in_nomine-digest Wednesday, April 3 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2588 In this digest: Re: IN> PC's? PC's for the Poor? Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word (Two days left...) Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word RE: IN> IN : New Person - Hopefully with a new question Re: IN> PC's? PC's for the Poor? Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word (Two days left...) IN> Break Moe's Brain: the Demon Prince of Kzhrrgh Re: IN> Break Moe's Brain: the Demon Prince of Kzhrrgh Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word IN> New Servitor of Fate Re: IN> New Contest Re: IN> IN : New Person - Hopefully with a new question Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) IN> Rules question - Fighting IN> Couple Of Pieces Gone Re: IN> Rules question - Fighting IN> T minus 1 day Re: IN> Rules question - Fighting Re: IN> Couple Of Pieces Gone Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word (Two days left...) IN> The Demon of Hurting Moe's Brain Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) RE: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word Re: IN> Break Moe's Brain: the Demon Prince of Kzhrrgh Re: IN> Couple Of Pieces Gone Re: IN> The Demon of Hurting Moe's Brain Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:43:57 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> PC's? PC's for the Poor? - --- Michael Walton wrote: > Greetings from the Dark Side... > > For the first time in way too long, we have a > gaming > convention in San Antonio. I'm already committed to > running two other demos, but I plan to run an IN > game if > time permits. Here's what I need help with; pregen > PC's. > I don't have any made up, and there's no time to > make them > with all the other prepping I have to do. I'd like > to have > one angel of each major Choir, preferably all of > different > Words. Brother, can you spare an angel? Well, you can borrow Morgan (Kyrio of Destiny) and Cuniculus (Malak of the Sword) from my site: they're both balanced starting characters, IIRC. On second thought, maybe you don't want Cuniculus. He's a tad... odd. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word (Two days left...) - --- Matthew Gerber wrote: OK, that's four - I think. Let's see: there's Josh's "Oh, how you sorry bast*rds are (bleep)ed", EDG's "pick up the box, shake the box REALLY REALLY hard, see what comes out", Casca's "building up a charge" and Matt's "you'll never GUESS who I ran into the other day". Have I missed anyone? I'm behind on my email. BTW, every one of these so far has gotten at least a sudden chill from me - except for Casca's, who'll just have to settle for a slowly mounting feeling of dread. Luckily, I suspect that's what he was aiming for, anyway... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:57:27 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word From: "Matthew Gerber" Nicely done, although I still say it's Kronos instead. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: RE: IN> IN : New Person - Hopefully with a new question - --- "Adams, David" wrote: > So what happens when a malakite of Stone ends up > with Thor's belt and direct > orders from David to kill the mid-gard(sp?) serpent? The Malakite of the Sword in the party sulks a bit? :) Moe PS If Excalibur shows up, I get dibs. (pause) _And_ the scabbard, thankyouverymuch. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:41:17 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> PC's? PC's for the Poor? > [snip] > > Brother, can you spare an angel? Sure, pal. She could use the excercise: http://home.earthlink.net/~cmccurry/shannon.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:51:47 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word (Two days left...) From: "Maurice Lane" > > OK, that's four - I think. With a fifth currently percolating away, waiting for me to get my books so that I can write it up... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:50:59 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Walsh Subject: IN> Break Moe's Brain: the Demon Prince of Kzhrrgh Jer -- until recently Jeremiel, Ofanite of Trade -- couldn't help looking around nervously as he followed his "guide". He hadn't really been sure what Hell would be like... I mean, everyone hears things, but how can you know what to trust?... but he certainly hadn't anticipated seeing so *much* of it, so *quickly*. He couldn't help but think that Reynardine was enjoying his job a little too much. The Impudite had taken Lord Valefor's command -- "Show the kid around, would you?" -- to heart, it seems. After a somewhat perfunctory tour of Sin City, the two demons caught the Shal-Mari Metro to someplace in Perdition, proceeded to wander though some of the more dangerous areas of Tartarus, and had wound up -- somehow -- in the Archives. Jer wasn't sure, but from what little he'd picked up on as a participant in Infernal politics, Kronos' Principality was *not* the safest place to two Thieves to go a-wandering. (Reynardine, of course, had sneered at his charge's weak objections. "Safe? *Safe?* Maybe I should just drop you here, you'ld fit right in!") Still, the newly-Fallen Calabite had to admit that the experience so far had been very educational; so it was with a mixture of curiosity and trepidation that he followed Reynardine through the trapdoor and into what seemed to be a gallery. The walls were lined with paintings, and beneath each canvas was a brass plaque, no doubt identifying the subject. Jer peered at the nearest, which depicted a Balseraph, its body twisted to form arcane sigla, its eyes shining with hidden knowledge. The plate beneath it read, GEBBELETH, followed by several lines of incomprehensible squiggles. "What is this place?," he asked his guide. The Impudite looked around with some satisfaction. "The Chamber of Lessons, kid. As in, `learn from your mistakes'. This is where His Dry Wrinkledness keeps rememberances of ex-Princes. They say that only Lucifer, Kronos, and some of the higher-ups of Fate can get into this place," he added slyly. "Guess that last bit's not quite right, huh?" Jer looked around, somewhat awed. A thousand human faces stared out from a painting across the room, somehow overlayed with a writhing mass (and he could *see* it writhe... were these just paintings?) of fog; LEGION was printed on its plate. A Calabite with gills; a slug-like Djinn; a Habbalite with his face disfigured by oozing sores... and these were just the largest and best-kept of the paintings. In the centre of the room were two things: an easel, currently covered by a cloth of royal purple; and a glass case. In the glass case was a demon, a Habbalite, its face contorted in an expression of tortured concentration. This exhibit had no explanatory plate. Reynardine followed the Calabite's gaze. "Ah, Kronos' prize exhibit. He's still alive, you know. You can even go and tap on the glass, if you like; he won't notice." Jer glanced at his erstwhile mentor; the Impudite had lost his previous insouciance, and was gazing at the Habbalite with a sort of angry grin on his face. "Who... what is it?" Reynardine turned to the Calabite. "You see before you Glshaad, Demon Prince of Kzhrrgh." Jer blinked; so far it had seemed that -- if you knew Angelic and happened to be a demon -- Helltongue just came naturally to you. The word "Kzhrrgh", however, brought no images to mind whatsoever. His guide was still watching him, mockery in his look. "What, you've never heard of Kzhrrgh? Time was, it was one of the Big Ones; about six thousand years ago, there were whole nations where `evil' and `Kzhrrgh' were synonymous." Reynardine turned his face away, the grin fading. "You wouldn't have heard of them, either. "The Lesson of Glshaad, kid, was this: don't screw around with Mariel." The demon's eyes flicked to a painting in a shadowy corner of the room, completely black except for a pair of eyes glaring out malevolently. "Prince Glshaad used to be the biggest thing going. He was clever, he was powerful, and he'd done his best to make himself indispensible. One of the few Princes Azzie trusted, *and* still welcome in Shal-Mari. In fact, he only ever made one real enemy." "Mariel?" "Got it in one, kid. Don't know what he did to make her mad, mind. I've heard that he's the one responsible for Gebby's disappearance, and he and Mariel were always close. I think, though, that she was just bitter. Glshaad wasn't first-Fallen, see; he came in later. Mariel always had this weird pride thing going, and it irked her that some *angel* could just waltz down, be given a Word, and parlay it into a Principality. So she sat, and she brooded, and then finally she acted." Reynardine walked closer to the glass jar, gazing into the tormented face. "Mariel destroyed the Word of Kzhrrgh. She bent all of her power towards wiping away all memories of what the word meant. She sent her demons to Earth to wipe out the civilizations that gave Kzhrrgh its power, and then made sure that everyone forgot about *them*. And somehow, somehow, she even erased the sense of it from the Celestial language. Oblivion was a damned powerful Word, kid. "And that was it for old Glshaad. He's still the Prince of Kzhrrgh, but he can't recall what that *means* anymore. He's been like this ever since: trying to *remember* the concept that's central to his very soul. And he can't, 'cause that curse meant more to Mariel than her life; if she'd been willing to let go, she could have defended herself against Haagenti. "In fact," the Impudite continued, grinning again, "I've heard a rumour that offing Mariel was the real reason behind Kobal's venture in kingmaking. After her little stunt, the rest of the hierarchy was scared stiff of Mariel; if Kobal wanted to get rid of her, he needed someone who wouldn't know any better... like a demon who was created centuries after the fact and who was generally preoccupied anyhow. Makes ya think, huh?" Jer was glancing uneasily between his guide and the fallen Prince. "Hey Reynardine, you seem to know all about this. Why?" "Because, kid, Glshaad had Servitors, same as any Prince. And one of them was me. Hell, I'm still attuned to the Word of Kzhrrgh. Every now and then I'll see a human, and a little bell goes off in the back of my mind, and I know that there's one." "One what?" "Kid, haven't you been listening? I don't *know* one what. If I knew, then I'd know what Kzhrrgh meant, and I don't. No one knows that. Come on, let's go." The Impudite gave Glshaad one last glare and stormed back towards the secret passage that had given them admittance. "You still haven't seen Hades yet." On his way out, Jer resisted the impulse to peek under the purple drape and see the painting in progress beneath. He wasn't sure what Kronos might do to him, but it seemed that death wasn't the worst thing that Hell could dish out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Break Moe's Brain: the Demon Prince of Kzhrrgh Wheeee*. :) Moe *Now do the extended writeup. ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:46:24 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word Just... just give me a couple of seconds to pick up my jaw. You see... the thing is... It makes sense... it's not just in Moe's Tattered universe that people have seen Nybbas as being a possible Archangel of Communication... It actually makes a bit of sense... I mean, you can't get the Metratron back from a demon sown together from it's forces, but you can get a really good Demon Prince or an Archangel, if you're lucky... It makes sense.... huh... Sorry, mind leaping ahead here, but you've got Nybbas and Eli, conversing for decades. Nybbas thinks he's luring Eli over. Nybbas is pretty confident. Nybbas is sure that he's smoothing talking an Archangel into falling... sure up to the point when Eli says the magic little word that (or presses the magic button that he just created) that sparks a memory in the Metatron's old ethereal forces. Sooner than you can say canceled, you've got a pentitent, repentant, and discordant (Selfless with maybe a dash of Paranoia) Renegade Demon Prince that realizes the Voice he's been hearing since he was created is God (through a cracked and twisted wavelength) telling him ways of bridging the distance between people with means of communication. Short trip to Heaven later... A new bright and shiny Archangel of Communication emerges, one that every now and then suddenly gets flooded with the Light and speaks with a Voice unheard from for about 20,000 years or so. Huh. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:47:10 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> New Servitor of Fate Quoriel Lilim of Fate Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 5 Agility: 7 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 12 Perception: 8 Vessel: female/2, male/1, both with Charisma +2 Skills: Artistry/6 (Erotic Maneuvers), Dodge/3, Emote/6, Fighting/2, Lying/4, Knowledge (Sorcery/3, Poisons/1), Savoir-Faire/6, Seduction/6, Small Weapon/1 (knife) Songs: Attraction (Ethereal/2), Calling (Corporeal/2), Charm (Ethereal/2, Celestial/1), Desire/3, Entropy (Ethereal/3), Forbidding (Corporeal/2), Form (Corporeal/1, Celestial/1), Light (Ethereal/1), Might (Ethereal/2), Nimbus (Ethereal/2), Numinous Corpus/1 (Wings), Opening (Ethereal/3), Self (Celestial/2), Shields (All/1), Tongues (Ethereal/1) Attunements: Lilim of Fate, Fated Future, Bad Company, Infernal Pact, Oathtaking Discord: Geas/2 (Kronos), Geas/3 (Hatiphas) Role: When recruiting, Quoriel usually has some variant of Mysterious Woman/3, Status to taste The existence and job description of Quoriel highlights Hell's perennial problem: to wit, that its most powerful denizens have a real difficulty with cooperation, even when it's in everyone's best interest. Simply put, Hatiphas needs succubae and incubi in order to do her job properly. Way too many sorcerers are in it (at least at first) for the chance to summon up demons that will show them dark and twisted carnal pleasures beyond mortal ken - and if you think that she's going to personally oblige the talking monkeys, well, think again. The sensible thing to do would be to whistle up a few Servitors of Lust, but political considerations make that impossible (defining 'political' as 'Kronos and Andrealphus don't like each other', of course). Thus, the Demoness of Sorcery has had to develop her own in-house talent, as it were. Needless to say, this has led to some interesting situations: Servitors of Andrealphus tend to laugh nastily at the idea that anyone under Kronos could be even remotely competent at this sort of thing. For their part, those demons serving Fate in this fashion tend to reciprocate the antipathy: to them, sex is just another tool. You don't base your life around tools (well, unless you're a Djinn). This conflict usually simmers under the surface. Usually. Quoriel is a fairly good example of one of Hatiphas' mid-level operatives. She usually deals with Sorcerers at the very beginning of their careers, before they learn (those that do) to be careful about revealing their Needs. She's also not too bad at recruiting: Hatiphas will sometimes have her set up in some fringe of the occult scene where the Lilim can pick out humans with the right qualifications. Once she finds one, she recruits him and her through fairly direct methods. It's amazing, really: you can tell them - Hell, show them - that you're a demon, and they'll still jump into bed with you. Quoriel recognizes that human beings aren't too bright, but surely they must think some things through, right? As the above might suggest, Quoriel does not have a stellar opinion of humanity: hardly surprising for a demon that serves Fate, of course, but nonetheless notable for it's utter callousness. From the Lilim's point of view, humans seem to have no better aim in life than to throw themselves on somebody's sword: it might as well be hers. Metaphorically speaking, of course. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:36:49 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> New Contest > >It doesn't say, just, "Six people throughout history have achieved > the > >maximum of human potential--fifteen Forces. Of those six, three were > >Adam, Eve, and Lilith." (Paraphrased.) > Page reference?? > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor Argh. I hate it when I'm wrong. It says /probably no more than/ six, not exactly six. Page 17, CPG. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:51:12 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> IN : New Person - Hopefully with a new question > PS If Excalibur shows up, I get dibs. So very, *Very* close, Moe. > (pause) > > _And_ the scabbard, thankyouverymuch. You'd have to beat off both the Cherub and Mercurian for it, who would immediately fall all over themselves to give it to St. Meredith. Besides, you two are engaged. It's -- apropos -- that you wield the sword and she have the scabbard. Y'know, considering the marriage contract and all. *takes cover* - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) - --- Kish wrote: > Argh. I hate it when I'm wrong. It says /probably > no more than/ six, > not exactly six. Page 17, CPG. OK, so let's massage Josh's idea a little. So it _wasn't_ 9 Forces that was the transformation point: we'll call it 12, instead. That apparently happens around every thousand years or so. Heh. Every thousand years or so. Assuming that there's one around right about now, then the last time ... well, that was right around the time of the Legion Incident, which probably answers the question of why anybody didn't notice. Too preoccupied, you understand. And, as for the _second_ to last time ... well, let's not be coy. There's an obvious candidate from approximately 2,000 years ago. Of course, nobody in the IN universe knows what happened to him, so it's a pity that there's no way to prove that he turned blackwing... Hey, didn't Uriel claim to create Laurence around this time*? ;) Moe *Hey, it would explain why Larry's such a firm Catholic. I mean, after all, you gotta believe in yourself if you want to accomplish anything... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:03:09 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) [snip] > Hey, didn't Uriel claim to create Laurence around this > time*? Out of canon, sure, it would only take a minor tweak to arrange. In canon, Laurence was around for about a century or so before the Crucifixion. Heck, the whole premise of your own "Good Friday" writeup is based upon Laurence having been around (if Wordless, un-Distinguished, and quite young) at the time of Jesus' death... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:20:26 -0500 From: Eric Eves Subject: Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) Maurice Lane wrote: > Hey, didn't Uriel claim to create Laurence around this > time*? > > ;) > > Moe > > *Hey, it would explain why Larry's such a firm > Catholic. > > I mean, after all, you gotta believe in yourself if > you want to accomplish anything... What did my brain ever do to you? Did I kill your family, insult your pets, look at your hometown funny or something? No! And what thanks do I get? Brain-melting posts. Having your brain melt /hurts/. Admit it, you're a demon of Dark Humor. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 00:28:12 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) > >Hey, didn't Uriel claim to create Laurence around this >time*? > Ha! That would work for my little comment about how Laurence is so close and so far away... Actually I plan on sending a version 2.0 tomorrow after I finish some minor revisions, including an explanation that will allow me to slip out of those little logic twists some people forced me through. Heh... So... Jesus 'dies'.... and wakes up at staring at a heart he never knew he had, but got his ethereal forces scambled by the death (even without Trauma) and ended up an amnesiac. Uriel took him for an unbound Malakite, quickly inducted him to service, and sent him back to figure out about that Jesus fellow... Now... as for his name.... hmmm..... ::eyes narrow in concentration:: Going for a bit of a stretch here.... >From the wee bit I remember from Hebrew school... "Your name, Malakite. What is your name?" "Name... na... Hmm? Lo... lo..." "Lau? Laurence... So be it. Laurence, follow me." Yes, I realize this is a bit out of left field. That's what I get for not paying attention before my Bar Mitzvah... Josh (Lo is Hebrew for 'no.' At least, I hope I remember this correctly. Boy that would be embarrassing if I was wrong...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:46:24 -0800 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: IN> Rules question - Fighting I think I just wasted 2 resources points on the fighting skill and actually managed to lower my target number in the process. Can this really be the case? You be the judge. I have a standard 3/3/3 Force PC with a Fighting skill of 2. Assume I have 6's for all my attributes. If my Munchkin-like reading of the rules is correct the following is true. With an unskilled bare-hand attack in Corporeal Combat, my target number would be Corp Forces + Strength (p. 62 IN Core), or 9. With a skilled Fighting attack at level 2, that same attack is skill level + Strength (p. 75 IN Core), or 8. [Insert Scooby-Doo 'Huh?' noise here] So, is the moral that you should only buy skills in combat if you are raising them above the skill's governing Force? In my case skill level 4? Is there some hidden advantage to having a skill level below a force level? If not I feel pretty dumb. - -Vaughn * - * - * - * - * - * - "Yes, perhaps you chose the wrong moment to imitate the Seraphim." Emeth, Seraph of Creation IST Destiny speaking to a Malakite of Destiny. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:55:25 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Couple Of Pieces Gone Guess who's coming to dinner... - -EDG - -- Kobal was becoming impatient. Regardless of which Demon Prince you are, regardless of how highly you think of yourself, you do not turn down a request for a meeting from the being who is, at least nominally, coordinating the military arm of the entirety of what you believe in. But now Baal was half an hour late, and the bad Chinese version of "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown", being sung by an even worse Chinese lounge band, was starting to grate on his nerves. He shouldn't have been surprised that the song was playing; it was one of his adoptive brother's restaurants (God help him, Haagenti actually liked the song), but the Prince of Gluttony had gone typically overboard. The name of the restaurant was the Leroy Brown Lounge. Everybody who worked there was a damned soul who went by the name of Leroy Brown. The only song ever played in the restaurant was "Leroy Brown"... and Haagenti never seemed to get tired of it. Kobal hated it. But, this was where Baal had asked him to meet. Kobal knew enough of the rules of Hell to realize that should he leave, Baal would immediately show up and proceed to lay into him for leaving. (This was not a conscious imitation of Lucifer's waiting-room policy, Kobal knew; rather, it was Murphy's Law combined with an application of Baal's personality.) The Demon Prince of the War gave the most damaging dressings-down of anyone in all of creation; Kobal had seen *Kronos* flinch when Baal was in top form. The only other creature in the lounge who didn't work there seemed to be a Djinn, although the celestial form was all wrong; this one seemed to be a *human*, or at least a humanoid, with bat-wings, although Kobal wasn't immediately sure what sort of humanoid, as the Djinn's back was turned. Still, all demons - at least, in the eyes of Princes - were immediately distinguishable by Band, regardless of shape, and this one was definitely a Stalker. It made sense, at least. Only a Stalker would have the aloofness required to withstand "Leroy Brown" on infinite repeat. Kobal looked again. The Djinn had a familiar aura about it... no, *her*. The way she moved, the tone of her voice... Kobal was sure he'd seen her somewhere before. Ah well, he thought. As long as I'm here, I might as well have a little fun. He'd had some bad pick-up lines saved up for a while. Heading over to the bar, where the Stalker was occupying a stool as only Stalkers can, he slid smoothly into the seat next to her. "Excuse me," he said, in his best Jock, "but has anyone ever told you that you have amazing..." Kobal's jaw does not drop often. The Djinn smiled. "Oh, hello, Kobal," she said sweetly. "Miss me? I know I've been away for a while, but your brother and I struck a bargain recently. He goes to the top, I go free. You didn't think he was always hungry because he was Gluttony, did you?" Kobal was speechless. "Listen, Baal won't be making your meeting. He fell ill, the poor dear; a sudden case of reintegration into the Symphony. So you can run along with no fear of retribution." Her smile grew teeth. "It's something I'd suggest, personally. Besides... isn't this song plucking about your last nerve?" Kobal nodded. "It's, um... been good seeing you again," he said, slinking off the bar stool and toward the door as fast as he could go. The Djinn giggled to herself and slugged back the drink the bartender gave her. Behind her, the lounge group started up "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown" again, this time in Korean, which made the Djinn laugh out loud. "God, I love this song," she said. "Leroy! Two more of these. I've got some catching up to do." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:05:28 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Rules question - Fighting At 09:46 PM 4/2/02 -0800, you wrote: >So, is the moral that you should only buy skills in combat if you are >raising them above the skill's governing Force? In my case skill level 4? Is >there some hidden advantage to having a skill level below a force level? This is extraordinarily unclear, and should likely take a more complete erratum than is actually listed on the errata page. Here's my reading of the original core rules (given that you use a weapon skill *as well*, not *instead*): The formula for determining a weapon's attack TN is as such: Corporeal Forces + Strength + Skill IF the skill is a Strength-based skill (Fighting, Large Weapon), or Corporeal Forces + Precision + Skill IF the skill is a Precision-based skill (Small Weapon, Ranged Weapon), or Celestial Forces + Will + Skill IF the skill is Fighting and the combat is taking place on the Celestial plane. Don't forget that all skills have defaults. Here, it's -1 for Fighting, -3 for LW, -2 for RW, and -2 for SW. So, by taking 2 ranks in Fighting, you've actually improved your TN by 3. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:06:49 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: IN> T minus 1 day Scientists have detected an anomalous level of solar activity in the past few days. Sunspots are occurring in greater quantities and in greater sizes than previously recorded. Electromagnetic interference is not expected to be disastrously high, however. In a possibly related story, Yves stated before the Council that "The sun shines on both the just and the unjust." In one day, IT will come. - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:11:17 +1200 (NZST) From: Keith Bolland Subject: Re: IN> Rules question - Fighting On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Vaughn Romero wrote: > With an unskilled bare-hand attack in Corporeal Combat, my target number > would be Corp Forces + Strength (p. 62 IN Core), or 9. > With a skilled Fighting attack at level 2, that same attack is skill level + > Strength (p. 75 IN Core), or 8. > [Insert Scooby-Doo 'Huh?' noise here] According to the second-printing errata: P. 62. Replace the second paragraph of Corporeal Combat with the following: A bare-handed attack is rolled against (Strength + Corporeal Forces), plus any Fighting skill (see p. 75). A weapon attack adds the weapon skill instead of Fighting; Precision-based attacks use Precision instead of Strength. Many weapons affect your roll to hit, or the damage done, or both. See Resolving Attacks, p. 66.[*] So skilled is Str + CF + Fighting, for a ridiculously easy TN of 11.[**] As a side note, I'd be very inclined to apply the Fighting default penalty to an unskilled H-t-H attack. [*] http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/errata/in-nomine-2p.html [**] But that's another topic. //-- <*> Keith Bolland ------------------------------------------ // "My life needs a rewind/erase button." "And a volume control." // -- Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:09:45 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Couple Of Pieces Gone You brought her back! You... you... You're completely destroying and re-interpreting the personalities of so many Superiors... More, please. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:17:02 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word (Two days left...) > BTW, every one of these so far has gotten at least a > sudden chill from me - except for Casca's, who'll just > have to settle for a slowly mounting feeling of dread. > Luckily, I suspect that's what he was aiming for, > anyway... :) Yup. My only regret is that I wasn't able to work the Starship Troopers movie into my submission. I tried, I tried... ;) - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:00:47 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> The Demon of Hurting Moe's Brain Here's my entry for Moe's contest. Enjoy... Kinked Impudite of Dark Humor Demon of Hurting Moe's Brain Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 5 Agility: 7 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 6 Celestial Forces: 4 Will: 9 Perception: 7 Word Forces: 2 Vessel: Human male/3, Role: Internet Movie Critic/2, Status/2 Servant: Movie Projectionist/3, Status/2 Skills: Acrobatics/4, Artistry/2, Climbing/3, Computer Operation/3, Detect Lies/1, Dodge/4, Driving/1, Emote/3, Fast-Talk/5, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Holy War: the RPG/4, Slapstick Comedy/6), Large Weapon/3, Lying/2, Running/3, Small Weapon/3, Swimming/1, Throwing/3 Songs: Charm (Corp/3), Charm (Corp/3, Eth/3, Cel/3), Healing (Corp/4), Motion (Corp/2), Thunder/2 Attunements: Impudite of Dark Humor, Lilim of Dark Humor, Prank, Secretly Replaced, Knight of Derision, Demon of Hurting Moe's Brain* Rites: All from Kobal's writeup in Superioirs 2, plus Hurt Moe's brain (usable 2/day) *Allows Kinked to hurt Moe's brain without causing any disturbance. Every demon knows that it can ask a boon of Lucifer. Unfortunately, not every demon knows when it isn't a good idea when not to ask for it. Case in point: Kinked interrupted Lucifer as he was watching a Three Stooges short that he particularly enjoyed, and asked for a Word right as it got to the Lightbringer's favorite bit. And when the Taker admitted that it had no idea what Word it wanted (the sheer prestige of having one was all it had thought about,) Lucifer declared (after a moment's distraction while one Stooge smacked another in the head with a board,) that Kinked was now the Demon of Hurting Moe's Brain. Kinked started working very hard to promote slapstick comedy after that, particularly the brand of it practiced in the films that served as the basis of his Word. He spends a lot of time these days hoping that he can avoid having too many of the favors he owes various servitors of the Media get called in all at once. He only realised the depth of the joke that had been played on him when that damned Malakite started stalking him. . . But at their battles helped him develop his first Word rite, so it wasn't a total loss. He still encourages people to watch the Three Stooges, but has found a new way of slowing his Word's decay, and has even managed to strengthen it slightly. After a recent Stooges film festival, he overheard some of the audience members discussing a game that they were playing, and its theme of angels fighting demons caught his interest. He bought the rulebook, and then discovered that it had an internet mailing list devoted to it. After seeing some of the things that fans were coming up with, Kinked started posting some ideas of his own. When he discovered that one of the Holy War list members who proved most receptive to the concepts he outlines in his posts is named Moe, he began writing up ever-more bizarre things to send to the list, from a mixture of Word promotion and Impudite vanity. But if the Game ever discover the thinly-veiled parodies of Archangels and Princes that he has been sharing with the humans, then there will truly be Hell to pay. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:03:24 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) From: "Eric Eves" > > And what thanks do I get? Brain-melting posts. Having your brain melt > /hurts/. > > Admit it, you're a demon of Dark Humor. Considering what I just posted, I enjoyed this post a lot more than I might otherwise have. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:57:20 -0600 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word Funny. Ever since I read the Kronos write up in "Heaven & Hell" I've always figured he was the remnants of Metratron all Discordant and pissed that God didn't give him any warning before Lucifer slipped a knife into his back. Or maybe that Lucifer kept a few bits for experimentation. Either way, I'd thought Kronos was our fallen voice of god for years. - -----Original Message----- From: Josh Moger [mailto:jamoge@wm.edu] It makes sense... it's not just in Moe's Tattered universe that people have seen Nybbas as being a possible Archangel of Communication... It actually makes a bit of sense... I mean, you can't get the Metratron back from a demon sown together from it's forces, but you can get a really good Demon Prince or an Archangel, if you're lucky... It makes sense.... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:46:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Contest Entry: Consider the Word *glk* AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHH! Well, I don't know about Moe, but that sure broke me. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Break Moe's Brain: the Demon Prince of Kzhrrgh What a wonderful ending! Thanks for this one. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:06:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Couple Of Pieces Gone Okaaaaaay... I'm not even going to ask why Mariel likes that song. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:09:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Hurting Moe's Brain RIBLMHO! ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:30:49 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> New Contest (going weird fast) >*Hey, it would explain why Larry's such a firm >Catholic. > >I mean, after all, you gotta believe in yourself if >you want to accomplish anything... > *Chortle* Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2588 ********************************