in_nomine-digest Thursday, May 2 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2620 In this digest: IN> [Novalis] Angel of Euphemism Re: IN> Having only 3 kinds of Undead is sort of sparse, no? RE: IN> [Novalis] Angel of Euphemism RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) Re: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) Re: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) Re: IN> [Novalis] Angel of Euphemism IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) Re: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding Re: IN> [Novalis] Angel of Euphemism IN> The Angel of Specialists Re: IN> The Angel of Specialists Re: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding Re: IN> The Angel of Specialists IN> Vapula is so proud. IN> Novalis, Queen of the May Re: IN> The Angel of Specialists Re: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding Re: IN> Vapula is so proud. Re: IN> Novalis, Queen of the May Re: IN> The Angel of Specialists IN> Sorcery, Angels and the Edict Re: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding Re: IN> Novalis, Queen of the May Re: IN> Novalis, Queen of the May Re: IN> Sorcery, Angels and the Edict ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 00:35:51 -0300 From: "vez o'rama" Subject: IN> [Novalis] Angel of Euphemism Ok, so I admit it. I orginally read the subject 'Euhemerism' as 'Euphemism'... Anyhow, when I realized that I was wrong, this happened. And just in time for the Novalis theme, too! - - vez :) *********************** Aretas, Master of Peace Angel of Euphemism Malakite of Flowers If you can t say something nice, you aren t trying hard enough Aretas is a typical servant of Flowers, and thus an atypical Malakite. However, he is able to fight the War, and peacefully so. His strategy is simple. He takes Evil words, and makes them nice . Naturally, this requires a certain amount of machination and manipulation. Or, as Aretas would say, creativity and finesse . Corp 4: Str: 6 Agi: 10 Ethe 5: Int: 12 Pre: 8 Cele 5: Wil: 10 Per: 10 Suggested Word-Forces: 9 Attunements: Malakite of Flowers, Seraph of Flowers, Malakite of Purity, Nothing but Flowers Corporeal Skills: Dodge/6, Move Silently/6, Fighting-Aikido-style/4 Ethereal Skills: Savoir Faire/6, Knowledge-Gardening/6 Celestial Skills: Fast Talk/6, Tracking/6 Songs: Cacophony(Corp/2), Ecstasy(Ethe/5), Harmony(Ethe/5), Healing(Corp/3), Sanctity(Corp/2), Sanctity(Ethe/2), Solace(Corp/3), Tongues(Corp/6), Tongues(Ethe/3), Tongues(Cele/3). Oaths: Suffer not an evil to live, when it is my choice. Never surrender in a fight, and never be captured by the armies of Lucifer. Once a day, reflect upon my actions and their impact on the Symphony. Love first, judge last. Never utter an unsavory word or phrase. Always make a positive substitution when possible. Otherwise, substitute something harmless. Aretas was a mature reliever when the Rebellion occurred, a butterfly-spirit flitting about in the Glade. Within the upset following the Fall, however, it seems he found his purpose and he fledged into a Malakite. Much to the surprise and delight of Novalis, he immediately expressed belief that he could best serve God through her. Novalis welcomed him with little hesitation, making him one of her first Malakim. Aretas wasn t the first to recognize the strategy of word perversion. That was a demonic concept from the get-go, as we all know. However, he was the first to suggest the deliberate perversion of a demonic word, and the first to devise a strategy for doing so. The Seraphim Council balked at the idea at first. It just seemed so deceptive. Aretas was very persuasive. Shortly thereafter, and with all the associated ambition and driving passion of a Malakite, he stood before the Council and petitioned for the Word of Euphemism. They honoured his request. For years he was an aid to Uriel, serving with Novalis blessing. But then came the Purity crusades and not long after they started, Aretas distanced himself from Heaven s Army. To this day, however, he does remain on good terms with Laurence and will rarely refuse to assist on a mission regarding word perversion. As long as the other participants promise to watch the ody-count-bay. Aretas works with a negative concept, creates the opportunity for Euphemism, and then works to replace the negative concept with the Euphemism. Once the Euphemism has a firm hold, he usually moves on. If the Euphemism can become a new Divine word, it may be assumed by a petitioner at the discretion of the Seraphim council Naturally, he s always on the look-out for ambitious angels, the kind who are willing to work for a word, who are eager to take on his projects after he s gotten the ball rolling. Besides, he likes the back-up! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Having only 3 kinds of Undead is sort of sparse, no? - --- Michael Walton wrote: > Seems to me that this ritual would only have to be > used a > few times before somebody started engineering > Vessels with > a self-destruct mechanism (i.e. rapid decay upon > corporeal death). That would depend on the campaign: frex, in the game that I currently run Vessels turn into silvery dust upon corporeal death, making their later reanimation impossible. But then, I'm not running a terribly realistic game anyway. The rapid decay solution would probably be noticed in a more realistic game, I think. Besides, at the end it's all about whether the GM finds this sort of thing entertaining and/or useful, and whether his/her players are willing to go along with the gag... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 23:40:07 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> [Novalis] Angel of Euphemism This is a _really_ cool concept, and a nice reminder that Novy isn't useless. Thanks, and consider it stolen. :) - -- Julian - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 23:35:39 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) Can I ask what makes this demon in any way evil? If she's *meant* to be a redemption candidate, then that's cool -- but masochism is just another sexual taste, and as long as she gets people to *ask* to be hurt, that strikes me as more an *angelic* aspect to the Word of Pain, not to mention skirting Andre's dissonance by *caring* that the other person is tru- ly enjoying the treatment. She could work rather well, OTOH, as an underling to Moe's Kandiel. Again, sorry to harp, but the RL SM community is singulairly the best example of group sexual resp- onsability I've ever seen; if everybody managed their sexual ethics as these people do, our world would be a _much_ better place. And just like any religion or foriegn culture, subcultures too deserve respect when portrayed in RPGs. Again, I'm not knoking the writer; just making a counterpoint. I could see a much more effective Lustie of Pain, on the other hand, using sex and seduction to break hearts and destroy self-esteem. This would cause a lot deeper, more subtle and more lasting kind of pain, thus serving the Word much better then S/M does. - -- Julian Mensch - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) - --- EDG wrote: > Araib > Balseraph of Lust > Demon of Pain Ah, much better. Doubtless she works with the demons of Sadism and Masochism (or maybe they both work for her). ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:48:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) - --- Julian Mensch wrote: > Can I ask what makes this demon in any way evil? The fact that she's using sex as a means to extract secrets from people (which Alaemon surely approves of). And I seriously doubt that she restricts her attentions to single people or discourages her clients from engaging her services when they should be doing something else. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:40:12 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) I think the fact that the demon uses her attunements almost w/o her own knowledge makes her a fine Demon. Nothing intrinsically wrong with S/M, but its usage at the hand of (for example) the Demon of Pain, and I imagine most Demons of Lust, is not typical of the environtment found in most S/M clubs or studios. And, really, there's just as many crazy people in the S/M community as anywhere else, and being driven by demonic manipulation to do things that they think are "grotesque" or "wrong" definitly forwards Andre's take on its word. Anyways, counter point, Patrick > Can I ask what makes this demon in any way evil? > If she's *meant* to be a redemption candidate, then > that's cool -- but masochism is just another sexual > taste, and as long as she gets people to *ask* to > be hurt, that strikes me as more an *angelic* aspect > to the Word of Pain, not to mention skirting Andre's > dissonance by *caring* that the other person is tru- > ly enjoying the treatment. She could work rather > well, OTOH, as an underling to Moe's Kandiel. > > Again, sorry to harp, but the RL SM community is > singulairly the best example of group sexual resp- > onsability I've ever seen; if everybody managed > their sexual ethics as these people do, our world > would be a _much_ better place. And just like any > religion or foriegn culture, subcultures too deserve > respect when portrayed in RPGs. Again, I'm not > knoking the writer; just making a counterpoint. > > I could see a much more effective Lustie of Pain, > on the other hand, using sex and seduction to break > hearts and destroy self-esteem. This would cause a > lot deeper, more subtle and more lasting kind of > pain, thus serving the Word much better then S/M > does. > > -- Julian Mensch > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:03:00 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unni_Sol=E5s?= Subject: RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) On Thu, 2 May 2002, Michael Walton wrote: > > Can I ask what makes this demon in any way evil? > > The fact that she's using sex as a means to extract > secrets from people (which Alaemon surely approves of). > And I seriously doubt that she restricts her attentions to > single people or discourages her clients from engaging her > services when they should be doing something else. The balseraph of Lust attunement also 'forces' people to enjoy things they normally wouldn't. It is one thing to be into S/M out of your own free mind and will. That is all well and good and Your Own Business(TM). It is something _entirly_different_ to have such feelings foreced upon you by balseraphic mind control, to become addicted to it while a voice from you very core screams that this should not be so. And there is nothing you can do to stop it, and you dont栫now how it happened, and you just have to hav more... *shudder* Moe did an angel of Kinky Sex, and it works really, really well. I would imagine that this here balseraph would be in all sorts of agony as soon as that malakite gets her hands on the demon..;) - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Sol峼/div> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:15:56 -0400 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) At 03:03 PM 5/2/02 +0200, you wrote: >Moe did an angel of Kinky Sex, and it works really, really well. I would >imagine that this here balseraph would be in all sorts of agony as soon as >that malakite gets her hands on the demon..;) And she'd *love* it despite herself... ;) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 06:03:33 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> [Novalis] Angel of Euphemism > > The Seraphim Council balked at the idea at first. It just seemed. so > deceptive. Aretas was very persuasive. > Does the Seraphim Council ever wisely consider an idea, and then decide to allow it? Or is the Seraphim Council balking just one of the hoops you jump through. "Laurence called the meeting to order. The Seraphim Council balked, but Laurence was very persuasive." On a more related note, does the author think that the Angel of Euphemism is on the loosing end of the Balseraph of Euphemism - you know, the demon who got burned way to often by his web of lies collapsing, so started getting *everyone* to talk *just like him*? Regards, Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:33:02 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unni_Sol=E5s?= Subject: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding With thanks to Steinar Knutsen in my gaming group for coming up with this little Tune. - ---- Novalis has more than one dirty little trick hidden up her sleeve. One of her most effective tricks is a Song that can make even other Archangels quite nervous. It is a Song that Novalis discovered a very long time ago, and there is speculations that she has shared it with a few ethereal mother godesses. She has certainly shared it with Zadkiel. It is rumored that she once used this Song to give Andrealphus a piece of her mind after he went a bit too far with one of her angels. There is *absolutely no* evidence whatsoever that His Princelyness spent the next three days not having any kind of sex, and being very ashamed and appologising a lot about his...uhm..yeah..well.. *blush* As I said: No evidence. Whatsoever. Novalis has been quite careful when handing out this Song. She only gives it out to specially favored servitors of the maternal persuation. She also uses it very sparingly. It tends to come as a big and rather nasty surprise when she does use it, though. A scolding from Novalis is not something anyone forgets. Ever. ****** Song of Scolding (Ethereal) By expending two notes of essence the performer may make a single celestial or human, or a small group by expending an extra note of essence, feel Really Bad and Very Guilty about something the performer finds questionable, unethical, wrong, suboptimal, etc. The target will try and make amends in whatever more or less reasonable way the performer points out. Can this Song be resisted? You wish... *evil smile* Ethereal Song of Shields protects you, but such willfull refusal to recive the proper telling-off will probably result in you getting an even worse telling off later... Disturbance: None, if the performer is a cherub in a female vessel. 1 + essence used if othervise. - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Sol峼/div> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:33:57 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unni_Sol=E5s?= Subject: RE: IN> The Demon of Pain (Lust) On Thu, 2 May 2002, EDG wrote: > >Moe did an angel of Kinky Sex, and it works really, really well. I would > >imagine that this here balseraph would be in all sorts of agony as soon as > >that malakite gets her hands on the demon..;) > > And she'd *love* it despite herself... ;) *ROTFL* :D You are a Very Bad Man! - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Sol峼/div> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 06:15:14 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding > It is rumored that she once used this Song to give Andrealphus a piece of > her mind after he went a bit too far with one of her angels. There is > *absolutely no* evidence whatsoever that His Princelyness spent the next > three days not having any kind of sex, and being very ashamed and > appologising a lot about his...uhm..yeah..well.. *blush* As I said: No > evidence. Whatsoever. Any rumors regarding the ... ahem ... "liaisons" that Novalis sought out for the three days after *that* are certainly equally without evidence. And there are no Calabim of Lust still wearing stunned, but pleased, expressions. :) Patrick Goes as Asmodeous for Halloween too often ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:30:50 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> [Novalis] Angel of Euphemism At 06:03 AM 5/2/02 -0400, you wrote: > Does the Seraphim Council ever wisely consider an idea, and then decide to >allow it? Or is the Seraphim Council balking just one of the hoops you jump >through. > "Laurence called the meeting to order. The Seraphim Council balked, but >Laurence was very persuasive." Laurence called the meeting to order, describing his new plan in every detail, hoping he'd remembered them all correctly. (A properly laid-out plan had enough details to cover *every* contingency, which was often enough to cause even an Archangel to stumble.) The rest of the Council listened attentively, and when Laurence was done, Dominic looked over, causing the Malakite to flinch slightly. "Well, that sounds like a good plan. Go to it, then." "Er... what?" Michael shot Dominic a glare. "Loath as I am to agree with the honorable Councillor, I can't say that I don't. You've got a fair shot at pulling it off, Larry, so go ahead and start her up. You understand I won't be able to provide many resources at first, but you and I both know that's part of fighting a war. Good job, Laurence." The Archangel of the Sword was stunned for a moment. Finally, he recovered his composure enough to ask, "You... agree with it? No compunctions?" "Nope," said Jordi, attending for once. "I think it's great." Novalis nodded her agreement. Laurence raised an eyebrow. "Um. Are you sure?" Dominic sighed. "Fairly confident, yes. Shouldn't I be?" - -- Which is why you only ever hear about the ideas that the Council doesn't like at first glance. ;) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:10:34 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> The Angel of Specialists A brief break from the Thought Experiment. My brain's on rapid-fire today, I think... (5k) - -EDG - -- Grieg Ofanite Vassal of Destiny Angel of Specialists Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 8 Agility: 8 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 4 Will: 8 Perception: 8 Suggested Word-Forces: 4-6 Skills: Acrobatics/2, Climbing/2, Computer Operation/2, Detect Lies/2, Dodge/2, Driving/2, Electronics/2, Emote/4, Escape/4, Fast-Talk/4, Fighting/2, Knowledge (General/2), Languages (English/5), Lockpicking/4, Lying/2, Medicine/2, Move Silently/4, Ranged Weapon (Handgun/4), Running/2, Savoir-Faire/4, Seduction/2, Small Weapon (Knife/2), Survival (General/2), Swimming/2, Tactics/4, Throwing/2, Tracking/2 (but see below) Songs: Attraction (Celestial/6), Motion (Celestial/6), Projection (All/4) Attunements: Ofanite of Destiny, Angel of Specialists Roles: "Kit Partridge", intelligence operative, 4/2 (once 6/4, this Role has fallen into serious neglect and disrepair) Vessels: Human male/6 Angel of Specialists: Grieg may concentrate all of his energy on one skill, elevating it to level 6 for a number of rounds equal to his Word-Forces - even skills he doesn't actually possess. Essentially, if he knows it can be done, Grieg can do it, at least for a short while. However, all of the other skills that he *does* possess drop to default levels while the attunement is active - and he can't use skills that he doesn't possess *at all* for the duration. Grieg's irony is that he is, himself, more of a generalist. He prides himself in knowing a little bit of everything, so that he can lend a hand in almost any situation, and in fact the Word of Specialists was not his choice. Grieg wanted to be the Angel of Super-Spies, but Yves had different ideas. Grieg fledged, back in the late 1960s, as a simple Ofanite of Destiny whose only real outstanding characteristics were a love for spy stories and a preternatural knack for being in the right place at the right time. Let it never be said that he didn't love working for Destiny; in his opinion, defeating evil and saving the world were what life was all about. However, he soon discovered that the skills in which he'd put most of his energy simply weren't enough. Almost every day Grieg was running into problems that he didn't know how to solve, and it frustrated him to be unable to help in *every single occasion*. Thus he began to study as much as he could, and by the late 1980s he could honestly say that there were few situations in which he could not dispense some much-needed advice. After not only saving a Tether (through pointing out a key hole in the attackers' strategy) but inadvertently establishing a second (after the routed attackers holed up in a library, the humans inhabiting it at the time managed to fight them off as well in order to protect the books, forming a minor Tether to Destiny), he was granted the Vassal of Destiny distinction. Life was good. Unfortunately, the Cold War chose about that time to end. Government super-spies were out; industrial and corporate espionage were in, and Grieg was suddenly without a job, his Role out of a job (and, incidentally, a house and meal plan). In a desperate attempt to maintain his way of life, Grieg petitioned for the Word of Super-Spies, pointing out that he'd forwarded the concept for *years* and was familiar enough with it to bring it back into eminence. Yves had different ideas, though, and convinced the Seraphim Council to grant Grieg the Word of Specialists. (In the interests of complete disclosure, it should be said that the Word attunement was Yves's idea as well.) Grieg is currently a freelancer; he and Yves have discovered that he's simply more effective if he allows serendipity and the Symphony to guide him to where he needs to be. However, he's more than willing to help pretty much any non-Infernal he runs across - especially if it gives him an occasion to wear a tuxedo... (Grieg is an NPC of moderate power. He's rarely consistently in one place; the suggested use for Grieg is as a tool to get PCs out of an inadvertent tight spot or as a traveling resource. His natural proclivities tend to keep him with a situation until he feels that it's resolved, though, just to make sure that his advice works out; if Grieg sticks around after the PCs think they're done with an adventure, they can be reasonably certain that there's still more to do.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:00:58 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Specialists Isn't forty years from fledging to Word-bound a very fast career? (Suitable to a ophanite, of course.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 16:50:25 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding >From: Unni Sol峠 >Subject: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:33:02 +0200 (CEST) >Can this Song be resisted? You wish... *evil smile* Ethereal Song of >Shields protects you, but such willfull refusal to recive the proper >telling-off will probably result in you getting an even worse telling off >later... Sounds wonderful, but also sounds a bit too powerful. If it can't be resisted, the Flower children should be the most powerful angels in existence -- they keep Scolding the demons into doing nothing. (If necessary, they can take turns) For Shedim and servitors of Prines who require continual activity of some type as a dissonance condition, they can Scold 'em right into quivering piles of Discord. Of course, a campaign built around such a premise could be interesting. But for a default campaign, shouldn't there be a resistance of some type? In GURPS IN, I know exactly I'd do it -- Contest Of Wills between the singer and the intended victim. What would a proper IN rules mechanism for this be? - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:53:41 -0700 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Specialists > Isn't forty years from fledging to Word-bound a very fast career? > (Suitable to a ophanite, of course.) > > Earl I'd certainly say so. An angel I wrote up (and may post here for the Novalis fest) is about 80 years old and still gets described as wet behind the wings. Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis The Happy Shiny Mercurian "The world needs a hug" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:20:29 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Vapula is so proud. Love is truly the most selfish emotion. The target of the affection doesn't even have to be alive... * Silicon Pets, but the Pride Is Real http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/02/technology/circuits/02AIBO.html * Vapula is so proud. Pete, Demon of Bald Faced Lying http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:20:30 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Novalis, Queen of the May Squeakers, Reliever of Flowers Corporeal: 1 Strength: 1 Agility: 3 Ethereal: 2 Intelligence: 2 Precision: 6 Celestial: 3 Will: 8 Perception: 4 Skills: Songs: Fire (Ethereal/4) Vessels: Hamster/4, Dandelion puff/1 Roles: Class Hamster/3 (Little Miss Squeakers! She lives in your sneakers!) Squeakers is a very enthusiastic Reliever. She hasn't decided if she wants to be a Cherub or an Ofanite when she fledges. Her current activities consist of sitting in the bach of the kindergarten of Lo-cal Elementary School and inspiring students who seem to be having trouble. She particularly enjoys helping students with chronic learning difficulty. Squeakers has a problem. She doesn't know when to leave the kids alone. If a student is sitting quietly, just thinking, Squeakers assumes the child has a problem. She will do her best to get the child working, despite the fact that the child already is busy. Applying the Ethereal Song of Fire to someone who already /has/ a successful approach to solving a problem can distract the subject from their current solution. Leading to more sitting around. Leading to more of her attention being focused on that child... Squeakers desperately wants to help every one of /her/ students. She really means well, she just doesn't understand the virtue of patience when dealing with children. ADVENTURE SEED She's beguiling to suspect Demonic interference. Maybe those Angels over there (the PCs) could lend a wing. (Wild Goose chase anyone?) Once (If!) the PCs actually figure out what the real problem is, how do they explain it to Squeakers? Honestly, she isn't very bright. A Malakite or a Seraph doing their "Bossy Routine" would work better than an Elohim giving intellectual lecture on child psychology. ADVENTURE SEED Oh no! The new student is allergic to hamsters! Can our heros prevent the banishment of the beloved class pet? (And score points with Jordi) Or will that Lilim cut a deal with poor, gullible Squeakers; and the kid with the allergies, and all the other kids who love Squeakers so much! (Assuming the Corporeal Song of Healing can cure allergies.) Wee! I'm a Rules Lawyer! Pete, Demon of Bald Faced Lying http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:21:54 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Specialists At 12:00 PM 5/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >Isn't forty years from fledging to Word-bound a very fast career? >(Suitable to a ophanite, of course.) I'm not sure I see why. As someone recently pointed out, the fact that angels have lifespans measured in millennia doesn't mean that hours don't pass just as slowly for them. It just means that they have more of them to throw around. In forty years, your average human is expected to have gone through college and to be halfway through a career. There's no reason that angels can't learn just as fast as humans (and some indication that they can learn faster), and in point of fact I'd argue that this is a case where a Word should have been assigned quite a bit earlier (in the case of Super-spies), in order to keep the Word from dying. As written, Grieg has proven his competency many times over, is not the sort of angel to defect, and in fact has repeatedly demonstrated his loyalty and worth to the Destiny organization. In cases such as this, I find it remarkably hard to believe that the Seraphim Council would be able to say that age makes much of a difference. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> [Novalis] The Song of Scolding - --- Unni_Sol峠 wrote: > Song of Scolding (Ethereal) > > Can this Song be resisted? You wish... *evil smile* If not, it's unbalanced. Will roll to resist sounds right. > Disturbance: None, if the performer is a cherub in a > female vessel. Hey! Sexism and choirism in the same Song! No fair! 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Vapula is so proud. - --- BC Petery wrote: > Love is truly the most selfish emotion. > The target of the affection doesn't even have to be > alive... Nah. If it ain't selfless, it ain't love. Wanting the benefits of a pet without having to feed and care for a real living thing, OTOH, that's selfish. Makes sense that Vapula would promote that. I can see Kobal lending a hand, too. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Queen of the May - --- BC Petery wrote: > Squeakers, Reliever of Flowers ROACLMWO! ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Specialists - --- EDG wrote: > As written, Grieg has proven his competency many times > over, is not the > sort of angel to defect, and in fact has repeatedly > demonstrated his > loyalty and worth to the Destiny organization. In cases > such as this, I > find it remarkably hard to believe that the Seraphim > Council would be able > to say that age makes much of a difference. Not only that, but -- unlike his older siblings -- he doesn't have millenia of outdated information about Earth to unlearn. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "In film, the director is God. In documentaries, God is the director." - -- Alfred Hitchcock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 17:41:11 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Sorcery, Angels and the Edict Tah Muhn stood there. Looking at the younger soul. One who had showed great promise, and if he applied himself correctly he would soon master the ways of the Mercurian, the first of the seven major sorcerous paths. "So, honoured soul, all that I have learned is no longer to be practised? In the holy realm it is considered evil yes? Hmm, I understand. Very well, I hereby pledge to never use the arts I once learned. I pledge to follow the laws of the seven fold." Tah Muhn nodded, his pitch-black skin absorbing the light. "I As Seraph master then hereby swear you in as a student of the Offanite. For the next twenty years your companions shall be those you seek to emulate. There after, we shall see how you are going before you rise from novitiate to learned, then many years more before you raise from learned to fledgling, then if you are studious, to the rank of Mercurian Soul proper." Leading the sorcerous soul in to the library, he signalled to a seraph, malakite and elohite. He had already chosen these three to be the guardians of this soul. ++++++++++ The Sorcerous Saints are forbidden to study normal rituals. This was one of the many edicts laid down by Dominic (six hundred and forty three rules of sorcery as used in heaven by these types of sorcerers), and agreed on by the majority of the angels interested in sorcerous souls. Even Michael agreed that sorcerers, whilst useful, could be a liability if they were to slip and fall in to the hands of the Damned. The rituals that the souls practice are, for human's incredibly complicated. Humans are not made to hold the power of gods firstborn, the angels. But these humans managed it, however, they did have to die to become candidates. Not all sorcerers who achieve their fate agree to the edicts, and are sworn by several angels to never practice their Arts in heaven. With such opposition, the vast bulk of such souls hang around for a relatively short while, then head to the ladder, wishing to see things higher up. Those that do stick around, and do agree to study the Sevenfold path are often by the end of learning even just a couple of rituals, very old souls. Each Path takes many years, usually 100-200 years of study to fully complete. When they attain the highest level of the path, they gain the title of "(angel type) Soul". The more holy the path, the longer it takes to learning. The Ofanim path takes at the very least 100 years to learn all the levels of, where as the highest of the paths, the Seraphic path, takes along the lines of 500 years per level attained in that path. So, in all the years, how many Sorcerous Souls are there? In total there are less than thirty. They are in the service of no archangel, but feel that by working for just one aspect, they are falsely serving god. A sorcerous soul is allowed to study any of the Sevenfold paths, but must commit himself to one path above all others, until he has mastered it. There are not actually Seven major rituals, only the following choirs have been studied and understood by the sorcerers. Seraphim, Ofanim, Cherubim and Kyriotates. The sorcerers may have rituals based on the other choirs but they are not publicised or used a great deal, so their existence remains speculation. +++++++++++++++ So, what are the rituals studied? Thats covered in PT3... Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. 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But I suppose she, being who she is, would have shared at least a little bit...:) There should also be a time limit for how long it lasts. It's not supposed to be like a geas; to last 'indefinitely' until the task gets done, and give the Scolded discords or anything like that. I'll leave the timepan open - suit to fit your own needs. Hm. Now there's an idea.. Maybe it can be resisted as a geas? Will minus level of Song? Makes it pretty powerful still, but less extreme than the original. Oh well, just a thougt. It is, after all, A Silly Song:) > Hey! Sexism and choirism in the same Song! No fair! 0:> One must be respectful to one's mom and Do As She Says... :) I suppose cherubs are a bit tooo easy to make 'mom-jokes' about. But hey! - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Sol峼/div> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:12:09 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Queen of the May >>A Malakite or a Seraph doing their "Bossy Routine" would work better than an Elohim giving intellectual lecture on child psychology. The image of an angel scolding a hamster strikes me not only as hysterical, but something that Moe would inflict on us. Don't forget; if it's going to have a hamster Role, it needs appropriate skills such as Running (Specialty: Wheel), Climbing and Chewing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 18:29:46 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Queen of the May [snip] >Don't forget; if it's going to have a hamster Role, it needs appropriate >skills such as Running (Specialty: Wheel) She's a clumsy hamster. The kids love Squeakers. They laugh and laugh. *g* >Climbing See above. *vbeg* >and Chewing. She never nibbles or gnaws anything she's not supposed to, or much of anything at all. The *teachers* love her too. Of course, such un-hamsterish behavior would arouse the suspicions of any demons whose Roles happen to end up at that school... but poor Squeakers *isn't* very bright... - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:42:52 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Sorcery, Angels and the Edict > >Not all sorcerers who achieve their fate agree to the edicts, and are sworn >by several angels to never practice their Arts in heaven. You mean Destiny, right? Unless the archangels are fishing the souls straight out of Hell and Kronos' hands... Hmm... that would make for an interesting plot seed though... Sorcerer... convinced of the Cacophony until he dies and see Hell... realizes the Truth of the Symphony... wants to use his powers to find a way out and Redeem? Josh ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2620 ********************************