in_nomine-digest Saturday, December 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2482 In this digest: Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> Test... Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> A few questions... IN> The First Nowell Re: IN> The First Nowell Re: IN> The First Nowell Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> The First Nowell IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:13:39 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) That was great. It's nice to finally read about a triad that doesn't sound like the gestapo. Thanks. Josh Moger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:15:58 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) Michael Cleveland wrote: > Dominic turned to look at the rest of the Triad. "The truth, yes. > A very clipped, edited, and glossed over version of the truth that > holds so much deliberate misdirection and calculated statements that > I am almost pained to look upon it. Of course, Dominic is hardly one to talk, weaving his very un-seraph-like scheme of misdirection. Very nice. It would make a good TV episode, if IN were a show. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:24:33 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) Niiiiice. I thoroughly enjoyed this story. Hope there's more to come. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:33:27 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) >From: Earl Wajenberg >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Triad314 - Crescendo (Pt3 - Final) >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:15:58 -0500 >Of course, Dominic is hardly one to talk, weaving his very >un-seraph-like scheme of misdirection. True. Although the one Dominic weaved in Moe's 'New Crusade' was much larger in scope, it required less actual deceiving by Dominic. For example, merely reading the list of charges (1) would just be a statement of the Truth, if a selective one. Delivering them while deliberately doing everything to communicate emotions that Dominic isn't actually feeling at all would, to my mind, border perilously close on actual lying. - -- Chuckg (1) Besides, with Dominic's rep, an entirely emotionless and flat Pronouncement Of Doom (Albeit Suspended) is *scarier* than him ranting angrily at the top of his voice. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:46:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... At 6:37 PM -0500 12/13/01, S.D. wrote: >I'm working on something IN-related (I'll post to the list when I finish), >and I need some information for it. > >1: Can someone describe Zadkiel's Aegis? Is it like Athena's Aegis, is it an > actual shield, etc? It's an actual relic sheld. (It's in the Liber Reliquarum.) >2: When the Grigori were Outcast, which Archangels (if any) went with them? > (to put it another way, are the AAs of Song and Death Grigori in canon, and > if not were there Grigori AAs at all?) Song is canon. Death is not canon. Note that Death's Choir (or even existance) is curently DaU. Not CDaU, but DaU. >3: What Choir was Oannes? Vephar? Gebbeleth? Genubath? The Metatron's if it's > known? Raphael? (I think Elohite, but...) There is a throwaway line in Superiors 3 that has Oannes as an Ofanite. If this proves to be annoying, it may change. O:> (A Wheel of Fire... with the Word of 'the Waters'... Soggy fires?) Vephar was, IIRC, Calabite. Gebbeleth was Balseraph (this is S4 or Feast of Blades, IIRC.) Genubath... Djinn or Calabite. (I had some fanfic with a Djinn called Genubath. Though I changed the fanfic name when Genubath got used for a Prince, I still have that floating in my brain.) Metatron was Metatron; often called Seraph. Raphael was an Elohite. Mariel (aka "Whatshername, Oblivion") has not been stated, I _think_? I've generally thought of her as Habbalite. (There might be some comment about her in S2, in Haagenti's writeup.) Makatiel was Habbalite. >4: Where is Litheroy's Cathedral, and what is it? (I *think* it's in the > Eternal City, but I'm not sure...) Eternal City, and called the Abby, I believe. (Heaven & Hell) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:44:51 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Test... At 9:16 PM -0500 12/12/01, Rolland Therrien wrote: >Is anybody getting my e-mails? No? O;> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:11:31 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >Note that Death's Choir (or even existance) is curently DaU. Not CDaU, >but DaU. > snip Forgive me my ignorance, but what do these strange, alien terms mean? DaU? CDAU? IIRC? Dept. of Newbie Relations, Naivete, and In-Jokes, Josh Moger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:18:16 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >From: "Josh Moger" >Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:11:31 -0500 >Forgive me my ignorance, but what do these strange, alien terms mean? > >DaU? CDAU? IIRC? DaU = Doubt and Uncertainty (The game don't say, 'cause they ain't made up their minds/ain't published that yet) CDaU = *Canon* Doubt and Uncertainty (The game not only don't say, but /never will/ say, because they want GMs to find their own answers as suits their own campaigns) IIRC = If I Remember Correctly - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:07:05 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... Josh Moger wrote: > >Note that Death's Choir (or even existance) is curently DaU. Not CDaU, > >but DaU. > > > snip > > Forgive me my ignorance, but what do these strange, alien terms mean? > > DaU? Doubt and Uncertainty. > CDAU? Canon Doubt and Uncertainty. > IIRC? If I Recall Correctly. That one's a net-standard rather than list-specific, but lots of people ask about it all over the place. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:27:16 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... At 3:11 PM -0500 12/14/01, Josh Moger wrote: >>Note that Death's Choir (or even existance) is curently DaU. Not CDaU, >>but DaU. >> >snip > >Forgive me my ignorance, but what do these strange, alien terms mean? > >DaU? CDAU? IIRC? IIRC is If I Recall Correctly. CDaU is Canon Doubt and Uncertainty -- i.e., canon will never reveal the Truth, so each GM gets to make it up as fits the campaign. Eli was Jesus? Cool. Kronos was Jesus? Also cool. DaU is just Doubt and Uncertainty. I.e., it hasn't been decided yet, and is unlikely to be decided soon. There's not a standard usage of INTY, which would be I'm Not Telling You. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:40:51 -0000 From: "Stephen McIlvenna" Subject: IN> The First Nowell A little early in the season maybe, but never mind. This seems to have turned out somewhere between Nativity Play and Pantomime. The First Nowell "And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, 'Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.'" The buzz of rumour and speculation ran around the halls of the Seraphim Council. The Archangels and most of the older angels knew what was happening and what it would mean. The rest only knew that something big was about to be announced. The whispers were silenced as a column of fire appeared in the centre of the hall. The flames died down to reveal Gabriel, Archangel of Fire and herald of heaven. Gabriel: It is done. The Son of God has been born and the people have been told. Jordi: I want it noted that sheep were among the first to receive the message ... Uriel: Did you see the child? Such purity! The wonder of the whole Symphony in human form. Dominic: This is highly irregular. That was not a vessel and it goes far beyond the Game's attunements. He was born as an actual human being. That leaves him vulnerable to all the failings and temptations of humanity. Uriel: You worry too much, my friend. The man may be tempted but the Son of God will know no sin. Eli: It sounds like a brilliant plan to me. What better way to understand the humans - thier pains and needs - than by spending time living in their corner of creation. Jordi: ... and innocent animals gave up their stable when your humans refused. Michael: I thought the Messiah was meant to lead us into victory. I have forces ready to move at a moments notice. I don't see how taking the form of a human child will help us. Raphael: His birth has fulfilled many words of Isaiah and the prophets. In time he will fulfil many more. But not all at once, not yet. Novalis: Besides, Mike, one of his titles will be 'Prince of Peace' you know. Janus: Don't know about that. But if I understand things, he's really going to shake up the establishment down there. The Pharisees need a good kick up the backsides. They've stifled people in laws and bureaucracy for too long. Dominic: Laws delivered by God. Janus: Maybe so. But if I have my way we can use this chance to take our Words beyond the Jews to all nations and races. Novalis: What is that lovely smell? Janus: Oh, ah .. this? It's called 'Frankincense, pour homme'. Some of my Servitors picked it up while they were in Bethlehem. Ahem. David: He will need companions if this work is to be done. I will begin a search for suitable men. Strong men. Hard, honest workers. Jordi: I'll search for a suitable donkey. Should he need transport. Yves sat quietly and smiled. If this was how the other Archangels reacted to the birth, he couldn't wait to see how they would react to the Son of God's death. Meanwhile in Hell the assembled Demon Princes sat quietly. The echo of doors slammed by Lucifer could still be heard. The force of his anger could still be felt, though minutes had passed since he had informed them of recent events. Kobal: Well, he seemed a little upset, wouldn't you say? The other Princes turned to stare at the Prince of Dark Humour. Kobal: Still, at least we know why the Son of God wasn't born closer to the heart of Uriel's precious Roman Empire. The stares grew colder, if possible, though a few were replaced by confused frowns. Kobal: I mean have you tried finding a virgin and three wise men in Italy these days? Asmodeus: Such blatent divine interferance with humanity contravenes all rules of the Game. This is intolerable. Andrealphus: A virgin birth? A _virgin_ birth! Talk about making a Demon Prince feel redundant. Malphas: There is little to worry about. Our wise colleague of Death has suggested a plan which my Servitors shall propose to the local human ruler. Asmodeus: Saminga has suggested ...? I can hardly wait to hear. Saminga: Kill all the babies!!! Asmodeus: Sheer brilliance. Any other suggestions. Malphas: I shall place Servitors throughout Israel and follow this Messiah. For every human that receives Heaven's message, another shall ignore it and two more shall propose alternative teachings. Baal: Slightly more promising I suppose. If Michael starts to throw his weight around we will make sure our followers are in a position to respond with force. Uriel isn't the only Superior will influence over the Romans. Asmodeus: It is a start. It has been a long time since the Lightbringer was so concerned with the War. We must observe this carefully. As the Princes filed out, Mammon picked up his copy of the report and reread the briefing. Gold, frankincense and myrrh. The Son of God had come to men and their first reaction was to spend a substantial amount of their income on over-priced presents that the recipient could not possibly expect to use. If this event was to go down in history perhaps he could find a way to put his own spin on things. Stephen http://www.btinternet.com/~s.mci/innomine/inindex.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:03:18 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> The First Nowell This was *great*! This: >Kobal: I mean have you tried finding a virgin and three wise men in Italy >these days? this: >Saminga: Kill all the babies!!! and this: >As the Princes filed out, Mammon picked up his copy of the report and reread >the briefing. Gold, frankincense and myrrh. The Son of God had come to men >and their first reaction was to spend a substantial amount of their income >on over-priced presents that the recipient could not possibly expect to use. >If this event was to go down in history perhaps he could find a way to put >his own spin on things. were *classic*. I'm still giggling. %^) >Stephen William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:57:03 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The First Nowell Stephen -- you definitely get my Essence for the day! Great stuff. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:25:06 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... >DaU = Doubt and Uncertainty (The game don't say, 'cause they ain't made up >their minds/ain't published that yet) > >CDaU = *Canon* Doubt and Uncertainty (The game not only don't say, but >/never will/ say, because they want GMs to find their own answers as suits >their own campaigns) > >IIRC = If I Remember Correctly > >-- >Chuckg > snip Thank ye. Josh Moger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:37:23 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The First Nowell From: "Stephen McIlvenna" > A little early in the season maybe, but never mind. This seems to have > turned out somewhere between Nativity Play and Pantomime. Brilliant! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:42:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... (Sigh) It would be nice, I suppose, to actually have a somewhat normal idea every so often. _Any_ normal idea. I would also like to state, for the record, that I am not now, nor ever have been, a member of the Communist party ... and that, if there is any justice in this universe, Senator Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn are currently gut-shooting each other for a note of Essence in some Stygian dark alleyway. :) Moe Marxists in Heaven, or "Long live the Glorious Revolution against the Infernal Feudal-Imperialist Fascist Deluded Running Dog Lackeys of Lucifer!" Yes, there are Marxists Up There, and there will be as long as the achievement of one's Destiny/Fate remains even slightly independent of one's religious beliefs. Of course, not all Marxists are atheists, but quite a few were ... and the Lord knows enough of them were selflessly getting themselves killed for various causes in the 20th Century anyway. Apparently, God doesn't really care too much if you believe in Him, Her, It or They: do the Right Thing, and you get your reward. This has caused some problems for his loyal servants, naturally. Now, Heaven is very good at keeping the Pax Dei (and keeping various ethnic, religious, cultural and social groups from each others' throats until everybody learns to behave), due to long, long experience. However, classical Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite-(insert political thinker here) have always been a ... unique .... problem. First off, many of them weren't really consciously expecting an afterlife. Second, most of them find the political structure of Heaven to be archaic, imperialist and (worst of all) annoying feudal. Third, just about all of them are big on revolutionary movements. And let's not even bring up Marc. However, there are some mitigating factors. First of all, there's the Pax Dei. This (coupled with the lack of explosives, firearms and/or other weaponry among the general population) has made armed revolution somewhat ... tricky. Then there's the fact that you can't actually tell a lie in Heaven, which keeps down the ideology a tad, or possibly a tad and a half. Also, a Truly dispassionate observer - good thing that there's a lot of them among the Host - will readily affirm that the core aims of most communist and/or socialist movements are worthy. It would be a good thing if everybody worked together for the common good and ignored external differences while doing so, and most angels will cheerfully admit that - even if they aren't Servitors of Stone. As a result, there are several Heavenly socialist/communist groups engaged in helping to fight the War. Much to everyone's bemusement. The Red Guards Actually, these guys found it really, really easy to acculturate themselves: Michael and David have that effect on people, especially soldiers secretly worried that they'll have to spend the rest of eternity playing on some bourgeois harp while wearing a ridiculous, archaic halo and wings. Being told that they can instead get to play with in the mud with large armored vehicles and larger artillery pieces is usually deeply reassuring. The lack of political officers isn't anything to sneeze at, either: there's more than one former Soviet tank general blessed soul who can't believe his luck. The head of the Red Guards (Marshall Zhukov) feels this way, only more so: it's almost as if this part of Heaven was designed this way especially for him. The Red Guards have thus found themselves comfortably ensconced in the Heavenly Host. Like the rest of the blessed souls who have volunteered for Armageddon, they spend most of their time in gloriously difficult maneuvers in the Glades (which have the most interesting microclimates, by the way), honing their already impressive skills and engaging in comradely solidarity on their generous leave times. The highlight of the Red Guards' training cycles are the 'annual' war games against the Eagle Brigades (their main rivals): both Zhukov and his opposite number (General George Patton, not-so-oddly enough) pull out all the stops for this one. So far, they're pretty much running dead even on points. The Committee for Social Justice It's an innocuous enough name, but the individuals are anything but. You see, socialism in Meso and South America has always had an odd sort of love-hate relationship with organized religious groups. There's been a lot of anticlerical, Marxist movements, but a lot of times they were spearheaded (or at least figureheaded) by actual clerics who were able to reconcile the teachings of Marx and the teachings of Christ. As the next logical step was to insist that their higher-ups on the greasy pole of rank do the same, well, let's just say that there's been a steady stream of radical priests suddenly arriving in Heaven. This makes them Laurence's headache ... excuse me, 'responsibility'. It isn't so much the interesting interpretations of Scripture, or the odd doctrinal positions. That's old hat to the Archangel of the Sword: indeed, theological and ethical arguments are one of his favorite pastimes. It isn't the fact that they keep a rigorous watch on corruption in the Church-in-Heaven. They won't find any, but they're welcome to keep themselves amused by continuing to look. It isn't even that they universally and continuously argue for Heaven to take a more active role in running the Church-on-Earth. Laurence would love to be able to intervene more openly. No, the major problem is that, once someone explains to them about the concept of Saints, every single one of them invariably volunteers for the honor, usually in triplicate, with a neatly-typed list of possible missions attached (complete with the estimated firepower needed to accomplish each). Experience has shown that agreeing to this can end ... awkwardly. Laurence is trying to work around this problem by allowing the most energetic of these special martyrs to form a Committee for Social Justice. Their task is to analyze various regions where the Church is powerful, determine where a bit of pressure or influence will do the most good and pass their analyses along to the Archangel of the Sword. It's had mixed results: while the data is very useful, the Committee is notoriously leaky. For some reason, more than one Committee analysis (complete with especially-egregious violators of the social compact, and the aforementioned ordinance estimates) have unaccountably made their way into the hands of grinning Servitors of War and/or Divine Fire... The People's Glorious Revolutionary Celestial Collective And, well, these are the odd ones. Technically, they're in open revolution against the bourgeois, capitalist, imperialist and feudal authority of Heaven. They've got barricades, guard posts, posters, pamphlets, newspapers, a radio station and a lot of slogans. What they do not have is an actual Revolution, so much as a perpetual piece of performance art. When it comes down to it, every blessed soul in the Collective knows that the wicked entities that are oppressing them are neither wicked nor oppressive - in fact, they all know that Heaven has absolutely no intention of acting against the group unless they start bothering people. Furthermore, the alternative to angelic rule is worse. Much, much worse. The Revolution isn't going to happen any time soon. However, there's something to be said about arguing about the Revolution, debating it, drawing and sculpting it, writing songs about it - all fueled by extremely strong triple expresso (Marc may be a running dog lackey of the capitalist warmongers, but his coffee connection is excellent). It's something to do - and, after all, it's Heaven. People here are entitled to do what pleases them, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Besides, there's always the chance that actually living the classless society up here will provide insights that could be useful down on Earth. In Heaven, you can experiment with theory until you get it right. And, of course, there's the fact that being a revolutionary is often a good way to meet members of the opposite and/or desired sex. Like the Committee, the Collective doesn't have a leader - that would be elitist. Oh, there are some blessed souls that people will listen to (or at least not call names), but no real leaders. Indeed, getting the entire Collective to agree on anything beyond the most general concepts is usually an exercise in futility. Usually: one thing that the Collective agrees about is that a symbolic act is necessary to show that the revolutionary movement is still strong. Plans have been hatched: a silent cabal plots and schemes. This one will prove the might of the Collective: they will stealthily infiltrate and claim a Superior's Cathedral for the Revolution! That will show the Seraphim Council that they will not be trifled with and marginalized! Needless to say, it would be irrelevant to note that the Cathedral in question is Eli's. Or that it's got plenty of space, art supplies and good lighting which nobody's using. Or that its few, lonely caretakers have been begging someone - anyone - to drop in and keep them company for about five decades now. Or that the Archangel of Creation is undoubtedly going to bear with profound equanimity the embarrassment of having a horde of fanatical artists 'capturing' his Cathedral. Or even that Genetrice, Kyriotate director of the Passion Play, is rumored to have offered to pay all shipping costs, just so long as she gets some reliable performers out of the deal... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/13/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 06:10:37 -0800 (PST) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... > What they do not have is an actual Revolution, so much > as a perpetual piece of performance art. I laughed, I cried, it was much shorter than Cats! Long live the Glorious Struggle! Thanks! This is good!