in_nomine-digest Friday, April 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2592 In this digest: Re: IN> And Death Has No Dominion Re: IN> Symphony Re: IN> Forces Question IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Re: IN> Moe's Contest: Once More, With Feeling RE: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. RE: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions IN> An hour to go... RE: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Re: IN> An hour to go... Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions Re: IN> An hour to go... Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. RE: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions IN> Hurting Moe's Brain Re: IN> I'm sorry, but she made me do it... ^^ Re: IN> Moe's Contest: Once More, With Feeling Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. IN> On Your Way To Oblivion Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Re: IN> On Your Way To Oblivion Re: IN> On Your Way To Oblivion Re: IN> On Your Way To Oblivion Re: IN> Symphony IN> Undeadsun, zombies/golems Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Re: IN> Hurting Moe's Brain (24 hour extension) Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:53:57 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> And Death Has No Dominion - --- Wade Lahoda wrote: > Has Haagenti finally bitten off more than he can chew? Somehow I find that hard to swallow. };> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:59:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Symphony - --- David Sanda wrote: > > Is there any musical representation of the Symphony? Every concert needs a hall... ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Forces Question - --- Perry Lloyd wrote: > that's the ticket! Must be a species related attuning > ability of some sort Hey, there's a thought -- species-specific abilities as Attunements, inborn Numinous Corpus or equivalents thereof. Which begs two questions: how do the animals get such perks (Jordi can't have that much Essence, can he?) and why don't Humans have them? ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:10:56 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions I understand that angels of Stone cannot attack demons/humans/ethereals/etc without having first been attacked, but are they able to commit property damage without taking dissonance? If a demon antagonized one of David's lot without hitting, could the angel vent its frustrations by, say, breaking a chair? Or would that incur dissonance just as if the angel had punched the demon in the face without getting hit first? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:35:12 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions >I understand that angels of Stone cannot attack demons/humans/ethereals/etc >without having first been attacked, but are they able to commit property >damage without taking dissonance? > >If a demon antagonized one of David's lot without hitting, could the angel >vent its frustrations by, say, breaking a chair? Or would that incur >dissonance just as if the angel had punched the demon in the face without >getting hit first? No problem with that one -- have at it. There are some limits, I'd assume - -- forcefully attempting to disarm an opponent (before they strike) probably courts dissonance, depending on the amount of force used and its likelihood of causing the opponent harm. When in doubt, I'd say, remember the spirit of the Dissonance Condition. It follows from David's Oath (never to give up on even the lowest of the Fallen, until there is no choice), and the nature of Stone, to be "passively" strong. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:20:31 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Oh please, Ryan... 8 years to make an artificial sun? You're *Seriously* underestimating Jean here... ;-) at 12:00AM precisely, Gabriel rushed into the Seraphim Council Chambers to announce that the Sun had been somehow turned into an Undead. Upon hearing this, Jean, rather then waste his time asking stupid questions (like many of the other archangels were now doing), contemplated the situation at hand. First, he had to understand how one turns a G2 V type celestial body (that's a fairly bright, yellow main-sequence star for laymen. That's what our sun is) into an Undead version of itself. In theory, it should be impossible, since Stars aren't organic entities with souls. What IS possible, however, is to give the body the semblance of Unlife through artificial means, such as implanting a device capable of artificially creating undead without the need for the complex rituals of Undead creation common to the servants of Death. Ah, yes... That explains where all those Coffins of Undeath went. And transforming the Sun is having very adverse effects on Gabriel, thus he could safely assume that Belial was also involved. And the only other entity in the Symphony with a Tether on the sun was Lucifer, according to a quick search through the Library's database (Jean had by then summoned his personal laptop, which held a copy of every book in Yves' Library in digital form) But neither Prince nor the Adversary had the scientific or symphonic knowledge needed to accomplish such a technical feat. Correction, Jean thought. Such a -Technological- feat. Jean allowed himself a frown as he felt his Word Dissonance urging him into action. Such an overt act of Infernal Technological applications couldn't go unopposed. And judging from Gabriel's current state of well-being, he had to act quickly before the Word Dissonance got to her. He immediatly opened the major file called "Orbital Contingency Plan", subfile "Solar Crash", and searched through the options he'd created over the years in case of sun-related disasters. Artificially refueling the sun wasn't an option, as the sun itself was the problem. Creating an artificial replacement sun out of Jupiter was out as well, due to time constraints. Project "Pinch Hitter", on the other hand... He looked at Netanyah, and through the use of the Ethereal Song of Tongues, immediatly informed her to put her part of said plan into action. At 12:05AM, Netanyah nodded at once and mentally contacted some of her more distant servitors, while Jean logged on to JeanNet and contacted his own Servitors in his department of Astrophysics Engineering. He ordered them to activate the major Reliquaries Central 1 through 5, and to channel their Essence directly to project Hopscotch. He then contacted the Servitors at Project Hopscotch, giving them the coordinates Netanyah had given him. All he had to do now was wait, as the chaos started to really unfurl in the Council chamber. It wasn't until 12:15 AM that suddenly Gabriel blinked and stood up, saying "It's... It's gone... The Sun's gone..." Everyone suddenly turned to look silenty at Gabriel, the shock of her last words topping even her previous announcement of the Sun's transformation into an Undead... The Silence was finally broken when Micheal blurted "Say What?!", followed by Litheroy's inevitable asking "How did that happen?" Jean stood up to address everyone. "I did that, actually. With a little help from the esteemed Archangel of The Heavens, in fact." As everyone turned to look at the Elohite Archangel as he summoned one of his virtual viewscreens for a multi-media explanation. "As soon as Gabriel gave the news, I did a quick analysis to determine the nature of the situation, it's causes, and how to solve it. Said solution was rather simple, actually. Since even I don't know how to reverse the transformation from living to Undead, and we didn't have the time to create a new star to replace it, I simply decided to replace the sun with another star." Before anyone could recover from the shock and ask the obvious, Jean continued with his explanation, as the screen showed the Undead Sun being slowly surrounded by a number of devices. "These devices, placed by Netanyah's Servitors, are part of a project I've been keeping on backburner, my Project Hopscotch. It's part of an experimental Interstellar Transport Drive I've been working on." Janus blinked at the word Drive. "Interstellar Drive? Like a Warp Drive?" Jean coughed at the interruption and continued. "Actually, like a Celestial Motion Drive. By attaching the Drive to any object and charging the Drive with enough Essence, it becomes possible to transport any object across interstellar distances, so long as the start and end coordinates are known. And with enough Essence, it becomes possible to exchange two objects across the interstellar void. As we did here." The screen flickered to show the sun, minus the artifacts previously displayed. "This, 10 minutes ago, used to be a star in a distant Stellar Quadrant which was selected due to it's being a G2 V type star, just like the previous sun was prior to it's Transformation. Netanyah had servitors locate it a few decades ago, and where assigned to keep watch on it since. I had one set of Drives transported there for them to arrange around that star, while another group of Servitors used my tethers on the Sun to place a second set around it." Gabriel began to frown at that. "Wait... You have Tethers on the Sun?" Jean nodded. "A pair of Tethers at each magnetic pole. Since the Drives had magnetic anchors, it was easy to quickly spread the drive around the Sun. Then, it was simply a matter of channeling the Essence to activate the Drives and replace the stars." Novalis then asked. "What will become of the old Sun?" Jean nodded and answered. "Without anyway to fill the Need it's bound to have, I estimate it'll die within a few years, going through an accelerated version of it's normal stellar cycle. It should be interesting to study for the next few years, I must admit. Well, in any case, the crisis has been averted, and Heaven has won many victories: Belial should suffer dissonance from the utter failure of his scheme, Saminga lost all of his Coffins of Undead Creation, Lucifer lost his last great Tether, and Vapula just got schooled, all within the space of 15 minutes following an Infernal operation most likely months in the making. All in all, a satisfactory day... Objectivly speaking." Jean smirks almost imperceptivly as he calmly walked out of the Council room, feeling very satisfied about the experimental test run of the CMDrive. Vapula still had lightyears to go before he could even hope to catch up with Lightning. And Lucifer? Why, Jean actually had to pity the Adversary... He only had dominion over visible light, after all. A very small fraction of the Electromagnetic Spectrum... Which is ENTIRELY under Jean's control... Simply No contest. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:32:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: Re: IN> Moe's Contest: Once More, With Feeling > Oh, this is cruel. What happened in 1998? I can't > even remember much of > last week... c'mon! > > > > Josh > Um: 1998 = 666 x 3 That's all I can think of. Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:07:41 -0600 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. - -----Original Message----- From: Rolland Therrien [mailto:rolland.therrien@videotron.ca] And Lucifer? Why, Jean actually had to pity the Adversary... He only had dominion over visible light, after all. A very small fraction of the Electromagnetic Spectrum... Which is ENTIRELY under Jean's control... Simply No contest. - -Exit the LoneWolf Hehehehe.. You get more than just a golf clap for this one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:20:51 -0600 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions - -----Original Message----- From: Prodigal [mailto:prodigal@allamagoosa.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:11 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions I understand that angels of Stone cannot attack demons/humans/ethereals/etc without having first been attacked, but are they able to commit property damage without taking dissonance? If a demon antagonized one of David's lot without hitting, could the angel vent its frustrations by, say, breaking a chair? Or would that incur dissonance just as if the angel had punched the demon in the face without getting hit first? ** *** ** I'd vote for Dissonance on it. Venting one's frustrations by breaking things is not only making a symphonic disturbance but hardly in keeping with Stone's stoic nature. But it really would depend a lot on what's really going on. Why can't your angel do anything? Is he restrained? Is the demon too far away? Or is it just that the demon hasn't "hit" first? For example, in the rules of engagment for the use of deadly force that the Armed Service uses to decide if someone had sufficent cause, I'm allowed to use deadly force on someone who is, in my perception, capable of doing harm to myself or people under my protection. (Also if they are a threat to national security. Which means if they are stealing a car I can't but if they are stealing a nuke I can.) I would think David might have some similar set of rules. After all, you can't stand by and watch a demon kill human children simply because he hasn't attacked you personally yet. And there is the use of Songs which could get the demon's attention. For that matter, you could place yourself between the demon and his target and cause him to strike you if you wanted to go that far. But there has to be some sort of give in this. If you are a Malakim and you see a demon, you cannot let him get away just because he hasn't hit you. Your Vows prevent it and I can't see David, a Malakim, giving his angels the choice of Break vow and get dissonanace or hit first and gain dissonance. He's stern but not unreasonable and certainly would not put servitors into a position where they would automatically fail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> An hour to go... ... before the end of Thursday, which will (of course) mean the end of the "hurt Moe's brain" contest. I'd really like to thank everybody who played: I never really knew in my gut before that there are LOTS of ways to hurt somebody's brain. :) I'd appreciate it if contestants could privately email me copies of their entries, so that I can prep them for their soon-to-be-created page. I'll announce the winner when I put up the page (which will happen at the next update, which should be within roughly a week). Again, thanks, everybody. This was fun to see and read.* :) Moe *Some of you might be wondering: gee, now that Moe knows what it's like to feel Deep Hurting, will he be nicer about trying to dish it out in the future? How droll. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 00:12:34 -0600 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions - -----Original Message----- From: Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) [mailto:bergeronrf@radford.navy.mil] But there has to be some sort of give in this. If you are a Malakim and you see a demon, you cannot let him get away just because he hasn't hit you. Your Vows prevent it and I can't see David, a Malakim, giving his angels the choice of Break vow and get dissonanace or hit first and gain dissonance. He's stern but not unreasonable and certainly would not put servitors into a position where they would automatically fail. ...adding a thought to my own note... "Not hitting" doesn't mean you can't grab him and or restrain him in some fashion. Wrestling instead of boxing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:14:47 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. > First, he had to understand how one turns a G2 V type celestial body (that's > a fairly bright, yellow main-sequence star for laymen. That's what our sun > is) into an Undead version of itself. In theory, it should be impossible, > since Stars aren't organic entities with souls. Neither corpses nor animals have souls either, and both are capable of being Zombified. > transported there for them to arrange around that star, while another group > of Servitors used my tethers on the Sun to place a second set around it." They must have suffered horrific casualities, seeing as how servitors of no less than three Princes would be there to defend it. - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:21:10 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. > >Neither corpses nor animals have souls either, and both are capable of being >Zombified. > Since when did animals not have souls? Jordi's going to be a wee upset about this... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:24:14 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> An hour to go... From: "Maurice Lane" > > I'd appreciate it if contestants could privately email > me copies of their entries, so that I can prep them > for their soon-to-be-created page. Done. I do have to admit that I was slightly disappointed that nobody seemed to catch the reference to the Angel of Creative Mayhem (Moeiel) whom I posted to the list some time ago, or that "Kinked" was used because it is a synonym for "Curly." Hmph. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:24:31 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. > Since when did animals not have souls? Jordi's going to be a wee upset > about this... Since most of them (with the canonical exception of cats) don't have Celestial Forces. I believe this detail was hashed out a few weeks back. But even if I'm wrong about that, the fact still remains that corpses don't have souls. Therefore, you don't need a soul to be zombified. - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:26:53 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions > He's stern but not unreasonable and certainly would not put servitors into a > position where they would automatically fail. I dunno about that. Remember Maximillian? - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:30:37 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" > > Why can't your angel do anything? Is he restrained? Is the demon too far > away? Or is it just that the demon hasn't "hit" first? The situation I was playing with involved a cherub of Stone's attuned trying her patience beyond the breaking point, and the cherub taking out her frustrations on inanimate objects rather than taking the double dissonance of hurting an attuned and striking first. Which is why I asked the question - I need to know whether I can reconcile this with Stone's conditions, or if I need to get more creative about which Superior the cherub serves. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:34:43 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> An hour to go... > I'd appreciate it if contestants could privately email > me copies of their entries, so that I can prep them > for their soon-to-be-created page. I'll announce the > winner when I put up the page (which will happen at > the next update, which should be within roughly a > week). Any particular format you desire? - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 04:40:20 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions Well, my Cherub of Stone has been there and done that, trust me on this. He usually takes out his frustrations on inanimate objects; his dissonance condition doesn't say anything about disturbance (and frequently this takes place inside a Tether). As long as he doesn't throw things ... Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:48:50 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. >But even if I'm wrong about that, the fact still remains that corpses don't >have souls. Therefore, you don't need a soul to be zombified. > point. And wasn't there an entry... hold on... let me find it.... Yeah, Night Music- pg. 61-62. There's a zombi named Eyebiter. Eyebiter was a woman who died, her soul went on to Heaven, and her body was zombified by a Habbalite of Saminga. So I guess you're right. No soul, no celestial forces... still can be zombified.... Hmm... can a stone figure be turned into a zombi golem... pretty interesting way of getting at David... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 00:56:07 -0600 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions Thinking of striking the object of your attunment???? I'd say that's already skating on the thin ice of dissonance. I suppose anything that avoids hurting a human under your protection is good. David seems like a stern taskmaster though. Maximillian as a case in point. But he was ordered to not attack any of the demons. I didn't notice any of them really striking him. Laying landmines aside, they humiliated him a lot but didn't harm him. So his Dissonance came from not fulfilling the oath of never allowing evil to continue. Hitting first didn't come into it, so I think Davidians could probably attack demons. I wish I had my books with me so I could look at the exact wording on his Dissonance. - -----Original Message----- From: Prodigal [mailto:prodigal@allamagoosa.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:31 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" > > Why can't your angel do anything? Is he restrained? Is the demon too far > away? Or is it just that the demon hasn't "hit" first? The situation I was playing with involved a cherub of Stone's attuned trying her patience beyond the breaking point, and the cherub taking out her frustrations on inanimate objects rather than taking the double dissonance of hurting an attuned and striking first. Which is why I asked the question - I need to know whether I can reconcile this with Stone's conditions, or if I need to get more creative about which Superior the cherub serves. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:12:46 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Canon question: Stone dissonance conditions From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" > > Thinking of striking the object of your attunment???? That wasn't viewed as an option; that's why there was so much damage to teh furniture. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:29:05 -0700 From: Julian Mensch Subject: IN> Hurting Moe's Brain Any possibility of a contest extension until this coming Sunday? I was sick over Easter weekend, but I have a cool idea. - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:33:19 -0500 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> I'm sorry, but she made me do it... ^^ On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:00:27 -0500, "Rolland Therrien" wrote: > >Author's note: If you think this is interesting, I should tell you that I >originally conceived of a heavenly ZigZag as a minor Archangel, rather then >a servitor. ^^! What's that, Messers Schwartz and Black Rabbit? Oh, that's an essence cush. Yes, it is rather heady. Consider this stolen, Rolland. - -- Delirious Sings-to-Horn ahsdreamwalker@rogers.com / http://deleriousraven.livejournal.com/ FREAKAZOID: Hey! Who wants some pot roast and Cola? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 06:29:38 +0000 From: "Jonathan Walton" Subject: Re: IN> Moe's Contest: Once More, With Feeling >Yich. I know who this is. (I don't use the work in question IMC, as to >say I dislike it would be a masterful understatement.) Personally, I "dislike" it too, but that doesn't mean I can't mine it for every good idea it contains ("What? All two of them?") ;) One of these days, I might even write him up as a Superior (of course, I'd have to borrow heavily from David's choir writeup, http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/DarkMalakim.htm). Later. Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:41:26 -0500 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Rolland Therrien wrote: >Oh please, Ryan... 8 years to make an artificial sun? > >You're *Seriously* underestimating Jean here... ;-) > Me? I had a much easier answer. A need of 1 human per day? Fine. Orders are now to capture Soldiers of Hell instead of killing them. It isn't a /good/ answer, but it'll serve as a stopgap until Eli and the ticked-off Hindu Pantheon gather the Essence to destroy the Undead Sun and create a new one in its place. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:30:00 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> On Your Way To Oblivion This was going to be short. -_-;; - -EDG - -- "Stand away from me, Haagenti," said Andrealphus, Prince of Lust. "The demons have watched you kill two of our number, and I would not have myself be a third." Haagenti smiled, and leaned back in one of the many comfortable chairs in Andrealphus's suite. "Relax, Andre," he said, in a deep, soothing voice. "I'm not going to kill you. I'm not even going to hurt you unless you ask me to. I'm here to ask you a favor." The Prince of Lust relaxed a little. "What's that? A lot of favors have been asked recently, too." "Why, to side with me, of course," Haagenti said, and smiled wider. "You've never liked me, and I can understand that. What reason did you have? I'd sooner have bitten off anything you tried to put near me than slept with you. But Andre..." Haagenti stood up and began pacing. He'd left his shoes outside, as per Andrealphus's custom, and was enjoying the three-inch shag carpeting beneath his feet. "Andre, a lot has changed recently. I've become less of a ravenous destroyer and more of a - oh, how can I put this? Well - you've been watching me. When's the last time you actually saw me eat anything?" Andrealphus thought on this. Haagenti had been picked up on a freeway in the American Midwest with a bag of White Castle cheeseburgers, but since then... "Over a week ago," Andre admitted. "Right. Do you know why that is?" Andrealphus shook his head. "I made a deal that day, Andre," said Haagenti. "You'll recall that of the demons I devoured to take my seat as Prince, only two were Princes themselves. Meserach couldn't muster the energy to resist me. His Forces are long gone. But *Mariel*... Andre, consider this - and I'll try to couch it in personal terms for you. What if someone removed your pleasure-termination center - the place in your head that tells you when you're 'all funned out'? What if you had to keep going because you were being teased along, led to believe that if you slept with just *one more girl*, you'd be sated? What if did it not because you wanted to - but because you *had* to? "Mariel kept herself together in the pit of my stomach. She obliviated everything that I ate - let me have just enough to keep me on the edge. And then we found out that Vapula was considering Redemption, and watched California fall out from under Nybbas, and Mariel contacted me and told me that she knew of a way to consolidate Hell's power and prevent this kind of thing from happening again." Haagenti smiled. "It's gonna be an Old-Testament kind of Hell. Fire and brimstone, torture and pain, and we're going to be right in the center of it - the Seven Sins, just like it always should have been. You know how they have a Seraphim Council up top? We'll have the First Circle. Eight Princes - the Sins, and Mariel as the eighth." His smile grew teeth. "I only have to find five more candidates. I'd hate to have to find a sixth." Andre nodded. "But - aside from the power, yeah, that's all nice - what's in it for me?" Haagenti laughed. "Imagine a world," he said, "where we didn't have the Game looking over our shoulder. Where we had freedom to actually inflict our sins upon the swine, instead of dealing with Asmodeus's insane cold war?" "The angels would be on us in a heartbeat." "The angels don't have the numbers, Andre. They kill a demon, we've got two more to replace him. And we can create demons as fast as we want. Think about it. All of the Essence in Hell going right to us." Andrealphus smiled. "Now you're talking. So what do I have to do to get in on this?" Haagenti laughed. "Just be ready, friend Haagenti. Together, we're gonna blow this place wide open." With a flourish, he turned and walked out of the room, leaving Andrealphus to consider his new allegiance. Quickly, almost irritated, he kicked his shoes back on and headed out toward Greater Shal-Mari. "Mariel!" he called, and she appeared from a shadow beside him. "What have you found?" "I am not your lackey to command," she growled. "Of course not," said Haagenti, "but we are running on a tight schedule. If we foul up at any point on this, the whole thing could blow up in our faces. Now, what do you have?" "It happens," she said coldly, "that Prince Asmodeus is beginning to be suspicious." Haagenti laughed. "Enough! He saw the tape and was not convinced. Only after he had tortured one of your busboys to death was he satisfied." She growled softly. "He oversteps his bounds, Haagenti. We should-" "We will do nothing," he said quietly, turning into the Leroy Brown, "until the time is right. If Asmodeus is playing hardball, then so shall we. Master Lucifer!" he cried, breaking into a grin as he broke through the beaded entryway. "It is so good to see you, sir. How is your book coming along?" The Nemesis nodded to Haagenti. "Fairly well," he said, "although I'm not sure I've liked the last few chapters." "Oh, I'm sure it will turn out all right, sir," Haagenti said, every inch the patronizing butler. "Can I get you anything? Wine? Cigarette? Buffalo?" Lucifer smiled. "Actually, I was hoping I could have a moment of your time." Haagenti's ichor hardened to ice. "I think," said the Lightbringer, that we need somebody like Nybbas back in the Media slot. Someone with style, and panache. Someone who's not going to let the stupid stuff get on the air." He beckoned the Prince closer. "More to the point... someone who'll proofread my book discreetly." Haagenti almost laughed. "I think that can be arranged, my lord. Was there anything else?" Lucifer shook his head, stood up and stowed his glasses in his breast pocket. "That's all for now, Haagenti. I know you have things to do, but would you have someone show me to the monorail stop?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:47:18 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. Me? I had a much easier answer. A need of 1 human per day? Fine. Orders are now to capture Soldiers of Hell instead of killing them. It isn't a /good/ answer, but it'll serve as a stopgap until Eli and the ticked-off Hindu Pantheon gather the Essence to destroy the Undead Sun and create a new one in its place. snip Huh... you know, now would be a perfect time for the Host to realize just how fitting Siva is in this sort of role. Eli gathers the essence, Siva dances the Nataraja, Eli forms the framework of the new sun, Siva brings it to life. Huh... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 02:00:07 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> On Your Way To Oblivion Okay, anyone want to take bets on how many more posts before the Lightbringer disappears in Haagenti's conspiracy? You've turned Hell on it's head. What does Kobal think about his little brother... or did Kobal set this up to begin with? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 02:01:33 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> On Your Way To Oblivion At 12:30 AM 4/5/02 -0500, you wrote: Speaking of proofreading... -_-;; - -EDG >Haagenti laughed. "Just be ready, friend Haagenti. Together, we're gonna >blow this place wide Should be "friend Andre". >"I think," said the Lightbringer, that we need somebody like Nybbas back >in the Media slot. Missing quotation mark. Sorry 'bout that. :/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:22:42 -0600 From: "Wade Lahoda" Subject: Re: IN> On Your Way To Oblivion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Moger" > Okay, anyone want to take bets on how many more posts before the > Lightbringer disappears in Haagenti's conspiracy? Well, IMHO, the Lightbringer may be acting gulliable... But although I find it hard to think Lucifer could tolerate being seen as anyone's fool for long...I do have the feeling that in this little excursion from canon, we're going to end up with Lucifer being tricked and manipulated by Haagenti...until then end, when the Lightbringer smiles, and Haagenti realizes HE is the one who has been played... And then Lucifer thanks Haagenti for the housecleaning that had been so needed, and proceeds to eat Haagenti(it would only be fitting). ;) A. Wade Lahoda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:37:00 +0200 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Symphony From: "David Sanda" > Is there any musical representtion of the Symphony? Has anyone ever dared > to try that? > David The song that for me come closest is the "song of the seraphim" by Dead Can Dance. Donato ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:11:49 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Undeadsun, zombies/golems >Hmm... can a stone figure be turned into a zombi golem... pretty >interesting >way of getting at David... >Josh You want golems? *chuckle* Here you go... http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/golfront.html Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:21:28 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Why, Jean actually had to pity > the Adversary... > He only had dominion over visible light, after all. A > very small fraction > of the Electromagnetic Spectrum... Which is ENTIRELY > under Jean's control... I have to dispute this one, I'm afraid. Technically, most of the energies of the EM spectrum -- radio waves, infrared, ultraviolet, X-rays and gamma rays -- are light. I've read nothing that implies that Lucifer's Word was limited to visible light. Jean's Word, on the other hand, is not Electromagnetic Energy -- it's Lightning. That pretty much limits him to electricity. His current dominion over technology is entirely due to a metaphorical connection. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:22:23 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Hurting Moe's Brain (24 hour extension) - --- Julian Mensch wrote: > Any possibility of a contest extension until this > coming Sunday? I was sick over Easter weekend, but I > have a cool idea. I can extend it until tonight, but no longer. After all, I need _some_ time to set up the page. :) Moe PS: Anyone sending an entry, just use plaintxt. No attachments or anything. I'll work it out from there. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/24/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:14:37 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN> Jean vs the Undead Sun: No Contest. On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Rolland Therrien wrote: > Oh please, Ryan... 8 years to make an artificial sun? > > You're *Seriously* underestimating Jean here... ;-) I believe you have missed the point. The eight year time frame serves several purposes. Firstly, it places the year at 2010 -- and with this piece I was trying to cram in as many references to the books/movies as I could reasonably do. I did this just because it amused me to imagine all the connections that could be drawn between IN and the films -- there is a _lot_ there to work with, if you think about it. The second purpose is playablity. Should a GM somewhere decide to actually run 'the Undead Sun' scenario (a happening which, I am sure, would please Casca to _no_ end :) -- my version provides a way for players to be involved in the aftermath. There are stories to be told there: fights against infernals and their efforts to establish sun worshiping death cults; a space race to establish a critical Earth-saving solution, the establishment of celestial bodies in the heavens (giving the young players a glimpse at what the first days of Creation must have been like); the exodus of the human race, the terraforming of new worlds, and the social engineering of new societies; and a final mission to obliterate the biggest abomination in existence. And it can keep going after that: you could set up culture clashes and space conflicts between those humans who left the Earth and those who stayed behind with the death cults (how's that for a nice little segway into IN:Gundam? :) My piece was meant to really be a sketchwork for a long, and possibly very entertaining, campaign; a campaign with gobs and gobs of references & counterpoints to the background material IN is based on. (For example, just off the top of my head, let's be heavy-handed for a sec and give the name 'Moses' the human researcher who spearheads the effort to emmigrate humanity off of the Earth.) I was trying to give the members of this list some ideas that might wrap themselves into someone's game, somewhere. Provide a little inspiration for something that could be enjoyable and workable in a game, as Casca did for me with the original idea. I appreciate that you have your own ideas about Jean and his abilities; you should. But, personally speaking, I'd much rather involved in a game based on my idea than one where Jean pops up and solves everything within an hour, giving Heaven a simple and complete victory for no cost. To me, that's not much of a story. But that's just me. :) Ryan rmr48@columbia.edu ************************************************************************* The New Testament offers the basis for modern computer coding theory, in the form of an affirmation of the binary number system. But let your communication be Yea, yea; nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. -- Matthew 5:37 ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2592 ********************************