in_nomine-digest Monday, December 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2484 In this digest: Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence. IN> Book suggestion Re: IN> Book suggestion Re: IN> Book suggestion Re: IN> Belial's Discord Re: IN> Belial's Discord IN> Christmas Miracles. Re: IN> Book suggestion Re: IN> Tethers and non-Superior Words IN> Req: Demon of Confinement Re: IN> Book suggestion IN> The Pillar of Celestial Fire Re: IN> Book suggestion Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Re: IN> Tethers and non-Superior Words Re: IN> Word Defeat: a Christmas Competition. Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. IN> Old post Re: IN> Belial's Discord IN> They Are Very Much Like Us: Part 1 Re: IN> Janus.. Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... Re: IN> The Pillar of Celestial Fire Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Re: IN> The Pillar of Celestial Fire IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling Re: IN> Book suggestion Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling Re: IN> Janus.. Re: IN> Belial's Discord Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling Re: IN> Belial's Discord Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling Re: IN> A few questions... Re: IN> Tethers and non-Superior Words ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:42:53 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence. At 05:10 PM 12/16/01 +0000, you wrote: >In article <20011215064259.10969.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com>, >moelane_1999@yahoo.com (Maurice Lane) wrote: > > The Red Guards > > .... The lack of political officers isn't anything to sneeze at, > > either > >Not many of them make it to heaven? What a surprise! The ones who were >just trying to keep things honest will probably end up serving Judgement; >the rest, well, Malphas agrees they're his, but sometimes he isn't sure if >he likes them or loathes them. Wouldn't Asmodeus want them? Not counting the fact they're already trained in a lot of skills he'd want to use (let's face it, Asmodeus IS Hell's political officer), but their function in life was basically to make sure everybody played by the rules someone else made. - -- Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:00:54 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Book suggestion Hey, would anyone else here be willing to pay $15-$20 for a book of nothing but fan adventure seeds (such as from our Iron competitions), fun artifacts and fan-NPC's? Just wondering, reading Moe's last post regarding Yves' artifacts mused me into thinking of this. In Nomine On-line? I'm not sure what the legal ramifications would have to be, but . . . I think we've generated for that enough material for such a book, and a damn fun one at that. I'd **love** to see some illustrations for some of our creations. :) - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:45:41 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Book suggestion Perry Lloyd wrote: > In Nomine On-line? I'm not sure what the legal ramifications would have to> be, but . . . I think we've generated for that enough material for such a> book, and a damn fun one at that. I'd **love** to see some illustrations> for some of our creations. :) You'd have to get SJG's permission for any such venture, and if you're expecting SJG to _publish_ it, you'd have to submit a proposal like any other book idea. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:43:30 -0500 From: "Brian R. Boyko" Subject: Re: IN> Book suggestion >In Nomine On-line? I'm not sure what the legal ramifications would have >to be, but . . . I think we've generated for that enough material for >such a book, and a damn fun one at that. I'd **love** to see some >illustrations for some of our creations. :) > >-Perry Might work as a PDF sale Brian. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:08:38 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Belial's Discord - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > The Prince of Fire is showing up in my game, and I > realized that I don't > know what his Calabite Discord is. Alas, the question - for Casca's game, at least - is now pretty much moot...* > I'm leaning > towards Berserk or Paranoid > (look at his Dissoance condition for justification), > but thought I'd get the > list's opinion. ....but it's still an interesting question. I'd say something nice and Ethereal, but I'm having difficulty thinking up something that sings. Moe *No, I did _not_ soul-kill the Demon Prince of Infernal Fire. I just happened to be there when it happened. Nobody can prove differently: any witness to the death can testify that it wasn't me who shot him/ripped his head off/drank his blood. I was off doing something else. Honest to God. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/13/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:14:20 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Belial's Discord - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 12:08 AM Subject: Re: IN> Belial's Discord [snip] > *No, I did _not_ soul-kill the Demon Prince of > Infernal Fire [snip] > Honest to God. Yeah, right. Step over here into Heaven and say that, in the celestial tongue (angelic dialect). :-) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:38:57 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Christmas Miracles. Ok, my previous post hasn't had that much of a response... ^^! But here's a new thought I had after watching CBS's "The town without a Christmas" tv movie special. The story of that movie involves a scoop-hunting journalist (a woman) who recieves a letter to Santa from a young kid named "Chris" who threatens to commit suicide if Santa doesn't help his village (which was going to skip the village Christmas pagent). She decides to go to that village to check out the situation. Meanwhile, a (male) author who was rescued from a snowstorm by a mysterious lumberjack when as a child finds a series of paintings by a certain "Max" which reveal the chain of events that progress throughout the movie special. In the end, and over the course of events, the author and the journalist find out who the child is and help the town restore it's christmas spirit, thanks to the help of Max, who turns out to be more then human... (Spoilage) ....Max turns out to be an Angel, most likely one of Destiny, who was also the "lumberjack" who saved the author's life. He definetly seems a competant servent of Yves: he brings two individuals to their Destiny, brings a whole town closer to God, brings a family back together and manages to embarass The Media along the way. That got me to thinking... All those Christmas Miracles that keep happening... What if Christmas Time was when Heaven organized a big "best Miracle" contest? Whoever performs the most inspirational Miracle wins? - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:21:45 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Book suggestion From: "Perry Lloyd" > In Nomine On-line? I'm not sure what the legal ramifications would have to > be, but . . . I think we've generated for that enough material for such a > book, and a damn fun one at that. I'd **love** to see some illustrations > for some of our creations. :) A good idea. I think an e-book in .pdf format is the best option. Maybe there is a good illustrator on this mailinglist that can do some drawings to go with it. Donato ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:57:47 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Tethers and non-Superior Words > At 05:10 PM 12/16/01 +0000, you wrote: > >Tethers seem to be something that go with the Superior state-change. If > >you aren't a superior, you don't get them. Is that it? Or, like most > >rules, is it more complicated once you look hard? I guess that, for example, Wimbledon could be a Tether protected by the Angel of Tennis but it would fall under the Angel of Sport, who is a favoured servitor of the Archangel of Stone. David would have created the Tether but he would leave it in charge to the Angel whose Word best encompasses the Tether's raison d'etre. Or am I now totally wrong? Donato ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:19:43 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: IN> Req: Demon of Confinement A couple of weeks ago somebody posted a write-up of the Demon of Confinement. As my scenario takes place in a mental institute I am really interested in him but I forgot to save that message. Can that person sent that write-up again to me (private e-mail)? Or can I find him somewhere on the Net? Thanks in advance! Donato ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:01:33 +0000 From: "R L" Subject: Re: IN> Book suggestion >A good idea. I think an e-book in .pdf format is the best option. Maybe >there is a good illustrator on this mailinglist that can do some drawings >to >go with it. > >Donato As for general graphics and layout, I could probably do logos, headings, borders and stuff. I am a graphic designer and work mostly in Adobe Illustrator. As for actuall illistrations... well thats a matter of taste and I haven't don it for a long time, but I'll see what I can do. Ron "The breath of the fluteplayer, does it belong to the flute?" - -Rumi _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:43:59 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: IN> The Pillar of Celestial Fire I received this book excerpt on another mailinglist and I immediately thought of In Nomine and Gabriel in particular. It seems that her absence in Heaven has a more positive note to it. - ----------------------------------------------------- Excerpt from: The Pillar of Celestial Fire Robert Cox (I guess he is a Soldier of Fire - Donato :-D) In order to initiate the new Golden Age, the life force of the Creator must descend into our midst and be infused into the depths of our souls and the very fabric of the Earth. The "life force of the Creator" is not a euphemism. It describes an actual physical-spiritual force that periodically descends upon our planet in accordance with an ancient cosmic rhythm. It descends as a wave of luminous subtle matter or celestial fire. The wave of celestial fire emanates from the heavenly regions at the center of the Universe. It is carried to the Earth from those regions by an invisible pillar of celestial fire. The pillar of celestial fire may be understood as a vast stream of cosmic life force filled with the Divine Presence of God. It's unique function is to uphold the intimate relationship between Heaven and Earth. It connects our planet with the blazing glory of Heaven at the center of the Universe. However, the pillar of celestial fire cannot be seen through a telescope. This is because it is not composed of ordinary matter. It is composed of luminous subtle matter (essence? - Donato)). This type of matter is too subtle to be seen with our ordinary eyes. It can be seen only through the spiritual eye - the eye of pure consciousness. Nevertheless, it is very real, and has been described in various ways by Seers throughout the ages.. Metaphorically speaking, the pillar of celestial fire may be compared to a cosmic umbilical cord. Through this golden cord of subtle matter-energy the life-breath of the Creator flows to our embryonic world at the beginning of each new cycle of Ages, infusing Light and Life into every atom and cell on Earth. The life-breath of the Creator flows along the cosmic umbilical cord as a wave of celestial fire. This wave already has been unleashed and now is on its way to our world. When the wave of celestial fire washes over our world, everything that we know will be changed irrevocably. The Earth will become infused with the Divine Presence. It will be set on fire with the ineffable glory of Heaven. Although this transformation is inevitable, the character of the transformation - whether it is gradual and gentle, or sudden and violent - - is within our own hands. The wave of celestial fire is coming. It is our job to prepare ourselves and the entire Earth to receive it. - ------------------------------------------------------- So, it seems that the reason for Gabriel's absence is because she is about to unleash her biggest project on Earth to date; the complete Enlightnment of the Human Race in one go. A wave of divine sparks of inspiration in every human being. Let's see Belial top that :-) Donato ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Book suggestion - --- Perry Lloyd wrote: > Hey, would anyone else here be willing to pay $15-$20 for > a book of nothing > but fan adventure seeds (such as from our Iron > competitions), fun artifacts > and fan-NPC's? I certainly would. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... Moe, I really need a case or three of whatever it is that you've been drinking. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > That got me to thinking... All those Christmas Miracles > that keep > happening... What if Christmas Time was when Heaven > organized a big "best > Miracle" contest? Whoever performs the most > inspirational Miracle wins? I like it! One quibble (isn't there always?): considering the multicultural flavor of IN, wouldn't Heaven be obligated to hold similar contests for Ramadan, Passover, Diwali, Chinese New Year, etc.? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Tethers and non-Superior Words I do allow non-Superior Tethers IMC, but they're never as strong as Superior-held Tethers. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Word Defeat: a Christmas Competition. If I get my computer fixed soon enough, you're on! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:52:56 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... >From: Michael Walton >Subject: Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, >got the Essence... >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:39:33 -0800 (PST) >Moe, I really need a case or three of whatever it is that >you've been drinking. If I had a nickel for every time we've heard that... :-) - -- Chuckg (PS -- I'll have what the guy on the floor's having.) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:56:30 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. > I like it! One quibble (isn't there always?): >considering the multicultural flavor of IN, wouldn't Heaven >be obligated to hold similar contests for Ramadan, >Passover, Diwali, Chinese New Year, etc.? And this is a problem how? But a quibble for your quibble: the reason for a miracle contest at Christmas is that Christmas is associated with a miracle. I think Passover is also. But I'm pretty sure Ramadan isn't, and have my doubts about Chinese New Year ... so what you want is religious holidays which are celebrated due to a miracle. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:08:24 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. From: "Janet Anderson" > But a quibble for your quibble: the reason for a miracle contest at > Christmas is that Christmas is associated with a miracle. I think Passover > is also. But I'm pretty sure Ramadan isn't, and have my doubts about > Chinese New Year ... so what you want is religious holidays which are > celebrated due to a miracle. Maybe it is only a contest for Angels that either support a Word which has to do with Birth/Light (Christmas) or one which has to do with Rebirth/Regeneration/Hope (Passover)? Donato ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:22:49 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. >From: "Donato Ranzato" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:08:24 +0100 > >From: "Janet Anderson" > > > But a quibble for your quibble: the reason for a miracle contest at > > Christmas is that Christmas is associated with a miracle. I think >Passover > > is also. But I'm pretty sure Ramadan isn't, and have my doubts about > > Chinese New Year ... so what you want is religious holidays which are > > celebrated due to a miracle. > >Maybe it is only a contest for Angels that either support a Word which has >to do with Birth/Light (Christmas) or one which has to do with >Rebirth/Regeneration/Hope (Passover)? > I just want to know what Dominic & Yves do for Yom Kippur :) jo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:48:09 -0400 (AST) From: Philip Vincent Barkow Subject: IN> Old post A while back someone (I think it might have been the Redneck Gaijin) posted a write up of the Babylon 5 Shadow-war story arc as a possible basis for an In Nomine campaign. Does anyone have a copy of that, or know where in the digest archives to start looking? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:00:31 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Belial's Discord > > *No, I did _not_ soul-kill the Demon Prince of > > Infernal Fire [snip] > > Honest to God. > > Yeah, right. Step over here into Heaven and say that, in the celestial > tongue (angelic dialect). :-) It's True. Moe had every opportunity to aid in the destruction of Belial -- indeed, had he been paying attention to other things, it might have been his character who got to fire the Holy Browning .50 cal with Blood of Christ Tipped Bullets -- but instead, he chose to concentrate on saving human lives and souls from Hell. In short, he decided not to munchkin because it was the the Right Thing To Do. May God have mercy upon his reputation. :) - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:24:30 +0000 From: "Jonathan Walton" Subject: IN> They Are Very Much Like Us: Part 1 I thought it was about time In Nomine had an all-involving conspiracy... :) - ----- They Are Very Much Like Us Part 1: The Celestial Perspective Many whisper that the Grigori were the first to find out. As the closest to humanity, the Truth hit them particularly hard. The worst part was, even more than the Seraphim, the Grigori could recognize this Truth when they heard it. The Watchers were the children of the Symphony, and the underlying theme was instantly apparent, once they knew which melody to listen for. Of course, the Grigori tried to spread word of their findings, but few beyond their own choir were willing to listen. Frustrated, the Watchers pressed the Archangel of Song to present their dark discovery to the Seraphim Council, convinced that the other Superiors must not be aware of the Truth. How could they be? It was unthinkable. When Song finished, the Council Chambers were filled with a dead silence. Yves, Michael, and Dominic looked especially grave. However, most memorable of all was the expression of horror that appeared on the faces of the Mercurian Archangels. Eli and Marc just stared blankly ahead, their pale countenances a mixture of terror and disbelief. The "trial," if that's what you want to call it, took place on the spot. There was no jury, no arguments were made, and no quarter was given. Dominic's sentence was to take effect immediately and an entire choir became Outcast. The reasoning was never made completely clear. Officially, the charge was fornication with humanity, but that had been going on for centuries. After all, how did the Grigori and Mercurians come to be in the first place? Still, the Seraphim Council (Eli and Marc haven been escorted out for a little "reeducation") stood behind Judgment like a wall of Stone. It was David's Malakim who greeted the Watchers as they stepped down from the clouds to their new Corporeal home. Those who survived, emerging centuries later from Limbo, were dealt with on a case-by-case basis. What became of the Archangel of Song and the other exalted Watchers is not known. David told the Council that the Grigori Archangels had been "dealt with" and offered no further clarifications. Despite extreme measures on the part of Heaven, news of the Watcher's discovery spread to Hell. The Fallen already knew, of course, at least the older ones (and, because of that knowledge, were fulfilling their own sentence), but the research of Song's servitors, smuggled to Vephar by a newly-Fallen Skulker, revealed far more than anyone had previously imagined. Once Heaven learned of this, the problem was quickly dealt with. However, in blindly carrying out the orders of the Council, it seems Oannes stumbled across the information himself. Strange how none of the Host showed up to help when the Archangel of the Waters happened to encounter Belial less than a century later. And Gebbeleth. The secret was safe with the Prince of Secrets, but soon it was the Prince who needed to worry about his safety. Not all in Heaven approved of such tactics, especially against elder second-generation Celestials like Oannes. Chief among the dissenters was Michael himself, the Firstborn. Dominic, true to form, was prepared to do what must be done, until the Almighty stepped in to change Michael's mind. David's head servitor, Magog, was the next to have issues. In his case, the Angel of Fortitude was a little too ruthless in protecting the secret. Though Lucifer hoped to turn the Kyriotate against his former masters, David and Khalid (then, Angel of Faith) managed to remove Magog from the picture. When, in 600 BCE, the prophet Zoroaster removed a few layers of Eli's conditioning, most of the Host (with the exception of Dominic) was too busy to notice. Belial, looking for an excuse, later charged that Demogorgon was an avatar of Janus, snuck into Hell to destroy traces of the forbidden knowledge. Evidence for this claim was minimal. The spread of early Christianity, especially the more Gnostic strains, led to a break between Michael and the camp of Yves and Raphael, the latter of whom was a strong patron of the Gnostic church. Later, when Dominic accused Gabriel of acting too independently in her creation of Islam, Yves did nothing, earning a deepening of Michael's distrust. There seemed to be a double standard of who could propagate secrets. Uriel's destruction of Beelzebub, and the subsequent recall of Purity, mirrored the Oannes-Vephar incident centuries earlier. History, it seemed, was repeating itself. If Legion was Michael's way of killing two birds with one stone, and sending Yves a warning in the process, evidence of his involvement is well hidden. Whatever God told Kobal, it does seem coincidental that it was with Dark Humor's help that Haagenti rose to power, leaving two more dead Superiors in Gluttony's wake. Lucifer was not pleased at the thinning of his own forces. After everything that came before, Makatiel's death was a strange incident. Though Lucifer thought the Prince's vessel-diseases had great promise, Asmodeus and Dominic agreed that Disease posed too much of a threat to both sides. Internal conflicts were developing in both Heaven and Hell, with the elders bickering among themselves. Then, in a watershed event, Eli finally broke through to what he had been made to forget. Dominic was not happy to find that the Creation had slipped out from under his nose. Most recently, Khalid is the issue of the day. Formerly a chief minister of the conspiracy, the Archangel of Faith had seen too much. After helping to imprison Magog, Khalid watched as Uriel, his partner in crime, was removed from duty, and Gabriel meandered off the deep end. Kobal and Malphas did their best to recruit Khalid to the other team, but eventually the cavalry arrived. The "reborn" Archangel of Faith, with the new outlook that he has been given, might even last longer than Eli did. That's Dominic's hope, at least. - ---- To be continued. Look for the next two parts soon, which will detail the Ethereal and Corporeal perspectives and offer more hints about the Grigori's discovery of fnord. Later. Jonathan Agent of the InNominatti _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Janus.. Most of this didn't make much of an impression on me. But when I saw the Shedite of Chaos Attunement, my jaw hit the floor and bounced. Nice work, Cass. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:30:08 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> So you say you want a Revolution? Been there, done that, got the Essence... Heh. Just re read Barry Ween Boy Genius, Monkey Tales issue 5. Which is is a comic book that can almost be described as what it would be like if Jean had a seriously Discordian streak AND lost a bet with Christopher. (Barry goes off on a rant much like Moes, but more so.) Personally, I think it is the funniest thing since sliced bread (sic). >(Sigh) It would be nice, I suppose, to actually have a >somewhat normal idea every so often. _Any_ normal >idea. > Daiv, Offanite of Tech Support, In service to Coffee. - -- hammer and anvil fire sweat iron and breath forging destiny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:36:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Pillar of Celestial Fire - --- Donato Ranzato wrote: > So, it seems that the reason for Gabriel's absence is > because she is about > to unleash her biggest project on Earth to date; the > complete Enlightnment of the Human Race in one go. Not necessarily. She could be out to punish the cruel -- ALL of the cruel -- at once. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > And this is a problem how? Not at all really, just curious. > But a quibble for your quibble: !!! My first counterquibble! Frabjous day! 08> > the reason for a miracle contest at > Christmas is that Christmas is associated with a miracle. > I think Passover > is also. But I'm pretty sure Ramadan isn't, and have my > doubts about > Chinese New Year ... so what you want is religious > holidays which are celebrated due to a miracle. Ah. Perfectly sensible, that. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:40:07 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> The Pillar of Celestial Fire >From: Michael Walton >Subject: Re: IN> The Pillar of Celestial Fire >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:36:36 -0800 (PST) >--- Donato Ranzato wrote: > > So, it seems that the reason for Gabriel's absence is > > because she is about to unleash her biggest project on Earth to > date; >the complete Enlightnment of the Human Race in one go. > Not necessarily. She could be out to punish the cruel -- >ALL of the cruel -- at once. Oh, but that's just a beneficial side effect. :-) - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:47:43 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling I realize that it's been established that Archangel of Archives is opposed to the (much more powerful) Demon Princess of Nitpicking, but I wonder if there isn't another Archangel who ought to be opposed to Nitpicking. What about the (Seraph) Archangel of Quibbling? Allied with Eli and Litheroy? Hostile to Gebbeleth and Malphas? Would you get a +1 to the Archangel's invocation in the presence of Robert's Rules of Order? (Would you get the same +1 if you were invoking Nitpicking?) Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:00:30 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling > I realize that it's been established that Archangel of Archives is opposed > to the (much more powerful) Demon Princess of Nitpicking, but I wonder if > there isn't another Archangel who ought to be opposed to Nitpicking. What > about the (Seraph) Archangel of Quibbling? Allied with Eli and Litheroy? > Hostile to Gebbeleth and Malphas? Would you get a +1 to the Archangel's > invocation in the presence of Robert's Rules of Order? (Would you get the > same +1 if you were invoking Nitpicking?) Archangel? Perhaps an *angel* of Debate. > Janet Anderson Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Book suggestion > Hey, would anyone else here be willing to pay $15-$20 for a book of > nothing but fan adventure seeds (such as from our Iron competitions), > fun artifacts and fan-NPC's? Yup, although PDF is probably the best bet. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:20:32 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling >From: "Ben Glickler" >Subject: Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:00:30 -0700 >Archangel? > >Perhaps an *angel* of Debate. Archangel of Precision? - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:21:26 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Janus.. > Most of this didn't make much of an impression on me. >But when I saw the Shedite of Chaos Attunement, my jaw hit >the floor and bounced. Nice work, Cass. >Michael Walton Ah then my task was acheived, something in there made sense to some one. Some one else enjoyed what i produced. *does a dance* Yay Til another time, Cas In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:26:53 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Belial's Discord From: "Eric Bertish" > > Holy Browning .50 cal with Blood of Christ > Tipped Bullets *blink* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:28 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling In article , cglasgow@hotmail.com (Charles Glasgow) wrote: > "Ben Glickler" wrote: > >Perhaps an *angel* of Debate. > > Archangel of Precision? Cut to the chase - The Angel of Pedantry. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:40:25 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling >Cut to the chase - The Angel of Pedantry. No, I put the *Demon* of Pedantry under the aforementioned Archangel of Nitpicking, right next to the Lilim* Demon of Academic Squabbles, who divides her time between Nitpicking and Factions. Janet Anderson (*so many people really seem to *need* to argue) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:45:09 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Belial's Discord Prodigal wrote: > From: "Eric Bertish" >>Holy Browning .50 cal with Blood of Christ >>Tipped Bullets > > *blink* Yep. Long story, but it starts with a man, a spear and a curse and goes on from there ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:44:50 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling >Perhaps an *angel* of Debate. Oh, I'm sure there's an Angel of Debate. Probably a Mercurian; definitely not a Seraph. Servitor of either Yves or Michael, depending on whether the focus was on education or on winning the debate. (No, I do not claim these things have to be mutually exclusive. And the angel would give equal attention to both. But the angel's personality and technique would be shaped by which Archangel he started with (or ended with). Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:03:18 -0500 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Nitpicking and Quibbling Janet Anderson wrote: > Oh, I'm sure there's an Angel of Debate. Probably a Mercurian; definitely > not a Seraph. An Elohite would seem to be a shoe-in ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:02:45 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A few questions... At 10:39 PM -0500 12/15/01, S.D. wrote: [Re Mariel] >Nope. Might be a fanon thing. (that is, not canon but almost everyone uses >it.) I'm almost positive I could cite the Djinn bit from Sup 2 if I had the >book here, and I *think* it says she was Memory in there. And me with no way to get at my books at the moment. *grumph* >>>>Makatiel a Habbalite? How so? [...] >>It's in S1. O:> > >No wonder I didn't know that. I don't have S1 yet. ^^; Oh, well, there's always Xmas... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:54:16 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Tethers and non-Superior Words At 5:10 PM +0000 12/16/01, John Dallman wrote: >Tethers seem to be something that go with the Superior state-change. If >you aren't a superior, you don't get them. Is that it? That's the basic premise... >Or, like most >rules, is it more complicated once you look hard? A bit more complicated, if I recall Liber Castellorum... Sometimes Tethers form which seem to be more aspected towards a particular Word-bound Servitor of a Superior -- especially one who spends a lot of time in the celestial realm. However, a mere Word- bound cannot stabalize a wild Tether, nor draw Essence from it (probably; note potential adventure seed here) the way a Superior can. So the Superior stabilizes the Tether, and draws the Essence... If the Servitor later graduates, and is angelic, his ex-Archangel may give him promotion-gifts of such Tethers. E.g., Christopher might have gotten some from Stone. Kobal probably gave Haagenti a few as a boost. For more detail, see the Liber Castellorum (Book of Tethers)... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2484 ********************************