in_nomine-digest Friday, April 26 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2614 In this digest: Re: IN> Lilim's Trading Cards Re: IN> Nothing Like The Sun Re: IN> Nothing Like The Sun Re: IN> Seneschal Question Re: IN> Zapan, Demon Prince of Ice Re: IN> Seneschal Question IN> Choir Attunements (Re: Seneschal Question) Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Lilim's Trading Cards Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Zapan, Demon Prince of Ice Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! IN> Lilim's Trading Cards RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! IN> The Tether of The Last Unicorn Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! IN> Zapan, Demon Prince of Ice IN> I must ask... Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:00:40 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Lilim's Trading Cards She can choose to allow them to manifest in _celestial_ form. There's no inherent ability to turn them into corporeal objects. - -David Brian C. Petery wrote: > In "Fall of the Malakim" p. 29, under Celestial Appearance of Geases. it > says a Lilim holdng favors may /choose/ to allow tokens to manifest in > symbolic form. > > If a Lilim manifests these on the corporeal plane, does it cause a > disturbance in the Symphony? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:59:04 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unni_Sol=E5s?= Subject: Re: IN> Nothing Like The Sun On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, EDG wrote: > Surprise! ;) > Phew... I read the subject and that one word quoted above, and thought thusly: "Oh my God. He's going to redeem Lucifer. Eli will proof-read Lucifer's book, and then he's going to restore him to Heaven and the word of Light." I am so _relieved_. My brain is probably just overworked or something... Or it may be trying to hurt me in retaliation for me reading email from this list... *sob* - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Solå³¼/div> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:10:43 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unni_Sol=E5s?= Subject: Re: IN> Nothing Like The Sun Dang. Sorry about the double posting. I'll try not to do it again. Ever. - -- I should go now Unni Solå³¼/div> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:38:41 -0500 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: Re: IN> Seneschal Question Ruth Evers wrote: >Holy parallel development, Batman! Or Unholy, considering which side of the fence most of my ideas tend to Fall on :) >In Casca's campaign, there's a Sinner (he's the evil opposite of our Saint, >Meredith the Codex), maybe he'll post some info w/a VO4 warning, if he >doesn't want his players reading it. But, it would be cool to see yours, >too! I'll go polish it up a bit and post it next week then, but first I will ask Essence does a Celestial in Limbo require to create a Vessel? love, Cthulhu _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:02:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Zapan, Demon Prince of Ice At 7:33 PM -0400 4/24/02, EDG wrote: >At 06:25 PM 4/24/02 -0400, you wrote: >> >+6: the iceberg that sank the Titanic >> >>The iceberg that sank the Titanic?!?! It melted last millenium! Unless you >>mean the dream-etherial version... > >An invocation modifier doesn't necessarily have to be easy to find. Indeed, a +6 invocation modifier should be pretty rare. Valefor's is "The Lost Monet!", after all... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:16:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seneschal Question At 7:51 PM -0400 4/24/02, William J. Keith wrote: >>> Shenir, a Malakite of Light >[...]since a glimpse at >a Malakite of Light Attunement would be keen. Heh. I honestly suspect that I'd waffle around on that, and then rule he doesn't have one. _Seraph_ of Light, now... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:19:59 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Choir Attunements (Re: Seneschal Question) At 10:21 AM +1000 4/25/02, Shane wrote: >(hrm, can AAs create Choir Attunements for other than their own Word?) (No. O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:27:41 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! At 8:26 PM -0700 4/24/02, WonderGecko wrote: >I have, on the sketchbook sitting next to me, a half-completed drawing of an >icthyosaur Cherub in Celestial. I'm actually rather enamored of weird things >like icthyosaurs, lurchers, red pandas, etc...and wanted to know if those >were quite 'correct' as far as IN canon for Cherub celestial forms went. Sure. A bit more rare than the traditional bears, lions, wolves, panthers, leopards, bobcats, and whatnot, but then so are the octopusses, ferrets, and orcas. And the stray Cherub of Judgment boa constrictor who explains, with a straight face, that this is what happens if you can't decide whether you want to be a Seraph or a Cherub when you fledge. (He's not canon, but he is amusing.) I figure, if it's an animal and would look good with wings... Oh, and I'm currently figuring that Novalis' Cherubform is a ladybug -- with feather angelwings under the carapaces. Not that she uses it much, but it's a predator, and it eats things which harm plants. Cherubform. O:> > I >know 'bears, lions, etc.' is what's stated, but do Cherub celestial forms >/have/ to be large, mammalian, and (optionally) predatory, or would ancient >invertebrates, large reptiles (except snakes, of course), aquatic mammals, >and the like be canon? Would the Cherub in question be regarded as a little >strange, or...? Oh, a little unusual, but hey, what's wrong with that? Some of Jordi's Cherubim are probably sabertooths (the really old ones), and are more likely to be feli-form (due to the Choir Attunement of Animals), but everyone else? Hey, the more the merrier. O:> I do figure that _most_ Cherubim are predators -- but if it looks good and impressive... Elk are good! Pegasus may have been inspired by an equine Cherub. And the concept of Bunbun with wings and a halo makes my brain hurt... >The two half-completed ideas of Cherubim I have kicking around are a wild >dog/lurcher What _is_ a lurcher, though? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:34:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lilim's Trading Cards At 1:23 PM -0400 4/25/02, Brian C. Petery wrote: >In "Fall of the Malakim" p. 29, under Celestial Appearance of Geases. it >says a Lilim holdng favors may /choose/ to allow tokens to manifest in >symbolic form. > >If a Lilim manifests these on the corporeal plane, does it cause a >disturbance in the Symphony? #1: note that the description comes under the heading: CELESTIAL Apperance of Geases (Emphasis mine.) Therefore, a GM is perfectly within his or her rights to say that you CANNOT manifest a Geas-token corporeally. #2: If the GM desires that Geas-tokens can be "flashed" on Earth, they are not corporeal. They are, basically, celestial "holograms" which would probably require the usual Perception roll to spot. #2a: This is a fiddly special effect; Geas-tokens cannot be traded (save, perhaps, to Lilith) by Lilim. Let Lilim flash 'em at will, let celestials see them freely. (Or require a Will roll to manifest 'em, and/or Perception to see 'em.) No disturbance. #2b: This is a fiddly effect, but _is_ a bit supernatural. 1 note of disturbance per manifestation. #2c: This is a supernatural effect; Geas-token's level in notes of disturbance! IMC, I'd use 2a, 'cause it's fiddly. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:16:01 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! And the stray Cherub of Judgment boa constrictor who explains, with >a straight face, that this is what happens if you can't decide whether you >want to be a Seraph or a Cherub when you fledge. (He's not canon, but he >is amusing.) Amusing... and an interesting way to masquerade as a Balseraph... "Your fourth eye's slipping." "What? Damn. Need more spirit gum!" Josh (Why yes, I am ignoring that whole "Wait, won't the Cherub have white feathery wings while Balseraphs have black bat-wings?" issue. Very astute.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:20:47 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Then there's the occasional cheub that looks like a Mercurian. Humans are animals, too, after all. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:11:15 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! > Then there's the occasional cheub that looks like a Mercurian. > Humans are animals, too, after all. And theologically substantiated, as well. The four Heavenly Holy Beasts (aka the Hayyoth) which sit at the throne of God in the Book of Revelations are described as being: Lion-faced, eagle-faced, bull-faced, and man-faced. This handwave is what allows me to give Novy a human celform. ;) - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:32:17 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Zapan, Demon Prince of Ice From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > Indeed, a +6 invocation modifier should be pretty rare. Valefor's > is "The Lost Monet!", after all... I can't believe I never noticed that! Was it a deliberate nod to _Cruel Shoes_, do you know, or is there some other source that Steve Martin was giving a nod to of which I am unaware? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:38:43 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! On 24.04.2002 10:27 PM, "William J. Keith" wrote: > An ichthyosaur Cherub would be neat. Probably a Cherub that's been around > since ivhthyosaurs, in fact. And it should be canon, since I hardly think > large mammals are the only option. Hey, Beth has mentioned that she > figures Novalis' Cherub form is a giant ladybug, which is neat enough that > it should be made canon when Novalis gets written up, IMHO. ;^) > >> --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm > > William > > A giant ladybug? Truly? Ooo. I'll have to try that out after I finish with the icthyosaur, just to see where one'd put the feathered wings...Mwahahaha... Now, if she's a Cherub who fledged while there were still icthyosaurs on the Earth, that leads to some very bizarre possibilities for Cherubim who were around for the Cambrian explosion. Can you imagine an Opabinia regalis Cherub? Although, given the propensity most of the Burgess shale critters have for causing nightmares, they might be better off as Djinn; although some of the related species are actually rather handsome, for invertebrates... It does make sense, though. Hmmn. That's good; I was a little worried that large mammals were the normal for IN canon, allowing as how the only non-mammalian Cherubim I'd seen were Beleth and Mariel from Tattered Symphony...but then, I don't know the actual celestial forms of the canon Cherub archangels...hmnhmn... That leads me to wonder how much a Cherub's celestial form reflects its personality...probably considerably, yes? - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:38:44 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! On 25.04.2002 6:02 AM, "Michael Walton" wrote: > --- WonderGecko wrote: >> I have, on the sketchbook sitting next to me, a >> half-completed drawing of an >> icthyosaur Cherub in Celestial. > > Wow, you are full of capricious energy. I like you > already. 0:> Thanks! >D > >> do Cherub celestial forms >> /have/ to be large, mammalian, and (optionally) >> predatory > > Not as far as I know. But a Cherub with an ichthyosaur > celestial form must be a former Servitor of the Angel of > Dinosaurs, yes? Even so, an ichthyosaur would be more > appropriate for a Seraph of Animals. Now, a Cherub of > Animals whose celestial form was a winged amphicyon... Yesss, likely. I can just imagine an icthyosaur (or one of the other large fish-lizards) out there protecting whales from whalers on Jordi's business. Hehehe. >) An amphicyon, hmm? They would be positively frightening in celestial combat, you'd think. Woosh. There must be other equally large prehistoric mammals that would be fun to try, too...hmnhmn...so much fodder for potential artwork or very strange ideas... - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:43:32 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! > And the stray Cherub of Judgment boa constrictor who explains, with > a straight face, that this is what happens if you can't decide whether you > want to be a Seraph or a Cherub when you fledge. (He's not canon, but he > is amusing.) > *chortles* Now THAT is interesting. And indeed amusing. > I figure, if it's an animal and would look good with wings... How about flightless birds? >D > > Oh, and I'm currently figuring that Novalis' Cherubform is a ladybug -- > with feather angelwings under the carapaces. Not that she uses it much, > but it's a predator, and it eats things which harm plants. Cherubform. O:> Oooo. Now that's nifty. *revises mental picture of celform Novi and grabs her sketchpad* > > Oh, a little unusual, but hey, what's wrong with that? Some of Jordi's > Cherubim are probably sabertooths (the really old ones), and are more > likely to be feli-form (due to the Choir Attunement of Animals), but > everyone else? Hey, the more the merrier. O:> Mmmmn. Peachy. >D I did sit down and doodle up, of all things, a jellyfish Cherub during biology... >And the concept of Bunbun with wings and a halo makes my > brain hurt... *cackles madly* > > What _is_ a lurcher, though? > A half-breed or mutt dog with the general lines of a greyhound. :) They're used for poaching--maybe I should make her a Servitor of Wind, not Flowers. ;) The 'other' definition for the word lurcher is a poacher or a thief, although that's archaic. :) - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:23:13 -0400 From: "Brian C. Petery" Subject: IN> Lilim's Trading Cards In "Fall of the Malakim" p. 29, under Celestial Appearance of Geases. it says a Lilim holdng favors may /choose/ to allow tokens to manifest in symbolic form. If a Lilim manifests these on the corporeal plane, does it cause a disturbance in the Symphony? Wee! I'm a Rules Lawyer! BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:16:32 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy [mailto:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] I do figure that _most_ Cherubim are predators -- but if it looks good and impressive... Elk are good! Pegasus may have been inspired by an equine Cherub. And the concept of Bunbun with wings and a halo makes my brain hurt... ... I'd like to consider a Sphinx as a Cherubform, but I suppose it's so far outfield that it's anti-cannoical. Has anyone considerd that the King of the Island of Lost Toys from the old "Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer" is a Cherub? He must work for Christopher. Oh... and what's a Bunbun? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:42:06 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! >I'd like to consider a Sphinx as a Cherubform, but I suppose it's so far >outfield that it's anti-cannoical. > Why anti-canonical... sure, other than that whole Egyptian mythology thing. Cherubs fledging during the Heliopolitan's (spelling is almost certainly off) main period of prominence might have decided to form themselves in such a way that would indear them to the surprised Egyptians who found themselves in Heaven. >Oh... and what's a Bunbun? Yeah. What is that? And does anyone read the comic "The Authority"? The April issue has what is described as a "memetically-engineered, all-purpose pop god," Religimon. It's a giant purple, white winged, green haired, pokemon like creature. Very cute. I say this because, despite Media's obvious influence, Pokemon could be possible Cherubforms... at least for Christopher. ::looking around... noticing the un-amused looks... finding the biggest stone to duck under to avoid the flames:: Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:29:23 +0100 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Moger" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:42 AM Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! > >I'd like to consider a Sphinx as a Cherubform, but I suppose it's so far > >outfield that it's anti-cannoical. > > Why anti-canonical... sure, other than that whole Egyptian mythology thing. > Cherubs fledging during the Heliopolitan's (spelling is almost certainly > off) main period of prominence might have decided to form themselves in such > a way that would indear them to the surprised Egyptians who found themselves > in Heaven. 'Sides, Egyptian sphinxes - to the best of my knowledge - were guardians... Human head, lion body... no, don't see any reason for it to be anticanon... > >Oh... and what's a Bunbun? > Yeah. What is that? He's a rabbit. A mini-lop. A rabbit with a flickknife, a love of Baywatch, and a majorly homicidal attotude. And that still doesn't come close. http://www.sluggy.com - worship the comic. But the idea of him as a Cherub makes /my/ brain hurt... Imran ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:34:47 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! >He's a rabbit. A mini-lop. > >A rabbit with a flickknife, a love of Baywatch, and a majorly homicidal >attotude. > >And that still doesn't come close. > oh him. Yeah. I think the list already pegged him as a renegade Malakite. I forget who he's ist. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:43:27 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! From: "I. Inayat" > > 'Sides, Egyptian sphinxes - to the best of my knowledge - were guardians... And isn'tthe sphynx the cherubim choir sigil? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:49:27 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Djiin, with a few...embarrassing...Discords regarding his friends. > But the idea of him as a Cherub makes /my/ brain hurt... > > Imran > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:14:21 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! << oh him. Yeah. I think the list already pegged him as a renegade Malakite. I forget who he's ist. >> I have to ask - what is it on this list with BunBun as an angel? This is like the third time it's come up (based on browsing the archives). I read Sluggy, and to me he seems to be definatively demonic. The comic even describes him as "the personification of amoral selfishness" one time. He's more demonic, to me, then the DoP crowd! If I had to peg him, I'd make him a renegade Djinn of Furfur, myself. Not only is there _nothing_ selfless or angelic in the character, anything implanted therein completely overturns the concept. Now admittedly, I think he's not the most interesting (and _certainly_ not the most sympathetic!) character in the comic, but the reason- ing is still basically sound. - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:16:07 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! - -----Original Message----- From: Prodigal [mailto:res0axj6@verizon.net] >>From: "I. Inayat" >> >> 'Sides, Egyptian sphinxes - to the best of my knowledge - were >> guardians... > And isn't the sphynx the cherubim choir sigil? But this opens things up to Griffons, Hippocampi, as well as Djinn who look like Chimera or Charbodis. Not that I'm against it; I think it would go well with expanding the War into the Marches again, but it seems a bit of a strain on Cannon. I've hadd'a rolled up newspaper smacked across my nose enough over that sort'a thing. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:19:18 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! - -----Original Message----- From: Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) > Has anyone considerd that the King of the Island of Lost Toys from the old "Rudolph the > Rednosed Reindeer" is a Cherub? He must work for Christopher. Ooopss.. Make that Isle of Misfit Toys... Maybe he would work for Dreams after all. I'm gonna have to consider this seriously. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:50:09 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Moger" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! > oh him. Yeah. I think the list already pegged him as a renegade Malakite. > I forget who he's ist. Outcast Ofanite, actually... *g* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:53:14 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Mensch" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:14 AM Subject: RE: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! > I have to ask - what is it on this list with BunBun > as an angel? a) The extra frisson of horror produced by the thought that he still has the potential to fall and become worse. *eg* b) It's funny? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! - --- WonderGecko wrote: > Now, if she's a Cherub who fledged while there were still > icthyosaurs on the > Earth, that leads to some very bizarre possibilities for > Cherubim who were > around for the Cambrian explosion. Can you imagine an > Opabinia regalis Cherub? !!! Another paleontology buff! Frabjous day! > Although, given the propensity most of the > Burgess shale critters > have for causing nightmares, they might be better off as > Djinn So where would you place a celestial with a Hallucinogenia form? And I'd love to see your rendition of a Cherub as a feather-winged Anomalocaris... ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! - --- Josh Moger wrote: > >I'd like to consider a Sphinx as a Cherubform, but I > suppose it's so far > >outfield that it's anti-cannoical. > > > > Why anti-canonical... sure, other than that whole > Egyptian mythology thing. Except that the Sphinx is from Greek mythology, or is at least heavily influenced by Greek thought (the word itself is Greek for "strangler"). By some accounts the original statue was of a lion, and a later ruler had his face put on it. > Cherubs fledging during the Heliopolitan's (spelling is > almost certainly off) Nope, dead on. > main period of prominence might have decided to form > themselves in such > a way that would indear them to the surprised Egyptians > who found themselves in Heaven. In the Heliopolitans' main period of prominence they would've been called Neter, which is the indigenous term. Heliopolis is from after the Greek conquest. Which brings up an interesting point -- when Ethereals get their aspects changed by a major cultural shift in their base of worshippers, how much of the original aspect do they retain? > And does anyone read the comic "The Authority"? I did before it got wierd. Jenny Sparks would've been a great Ofanite of Lightning. Or maybe Cherub. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:38:23 +1000 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> The Tether of The Last Unicorn Inspired by the "Seneschal Question" Thread: The Last Unicorn was conceived during the Purity Crusade - an Ethereal Unicorn used The Ethereal Song of Fruition on a mare. Surviving the Crusade allowed the Last Unicorn to become a Tether to Dreams, as humans remembered what had once been. As the Unicorn was unable to breed, Dominic ruled that the creature could be safely left alive, and authorised the Seneschal to extend the beast's life via the Corporeal Song of Entropy. Of course, the Tsayadim had different ideas, and hunted down the Unicorn and killed it. Heaven swiftly hunted down and punished the Tsayadim responsible, but it was too late for the Seneschal, who had been reduced to a Remnant. It might have ended there, but for Saminga. He's never been happy with the existence of Living Tethers - sure, it's fun to kill them, but their existence annoys him. So when one of his Servitors Invoked him to show him the zombified Unicorn, he was overjoyed, granting the Servitor a Distinction and recommending him to Lucifer as Demonic Seneschal. THE LAST UNICORN: Zombi Unicorn CORPOREAL FORCES: 5 Strength: 10 Agility: 10 ETHEREAL FORCES : 2 Intelligence:10* Precision: 1 Vessel: Unicorn/6, Charisma +2. Skills: Acrobatics/1, Dancing/1, Detect Lies/Mastery, Dodge/6, Emote/Mastery, Escape/2, Fighting/6, Move Silently/5, Running/6, Survival(Woodland/4, Countryside/2, Mountains/1), Swimming/3, Tracking/4. Songs: Attraction(Corporeal/1, Ethereal/6), Blood(Corporeal/6, Ethereal/1), Charm (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/3), Dreams (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/1), Entropy (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/1), Harmony (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/1), Healing (Corporeal/4, Ethereal/2), Opening (Corporeal/1), Purity (Corporeal/1), Sleep (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/3), Solace (Corporeal/1) Attunements: Natural Causes, Sanctuary of The Dead. Advantages: Ethereal Connection, Toughness/2, Unicorn Horn (+2 Power, Accuracy +1; may use in addition to either biting or kicking). Discord: Fear(Knights)1, Need(blood from a virgin)/3 Special Rites: The Last Unicorn has Saminga's basic Rites. *Increased with character points. Easily the oldest zombi around, The Last Unicorn has over a 1,200 years experience at surviving, so he's probably the most powerful as well. The secret to his success is being protected by two Seneschals; further, Saminga has shown his fondness for the Unicorn by lavishing rewards on him. GWEN, Angelic Seneschal of The Last Unicorn Remnant of Dreams "Even when you've lost everything else, you can dream of what might have been. And if you still have your memories, you can dream of the good times: and everyone has a few happy times, no matter how rare. And if nothing else, you can dream of revenge." CORPOREAL FORCES: 2 Strength: 2 Agility: 2 ETHEREAL FORCES: 3 Intelligence: 1* Precision: 11 WORD FORCES: 1 Vessel: Maiden/4, Charisma +2 Skills: Artistry (Dreamcrafting/4, Embroidery/1), Dodge/4, Knowledge(The Marches/3, Unicorn care/4), Languages (Several Archaic)/2, Lockpicking/1, Medicine/5, Riding/6, Savoir-Faire/6, Small Weapon (Knife)/6, Throwing/4. Songs: Charm (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/6), Dreams (Corporeal/6, Ethereal/6), Healing(Corporeal/3, Ethereal/4), Harmony (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/1), Sleep (Corporeal/6, Ethereal/6). Attunements: Seraph of Dreams, Dreambook, Dream Sight; Scabbard (Laurence granted this shortly after becoming an AA while making peace with Blandine); Vassal of Dreams, Seneschal of The Last Unicorn. Discord: Murderous/3, Truthfulness/2. Special Rite: Spend an hour grooming The Last Unicorn. Special Ability: Gwen can grant Ride (Unicorn)/6 to any maiden she can see; this ability is lost when the maiden can no longer see either Gwen or The Last Unicorn. *Gwen's Intelligence can be increased to a maximum of 9, and her Perception to 12, using the Celestial Song of Solace. Gwen has an astoundingly good memory for a remnant - which means that she remembers the anguish she felt as the Tsayadim cut down The Last Unicorn. Her natural fury is usually enhanced by Amizirias, turning her into a vicious fighter - unless she's decided that they should cut & run, of course. Her habit of producing knives from nowhere and burying them into opponents has earned her quite a reputation among the Tsayadim: the last two times the trio were attacked, she was picked off early using the Ethereal Song of Entropy. When not being controlled by Amizarias, Gwen is sad, tired, and very likeable. She befriends most people easily; her loathing of knights becomes apparent if any medieval topic is broached, but she is otherwise a decent, ordinary, (8th Century) woman. AMIZARIAS, Demonic Seneschal of The Last Unicorn Habbalite of Death "Dragons were our friends, girl! In return for our playing music for them, they'd deal with those wretched knights who wanted to keep us as chattel! You don't believe me? Oh, you just don't know what chattel means. Okay, it's like this...." CORPOREAL FORCES: 4 Strength : 9 Agility: 7 ETHEREAL FORCES : 5 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 12 CELESTIAL FORCES: 5 Will : 12 Perception: 8 WORD FORCES: 1-3. Vessel: Amazon/6, Charisma +1, Owl/3. Skills: Acrobatics/6, Climbing/1, Dancing/1, Dodge/6, Emote/3, Enchant/6, Fast-talk/4, Fighting/4, Meditation/2, Move Silently/3, Necromancy/6, Ranged Weapon(Bow/6, Pistol/3, SMG/3), Running/2, Savoir-Faire/1, Seduction/1, Singing/3, Small Weapon(Sabre/6, Knife/2), Swimming/1, Tactics/3, Throwing/1. Songs: Attraction(Corporeal/3, Ethereal/6, Celestial/3), Blood(All/6), Charm (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/3), Entropy (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/1), Form (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/5, Unlife/5), Opening (Corporeal/1), Possession/4, Solace (Corporeal/4, Celestial/6). Attunements: All non-Restricted attunements of Death; Knight of Death, Seneschal of The Last Unicorn. Servants: As Lilim of Death, plus The Last Unicorn (a level/6 Servant). Artifact: Talisman(Dodge)/4, in the form of an (indestructible) breastplate. Special Rites: Kill a being which has attacked The Last Unicorn (Essence equal to her current Word Forces). Special Ability: While fighting from Unicorn-back, Amizarias adds her current Word Forces to the Power of any melee weapon. Never terribly sane, Amizarias has persuaded herself that Dominic's toleration of the tether of The Last Unicorn applies to her as well as Gwen, and that she is literally "doing God's work" by fighting Outcasts. ( A number of Seraphim have been stunned to hear the truth in her Words - 'the Unicorn has been granted to right to exist by Archangel Dominic himself': although a few have been able to get the *full* truth from her words). She controls Gwen and The Last Unicorn with her resonance and Songs, never letting them out of her sight. Travelling the world, she strengthens her Tether by encouraging humans to hate the knights who slaughtered the creatures of legend. She's well aware that her survival depends on preventing the destruction of The Last Unicorn, and the problem occupies her thoughts. (She has taught all of her Songs to the Unicorn, and made Gwen do the same). Given that the Tsayadim are the most serious threat, and that she can replace lost Word Forces, she often enters The Marches to challenge the Tsayadim to Celestial combat. Over the last 12 centuries, she's racked up quite a total, not just of Soul-killed, but also of those of whom she's stripped their last Corporeal Force (which prevents them from attacking the Unicorn - the fact that they'll just hunt Ethereals & Beleth's demons instead doesn't worry Amizarias in the slightest). In the Corporeal, she tries to keep a small army of zombis around to buy time to flee - or to help her destroy a weak force. Amizarias prefers to fight with pre-gunpowder weapons - it impresses the humans that she's trying to sway - but Gwen has a SMG Scabbarded for emergencies which Amizarias is adept with. Amizarias is actually damaging the Word of The Sword - large numbers of girls who she has spoken to have come to think of knights as murderous scum, who destroyed everything wonderful in the world. Amizarias is careful to avoid fighting angels of The Sword, realising that as soon as she engages a Laurencian with the Hunt attunement, she's as good as dead. The moment the 'Swordies' turn up she flees for the safety of Hell-controlled territory. She will, however, happily send a force of zombis after a Laurencian in the hope that they'll kill him. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:31:40 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! Julian Mensch wrote: > I have to ask - what is it on this list with BunBun > as an angel? This is like the third time it's come > up (based on browsing the archives). I read Sluggy, > and to me he seems to be definatively demonic. The > comic even describes him as "the personification of > amoral selfishness" one time. He's more demonic, to > me, then the DoP crowd! If I had to peg him, I'd > make him a renegade Djinn of Furfur, myself. Calabite of War. > Not only is there _nothing_ selfless or angelic in > the character, anything implanted therein completely > overturns the concept. Now admittedly, I think he's > not the most interesting (and _certainly_ not the most > sympathetic!) character in the comic, but the reason- > ing is still basically sound. I find him annoying. (Of course I haven't read Sluggy Freelance in several months.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:34:20 -0400 From: "Brian C. Petery" Subject: IN> Zapan, Demon Prince of Ice >>>+6: the iceberg that sank the Titanic >>The iceberg that sank the Titanic?!?! It melted last millenium! Unless you >>mean the dream-etherial version... >An invocation modifier doesn't necessarily have to be easy to find. >- -EDG OK, but it should at least exist. Asking for the iceberg that sank the Titanic is like asking for Nero's last fart. It's gone, never to be seen again. Yours in Triviality, BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:34:24 -0400 From: "Brian C. Petery" Subject: IN> I must ask... >an angel with the Word of Pop Music and a bizarre attunement >that involves defining someone by a Top 40 song (I haven't >worked out all the kinks, only that a Top 40 song is somehow >involved), am I addicted to IN? Wow. Now that's an ephemeral Word. Sounds too much like work tho. First you have to know what's on this weeks Top 40, and is that any top 40 list, the U.S. list, the U.K. list, or the world wide collected list? Thinking about this it sounds more like Nybbas. Shedite probably with all the jumping from slot to slot. "Can automatically possess and one listening to any Top 40 song from any Top 40 list. Doesn't need to corrupt host if it can annoy someone with Top 40 music." +++ >Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis >The Happy Shiny Mercurian >"The world is made of happy thoughts, and dreams, and >chocolate unicorns, and licorice sunsets, and gumdrops..." Haagenti wants to eat... I mean, meet you. Nybbas too. He has something to say about marketing breakfast cereals. And Fleurity wants to discuss the addictive qualities of white cane sugar. Not to mention the Words of Tooth Decay, Dentists and Diabetes. +++ >But a Cherub with an ichthyosaur >celestial form must be a former Servitor of the Angel of >Dinosaurs, yes? The Demon of Silly Rubber Monsters is interested! (oh wait, that's not me any more.) Cordially, Pete, Balseraph Demon of Bald Faced Lying http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:36:26 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Okay, a PERTINENT question now...Cherubim! >> And does anyone read the comic "The Authority"? > > I did before it got wierd. Jenny Sparks would've been a >great Ofanite of Lightning. Or maybe Cherub. > Nah. Definitely Ofanite. I didn't see any Cherub in her except an ability to know exactly where the butt is of everyone of the people under her command so that she could simultaneously kick them. Now... whatshisname... the guy... shoot... I forget his name, I think Jackson was part of it, but the guy that is basically god of cities... he would make a good Cherub. Eh. Cities need looking after. Course, then we'd have to make the Doctor a Cherub attuned to the Marches. The whole of the Marches. Hmmm... on a roll here... Apollo would be an Ofanite of Gabriel. Midnighter... at first I was going to for a straight (heh) line to Michael, but I think I'd have him stop at Eli for a quick history and Malakite attunement. Ofanite, who became a Malakite, got the Malakite attunement, and got switched to Michael after Eli went on hiatus.* Oh, the Engineer is either a female avatar of Jean, Jean herself, or a soldier of Lightning that has been given the niftiest nanotech that Jean's working on. (I don't know why, but the idea of the Engineer as a human works. I think she seems one of the most vulnerable of the characters in the comic.) Swift is an Ofanite of Jordi with an enhanced vessel. Hmm. Think I got them all. Josh *which brings up a point I was going to make about the list reaction to the Callahan question. My own version would be: Jake Stonebender: Soldier of Creation Long-Drink: Actually... I'm going to go with the Renegade Impudite of Dark Humor. The puns are that bad... Doc: Still bad puns, but he's just too jovial. Cherub of Creation, redeemed from Dark Humor, and trying to win the Word of Puns. Yes, it could be an angelic Word. Lucky Duck: Ethereal hybrid that had to accept a great deal of discord (Hairy, Angry) to get a vessle and has a touch of amnesia (thus blurring the memory of his origins). Mary Callahan: Cherub of Creation IST Flowers, but she's a wee dissonant. Lady Sally: (I have such a temptation to just make everyone here a Cherub... must resist...) Mercurian.. (yeah, that feels right) of Creation IST Destiny. She's actually risen a great deal in the ranks (after she transferred she devoted a few hundred years to Destiny... yes, Eli might have left about fifty years ago, but time really isn't an issue for the Callahans) and has become a Master of Divine Knowledge (Cherub resonance). Has devoted herself to redeeming every single being who has Fallen or fallen to Lust. And finally.... Wait. Eddie: Ofanite of Creation (you explain the magic fingers that know just exactly where to go) Okay, now... Mike Callahan: Though pegged as King of the Fae at one point, I'm going to actually go with... well... look at the evidence: Started the bar around the fifties. Provides a place where people of eclectic talents gather to grow together and become better people. Has absolutely no problem with supplying the very best of all alcohol. Enjoys a bit of creative destruction (the glasses). Is able to snap his fingers in the air and immediately get what he needs. I think it's pretty obvious. Mike Callahan is Eli. Josh (who should really be studying for those two exams he has Monday.) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2614 ********************************