in_nomine-digest Thursday, January 31 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2533 In this digest: IN> A request for accuracy in reporting IN> New Attunements IN> Nertz. Ignore Previous Post! IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2532 IN> Ethereal differences Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2532 Re: IN> Ethereal differences Re: IN> Interior art Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? Re: IN> Interior art Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? Re: IN> I never drink... wine. IN> Furry In Nomine, v2 Re: IN> A request for accuracy in reporting Re: IN> A request for accuracy in reporting Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? IN> Coming to a city new you ? Re: IN> Even more WTC Mammon fun IN> Perez's Dominic Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? Re: IN> Perez's Dominic Re: IN> A request for accuracy in reporting Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? Re: IN> Perez's Dominic Re: IN> Perez's Dominic Re: IN> Interior art Re: IN> Perez's Dominic Re: IN> Perez's Dominic IN> The Angels of Perelandra ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:50:04 +0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: IN> A request for accuracy in reporting >>A March of Malakim (Yes, Moe, it's really an Oh, S***!!!, but that's not printable) Ouch! Now Moe is getting credit for stuff I write. But now I have some more inspiration with that Impudite. ================================ To: All field agents From: Cabalrakis, Impudite Knight of The Game Fellow Servitors of The Game I have recently been promoted to the position of Senior Level Administrator of Field Agent Reports, a position that became abruptly vacant at the departure of Morgethron, Djinn of The Game. I would like to take this time to recognize the swiftness with which the Gremlin clean up crew removed what was left of her after her exit interview with our Dread Prince. With that being said, I am taking steps to address the rather lax standards that have been considered acceptable with field agents in report filings. Although these may seem trivial, this will go a long way towards accuracy and efficiency in our system. 1. Please avoid unnecessary details within your reports. For instance, "The Cherub decapitated the Djinn" is acceptable. "The Cherub decapitated the Djinn and played soccer with the head" is unnecessary unless said soccer game caused an additional tactical victory to Heaven. 2. Keeping the names of your Soldiers, servants, and contacts a secret is acceptable as long as your superiors have access to these records when required (Field Operative Guide, Page 6, Paragraph 6, Line Item 6). However, I must ask agents to refrain from some of the more...colorful terms in human languages. It is very difficult to maintain a professional environment when you are having to read off reports about informants with sexually explicit code names. 3. Finally, the fax to this office is only for receiving reports when normal channels are unsafe. Offers for "Free Lilim Porn" and cartoons that depict certain Demon Princes in humorous situations clog up the fax and waste valuable time. Not only that, but the fax phone number and agent ID *are* included with every transmission. You have been warned. I feel that these procedures, while cumbersome at first, will make the filing system far more effective. Thank you for your cooperation or my condolences for your lack of it, whichever is important. - -C - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:53:54 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> New Attunements Just some things I've been playing around with. Novalis Laurel Crown Jean Ofanite: Can increase the speed of a vehicle one is piloting Nybbas Balseraphs: "I Saw It On TV, It Must Be True" Lilim: "What Would *You* Do for Your 15 Minutes?" William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:38:02 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Nertz. Ignore Previous Post! Those *are* some notes for something I'm writing, but obviously they're not ready yet. I hit "Send" instead of "Save." :p Sorry. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:32:51 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2532 > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:35:54 -0800 > From: "Bevan Thomas" > Subject: Re: IN> Interior art > >Then he's like Gallahad, Lancelot's son, who had no noticable > >moral failings> > And who's also chaste, which would be a big let-down for > all the bright lilims. Why? Bright Lilim aren't going to worry about having to marry him before getting to play clouds and rain with him. That way they get an Oath out of him. One that puts him squarely between them and Asmodeus. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:45:57 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Ethereal differences OK. It's fairly obvious to me that there are chiefly three types of Ethereals: Primal Spirits (left over form Creation), Pagan Gods (basically spirits created by worship), and Dream thingys (Figments, central characters, nightmare elements and metaphors). So ... if a very large population begins to dream about very similar (or the same) entities (let's say, Darth Vader), and more than one of them are able to escape from their dream of origin, would those entities meld into each other and become stronger? and so on, and so on? And what if dream fragment escapes, and this fragment is, say, Cupid - would this new Cupid meld with the current spirit known as Cupid, or ... something else? - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos est le moyen le plus simple de partager et imprimer vos photos : http://photos.msn.fr/Support/WorldWide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:53:33 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #2532 > >Why? Bright Lilim aren't going to worry about having to marry him >before getting to play clouds and rain with him. Well, it also means no fooling around. Or dating for that matter. After all, if Galahad ever had sex, he would have lost his complete purity and would never had found the Grail. If Laurence is the same, then sex would ruin his complete devotion to God. So he's totally unattainable. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:57:09 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal differences - --- Perry Lloyd wrote: > So ... if a very large population begins to dream about > very similar (or the > same) entities (let's say, Darth Vader), and more than > one of them are able > to escape from their dream of origin, would those > entities meld into each other and become stronger? The way I see it, this could go either of two ways. A) Multiple Humans dreaming about the same entity (or close to it) produces something very like a Pagan god, though it would be weak until the Humans stop dreaming about it and start worshipping it; B) If a lot of similar Dream Elements escape from their respective dreamscapes, any of them could become stronger by subsuming others. If this goes on long enough, you get a rather powerful spirit. Either of those scenarios could be a common origin of many Pagan gods. > And what if dream fragment escapes, and this fragment is, > say, Cupid - would > this new Cupid meld with the current spirit known as > Cupid, or ... something else? Considering that Cupid already exists, anyone dreaming such a dream is probably dreaming about Cupid (remember that Ethereals can enter dreamscapes as well as leave them). If not, Cupid would likely subsume that Dream Element at the earliest opportunity. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Empress Undauntra Subject: Re: IN> Interior art - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > See, Laurence, you flirt at him and he gets all > confused/twitchy/refuses politely (depending on the > author); flirt with Michael, and he might take you > up on it. Which might be fun, but is less... "safe." ... Which makes him the perfect candidate for turning the tables on those mischievous Lilim. After all, who does Laurence turn to for help when his youth and inexperience get him in over his head? Picture this: Poor innocent Laurence, besieged by Sweet Young Things, catches sight of Heaven's old warhorse in the distance. One pleading glance later, Michael smoothly steps in, transfixing the flirts with his intense Seraphic gaze. Suddenly, the girls are all flustered and twitchy at having gotten more than they bargained for... (Heh heh heh) You didn't think it was _only_ martial matters that Laurence consults Michael on, did you? Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:18:18 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? At 10:44 -0800 1/30/02, Michael Walton wrote: >--- Walter Milliken wrote: >> Besides, the amount of damage this thing is going to do >> is pretty minimal, it looks like. > > I seriously doubt that a 3.5 ton object moving at >multi-Mach speed would do minimal damage on impact. Good >thing that it's supposed to break up on reentry -- but Corp >Shields could prevent that... Yeah, if you wanted to blow your cover in a big way. That thing isn't designed to take re-entry heat or aerodynamic forces; it should break up *very* nicely. Even rocks break up pretty quickly on entry, and they're probably a *lot* tougher than the EUVE. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:23:02 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Interior art > You didn't think it was _only_ martial matters that > Laurence consults Michael on, did you? From (http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/stories/ArtChal.htm): "Incidentally, Laurence: is that other item for me as well?" The Archangel of the Sword flushed slightly. "No, Michael. It is . a personal matter." "You're still getting those? Amazing." Michael's eyes narrowed. "That paper looks familiar. Doesn't the Hyena use it?" "Yes." The statement was final. "Don't tell me he's signed up." "NO! Not at all!" "Really, Laurence, who else would have access to his personal parchment." At that moment, Michael did remember who else had access to Dominic's personal parchment, and moreover, would feel free to borrow a page or two. "Ah. It's always the quiet ones. Oh, stop glowering at me, lad. It's your fault for not asking for advice first." Laurence still looked mutinous. Michael sighed. "Fine, fine, I won't bring it up again. And, yes, I apologize for calling you 'lad'. - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:22:44 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? >At 23:33 -0500 1/29/02, Perry Lloyd wrote: >>http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/01/29/satellite.fall/index.html >> >>Ahh ... Any bets on which Tether it lands on? >> >>[Exactly -how much- trouble would a celestial get in (according to Canon) >>for publically flying up to meet it as it enters the atmosphere to stop it's > >deadly decent, superman style ...] > > >And for those who like long-term plans, you can always have someone go >out to the Kuipier Belt and give a little, precisely-calculated >nudge to one of those comets out there. So it's maybe a little >difficult to get a >celestial out there, and it takes a few thousand years to take effect. > >---Walter Hitting a target with a Rock (okay, mostly ice and frozen gasses, but some mineral content, also, right? near as we can tell, anyway...?) that takes thousands of years to impact. Huh. the only problem is, of course, that it is a missle weapon. Not up clese and personal. Unless... Did we ever establish if a Kyriotate of stone, in there vessel, diving or basically throwing themselves on an attacker, qualifies as a missile attack? For example, Demon attacks what he thinks is a safe target, who happens to be possessed by the Kyriotate of Stone. Kyriotate of stone manifests statue vessel (which happens to look like a Gargoyle) on the appropriate edge of a building, and then jumps down on the Demon. Splat. Dissonant? Assume he never leaves the statue. He will, of course, take damage for the fall (not nearly as much as his target, of course) and cause some disturbance, maybe. But does it break the letter or intent of the Word? If that is allowed... a plan that takes thousands of years to reach fruition, and amounts to dropping a large number large (Kyriotate of Stone possessing meteors) rocks down on Infernal Tethers strikes me as a very... David thing to do. Of course, there is the trivial matter of collateral damage, so it could be a sort of last strike thing. - -- hammer and anvil fire sweat iron and breath forging destiny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I never drink... wine. - --- Michael Walton wrote: > I'm frankly surprised that you > left > rpg's out of your Vampyre write-up. I didn't: I just never explicitly mentioned them, 'cuz I knew that people would look at it and go, "Hey, what about the RPG influence on these critters?" - then come up with an answer on their own. Well, I figured (read: 'hoped') that at least _one_ person would do that... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/01/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:54:48 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Furry In Nomine, v2 Ok, I've done some reconsidering of my "Furry In Nomine" concept, and on second thought, maybe limiting Choirs to an Animal type might not be the right way to go. Especially since I imagine many of the Archangels and Princes would have furry forms which would differ from one another, even within the same Choir/Band. So I figure that instead of limiting them to a singular type of critter, I'd just alter the furry form accordingly... Generic Appearance: Angels tend to have feathery wings, glowing auras of light, brilliant eyes, and usually come in bright metallic colors. Demons tend to look fierce, having dark scales, horns, glowing red eyes, batwings, fetid odors or other such marks of their inner corruption. Seraphim/Balseraphim: Draconic in appearance, although the details can vary greatly. Some favor the classical Western Dragon appearance, others would resemble Asian dragons, yet others would be Quetzacoalt-type winged serpents, etc. Superior exemples: Michael - Great, Golden Horned Western Dragon; Dominic:Slim, snake-like eastern-style dragon with black scales, wearing his traditional cloak to conceal himself; Litheroy: Small winged serpent with rainbow-like feathers; Baal: Hydra-like Wyrm; Mammon: Fat, jewel-covered Gold Dragon with never closed eyes. Cherubim/Djinn: Favoring large, powerful beast forms, gold-skinned and winged for Cherubim, dark-skinned and oddly mutated for Djinn. There are some exceptions... Superior Exemples: Blandine: A proud, silver-winged Lioness; Christopher: Golden Bear with soft, feathery wings; Novalis: a silver-furred Unicorn; Zadkiel: a bright, golden Griffon; Asmodeus: A large, three-headed Mastiff, Cerberus-like; Beleth: A Red-winged Manticore Ofanim/Calabim: Fur-forms made seemingly out of Energy, dynamic for the Ofanim, Destructive for the Calabim. An Ofanim will sometimes look like a Fur made of bright fire, lightening or light, for exemple, while the Calabim look like beasts made of dark, smokey flames, shards of metal, or constantly twisting flesh. Superior Exemples: Gabriel: A glowing Pheonix; Janus: a golden-eyed Raven; Belial: a Dark-furred Hellhound; Furfur: An alleycat who looks made of smokey fire; Haagenti: a Greese-covered Boar; Valefor: A red-eyed Raven Elohim/Habbalah: Elohim would appear as androgyne animals with almost geometric appearances. Habbalah would look like very sexually defined beasts with a lot of tattoos, piercings and scarring... Superior Exemples: Jean: a stern-looking heron with circuitry patterns in his feathers; Khalid: a proud, white furred arabian stallion; Vapula: A white lab rabbit who looks like he's performed surgical, chemical and cybernetic experiments on himself; Fluerity: Malakim: large, muscular black-furred predators with collars, limb-bands and body-piercings representing their Oaths. Superior Exemples: David: a Black and White furred Badger; Laurence: a Black-furred Wolf (with wings... Why am I suddenly thinking of Beast Wars' Silverbolt?) Lillim: Tend to look like whatever they like, although they favor boxom-looking female forms with long, bushy tails: Foxes, Skunks, Minks, Angora cats, etc. Lillim herself prefers looking like a red fox. Kyriotates/Shedim: The Kyrios tend not to favor fully morphic appearance, and instead appear as packs of animals, swarms of insects, flocks of birds, or any other grouping of beasts. Shedim tend to favor singular beasts known for creeping around. Superior Exemples: Jordi (Archangel of Instinct): a pack of randomly changing wild creatures; Malphas: a wicked-looking spider; Saminga: a sickly-looking Jackal. Mercurians/Impudites: look like almost ordinary-looking animals, albeit for the aformentionned wings and auras in case of Mercurians, and the bat-wings and horns for Impudites. Superior Exemples: Eli: A Silver Squirrel; Marc: A; Andrealphus: Has changed over the years, but a white-furred, blond mink (of either gender) is his favored current appearance; Kobal: Always preferred looking like a Coyote or a Fox; Nybbas: A black and white Mouse. Don't ask why. I also picture Yves being a white-feathered Owl, and Kronos as a black-scaled dragon (Just a lie, for the "Balseraph" story...) So, any differing opinions regarding my animal-form options? ^^! - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:31:44 -0700 From: "Ruth Evers" Subject: Re: IN> A request for accuracy in reporting >>A March of Malakim (Yes, Moe, it's really an Oh, S***!!!, but that's not >>printable) >Ouch! Now Moe is getting credit for stuff I write. Sorry! He was adamant about the Oh,..., so I thought it was his... Thanks for the great line!!!! Ruthie Kyriotate Angel of OOoops 0 =) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> A request for accuracy in reporting - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > >>A March of Malakim (Yes, Moe, it's really an Oh, > S***!!!, but that's not printable) > > Ouch! Now Moe is getting credit for stuff I write. Hey, I never said that I came up with that one. Treated it as unofficial canon, yes: claimed credit, no. :) > But now I have some more inspiration with that > Impudite. > 3. Finally, the fax to this office is only for > receiving reports when normal channels are unsafe. > Offers for "Free Lilim Porn" and cartoons that > depict certain Demon Princes in humorous situations > clog up the fax and waste valuable time. Not to mention that the former happens to be an oxymoron. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/01/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? - --- Daiv wrote: > If that is allowed... a plan that takes >thousands of years to reach fruition, and amounts to >dropping a large number large (Kyriotate of Stone >possessing meteors) rocks down on Infernal Tethers >strikes me as a very... David thing to do. The tricky bit is getting demons into the asteroid belt: after all, the kyrioteors have to get attacked _first_, and vessels have to breathe, so there's still the heartache of explosive decompression to worry about... ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/01/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:28:56 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/01/29/satellite.fall/index.html > > > >Ahh ... Any bets on which Tether it lands on? > > > >[Exactly -how much- trouble would a celestial get in (according to Canon) > >for publically flying up to meet it as it enters the atmosphere to stop >it's > >deadly decent, superman style ...] > >That thing's not exactly a basketball like Sputnik -- I don't think any >celestial short of a Superior could use brute force like that and get any >real effect out of it. On the other hand, a clever application of Cel. >Song of Machines, and you a) don't have any obvious stuff for the mundanes >to worry about, and b) it falls *right* where you want it to go when you >give it just a *little* push. except ... "Unlike the retired Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, which NASA safely guided from the sky into the ocean in 2000, the Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer (EUVE) has no onboard steering system." you lost me >(OK, so maybe that's stretching the Song a bit far.) >Besides, the amount of damage this thing is going to do is pretty minimal, >it looks like. If you want something effective, try using falling rocks. >You can make a pretty good-sized hole with a relatively small meteoroid, >and they're probably a bit easier to target than something that has all >kinds of irregular structure that falls apart chaotically under re-entry >stress. heh "evertheless, an estimated nine steel or titanium pieces could survive re-entry, ranging from four pounds to 100 pounds (1.8 kg to 45 kg)." >And for those who like long-term plans, you can always have someone go >out to the Kuipier Belt and give a little, precisely-calculated nudge to >one >of those comets out there. So it's maybe a little difficult to get a >celestial out there, and it takes a few thousand years to take effect. >Wanna bet Vapula hasn't read Lucifer's Hammer...? I haven't. (dammit, need more free time) - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos est le moyen le plus simple de partager et imprimer vos photos : http://photos.msn.fr/Support/WorldWide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:50:51 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Coming to a city new you ? > > Ahh ... Any bets on which Tether it lands on? > > Oh, it's not War-related. Belial is just arranging the >fireworks for Lucifer's birthday. 0;> > >It's falling on Inglis, FL. Lucifer doesn't take kindly to being thrown >out >of a town. Unfortunately the Angel of Temptation(?), also called Satan, is >rather confused as to why he was thrown out of a perfectly good town. LOL!! Yes!!! Pity that this appears to be more likely: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/01/31/satellite.falls/ but on the upside!!!! remember MIR?! I had forgotten, but ... what if there were an expedition made out to examine its remains in its "watery grave" ... With a bunch of humans down there in the deep, throw in a few angels sent in to help, especially since it is believed that MIR was brought down for Celestial political reasons ... perhaps something a little of Event Horizen-esque? (if you don't like Horror movies DO NOT see Event Horizen, please) ... Imagine the horrors abord the space station when Beleth's Shedim gain access through the astronaut's dreams ... shudder to think. Imagine Infernal artifacts, EVIL that could be UNLEASHED upon the WORLD!!!! bwahahaha!! Then, to boot, there's a rumor that one of the "humans" being sent down to investigate is actually a Demon sent to recover lost goods! Mystery, Horror, the crushing depths of the ocean deeps, humans to protect, Evil to be rooted out, Humanity to be protected ... almost too perfect. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Discutez en ligne avec vos amis, essayez MSN Messenger : http://messenger.msn.fr/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:56:01 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Even more WTC Mammon fun > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/29/wtc.insider.theft/index.html >Smells more like Valefor to me. steal people's trust. Valefor likes it >when someone manages to make off with the less obvious stuff. > >William oooh. good call. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Discutez en ligne avec vos amis, essayez MSN Messenger : http://messenger.msn.fr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:27:54 +0000 From: "Jonathan Walton" Subject: IN> Perez's Dominic <<>> Though I love Perez's artwork to death, am I the only one who thinks that his Dominic (especially the Rev 3 version) was flat-out stolen from Neil Gaiman's Destiny (from "the Sandman")? It's especially odd just because Yves is Destiny in In Nomine, and that picture of him with the floating books (which just screams Yves and the Library) puts too many weird concepts together. *brilliant flash of insight* Hey! Just has a though here. Who's to say that Dominic isn't actually Yves (or any other Superior), pulling that crazy multi-tasking thing that they do? You could lift up those robes and- whoa, it's _Eli_! Wasn't that unexpected. ;) Later. Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? - --- Daiv wrote: > Did we ever establish if > a Kyriotate of stone, in there vessel, diving or > basically throwing > themselves on an attacker, qualifies as a missile attack? I don't see a problem. Stonies don't get Dissonance for charging and tackling an opponent (assuming that the other guy struck first), and this is basically the same thing. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 Existential fast food slogan: "Why's the beef?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:08:29 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Perez's Dominic > >Who's to say that Dominic isn't actually Yves (or any other Superior), >pulling that crazy multi-tasking thing that they do? You could lift up >those robes and- whoa, it's _Eli_! Wasn't that unexpected. ;) > snip Hmm... sudden visions of a Halloween party in Heaven with everyone wearing a Dominic cloak. Only.... Novalis' would be green... Michael's would be bulging from the muscles... Janus' would be empty and floating to the ground... Litheroy's would be wide open... It would turn out that Eli's cloak is just held up by three Relievers of Creation... David would have a Reliever assigned to remind him to keep the cloak on... Gabriel would walk around in her cloak for a while, but after finding out that all the party's punch had been drunk, she would scream, cause the cloak to spontaneous combust and fly to her volcano... Jean would be just fine... except for continuously muttering "This is an inane practise based upon a pagan ritual having nothing to do with our own existence in any way..." Laurence would be twitching... Jordi would be running around in a mini-cloak... Marc would have a nice cloak, made out of silk, with a Versace tag on the bottom... Yves' would look exactly like Dominic, except for the glasses over the upper pair of eyes and the cigarette... And Dominic would be scowling (whoduhthunkit), and running around trying to grab hold of a curiously agitated and suddenly clever Justinian... He he hee... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:17:43 -0400 (AST) From: Philip Vincent Barkow Subject: Re: IN> A request for accuracy in reporting On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Maurice Lane wrote: > > --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > > >>A March of Malakim (Yes, Moe, it's really an Oh, > > S***!!!, but that's not printable) > > > > Ouch! Now Moe is getting credit for stuff I write. > > Hey, I never said that I came up with that one. > Treated it as unofficial canon, yes: claimed credit, > no. :) > > > But now I have some more inspiration with that > > Impudite. > > > 3. Finally, the fax to this office is only for > > receiving reports when normal channels are unsafe. > > Offers for "Free Lilim Porn" and cartoons that > > depict certain Demon Princes in humorous situations > > clog up the fax and waste valuable time. > > Not to mention that the former happens to be an > oxymoron. Depends how you parse it. Unless you don't believe in "Free Lilim" ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:17:57 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Coming to a city new you ? At 06:28 -0500 1/31/02, Perry Lloyd wrote: >> On the other hand, a clever application of Cel. >>Song of Machines, and you a) don't have any obvious stuff for the mundanes >>to worry about, and b) it falls *right* where you want it to go when you >>give it just a *little* push. > >except ... > >"Unlike the retired Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, which NASA safely guided >from the sky into the ocean in 2000, the Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer (EUVE) >has no onboard steering system." > >you lost me The push would come from the angel; yes, that's why I also said: >>(OK, so maybe that's stretching the Song a bit far.) But I did have a character use Celestial Song of Machines on a stray Evil Artifact (TM) about the size of a small car, and prepare it "to fall". (Remember, objects in celestial form aren't affected by gravity, and Cel. Machines lets you take the object celestial, since it becomes a celestial artifact for the duration. So: touch object, Sing Cel. Machines on it, go celestial, raise it up, and then go corporeal again -- standing on the edge of the building roof, as it happened. *Crunch*) Admittedly, I don't think the roll to target the thing got a bonus, since the function of the thing wasn't to fall and crush people underneath it. >"evertheless, an estimated nine steel or titanium pieces could survive >re-entry, ranging from four pounds to 100 pounds (1.8 kg to 45 kg)." Although the pieces start out at orbital velocity, most of that will be lost by the time they impact. I'd guess the impact velocity will be on the order of a few hundred miles per hour. Certainly not something I'd want to be standing under, but not something that's going to do more than make a good-sized hole in whatever it hits. Sort of like being hit by a *very* big bullet. It takes a *much* larger object to survive re-entry with anything approaching it's original velocity, as I recall. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:32:25 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Perez's Dominic speaking of jordi in a cloak... http://www.the-magic-wardrobe.com/pet_clothing1.htm wil he love it or hate it? is it anthropomorphism? was it a desperate kobalite on a bad day? Toodles Cas "Knowledge is Power. Power corrupts. Study Hard, Be Evil" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:40:25 +0100 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Perez's Dominic From: "cassandra benner" > was it a desperate kobalite on a bad day? That dragonfly costume is just wrong............... I think even a Kobalite would be ashamed of coming up with stuff like this...... Bitchin' Panties?? Donato ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:43:10 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Interior art Empress Undauntra wrote: > Suddenly, the girls are all > flustered and twitchy at having gotten more than they > bargained for... (Heh heh heh) > > You didn't think it was _only_ martial matters that > Laurence consults Michael on, did you? All's fair in love and War, as the saying goes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:22:05 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Perez's Dominic From: "Jonathan Walton" > > Though I love Perez's artwork to death, am I the only one who thinks that > his Dominic (especially the Rev 3 version) was flat-out stolen from Neil > Gaiman's Destiny (from "the Sandman")? I didn't see it that way; I just liked his take on Dominic's cloak. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:25:13 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Perez's Dominic From: "cassandra benner" > speaking of jordi in a cloak... While most of those products made me wince, I have to admit that the foam fish struck me as a neat idea; I have a cat who would love one of those. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:08:34 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> The Angels of Perelandra "Perelandra" is a novel by C. S. Lewis, mostly set on Venus as it was possible to imagine it in the 1940s. Near the end of the book, the hero, Elwin Ransom, is conversing with two very powerful angels, one responsible for the planet Venus ("Perelandra"), the other responsible for Mars ("Malacandra"). Unfortunately for him, these two angels, though at *least* of Archangelic rank in IN terms, have very limited experience of humanoids, and they have asked him to help them settle on appropriate appearances. Here are the results: Literary Kyriotates: "A tornado of sheer monstrosities seemed to be pouring over Ransom. Darting pillars filled with eyes, lightning pulsations of flame, talons and beaks and billowy masses of what suggested snow, volleyed through cubes and heptagons into an infinite black void. "Stop it... stop it," he yelled, and the scene cleared. He gazed around blinking on the field of lilies, and presently gave the [angels] to understand that this kind of appearance was not suited to human sensations." Literary Ophanim: "'Look then on this,' said the voices again. And he looked with some reluctance, and far off between the peaks on the other side of the little valley there came rolling wheels. There was nothing but that -- concentric wheels moving with a rather sickening slowness one inside the other. There was nothing terrible about them if you could get used to their appalling size, but there was also nothing significant. He bade them try yet a third time." Literary Elohim: "And suddenly two human figures stood before him on the opposite side of the lake. ... "They were perhaps thirty feet high. They were burning white like white-hot iron. The outline of their bodies when he looked at it steadily against the red landscape seemed to be faintly, swiftly undulating as though the permanence of their shape, like that of waterfalls or flames, co-existed with a rushing movement of the matter it contained. For a fraction of an inch inward from this outline the landscape was just visible through them: beyond that they were opaque." ... "Their bodies, he said, were white. But a flush of diverse colours began at about the shoulders and streamed up the necks and flickered over the face and head and stood out around the head like plumage or a halo. He told me he could in a sense remember these colours -- that is, he would know them if he saw them again -- but that he cannot by any effort call up a visual image of them nor give them any name. [...] The "plumage" or halo of the one [angel] was extremely different from that of the other. The [Archangel] of Mars shone with cold and morning colours, a little metallic -- pure, hard, and bracing. The [Archangel] of Venus glowed with a warm splendour, full of the suggestion of teeming vegetable life. "Both the bodies were naked, and both were free from any sexual characteristics, either primary or secondary. That, one would have expected. But whence came this curious difference between them? [...] The two white creatures were sexless. But he of Malacandra was masculine (not male); she of Perelandra was feminine (not female). "The faces surprised him very much. Nothing less like the "angel" of popular art could well be imagined. The rich variety, the hint of undeveloped possibilities, which make the interest of human faces, were entirely absent. One single, changeless expression -- so clear that it hurt and dazzled him -- was stamped on each and there was nothing else there at all. In that sense their faces were as "primitive," as unnatural, if you like, as those of archaic statues from Aegina. What this one thing was he could not be certain. He concluded in the end that it was charity. But it was terrifyingly different from the expression of human charity, which we always see either blossoming out of, or hastening to descend into, natural affection. Here there was no affection at all: no least lingering memory of it even at ten million years' distance, no germ from which it could spring in any future, however remote. Pure, spiritual, intellectual love shot from their faces like barbed lightning. It was so unlike the love we experience that its expression could easily be miskaten for ferocity." -- "Perelandra," by C. S. Lewis Earl ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2533 ********************************