she knew that it had been doomed to fail from the outset. Setting a Balseraph, of all things, in charge of this sort of operation was sheer foolishness. All the demons that she forced herself to deal with were worthless, slovenly examples of what happened when angels couldn't get things done right - if the situation were just a little different... She kicked a rock and cringed as she heard Silas's voice behind her. "Davora, might I have a word with you for a moment? Away from the others?" She turned to face him, and bit back the caustic remark dancing in her head when she saw the blank, faraway stare in his eyes. "Sure, let's just continue down the road a bit further." As they walked, the Balseraph turned to her. "Davora, for years I've mocked you and everyone who shares your... well, I would have said delusion a little while ago... but I've seen something, and it's changed me somewhat." The Habbalite laughed, shaking her head. "Really? And what, pray tell, have you seen?" "My death." The Balseraph stopped to look at her clinically for a moment. "By now, you must realize that this mission has been an absolute and complete failure. This 'Triad' has managed to destroy a Tether of The Game and destroy its Seneschal entirely. Asmodeus will... Asmodeus must not allow this sort of failure by the team to go unpunished. And unless extreme measures are taken, everyone in this squad, myself included, will most likely be executed for failure to achieve our objectives." Davora looked back at the team, who continued to search by the car. "Yes, I must admit that this thought has occured to me as well, but I don't know how we can prevent the inevitable. If it's God's will that this be done, I fail to see how we can possibly be spared..." Silas's eyes lost the glassy look and focused on Davora with an intensity that made her wonder if the Balseraph had gone mad, and also frightened her ever so slightly. "But that's where you're wrong, Davora. There is a way out of this..." He reached out and grabbed her hand painfully, and locked his eyes onto hers. "We have failed in this test, but there is a way to cleanse ourselves of this taint, Punisher." He twisted her arm, and then pulled a knife and pierced her hand and his in one blow. "Davora, I call to you in the name which you allow no demon to know you by, but which you swore yourself to the service of The Lord in. I call to you in the name of the oath that you took years ago, and the oath I myself swore only minutes ago." Davora tried to move away, but the knife that had pierced her hand felt so warm and reassuring, and she could feel something in his words that seemed more than a Balseraph's tricks. "Who... what..." "I am an agent. Just as you are, Davaranal. And we are agents that have an opportunity, Angel." The Habbalite shuddered as she heard her true name spoken by a creature that she knew could never have known it. "What... what do you mean?" The Balseraph whispered in her ear, "This Triad is known to be rebellious, treacherous, unwelcome in God's Sight. If we can do something that can please God enough to allow him to forgive our sloth and incompetence, he might yet cast them out as a sign of favor to those who know the Truth. If we could remove these... _swine_ ... he might grant you the strength to capture them before Asmodeus's hunter arrives. We would have these unfaithful dogs back in their place, and Prince Asmodeus would never need to realize that you know the Truth." The Habbalite turned to look into the Balseraph's eyes, tears of joy streaming down her face. "And what is that truth, Silas?" "That God sent Lucifer to Hell, not as a punishment, but to pave the way for the rest of Creation. So that through our work, we can either save the World... The Habbalite's eyes began to glow as she unslung her assault rifle. "Or burn it down..." she whispered. - ----------------------- Agent Davora's eyes positively glowed as the Taurus pulled up beside the others. Her faith had not been in vain - once the other filth was dispatched, the 'Triad' had been thrown to her feet in a heap. They still laid there unconscious, proof positive that they were as pathetic as he'd thought. Silas had actually proven to be capable of acting with an almost respectable level of ferocity, and he'd spoken of a particular place in Sheol where he planned to begin his ordeals. "Here is the hunter. We'll simply not tell him about your revelations. We can't let the others know that you've come to understand." Silas nodded in acknowledgement. A large framed man pulled himself from the car, looking out at the scattered bodies of the rest of the Team. "What happened here, Silas? I thought you said that you were going to tell me when you had them captured." He bent down and looked over at the three bodies at Davora's feet, then looked back at the Balseraph. "Well, at least they're in custody. Let's see about binding them for trial." The Balseraph nodded slightly. "I would have already done that, but there's a small problem." The Djinn looked back at the Balseraph, who had quietly brought his weapon in line with the Djinn. He started to back away from the two demons when a shot rang out and the Habbalite dropped to her knees. The three bodies that had been laid out at the Habbalite's feet quickly righted themselves and picked up weapons from the corpses of the agents around them. "You see, we're not the ones that need to be bound for trial." Askevron started to stammer something, but was cut short by a rifle stock to the back of the head from the Balseraph. Looking at the dying Habbalite and the unconscious Djinn, Silas turned and looked at Muriel. "Damn, I've never heard a group of people that could talk a Habbalite into killing its own people. That takes some serious mental work. Muriel, you sure you aren't at risk of falling?" Muriel blushed slightly. "I've just seen it done. Laris and Jack are the ones who deserve the majority of the credit. Still, let's get these prisoners in one of the cars, get some will shackles from that stack we stole, and get everything on down to the Tether before anyone else catches on. Any objections?" - --------------------- The three angels stood ramrod straight as Dominic paced back and forth in front of them. The list of violations and charges had been continuing for better than 5 minutes, and he showed no outward signs of slowing. Dominic turned to the Seraph and bent down to look into her eyes, his voice a mix of incredulous and angry. "And you actually expect me to believe all of this?" Muriel nodded. "It's the truth, sir. Every word of it." Dominic turned to look at the rest of the Triad. "The truth, yes. A very clipped, edited, and glossed over version of the truth that holds so much deliberate misdirection and calculated statements that I am almost pained to look upon it. Tell me, did you actually think that in destroying that Tether, your judgment was more sound in my own?" Laris muttered, "In this particular case, yes.", then paled and clamped his hands over his mouth. Dominic glared at them, the air of tension growing stronger and more pronounced by the second. Then the sound of a boot scraping the floor broke the silence, as a Malakite stepped forward and placed itself by Dominic's side. The Archangel of Judgment turned to glare at the interloper, then spoke again. "It appears that I will need to take some time to decide precisely what to do with you all. You are ordered to stay within the confines of Heaven until I summon you back and pronounce my formal decision. Dismissed." The three quickly walked out of the room, but at the doorway the younger Seraph looked back at her Archangel. "Really, sir. If there should be any blame that should fall, it should be on me, not them..." "Noted. You are dismissed, Muriel. Leave." As the door closed, Dominic turned to the Malakite. "Thank you for aiding the illusion, Bronwyn." The Malakite nodded as she stepped back, watching as several other angels walked into the room. One of them, a Seraphim spoke. "Do you think they realized what happened, sir?" Dominic shook his head. "No, Starkariel. I believe they accepted things exactly as they appeared on the surface, which is what we hoped. The force catcher that they acquired did contain the Renegade Yttrial, as your intelligence network related, and Yves says that his redemption went even more smoothly than hoped for. Does anyone else have any comments to make?" A kyriotate moved forward. "Only thing I can say is that I seriously hope we never lose these people. I've never seen anyone outside of those in this room that could pull off these sorts of operations. Do we have a timetable for integrating these people into the Whispers?" Dominic shook his head. "As soon as they learn patience, Judge Frekariel. Patience and Discipline. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2481 ********************************