in_nomine-digest Tuesday, December 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2486 In this digest: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening IN> Demon characters RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... Re: IN> Finishing off Odin.... Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Re: IN> Finishing off Odin.... Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. IN> Souls of the Machines Re: IN> Book suggestion Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Re: IN> "GANGWAY!!!!!" Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? IN> In Sluginomine Re: IN> They Are Very Much Like Us: Part 1 Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? IN> Really, I quite like Christmas. Really. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:09:46 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Adam Benedict Canning wrote: > Of course there are a number of angels, lead by Lawrence who > get terribly embarrassed by the site of two of heavens finest in long > scarves and bomber jackets powering tanks round the borders of heaven > with manic grins on their faces. I love this image, especially since I picture seraphim as six-winged Chinese dragons. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:15:50 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. >From: Earl Wajenberg >Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:09:46 -0500 >I love this image, especially since I picture seraphim as six-winged >Chinese dragons. I love the image of Janus yanking Dominic's chain by buzzing the track in his 'borrowed' (1) M-1 Abrams and literally driving circles around the Judgement-Mobile during the final lap. *eg* - -- Chuckg (1) No, *not* stolen. /Borrowed/. Michael knows perfectly well where one of his tanks is, and given that the purpose was to annoy Dominic he was more than agreeable about lending it. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:22:23 -0500 From: "Brook Freeman" Subject: RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... > Unless the PC's find out, and stop the True Tsayadim, of course.... > ================================================================ Does one of the True Tsayadim have a vessel/6 in the form of a minilop bunny with a relic switchblade? Brook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:30:35 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. >From: "Adam Benedict Canning" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:49:40 -0000 > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:22:49 +0000 > > From: "Jo Hart" > > > > I just want to know what Dominic & Yves do for Yom Kippur :) > >Its terribly terribly embarrassing. > >You see they race armoured vehicles round the walls of heaven. I'm missing the atonement part of that. jo _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:04:02 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. Of course there are a number of angels, lead by Lawrence who >get terribly embarrassed by the site of two of heavens finest in long >scarves and bomber jackets powering tanks round the borders of heaven >with manic grins on their faces. Someone find that Malakite a tank of his own and see how fast the embarrassment disappears ... Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:20:22 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. I can see this. And you might find, along with the Ofanim and the Mercurian and Cherub Servitors of Jean, some Servitors of Fire, Stone, Wind, Protection. And not just vehicles. Some of the souls would belong to computers (Lightning, Creation). Some would belong to stuffed animals (Children, Protection). (For an enjoyable look at sentient vehicles, take note of one of the supporting characters in *So You Want To Be A Wizard* by Diane Duane.) Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:03:27 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening Yes, I know, the movie's not out till tomorrow. And I haven't seen it. So writing these is totally premature. So? I'm bored and jumping the gun. *shrug* *grin* Dominic -- A movie with a black-and-white distinction between Good and Evil. He was content. Bronwen -- (blink) (nod) (thumbs-up) Justinian -- *Mwr.* (For the sake of mercy, we will skip over the twenty-seven minute legal lecture Dominic had to give the theater owner before he was allowed to bring Justinian into the theater. As well as the threats to report him for fire code violations. Hey, Incarnate Law /works/ for you.) Michael -- Cheered like a maniac during the battle scenes. Interspersed that with a lengthy (and loud) lecture on the literary roots of the Tolkien saga in old Norse sagas and other epic forms. And that guy who yelled "Hey! Down in front! And quit talking!" has no idea how lucky he is that Novalis (and her Seraph of Flowers attunement) was sitting next to him. David -- Had to be reminded that having popcorn thrown at the back of one's head is *not* "hitting first". Hey, is it his fault he blocks the view of six rows behind him even when he's slouching down? Laurence -- Was grooving on the movie so much he hyperventilated and had to be carried from the theater. Fought his way back in for the second reel. Zadkiel -- Loved it. And she kept acting out Arwen's scene at the Ford of Bruinen for almost an hour after the movie ended. Novalis -- Cried during the Aragorn/Arwen scenes. Thought the Shire was a wonderful place and made a resolve to try and form an agrarian commune somewhere like it. Did not like the majority of the movie (too loud and violent) (1), and came largely because she's the only person who can keep Michael in his seat during an action flick. Jean -- Didn't. Say. A. Word. (Marc had bet him fifty bucks that he couldn't get through the entire movie without changing expression at least once. Marc lost. But it was /close/.) Marc -- Spent the entire movie using his Palm Pilot to send nasty e-mail to Nybbas. :-) Was slightly grumped about losing his bet with Jean. Eli -- Well, they /think/ that was Eli in the front row, but by the time Dominic got up there he was gone. Litheroy -- They haven't taken that padlock off his mouth -- or let him out of the closet -- ever since he got back from the first advance screening. Nobody wanted to be spoiled for this one. :-) - -- Chuckg (1) Actually, she loved it, but even Litheroy doesn't know that Novalis' secret vice is action movies. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:08:14 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening Charles Glasgow wrote: > David -- Had to be reminded that having popcorn thrown at the back > of one's head is *not* "hitting first". Hey, is it his fault he > blocks the view of six rows behind him even when he's slouching down? And slouhcing is almost imperative if you insist on manifesting buck naked. (Usher: "Excuse me, sir, but this is a PG movie.") Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:34:32 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening >David -- Had to be reminded that having popcorn thrown at the back of one's >head is *not* "hitting first". Why not? Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:16:52 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening >From: Earl Wajenberg >Subject: Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:08:14 -0500 >And slouhcing is almost imperative if you insist on manifesting >buck naked. > >(Usher: "Excuse me, sir, but this is a PG movie.") Yves did have to explain to David that while the sign only said "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service", the presence of shorts was also implied. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:20:31 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening > >Eli -- Well, they /think/ that was Eli in the front row, but by the time >Dominic got up there he was gone. > Heehee. I don't know why, but it was this line that really cracked me up. I don't quite know why, perhaps it was because it was unsuspected and yet is so, so appropriate. So my question is, should Dominic keep staking out the first screenings of movies, especially the independent and artsy ones, on the off-chance that Eli will stop by and give them a look? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:28:41 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Demon characters The appeal of playing demonic characters for me is the appeal of playing "Lazy incopetant evil", "mildly insane", or "Smoothe and seductive" the problem everyone seems to have is when playing demons players assume that you have to utterly without morality and cackling "Ho Ho Ho let's destroy this mortal for the hell of it". That is a stereotype enforced by Mythology and Dungeons and Dragon's I fear along with Vampire but works very little with In Nomine where demons for the most part like angels are just screwed up really long lived mortals. I've run three demonic characters in my time and while there people I personally wouldn't want to meet in a back ally they are people I'm not ashamed of playing because they are fictional individuals. I'll share one... Minos is a servitor of Baal and takes a great deal from Damian Thorne in the Omen Trilogy along with mixing it with alittle Al Pachino in the Devil's Advocate and the hero of the Prisoner mini-series. Basically as a Hellborn Djinn mixed with the forces of an older demon Minos has absolutely no idea what morality is like save what Baal has taught him. "God is an evil tyrant, Mortals are inherently lesser beings, Angels have commited untold massacres on Demons and the Pagan gods....the new order will be a paradise once the Anti-Christ has made God bow towards him and remake the world without pain, suffering, or distaste...unless people want it" Is this a crock on Baal's part? Certainly but as a favored servitor of said entity Minos is frequently subject to said rants and what exactly are you going to say to a Prince Balseraph's words? Minos comes less off as evil instead as severely misguided with a mild cruel streak to everyone around him...and that's for the best....besides what else are Gremlins for? Another possibility for demon games are the fact that the Devils are surounded by People who are just as bad as they are and a Demon's worst enemy isn't an angel but another Demon. For instance you might be a professional thief, a Kobal prankster, etc but your a far cry from the pscyho-shedim in town you as a demon want to take care of. It's not acring strictly and fighting Renegades as an Asmodian might take you more against complete apcolypse pscyhos than redemptives. Recommended Viewing for playing Demons * The Devil's Advocate Sure Al Pachino is a scumbag but the fact remains that he lives a fairly high rise life and the people he's corrupting arn't so much being seduced into evil but upfront giving themselves right up into it. * The Godfather Part II Michael Corelone is the perfect example of a Hellborn Demon in a way, he's amoral and forced to make difficult choices but there is no other patricular life out there for him and if your conscience gets to you about your character...take note how miserbale he really is. * Resevoir Dogs A Calabim, a Aging Djinn, A fast talking Impudite, and a Angelic Infiltrator (probably Malakim) on a mission that goes horribly wrong. * The Usual Suspects Kevin Spacey displays exactly what the perfect Balseraph should be like, not the leader of the group but the weakest of them. The "hero" in this case is the man who wants to live on Earth in a normal life but his 'bosses' won't leave him alone and he's just meat to heaven. * The Rocky Horror Picture show Unless your players and theri characters are extremely comfortable in their sexuality I wouldn't recommend stealing the plot for this one but the essential idea remains that demons come off as just extremely strange people who live how they want to live rather than how society dictates. * Snatch and Lock, Stock, and two smoking Barrels If there is a reason why I use a large number of Crime movies to identify Demons it is mainly because there is a clear correlation between the Mafia and How hell works IMM. Basically you have people who have essentially crossed the line of murder, theft, and fear yet somehow still try to stay together long enough to form a society....abeit a highly dysfunctional one. * Fight Club While some might use this as the rallying cry for Stone there is a strong element to saying Tyler Durden is the archtypical demon for bringing about the changes to humanity he feels necessary....just imagine if Project Mayhem was started as a Hellsworn service to the War. You have your psychos, your weary older demons who just don't know any better, you have your hendonist materialists, and you have your "royalty" in Hell. You even have the people trying to do the right thing the majority of the time before they say &@@* it and shoot someone in the face. Magog for instance was made as a villain in Revelations mostly because I believe people thought he was so unremorsfully evil demons could feel good fighting him. - -charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:41:33 -0500 From: "Brook Freeman" Subject: RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/18/boy.santa.ap/index.html Ok after seeing this I had to post it in this thread. Listen to the wonderful Media inspired New Speak at the end from the employee. It just screams plot seeds to me: Was the boy a Ethereal Soldier? Just well intentioned and given too much good cheer for the local demonic presence to tolerate? Innocently promoting the materialization of Christmas and the Angels threw him out? and on and on... Brook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:46:29 GMT From: "prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Jo Hart writes: > > model Asmodeus' office on the civil service (ie. > lots of red tape and bureacracy > -- often incompetent), I can just imagine the episodes of "Yes, Dark Prince" now... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:05:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Janet Anderson wrote: > I can understand enjoying the playing of *evil* characters. But > to me, demons in IN are not just bad or evil; they're spiteful and > nasty and gross and loathsome. You mean they're more than "just" evil? And that this extra load of repulsiveness is so repellent, you don't see how anyone could enjoy playing them? David Edelstein wrote: > Demons don't always have to be evil. Some are just selfish and > justify their own actions as being rational and what they have to > do to survive. Bevan Thomas wrote: > In my characters' case, they weren't really evil, most of the time, > they just didn't really treat people as anything besides toys for > their amusement. They enjoyed toying with them, screwing them up for > their amusement, and then laughing as chaos descends. Um. What do you two mean by "evil" if being selfish and callous and manipulative isn't "evil"? Are you looking for blatant atrocity? I'm reminded of a chunk from "The Screwtape Letters," where the senior devil, Screwtape, tells his nephew, "No doubt, like most young tempters, you are anxious to report spectacular wickedness. ... But murder is no better than cards, if cards will do the trick. .... The safest road to Hell is the gentle downward slope, soft under foot, without milestones, without signposts." Or something like that. (Quoted from memory.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:06:19 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? >From: "prodigal" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:46:29 GMT > >Jo Hart writes: >> >>model Asmodeus' office on the civil service (ie. >>lots of red tape and bureacracy >>-- often incompetent), > >I can just imagine the episodes of "Yes, Dark Prince" now... That's exactly what that campaign was based on ;) I prolly still have the intro notes somewhere. jo (Helped a lot that at least one of my players was a civil servant at the time.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:38:11 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Um. What do you two mean by "evil" if being selfish and callous > and manipulative isn't "evil"? Are you looking for blatant atrocity? Not necessarily blatant atrocities, but something more concrete than merely being selfish and manipulative (under which definition most humans would be considered at least somewhat "evil"). On a philosophical level, it's probably a distinction without a difference -- yes, being deliberately selfish is probably a form of evil. But for roleplaying purposes, it's the difference between playing someone kind of sleazy whom you can nonetheless empathize with, and playing someone for whom you feel absolutely no empathy because they're so nasty. (Which is why I raise an eyebrow at people who play "nasty" demons -- either they don't empathize with their characters at all, in which case I wonder what's the point, or else they do, in which case I wonder what's wrong with their head.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. - --- cassandra benner wrote: > Now, as humans, we often assign genders and personalities > to vehicles, from > the bombers used in WW2, through to ships or the cars we > drive. > > What if there was a little corner of heaven, a -scrap > yard- of sorts where > the souls of these personified vehicles end up. [stunned silence] Oh, manomanoman... where's a plot seed to plant this in? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... - --- Brook Freeman wrote: > Does one of the True Tsayadim have a vessel/6 in the form > of a minilop bunny with a relic switchblade? I'm ashamed to admit my ignorance, but I don't get the reference. Or is that a Britishism that we poor Yanks just wouldn't get? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > Litheroy -- They haven't taken that padlock off his mouth > -- or let him out > of the closet -- ever since he got back from the first > advance screening. > Nobody wanted to be spoiled for this one. :-) Heh. Which is why Litheroy never gets invited to surprise parties. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "A lot of comedy is tragedy plus time." -- Carol Burnett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:54:43 -0500 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... At 02:42 PM 12/18/01 -0800, you wrote: >--- Brook Freeman wrote: > > Does one of the True Tsayadim have a vessel/6 in the form > > of a minilop bunny with a relic switchblade? > > I'm ashamed to admit my ignorance, but I don't get the >reference. Or is that a Britishism that we poor Yanks just >wouldn't get? Nope. It's a Sluggyism. www.sluggy.com Bun-Bun is the Token Cute Talking Animal in the strip, who incidentally has a mean streak, watches Baywatch, has an ongoing rivalry with St. Nicholas, and wields a switchblade. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:53:30 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Finishing off Odin.... Michael Walton wrote: > > Does one of the True Tsayadim have a vessel/6 in the form > > of a minilop bunny with a relic switchblade? > > I'm ashamed to admit my ignorance, but I don't get the > reference. Or is that a Britishism that we poor Yanks just > wouldn't get? Reference to a character from the Sluggy Freelance web comic. A psycho bunny rabbit who carries a switchblade and can kill anything. (Personally I find Bun-Bun's "invincibility" tiresome, but he's popular with the fans.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:56:05 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? > >Um. What do you two mean by "evil" if being selfish and callous >and manipulative isn't "evil"? Are you looking for blatant atrocity? I guess I mean that they are almost evil by accident. They aren't real sadists, they don't revel in suffering, they just don't really think of humans as being for any reason besides their amusement. My second Kobalite, Lyxius (a Balseraph, the demon of Ruining Important Community Figures in a Humorous Matter), was actually more concerned with screwing over his enemy, the angel of vermin (in the service of Jordi) then in spreading evil. Yeah, it was a really high-level campaign, where everyone played power word-bound (and eventually played superiors!). Anyway, because my character was mainly obsessed with getting the angel of vermin, he spent a lot of his efforts to convince the mayor to order a purge of all the rats in the city and clearing up the slums (ironically Lyxius occasionally behaved in a seemingly more moral manner than his opponent). Basically, my character didn't try to be evil, he simply didn't feel that humans were important enough compared to his goals: driving out the angel of vermin and getting a good laugh. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:02:06 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Finishing off Odin.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:42 PM Subject: RE: IN> Finishing off Odin.... > --- Brook Freeman wrote: > > Does one of the True Tsayadim have a vessel/6 in the form > > of a minilop bunny with a relic switchblade? > > I'm ashamed to admit my ignorance, but I don't get the > reference. Or is that a Britishism that we poor Yanks just > wouldn't get? Sluggy Freelance. Worship the comic. - -- Chuckg http://www.sluggy.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:06:13 GMT From: "prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> What the Superiors did at the LOTR screening Bevan Thomas writes: > > So my question is, should Dominic keep staking out > the first screenings of movies, especially the > independent and artsy ones, on the off-chance that > Eli will stop by and give them a look? Even more importantly, is that perhaps a conscious decision on Eli's part? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:14:36 GMT From: "prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Jo Hart writes: > >> From: "prodigal" >> Jo Hart writes: >>> >>> model Asmodeus' office on the civil service (ie. >>> lots of red tape and bureacracy >>> -- often incompetent), >> >> I can just imagine the episodes of "Yes, Dark >> Prince" now... > > That's exactly what that campaign was based on ;) > I prolly still have the intro notes somewhere. The mental image of Lucifer as Jim Hacker and Asmodeus as Sir Humphrey really made a terribly aggravating day much more bearable. Thank you. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. - --- Adam Benedict Canning wrote: > > I just want to know what Dominic & Yves do for Yom > Kippur :) > > Its terribly terribly embarrassing. > > You see they race armoured vehicles round the walls > of heaven. Oh. I. LIKE. This. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/13/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:51:03 -0500 From: "Jonathan 'Caraig' McDermott" Subject: IN> Souls of the Machines >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:09:47 +0000 >From: "cassandra benner" >Subject: Re: IN> Christmas Miracles. >Yeah i know that vehicles technically dotn have souls, but if there was >enough essence spent by Joe Smith on Daisy the old reliable vw beetle, would >it create a ethereal spirit of the car? Funny you mention this.... Without going into too much detail, I've had occasion to consider the idea that machines -- such as, say, computers -- which are used interactively by a great many people over a long period of time might inherit some sort of spirit or quintessence from their users. I don't mean things like web servers. There's nothing interactive there; there's just requests for data, delivery of data, not much else. It's essentially one-way communication. I'm talking about something more along the lines of an ancient, 20-plus-years-old minicomputer, which has dumb terminals hardwired into it, and is used by thirty to fifty people just about every day during the course of those twenty years or so. People are interacting with the computer relatively directly, day in day out. A lot of humans might anthropomorphize it: they'll talk to it, urge it, curse it. They'll be looking at the screen at what the computer tells them, and 'talking back' (through the keyboard) to it. In such a case, I can see I computer gaining Essence over time, from the users, perhaps even eventually using that essence in some way to develop an Ethereal Force. It may develop a personality of sorts. A spirit. Not a soul, not as IN defines them, but a spirit of some kind. So... what happens when the computer isn't being used much, in down time? What happens when that spirit is in the Marches? What happens... when the computer is turned OFF? ============================================================ Jonathan McDermott http:\\caraig.home.mindspring.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ "And now I feel that... feel that I've been there. I didn't need this. Can somebody help me breathe?" - Nickelback, "Breathe" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:29:34 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Book suggestion At 6:05 AM -0500 12/18/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: [beth wrote] >>Remember that this would need to be an unpaid sort of thing, and not >>infringe on trade dress... (see www.sjgames.com/general/online_policy.html >>-- quoted from memory -- for a discussion of what's legit and what's not.) > >Hey, I was just tossing out an idea . . . No problem. Just making sure that people didn't get carried away and do something, in the best of intentions, that I'd have to get mean about further down the line. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:56:06 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? At 8:51 AM +0000 12/18/01, Jo Hart wrote: [...] >But FWIW, I had a lot of fun playing an incompetent Shedite in Beth's game. Mellor wasn't incompetent! It was just... young. And impressionable. And indirectly responsible for the character of Danny, Malakite of Judgment, now that I think about it. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:21:59 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> "GANGWAY!!!!!" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: Re: IN> "GANGWAY!!!!!" Belated thought... [snip] > > >, free beer, > > > > Free beer is prohibited? Oooo, mean. O:> > > Well, it worked one time ... so well, in fact, that it > was added to the Don't Even Think About Trying It > list. Did they remember to add free wine tastings? :-) (Similar variations apply to all other varieties of liquor and mind-altering substances...) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:42:59 -0400 From: pbarkow@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? On 18 Dec 01, at 19:56, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 8:51 AM +0000 12/18/01, Jo Hart wrote: > [...] > >But FWIW, I had a lot of fun playing an incompetent Shedite in Beth's > >game. > > Mellor wasn't incompetent! It was just... young. And impressionable. And > indirectly responsible for the character of Danny, Malakite of Judgment, > now that I think about it. O:> Does that count for, or against him? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:07:17 -0500 From: David Wood Subject: IN> In Sluginomine On Tuesday, December 18, 2001, at 05:53 PM, David Edelstein wrote: > Michael Walton wrote: >>> Does one of the True Tsayadim have a vessel/6 in the form >>> of a minilop bunny with a relic switchblade? >> >> I'm ashamed to admit my ignorance, but I don't get the >> reference. Or is that a Britishism that we poor Yanks just >> wouldn't get? Oh, you *can* get it -- http://www.sluggy.com/ There's a lot of reading to catch up in the archives, but > Reference to a character from the Sluggy Freelance web comic. A psycho > bunny rabbit who carries a switchblade and can kill anything. > (Personally I find Bun-Bun's "invincibility" tiresome, but he's popular > with the fans.) Yay! I'm not the only one who believes that Bun-Bun has negative karma constipation! If you want to In-Nominalize Bun-Bun, he could be a moderately powerful demon trapped in a rabbit vessel. Which choir, though... given his proclivity to chew through things (like the supports to a beach house), I'd guess Calabite. It's probably come up more than once on the list while I've been gone... what about the Dimension of Pain? Torg has that problem every Halloween of some being from there coming after him. Any guesses where *they* would fit into the In Nomine cosmology? I'd say Ethereal spirits. - --David http://skipjack.bluecrab.org/~dwood "I had REALLY high hopes when I saw the URL http://www.furby.com/furby/breaking.htm ...but the blasted thing is just a news page." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:04:06 -0800 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> They Are Very Much Like Us: Part 1 > To be continued. > Okay, this was simply fantastic. Hats off to ye. Phillip, the Happy Shiny Mercurian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:23:06 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Playing Demonic Characters? Well, consider Darth Vader. He's evil, but not in a gross or repulsive way. Then consider Jabba the Hutt. Demons are the *moral* equivalent of Jabba the Hutt while humans, possibly excluding Hellsworn, can't descend below the level of Darth Vader, and in my opinion the demonic attunements frequently reinforce this. Janet _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Really, I quite like Christmas. Really. (reading over below) Good God and His Saints, where the heck did THAT come from, and does it have any brothers still lurking down there? Well, anyway, it's broken loose, so I suppose that the best thing to do is to just shudder and move on. Feedback welcome, as always. :) Moe Mrs. Claus Ethereal Corporeal Forces: 1 Strength: 2 Agility: 2 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 6 Perception: 6 Vessel: sweet, plump old lady/3 Skills: Dodge/3, Enchantment/6, Fighting/3, Knowledge (The Marches/3, Tsayadim/3), Move Silently/2, Small Weapon/6 (Knife), Tactics/3 Songs: Artifacts (Celestial/1), Draining (Celestial/1), Dreams (All/3), Entropy (Ethereal/6), Forbidding (Celestial/1), Light (Celestial/2), Might (Ethereal/2, Celestial/2), Shadows (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/1), Seals (Ethereal/1, Celestial/3), Shattering (Celestial/1), Shields (All/2) Servamts: elves/4 (Class/4) They never pay attention to her, you understand. The Tsayadim, that is. At first Mrs. Claus simply tried to discover why the Tsayadim hated HIM so greatly. HE isn't a bad person, despite all the nasty things that Hell's done to HIS legend: HE just likes to make toys and give them to good children. HE brings them toys, and they believe in HIM. When you consider all the sorts of things that kids could believe in - all sorts of nasty, horrible things - believing in HIM isn't a bad thing at all. Right? Apparently not, from point of view of the Tsayadim. It never fails: every year, when belief in HIM is at its height, HE would go out with HIS sleigh and HIS sack of toys - knowing what would happen - and every year, HE wouldn't come back. A day or week later, though, there'd be a crash at the door ... and Mrs. Claus would silently come out to find HIS broken, mutilated body. That wasn't the worst part, though: the worst part would be nurturing the new HIM that would almost immediately pop into existence ... all the while knowing that HIS fate would invariably be the whip and the torch. HE would always rise to the challenge, always promising her that this year would be the year HE came back to her. HE never does. Mrs. Claus is tired of burying her husband. So very, very tired. The mistake that those sadistic murdering fanatics keep making is, of course, that they never think to attack her: after all, what's the fun in slaughtering HIM if there isn't someone to weep and wail at the sight of HIS corpse? She makes sure to give them a nice, histrionic show every year; she almost never sees them, but she knows that they're there. Every so often, she gets a glimpse of one as she goes back into her newly-lonely cottage. And, every so often, a Tsayadim on solo patrol in the Marches or on Earth disappears, never to be seen again. This happens all the time, of course, and always in areas of high risk: his, her or its fellows will conduct a search, but it's a dangerous universe out there. These things happen, after all. There's never any evidence that would suggest a search of Mrs. Claus' cottage - the Tsayadim don't even realize that it has a basement. Basements, really - after all, the toys have to be made somewhere. They most assuredly are not aware that the lowest basement of all is her workshop, not HIS. Or that she has some truly special tools down there. What happens to those lost Tsayadim? Well, have you ever really looked at those angels that you find on top of Christmas trees? Probably not: after all, they're just ... well, dolls. Toys. But, sometimes, if you find the right one, you just might notice that the expression on one seems just slightly off. That there may just be a hint, a suggestion, a whisper of pain carved onto its immobile face. That there's just the flicker of awareness in those painted eyes... But that's impossible, of course, so pour yourself another egg nog and forget about it. It's just holiday stress. It was merely your imagination running away from you. Perfectly understandable. After all, 'tis the season. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/13/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2486 ********************************