in_nomine-digest Saturday, January 12 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2510 In this digest: Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback Re: IN> Matrix IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2509 IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2509 Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2509 IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback Re: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion Re: IN> Failure IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:46:04 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback YEAH!!!! *sound of loud applause, foot stomping, and people in other cubicles looking at me funny, but I don't care* Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:19:06 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback Nice. A side of Eli we don't often see, but still distinctively Eli. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:26:02 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback >From: David Wood >Subject: IN> Story: P(l)ayback >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:30:43 -0500 >"Strike even the face of Buddha three times, and he will become angry." "Meddle not in the affairs of Eli, for he is subtle and slow to anger... and literally the most creative SOB in the Symphony." Excellent story! - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback ROACLMWO! Good, good stuff! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:15:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Matrix At 9:00 PM -0500 1/10/02, jamoge@wm.edu wrote: [...] >In Nomine Matrix (as told in, probably, three parts.) Preferably, I trust, three parts of _less_ than 23K each? - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:33:23 -0500 From: "Tyler Childers" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2509 >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: Re: IN> pax question > >At 8:27 PM -0500 1/9/02, Tyler Childers wrote: > >Would there be any objection to a Ethereal Spirit "evolving" into a > >Celelstial ArchAngel? > >In canon? Sort of. It would basically intrude on the CDaU (what few >shreds of it are attached, anyway) of the "Was Yaweh An Ethereal?" >question. So you're on your own about it. O:> > >In kick-the-canon (i.e., your own games)? Hey, it's your game! Go for it. >I think AA Galahad is somewhere around here, hanging out with... Moe? > > >- --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor >RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ Wow, I got a responce from one of the Gurps writers. I feel....good. Yeah, In my own canon, I am working on ideas like that. Among others. Pax Cthulhu is working out to be a game of conspiracy between angles, and a story of redemption as well. Still working on it. I am trying to keep the whole cloth of both games intact. I don't want to change it too much for either game in any direction. The background is working out to be a fairly subtle work. Thanks to everyone for thier answers. The Livejournaldotcom Roleplayers communtity things that I am nuts. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:36:12 -0500 From: "Tyler Childers" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2509 Chuckg (Yup, it's Moe.) Moe? I may be new here, but Moe? Can someone point me to the archive digest with this fellow in it. Pretty please. Hate to be out on the joke. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:45:56 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2509 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Childers" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2509 > Chuckg (Yup, it's Moe.) > > Moe? I may be new here, but Moe? Can someone point me to the archive digest > with this fellow in it. Pretty please. Hate to be out on the joke. Maurice Lane, one of the most creative and offbeat minds on this list. (aside -- A-*ha*! So *that's* where Eli is hiding! Superior Invocation on Dominic, stat!) Moe has a website where he archives his good stuff:.. and as you will see, there's been a *lot* of it. Moe's also one of the most prolific minds on this list. http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:24:47 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion Okay guys the first real test to see if In Anime can actually work. Guys tell me how to adapt this immortal series of robots, fanservice, and stolen Christian symbology and names to the heart of the In Nomine universe without making both seem utterly and completely silly. I expect extensive men, this mission is of vital importance to the cause. *salute* - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:35:03 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback > "Strike even the face of Buddha three times, and he will become angry." > > Dude. Well told. The only thing, the only criticism I would make... You really did not need, emphasize the discordant aspects of Trent. A Balseraph does not need to be discordant to be totally and utterly self confident and deluded. Thats what being a Balseraph is all about. Remember, they have to believe everything that they say. So, it does not take much to make one think he can take an Archangel, especially one who is as lowly as Eli. (Creation is not, automatically, a fearsome word, especially if his Malakite attunement is not well known (and why would it be? Does it help me to tell you that i just got my vessel destroyed by some little kid who had nothing but a juice box and a straw?))(hmmm...Malakite of Eli in service to Christopher...) But that is a minor nit. I like this story, I really do. and I liked the idea of Eli being... creative in his payback, and in his means of extracting Justice. - -- hammer and anvil fire sweat iron and breath forging destiny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:47:09 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion > Okay guys the first real test to see if In Anime can actually work. Guys > tell me how to adapt this immortal series of robots, fanservice, and stolen > Christian symbology and names to the heart of the In Nomine universe without > making both seem utterly and completely silly. You can't do a literal adaptation. You have use one of the settings figuratively. Which is only fair, considering that NGE takes huge chunks of Kabbalah, Christian eschatology, and psychological theory, throws them in a blender and sets on frappe. Off the top of my head, I would suggest taking some of the root aspects of NGE and adapting them to IN. Ditch the Evas themselves; giant biotech robots would be awkward in. But keep the nifty pseudo-religious trappings and especially the conspiracies. *Especially* especially the Human Instrumentality agenda. *Potential spoilers follow* F'rinstance: Ikari Gendo is a sorcerer who lost his wife in an angel-demon crossfire. Driven by anger and loss, he abandons his real son and forms a homonculus in the shape of his dead wife, whom he names Rei. This not-child is a sentient being without a soul, and according to apocalyptic lore the end tiems will begin when the Guf is empty and no new souls are born into the world. Gendo hopes to use Rei to usher in the end of the world ahead of time, according to his own schedule, so he can reunite with his wife. Of course, this kills the rest of the world, but what does he care? To this end he gathers a circle of ambitious sorceres with promises of transcendence of material limitations and eternal life. This cabal is known as Seele. Using kabbalistic interpretations of the Book of Revelations and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Gendo attempts to fulfill the prophecies in unexpected and unusual ways. (Example: if one of the prophecies is "A city must be emptied of all celestials", to steal from Final Trumpet, then Gendo is quite likely to (through Rei) destroy it with a briefcase nuke. No more city, yes, but no celestials there either.... And then you can have fun with all sorts of symbology: all of the children Seele selects are deficient in some way, and therefore 'soulless'; they are found through an organization called Marduk, which is the name of an Babylonian god -- and I do believe the Babylonians practiced human sacrifice, usually in the form of child sacrifices to Moloch. You get the drift. And get ahold of the movie through fansubs. The scene with the Spear of Longinus is so bizarre it's beautiful. - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:26:58 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Failure From: "Jo Hart" > Sij, Shedite of Fate > Demon of Failure Great! So, who is going to write up its counterpart.... Nij, Elohite of Destiny Angel of Success Donato Ranzato ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:47:02 EST From: CsHoneyman@aol.com Subject: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Ok, let's look: most cultures have myths of some messianic hero or leader coming on a divinely ordained mission in a time of crisis. The best known is the Jewish Messiah of the prophecies, allegedly fulfilled by the alleged mythological figure of Jesus of Nazareth (I'm an Atheist and I argue with xians a lot. Could you tell? :-D), but what if all the disparate and similar messiah-myths actually created an Ethereal? After all, belief in such figures has typically been strong; what would happen in that case? Would an Ethereal appear from such an outpouring of beliefs? And something else to consider - the eschatological flavour of Judaism was particularly leaning towards the coming of the Messiah to liberate Israel from the Romans, especially after things like the Masada, destruction of the Temple and so on. And back to my original idea - AFAIK, it's CDaU as to whether Jesus was an avatar of God, whether that avatar Fell and became Kronos, and so on. So what if Jesus was an Ethereal, spontaneously created from the dreams of humans, who skyrocketed in power during the Roman occupation of Israel? It'd make a weird kind of sense, if you think about it, and it's just as likely as the standard whacko story. There's still the question of Gabriel's involvement, but then again, it's probably a safe bet that she was already suffering from Word-friction and its associated yucky effects, so what if she felt compelled, but it wasn't a genuinely divine event? With her state of mind, anything is possible. Ok, that's me done for now. Let me know what you think. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:57:32 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... > >And back to my original idea - AFAIK, it's CDaU as to whether Jesus was an >avatar of God, whether that avatar Fell and became Kronos, and so on. >So what if Jesus was an Ethereal, spontaneously created from the dreams of >humans, who skyrocketed in power during the Roman occupation of Israel? It'd >make a weird kind of sense, if you think about it, and it's just as likely as >the standard whacko story. > Snip And then decided that it had to fight the one thing that could draw power away from it as a divine religion, Judaism. So, it strikes at the roots of Judaism, by converting first groups of it's followers. Then it decides it could gather more power by directly converting Gentiles, instead of making them first convert to Judaism. The final phase, of course, was getting Uriel to kill off it's pagan rivals. ~~~~~ He he hee... Josh Newly fledged (Bal?)Seraph servitor of Heresy ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2510 ********************************