in_nomine-digest Monday, January 14 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2511 In this digest: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... Re: IN> I can't say I like Valefor much. Re: IN> I can't say I like Valefor much. Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... IN> Evangelion Re: IN> Evangelion Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:00:37 +0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... >From: "Josh Moger" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... >Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:57:32 -0500 > > > > >And back to my original idea - AFAIK, it's CDaU as to whether Jesus was >an > >avatar of God, whether that avatar Fell and became Kronos, and so on. > >So what if Jesus was an Ethereal, spontaneously created from the dreams >of > >humans, who skyrocketed in power during the Roman occupation of Israel? >It'd > >make a weird kind of sense, if you think about it, and it's just as >likely >as > >the standard whacko story. > > > Sounds cool to me, but that's probably because I'm Jewish :) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:27:37 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> I can't say I like Valefor much. Okay, probably dredging this up after it's already been finished, but I'm going through about 300 or so e-mails that I've missed due to a glitch in the campus's e-mail server. >The whole Valefor thing in Canon smacks of a lack of effort by the writers. >Sorry writer guys, but he's just a mirror of Janus. And I _know_ that they're >supposed to be somewhat similar due to Word-overlap, but the one is just a >copy of the other. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's very >little... feel... of the Word of Theft in the Valefor write-up. Nothing seems >distinctly Theft-y. Nothing which shouts out "THIS IS MY WORD!" > >Just my take on it. Snip You don't think that's a bit of a hint from the writers? Here's another: in Superiors 4, close to the end of the section dealing with Valefor, you have a character named Lazarrabal or Johnny K. who is one of Valefor's sheperds, demons who help protect and arrange for the transfer of various people (or demons/angels) from point A (usually under heavy guard) to point B (usually a haven of some sort). Now, Lazarrabal doesn't like being called by his demonic name. Nor does he like it when demons as why he's never seen in Hell. Kinda makes him nervous. Johnny K. also has a number of interesting songs, such as Charm and Drain. Oh, yes, he's an Impudite, I'm sure he only has those to help his 'natural' resonance. Oh, and the name Johnny? Why, that comes from his Role's real name. Ioannis. Why yes, once anglicized, that does sound a great deal like Janus... Fancy that. Josh (Bal)Seraph servitor of Heresy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:47:09 -0500 From: Christopher Pipinou Subject: Re: IN> I can't say I like Valefor much. On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:27:37 -0500 "Josh Moger" writes: > Ioannis. > > Why yes, once anglicized, that does sound a great deal like > Janus... My one ponderance on this whole subject is that Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, the Prince of Lies... y'know, you'd think if someone showed up and lied to his face, he'd be the last person to be fooled by it... Which, of course, can spin into a very bizarre set of Machiavellian ponderances. Is Valefor really Janus? If not... well, with that Ioannis bit.. If not, might Valefor be actually just a patsy demon, set up? Now there's an interesting thought. A deliberately-forged (pun intended) weak link in the Demonic Chain? Best, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:01:10 -0800 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Story: P(l)ayback Great story! I think you captured the Balseraph mindset very well. One wonders how such a complete idiot as Trezontalo ever advanced in Nybbas's service. I mean, yeah, its' the Media, but still, Tre was delusional enough to brace an Archangel and expect to live. *shakes head* Great job! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:12:45 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... >Ok, let's look: most cultures have myths of some messianic hero or leader >coming on a divinely ordained mission in a time of crisis. The best known is >the Jewish Messiah of the prophecies, allegedly fulfilled by the alleged >mythological figure of Jesus of Nazareth (I'm an Atheist and I argue with >xians a lot. Could you tell? :-D), but what if all the disparate and similar >messiah-myths actually created an Ethereal? After all, belief in such figures >has typically been strong; what would happen in that case? Would an Ethereal >appear from such an outpouring of beliefs? And something else to consider - >the eschatological flavour of Judaism was particularly leaning towards the >coming of the Messiah to liberate Israel from the Romans, especially after >things like the Masada, destruction of the Temple and so on. Well, even if you don't want to get into the whole messy "Was Jesus really the Son of God in the INverse?" question, there are similar enough tales of messianic figures in various cultures throughout the ages (heck, even today you get plenty of cults who think their leader is such a person) that it's quite possible for an Ethereal to be born from the idea of Messiah even if said Ethereal wasn't actually involved with the whole Jesus business. Of course, given how little the angels understand about what happened, any reports of a Messiah figure running around would receive quite a bit of Heavenly scrutiny in case it really is Christ returned. For all they know, even if the supposed Messiah is an Ethereal, there may still be question that this is God's doing (especially if said Ethereal possessing the evangelical abilities that would probably go along with the role and persuaded the responding angels of the rightness of his cause). Of course, demons would probably be interested too, especially if the being in question could be corrupted; using a single false Messiah to lead others to ruin is basically Kronos's stock in trade after all (and see the first two books of the Dune series for more on how even a messiah with good intentions can pave the road to ruin). And the beautiful thing is, if played correctly even after the situation is ended, the PCs can always be left wondering as to the truth of the matter... - -- Mike Bruner-- mbruner18@home.com Before you try to beat the odds, make sure you can survive the odds beating you. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:49:48 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Evangelion [If I accidentally sent part of this, please forgive me] Actually the Giant robots might be fun for In Anime. Just imagine a point comming where Heaven is forced to declare war on the human race what sort of vessels would they use? Presuming humans had the right sort of weapons then they might use some very powerful ones. Anyway here's my interpretation for an In Nomine Evangelion campaign. I think by the way for non-In Anime players there's plenty here to steal and comments would be appreciated In the year 2000 (okay so the dates are alittle off, it's Mecha) "new" fragments of the Dead Sea Scrolls reveal a startling prophecy that will change the course of the universe forever. The destruction of half the life on Earth and powerful beings from the sky known as Angels if performed in a certain span of time will release enough energy that if harvested properly it will result in the unification of all of humanity's souls into one hive mind where no suffering, pain, death, or hatred exists. Sounds lovely doesn't it? Well it is lovely except for the fact the author of this particular undiscovered passage of the Bible has the name of Legion. The Demon Prince of Corruption was a unique being who was fascinated by the universe at large and the ability to become one with it but possesed too strong of an individual will to be submerged. Forseeing his own soul-death Legion created a number of 'soul vessels' which became the cult of seelie...reincarnating beings who at a time when the proper arrangements could be arranged would join together and strengthen him enough that he would prove victorious the next time around. Seelee or another international Academians corporation's heads, government leader, religious teachers that vaguely resembles the illuminati had always throughout history been drawn to each other by Legion's forces within them and following his clues they began to work in concert for what was meant to be the destruction of all of humanity though to them it would be the act of "going home" The Second Impact had been created by Legion with the collected soul energy of hundreds of thousands of souls in a bomb that Heaven never knew existed. It was something that took the world by storm and Saminga merely nodded at his young apprentice's genius in fufilling the plan that they long ago had set in motion to achieve the Godhead...create a being so powerful from the world it could devour God. Jean swiftly rose in the ranks of the world and became Heaven's chief aid in repairing humanity after the death of 2.5 billion people. However it was Eli who began the work of recovery of the Second Impact as the discoveries he laid root in dormant mind took shape with super computers, genetic advancement, and a scientiffic understanding of the Symphony that allowed them to replicate vessels/transfer forces/and create weapons to affect the symphony even as they could now measure it with machines. To expand the role for Evangelion In Nomine players the world is a mess but the human race has become actively dangerous with celestials once identified being classified as a minute and unpleasant form of Alien Invader. Even as Jean, Marc, and Vapula became more powerful Michael's militancy grew stronger that they and many demons agreed that humanity had become it's own worst enemy in many way and had to be stripped of many of their new "toys" The fly in the proverbial ointment in this case is Legion and papa Saminga who WANT the war to heat up as much as possible, arming humans with the proper weapons with each Angel's death their power is caught by devices Seelee and Saminga's soldiery have prepared to capture it and on the day the final Angel needed is destroyed they will use humanity's new relics to ressurect him in a form a hundred thousand times more powerful than he was before. The fly in the proverbial ointment of course is Lilith/Eli (or as he was known back in Eden-Adam) who are well aware of Legion's activities and wish to put a stop to him and Jean/Jordi who have also sucessfully deduced the plan and have come to the conclusion that while Legion himself must be stopped Insturmentality (the unification of all living beings into a single gesalt entity) is in fact not only desired but necessary. If Angels/Demons sucessful destroy Legion's plans they still must contend with the fact the dying Archangel of Animals has allied himself with the Archagel of Lighting to take the place of the Shedim in the final action and bring about world piece and a new understanding for all living spirits....including Angels and Demons. Jean and Jordi have not yet realized it but both have ceased to believe God still exists and blame humanity and humanity itself for fracturing him. - -Charlemagne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:35:28 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Evangelion SPOILER ALLERT for those who have not yet seen the series, but plan to.... From: "Charles Phipps" > > The fly in the proverbial ointment of course is Lilith/Eli (or as he was > known back in Eden-Adam) Interesting. I was wondering whether and how you would deal with humanity being the 18th angel... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal AA and an interesting thought... - --- CsHoneyman@aol.com wrote: > Ok, let's look: most cultures have myths of some > messianic hero or leader > coming on a divinely ordained mission in a time of > crisis. The best known is > the Jewish Messiah of the prophecies, allegedly fulfilled > by the alleged > mythological figure of Jesus of Nazareth (I'm an Atheist > and I argue with > xians a lot. Could you tell? :-D) Yup, the misinformation shows. };> Jesus Christ was a historical figure, not a mythological one; they've even found the house in Nazareth where he grew up. The doubt only comes in when you ask whether or not he was divine. > but what if all the disparate and similar > messiah-myths actually created an Ethereal? It could happen, and probably does. And any such Ethereal that popped up would be a priority target for the Tsayadim. Which probably annoys the Hindu Pantheon to no end; they lose more Buddhas that way... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2511 ********************************