in_nomine-digest Thursday, May 9 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2629 In this digest: Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II IN> Gabriel wallpaper IN> My brain hurts... Re: IN> Gabriel wallpaper Re: IN> Dueling Sequels Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II Re: IN> My brain hurts... Re: IN> My brain hurts... Re: IN> My brain hurts... Re: IN> My brain hurts... Re: IN> My brain hurts... Re: IN> My brain hurts... Re: IN> Superior Coffee (Warning. The Non-Canon light is on.) Re: IN> My brain hurts... IN> Re:Large Shield IN> Re:Coffee IN> Re: killing Tethers Re: IN> My brain hurts... Re: IN> Re: killing Tethers Re: IN> My brain hurts... IN> The Cage RE: IN> A Sequel... Re: IN> A Sequel... Re: IN> A Sequel... Re: IN> Dueling Sequels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:30:17 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II From: "Mike Bruner" > > God knows what would happen if Haagenti could be made to > actually THROW UP My God! The lost Monet! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:34:01 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: IN> Gabriel wallpaper Thanks to Genevive Cogman's correction of the bad Latin in the original version, here's a grammatically correct version of the background (if not necessarily accurate to the Dies Irae... Anyone know where I could find it online? Please privately e-mail me with the link if you do.) http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/in_nomine/images/gabriel_dies-irae_800x600.jpg I knew I should've just stuck with (relatively) common English poems and songs... ^_^;; ~S.D. Ryukage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Do as I say, ladies and gentlemen, not as I do. Because who wants to wind up being the one who sees everything and says nothing? It's not a comfortable role to play at all. "And sooner or later, you run out of cigarettes and music to play." Ruka Tsuchiya, 'Angels of the Silences' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:39:48 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> My brain hurts... "They all wonder why I supported the little goblin in cementing his claim to princehood. Some of them even manage not to get it completely wrong. "Afraid he'd eat me? Not hardly. He'd have gone for Belial long before he even thought about sinking his teeth in me, never fear. But he'd have wound up being the one on the spit instead of the one turning it if I hadn't reined him in, and we can't have that, now can we? "Or rather, *I* can't have that. I have plans for you, dear 'brother.' "I forget which human said that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but he was pretty smart for a bald monkey. And everybody thinks that he's digested everybody he's eaten... I'm sorry, but it is to laugh. "When the final battle comes, one of the facists up high is going to manage to split Haagenti open. And then, all those angels and demons he's eaten are going to pop out of him like candy from a pinata. Or to put it a bit more accurately, like a legion of cornered rats desperate to take out their anger and claustrophobia on anything stupid enough to come within reach. "And the the joke will be on both sides of the War, now won't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:41:11 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel wallpaper Oh, that's *definitely* the best one yet. I'm really looking forward to the others. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:08:00 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Dueling Sequels > 16 choose 2 = 16!/(2!*(16-2)!)= 16*15/2 = 120 > > Jennifer the Mathematician Ahh, thank you. :) I'll remember that formula this time around. - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:11:06 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II On 08.05.2002 3:30 PM, "Prodigal" wrote: > From: "Mike Bruner" >> >> God knows what would happen if Haagenti could be made to >> actually THROW UP > > My God! The lost Monet! > So, theoretically, if you were a Magpie that had been eaten by Haagenti... - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:17:36 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II Although this brings up an interesting thought about Haagenti; is there anything out there which is actually poisonous to him or would make him sick? I would imagine everything possible has been tried by enemies at some point, given how easy administration would be to arrange. Maybe make an adventure out of the unusual results of one such attempt - God knows what would happen if Haagenti could be made to actually THROW UP Snip According to Moe, it would begin series of events leading up to Haagenti's Redemption. I just think Shal-Mari would be uninhabitable for about a week. (would that release things/persons long thought gone, or would exposing the rest of the universe to that black hole in his guts cause all of Creation to be sucked in?). Snip Didn't happen for the first 19,000 years that Mariel was around. Imagine the panic as the PCs struggle to find 50,000 gallons of Pepto-Bismol in order to prevent catastrophe... snip Okay, that's just funny. And remember, it's not just Pepto-Bismol. It's *Celestial* Pepto-Bismol. And if you think the corporeal stuff tastes bad... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:19:01 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II >From: "Mike Bruner" >> >> God knows what would happen if Haagenti could be made to >> actually THROW UP > >My God! The lost Monet! > Ah. So that's where ALL the +6 invocation stuff is. Hmm.... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:20:31 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Crosstraining, Part II Although this brings up an interesting thought about Haagenti; is there anything out there which is actually poisonous to him or would make him sick? Snip Okay, I actually wanted to answer this section of the e-mail semi-seriously. I'm assuming that Haagenti, being the purely entropic Calabite that he is, doesn't so much have intestines or a stomach to poison as he does have a holding area where his entropy breaks his food down to the component forces. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:27:42 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... > > "When the final battle comes, one of the facists up high is going to >manage to split Haagenti open. And then, all those angels and demons he's >eaten are going to pop out of him like candy from a pinata. Or to put it a >bit more accurately, like a legion of cornered rats desperate to take out >their anger and claustrophobia on anything stupid enough to come within >reach. > > "And the the joke will be on both sides of the War, now won't it?" > Okay, that was good. But lets make it so that even Kobal doesn't get to do much more than a momentary chuckle: Haagenti is split open to show... That the angels have long since Fallen in Haagenti's gut. And all of the demons, regardless of past Superior have sworn allegiance to the most powerful being in his stomach. And so on the final battefield, you get ranks after ranks of servitors of Oblivion, followed by their very own Princess of the Void. Josh (You know the Basement browsing ability for Warehouse 32? How every item starts with "You open a box at random to find..."? Wouldn't an IN version work if you just substituted for the above: "Haagenti is split open to show..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:42:24 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... [snip] > > Josh > (You know the Basement browsing ability for Warehouse 32? How every item > starts with "You open a box at random to find..."? Wouldn't an IN version > work if you just substituted for the above: "Haagenti is split open to > show..." > You are a sick, sick man. :D - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 19:58:24 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... >Josh >(You know the Basement browsing ability for Warehouse 32? How every item >starts with "You open a box at random to find..."? Wouldn't an IN version >work if you just substituted for the above: "Haagenti is split open to >show..." ~/o "On the first day of Christ-mas, I found in Haa-gen-ti/A host of Jordi in a pear tree!" o/~ { "..."} ~S.D. Ryukage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Man is physically as well as metaphysically a thing of shreds and patches, borrowed unequally from good and bad ancestors, and a misfit from the start." Ralph Waldo Emerson, 'Conduct of Life' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:01:49 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... From: "Josh Moger" > > That the angels have long since Fallen in Haagenti's gut. > And all of the demons, regardless of past Superior have sworn allegiance to > the most powerful being in his stomach. I like how you think. But when I was writing my piece, I had to stick with what Kobal would think he knew in order to stay in-character. And him not being anywhere near his "brother" Haagenti during the final battle is a given. Hard to laugh at the misfortune of others when it's happening to you too, now isn't it? ;:;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:27:12 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... > > >>Josh >>(You know the Basement browsing ability for Warehouse 32? How every item >>starts with "You open a box at random to find..."? Wouldn't an IN version >>work if you just substituted for the above: "Haagenti is split open to >>show..." > >~/o "On the first day of Christ-mas, I found in Haa-gen-ti/A host of Jordi in a pear tree!" o/~ > >{ "..."} > Shouldn't have... but ye did. I'm really trying to get some essence from Dark Humor today... On the last battlefield, they found in Haagenti... Twelve sorcerers scheming Eleven Calabim swearing Ten Djinn slouching Nine Ethereal gods Eight manna cookies Seven Wordbound of Belial Six thousand potatoes Five Forces of Legion! Four reliquaries Three demons of Sloth Two pissed off Superiors And a host of Jordi in a pear tree! Josh (With thanks to SD for starting me on this particular path to damnation by bad humor. And Kim, it's only sick if you visua-.... ::shudder:: Euuuuww... point.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:35:30 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... > >And him not being anywhere near his "brother" Haagenti during the final >battle is a given. Hard to laugh at the misfortune of others when it's >happening to you too, now isn't it? ;:;) > Oh, aye. I'd have to say that the one bit I didn't like about Redneck Gaijan's Dark Victory was the Haagenti as Jaws scene when Kobal spontaneously redeemed during the Apocalypse. Though, that would explain the lack of much laughter in the sencario. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Superior Coffee (Warning. The Non-Canon light is on.) And yet you forgot... "Well, Sam, they get the flavor out of the bean this way... (Litheroy) "One cream, one sugar. As hot as you can make it. [pause] And put a lid on it. (Zadkiel) "Decaf. That other stuff will stunt your growth." (Christopher) "Black! And make it scalding, baby!" (Furfur) ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... - --- Josh Moger wrote: > Oh, aye. I'd have to say that the one bit I didn't > like about Redneck > Gaijan's Dark Victory was the Haagenti as Jaws scene > when Kobal > spontaneously redeemed during the Apocalypse. > Though, that would explain > the lack of much laughter in the sencario. And here I thought it was brilliant, Haagenti figuring out how to prove his loyalty AND give his beloved brother a fighting chance at survival in one masterful stroke. You see, in my imagination, Haagenti has many stomachs and gizzards, connected by a non-Euclidean tangle of intestines. Some of the stomachs are more entropic than others, and a few are actually livable. There's a thriving lost city of swallowed celestials in the largest hospitable stomach, scavenging through Haagenti's partly digested meals for useful materials. Over the years, he's eaten plenty of both angels and demons, including 2 DPs. If he doesn't take the time to thoroughly masticate, some of them will still be alive when they hit the first stomach. Now he's swallowed a superior-level angel... Things are getting interesting. Picture this: * A city of terrible towers striving to rise above the sea of bile, always doomed to failure. Yet the inhabitants keep building with each new influx of raw material, trying to create the illusion of the Hell they left behind. * Haagenti's REAL "Internal Security" forces, carefully manipulating the power politics to ensure that none of the "Kill Haagenti to escape" plots succeed. * The End Of The Line: The stomach that no-one has ever returned from. Some say that it's Haagenti's real stomach, where he does his entropic digesting. Others claim that it's the gateway to Mariel's stronghold. Only one way to find out. * You Are What You Eat: What if it's true? So far, Haagenti's victims have mostly been demons. But what if Kobal has gathered himself a coterie of swallowed angels and is working to Redeem Haagenti from the inside out, one demon at a time? Comments welcome. Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:04:05 +1000 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:Large Shield > Large Shield > Corporeal Artifact/1 > Unbreakable +5 There would be a *lot* of these, and similar things (eg Amizarias' Breastplate, from The Tether of The Last Unicorn) simply because they've always been useful. Consider the references to spears going through shields, in the Iliad; or the Roman Pilum, which was designed to stick in shields; and of course, being Unbreakable they're going to stay around. The upgraded version, of course, is a Talisman with Dodge or Acrobatics, to help you get the shield into position. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:21:20 +1000 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:Coffee [chortle] - well done. I had an Angel of Coffee & a Demon of Caffeine in my first campaign; on one occasion they both turned up, and while the PC's tried to hide, the two reminisced about the last Demon of Decaf they'd double teamed. > ::blink:: "So what you're telling me... is that coffee is made from coffee > beans. But how do they squeeze the coffee out of the beans?"- Saminga > "We kill them, my Lord Saminga. Coffee! If you have to much you want to kill people! If somehow you're stopped from having to much, you want to kill people! Everybody should have coffee!" Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:35:07 +1000 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: killing Tethers >> Marc buys up the shops on either side of the Alley, gets approval to build a > [snip] >> Infernal tether dies - phut. > > And Fleurity hands the ball to Mammon! With Nybbas blocking he's going for > the end zone! > > Ooh, better yet! Fleurity builds a GNC, an Eckerd's Drugs, one of those diet > clinics that sells diet drugs... And so, children, does everyone know understand why the War's been going for 22,000 years and no end in sight? Returning (reluctantly) to the original topic: Laurence has to use the *best* weapon for the job. The Novalines would have to prove that they were at least equally competent before Laurence would send them in, rather than Traders or Stonies. Sure it's wasteful of Heaven's resources. Did you think that Baal's contempt was completely without basis? P.S. Hands? *sells, sells, sells* Not for a lot, of course - Mammon doesn't give value, and it *is* dying. > > Oh wait, it was a tether to Fear. Maybe it would move on with the junkies. It's possible; more likely with the muggers/rapists. Usually, the Mobile Feature of Tethers is discovered the hard way... > I have the strength of ten because my Heart is intact. [snicker] Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:59:48 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... > >Comments welcome. > >Jennifer > Friggin brilliant. Loved the idea of "You are what you eat." Would fit with Haagenti eating Mariel. Hmm... redeem Mariel... Which makes me wonder- what word did Meserach have before his Fall? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 23:24:49 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Re: killing Tethers >>> Marc buys up the shops on either side of the Alley, gets approval to >>>build a >> [snip] >>> Infernal tether dies - phut. >> >> And Fleurity hands the ball to Mammon! With Nybbas blocking he's going for >> the end zone! >> >> Ooh, better yet! Fleurity builds a GNC, an Eckerd's Drugs, one of those diet >> clinics that sells diet drugs... >And so, children, does everyone know understand why the War's been going for >22,000 years and no end in sight? Yeah, tactic and countertactic(although a tangential discussion on Tether attack and defense is itself an interesting topic). As you point out, the original thesis was Flowerchildrens' usefulness, or lack thereof, in the War, especially according to Laurencian view. >Returning (reluctantly) to the original topic: Laurence has to use the >*best* weapon for the job. The Novalines would have to prove that they were >at least equally competent before Laurence would send them in, rather than >Traders or Stonies. Think about the effect on humans. It's hard for someone to see why they should be afraid of an alley when there's a commune of hippies that have moved into the building on one side that just seems to *exude* peace and contentment. In fact, there's this air about them that seems to make it hard to even think about such a terrible act.... But Flowers isn't all Seraphim, of course. How about this: the bums that have been moving in recently seem like nice guys -- they're quiet, they don't smell too bad, and quite inconveniently (if one happens to be a rapist, that is) there always seems to be at least one lazing around in the alley. (Yeah, an angel *moves into* a demonic Tether. Who's going to have the easiest time not freaking out and breaking something or challenging the Seneschal? I'd lay my money on someone utterly devoted to pacifism.) The Tether is sustained by fears of rape. Rape is an act of violence. Angels who are experts at preventing violence, lessening its effects, and removing it as a component from the community at large would make the best Tether-attack team. If I were canon Novalis, that's the argument I would make in Council when requesting the job. >Cheers, James. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:03:52 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> My brain hurts... On 08.05.2002 5:27 PM, "Josh Moger" wrote: > > >> >> >>> Josh >>> (You know the Basement browsing ability for Warehouse 32? How every item >>> starts with "You open a box at random to find..."? Wouldn't an IN version >>> work if you just substituted for the above: "Haagenti is split open to >>> show..." >> >> ~/o "On the first day of Christ-mas, I found in Haa-gen-ti/A host of Jordi > in a pear tree!" o/~ >> >> { "..."} >> > Shouldn't have... but ye did. I'm really trying to get some essence from > Dark Humor today... > > > On the last battlefield, they found in Haagenti... > Twelve sorcerers scheming > Eleven Calabim swearing > Ten Djinn slouching > Nine Ethereal gods > Eight manna cookies > Seven Wordbound of Belial > Six thousand potatoes > > Five Forces of Legion! > > Four reliquaries > Three demons of Sloth > Two pissed off Superiors > And a host of Jordi in a pear tree! > > > Josh > (With thanks to SD for starting me on this particular path to damnation by > bad humor. And Kim, it's only sick if you visua-.... ::shudder:: Euuuuww... > point.) > Heheheheheehehe. :) Speaking of which, I downloaded Bad, Bad Leroy Brown on a lark and now need to draw a very pissed-off Shedite sitting in a booth with a scheming Calabite. Hehehe. - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm Friend of the TATA Box! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:46:19 -0700 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: IN> The Cage This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_3cb1.09de.7bf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warning: This is probably best suited to a silly campaign. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- It was elegant, really. As the Mercurian put the finishing touches on his latest invention, he smiled over to his lover, who was polishing the invention on her end. She formed many answering smiles on her glimmering blue form. That reassured him, gave him the courage he would need to carry out the next phase of his plan. The two knew it was risky, but if it worked, they could change the very course of the War in Heaven's favor, and that was what was important, after all. The touch of his love on his shoulders, in the form of a sparrow's claws kneading his shoulders, made him turn. "You'll do fine, Zimran." Shiloh's voice was soft as always, coming from multiple mouths. "I couldn't have done it without you Shi. Your knowledge of the ways of Hell will let us deal them one massive blow and undermine the fiends greatly!" Zimran's face, tanned and framed by blonde-hair in stereotypical surfer style, was enthusiastic as always. Shiloh blushed a deep pink, some of her eyes sad. Zimran quickly took the roseate Kyriotate into his arms. "Oh hon. I know that remembering your days as a Corruptor is painful for you, but really, this will make up for all the evil you used to do." The Domination nodded once and embraced him, then pushed him away. "Now go. You have Lilim to round up." He nodded. "Right!" He bounded off, taking their precious invention with him in a burst of Essence and the ripples of a Song of Celestial Motion. Shiloh smiled and whispered "Good luck, love." - ---------------------------------------------------------- The Cage is a rather simple looking device to the untrained eye. It stands about 6 feet by 6 feet and is formed of solid steel, with a catch on the bottom that enables the device to swing outward and scoop something in, then slam shut about them. There is a one foot by one foot window of transparent black glass set in the top of the Cage for observation. In contrast to its' appearance, the Cage was designed for a far grander purpose. Its' co-creators, Zimran and Shiloh of Flowers, believe that individual redemptions, while good in and of themselves, will never win the War. Their Master Plan calls for a mass Redemption, the likes of which have never been seen in history. The Plan goes like this: First, the duo capture as many Lilim as possible and turn them over to Redemption squads. Second: Lilith shows up, pissed off over the capture and Redemption of so many of her Daughters. Third: either the Kyriotate or the Mercurian drops the Cage on Lilith, which Shiloh will possess with the Kyriotate of Lightning attunement (convienently garnered from her days in service to Lightning after her own Redemption from the clutches of Dark Humor). That moment of being trapped will, they presume, inflict Dissonance on the Princess of Freedom. That's when Zimran will invoke Novalis while Shiloh holds Lilith in the cage. Presumably, all will go well and Lilith will be Redeemed. With her Redemption, all Lilim will Redeem simutaneously and deliver a major blow to Hell. Naturally, the two consider this a brilliant plan, and neither has bothered to consult with Novalis or anyone else on this. They don't want to spoil the plan by letting too many fingers into the pie. Neither has considered the reasons *why* Novalis hasn't let Zimran go to Earth on his own, or why Kobal was always setting up Shiloh as the butt of jokes. They're angels, but that doesn't mean they're bright. PC's might be asked to help capture Lilim to lure out Lilith, or to hold the cage to inflict as much dissonance on Lilith as possible. - --------------------- Zimran Mercurian of Flowers Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 1 Precision: 7 Celestial Forces: 4 Will: 9 Perception: 3 Songs: Motion (Celestial)/5, Shields (all)/4, Healing (Corporeal, Celestial)/3, Harmony (Ethereal/5), Charm (Ethereal/3) Attunements: Mercurian of Flowers, Seraph of Flowers Currently looks like a 5'10" blond-haired, skinny caucasian boy in his late teens, complete with acne, a golden halo, and wings. Shiloh Kyriotate of Flowers Corporeal Forces: 1 Strength: 2 Agilty: 2 Ethereal Forces: 1 Intelligence: 2 Precision: 2 Celestial Forces: 7 Will: 12 Perception: 12 Songs: Location (Corporeal/4), Healing (all/4), Harmony (Ethereal/6), Shields (Celestial/5) Attunements: Kyriotate of Flowers, Kyriotate of Lightning Both are very friendly, very naive, and very deeply in love with each other. They feel they complete each other, and tend towards melodramatic (read here: sappy) displays of affection for each other. Both would fight to the death for each other. Zimran currently has no vessel, since his last one, a surfer dude in California, got trashed by a Djinn of Dark Humor looking for Shiloh, hoping for bonus points with Kobal by bringing him an ex-servitor. - ----__JNP_000_3cb1.09de.7bf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warning: This is probably best suited to a silly=20 campaign. --------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =20 It was elegant, really. As the Mercurian put the finishing touches on his = latest=20 invention, he smiled over to his lover, who was polishing the invention on = her=20 end. She formed many answering smiles on her glimmering blue form. That=20 reassured him, gave him the courage he would need to carry out the next = phase of=20 his plan. The two knew it was risky, but if it worked, they could change = the=20 very course of the War in Heaven's favor, and that was what was important, = after=20 all. The touch of his love on his shoulders, in the form of a sparrow's = claws=20 kneading his shoulders, made him=20 turn. "You'll do=20 fine, Zimran." Shiloh's voice was soft as always, coming from = multiple=20 mouths. "I couldn't= have=20 done it without you Shi. Your knowledge of the ways of Hell will let us = deal=20 them one massive blow and undermine the fiends greatly!" Zimran's face, = tanned=20 and framed by blonde-hair in stereotypical surfer style, was enthusiastic = as=20 always. Shiloh = blushed a=20 deep pink, some of her eyes sad. Zimran quickly took the roseate Kyriotate = into=20 his arms. "Oh hon. = I=20 know that remembering your days as a Corruptor is painful for you, but = really,=20 this will make up for all the evil you used to=20 do." The Domination= =20 nodded once and embraced him, then pushed him away. "Now go. You have Lilim= to=20 round up." He = nodded.=20 "Right!" He bounded off, taking their precious invention with him in a = burst of=20 Essence and the ripples of a Song of Celestial=20 Motion. Shiloh = smiled=20 and whispered "Good luck,=20 love." ---------------------------------------------------------- &= nbsp; =20 The Cage is a rather simple looking device to the untrained eye. It stands = about=20 6 feet by 6 feet and is formed of solid steel, with a catch on the bottom = that=20 enables the device to swing outward and scoop something in, then slam shut = about=20 them. There is a one foot by one foot window of transparent black glass set= in=20 the top of the Cage for=20 observation. In = contrast=20 to its' appearance, the Cage was designed for a far grander purpose. Its'=20 co-creators, Zimran and Shiloh of Flowers, believe that individual = redemptions,=20 while good in and of themselves, will never win the War. Their Master Plan = calls=20 for a mass Redemption, the likes of which have never been seen in=20 history. The Plan = goes=20 like this: First, the duo capture as many Lilim as possible and turn them = over=20 to Redemption squads. Second: Lilith shows up, pissed off over the capture = and=20 Redemption of so many of her Daughters. Third: either the Kyriotate or the= =20 Mercurian drops the Cage on Lilith, which Shiloh will possess with the = Kyriotate=20 of Lightning attunement (convienently garnered from her days in service to= =20 Lightning after her own Redemption from the clutches of Dark Humor). That = moment=20 of being trapped will, they presume, inflict Dissonance on the Princess of= =20 Freedom. That's when Zimran will invoke Novalis while Shiloh holds Lilith = in the=20 cage. Presumably, all will go well and Lilith will be Redeemed. With her=20 Redemption, all Lilim will Redeem simutaneously and deliver a major blow to= =20 Hell. Naturally, = the two=20 consider this a brilliant plan, and neither has bothered to consult with = Novalis=20 or anyone else on this. They don't want to spoil the plan by letting too = many=20 fingers into the pie. Neither has considered the reasons *why* Novalis hasn= 't=20 let Zimran go to Earth on his own, or why Kobal was always setting up = Shiloh as=20 the butt of jokes. They're angels, but that doesn't mean they're bright. PC= 's=20 might be asked to help capture Lilim to lure out Lilith, or to hold the = cage to=20 inflict as much dissonance on Lilith as=20 possible. --------------------- Zimran Mercurian of=20 Flowers Corporeal Forces:=20 3 Strength:=20 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces:= =20 2 Intelligence:=20 1 Precision: 7 Celestial Forces:=20 4 Will:=20 9 &= nbsp; =20 Perception: 3 Songs: Motion (Celestial)/5, Shields (all)/4, = Healing=20 (Corporeal, Celestial)/3, Harmony (Ethereal/5), Charm=20 (Ethereal/3) Attunements: Mercurian of Flowers, Seraph of=20 Flowers Currently looks like a 5'10" blond-haired, skinny = caucasian=20 boy in his late teens, complete with acne, a golden halo, and=20 wings. Shiloh Kyriotate of Flowers Corporeal=20 Forces: 1 Strength:=20 2 Agilty: 2 Ethereal Forces:=20 1 Intelligence:=20 2 Precision: 2 Celestial Forces:=20 7 Will:=20 12 &= nbsp; =20 Perception: 12 Songs: Location (Corporeal/4), Healing (all/4),= =20 Harmony (Ethereal/6), Shields (Celestial/5) Attunements: Kyriotate of=20 Flowers, Kyriotate of Lightning Both are very friendly, very= =20 naive, and very deeply in love with each other. They feel they complete = each=20 other, and tend towards melodramatic (read here: sappy) displays of = affection=20 for each other. Both would fight to the death for each other. Zimran = currently=20 has no vessel, since his last one, a surfer dude in California, got trashed= by a=20 Djinn of Dark Humor looking for Shiloh, hoping for bonus points with Kobal = by=20 bringing him an ex-servitor. - ----__JNP_000_3cb1.09de.7bf9-- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 01:19:28 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> A Sequel... - -----Original Message----- From: Prodigal [mailto:res0axj6@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:25 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> A Sequel... > The demons were coming to her apartment with the express purpose of plotting > against heaven in the assumption that they would be safe while doing so, and > to inflict terror on both the seraph and the soldier under her care. Your entire debate with me sums up to "You didn't know what I planned." Sorry, I didn't read your mind. Excuse me for not being telepathic. My point remains; if the Swordie did not consult with the Seraph, he has no idea if she is forced, under duress, or has some plan of her own. And far too often I have seen War faction PCs resort to exactly these sorts of tactics without thinking, and thus causing more harm than good. While you may feel that Novalis prefers everyone treat her servitors as imbeciles who constantly need saving from their own plans, I don't seem to think she likes it very much. And, to make it clear that I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I do not say this was your intent. I say that the actions you portrayed, being a Swordie told to watch over a Flower Childe without her knowledge and interfering in something that he does not have complete understanding of, to my mind is something that shows how little trust Laurence has for Novalis, and how little faith your Swordie had in the Seraph. Everything else in my last message, the possible redemption issues, the possible hellish human servants, were suppositions off the theme that was presented. Just as your sniper scene, along with the Seraph drugging the demons, and all the other permutations of the scene were. There could be many, many, many reasons for a Seraph of Flowers to attempt to ensnare demons by use of the "no fighting in my presence" power whose name I forget and I'm too tired to search for. Just as there were propositions as to how the Seraph planned to counter the Djinn and how the Djinn planned to counter the Seraph. I did not find anything that I felt strongly about with the other scenarios, but the sniper one struck a chord with me, because it seemed to show a great deal of contempt for Novalis. If this was not what you intended, I am sorry for not fully understanding. As far as Will Shackles, Force Catchers and other means of containing demons goes, just how many centuries were you planning on holding the demons and where is Heaven's jail at? DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 02:48:57 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> A Sequel... Its a cold war. Compromise of your Role and your position means, essentially, death. IF you ignore how dangerous it is to be vessel - killed - blowing off the very real badness of trauma, and that most DPs will just eat you rather then send you back to screw up another operation (see failure charts), then, wow, yeah vessel Killing IS pointless. but if you look at it as a cold war, vessels and roles as incredible outsources, and Hell actually being a Bad Place... "Maybe Seraph KNEW that by showing herself to be willing to face a house full of demons and remain calm and assured in their presence would lead one of the demons to redemption. And by redeeming one, she would have a line on possibly redeeming them all. Maybe not, but maybe so" That's a heck of a TRUTH. that's kinda more a future sense then a (even level six) seraph check, isn't it? And, if the Seraph isn't reporting War actions to Laurence - such as a redemption campaign - then the Swordies can't very well plan around it, can they? That's why the Sword has clear lines of communication and clear levels of command. That Novalis and her angels can't get with the program is just one of many issues Laurence has with her and hers. On the other hand, mad props to the author of the laurence NPCs from the Servitor book. > > As far as Will Shackles, Force Catchers and other means of containing demons > goes, just how many centuries were you planning on holding the demons and > where is Heaven's jail at? > Hell. > DS1 > > Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 02:42:43 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> A Sequel... >> >> As far as Will Shackles, Force Catchers and other means of containing >demons >> goes, just how many centuries were you planning on holding the demons and >> where is Heaven's jail at? >> > > Hell. > As flippant or snappy as that answer may be, it makes a bit of twisted logic. Anyone want to develop that for a low contrast or backwards campaign? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 05:10:17 -0700 From: Gregg Forge Subject: Re: IN> Dueling Sequels >In case anyone wants an all-in-one reference, here are the pairs. When I >write A/B, I mean that A is hostile to B; I'll make note of which are the >mutuals just after the main list. They are alphabetized by the >originator, alphabetized by recipient within those. > >Blandine/David >Blandine/Jean >Blandine/Marc >Blandine/Michael >David/Marc Considering that David sees Novalis as just shy of useless, I'd think he'd include her, too... >Dominic/Eli And Dominic/Janus should be mentioned...on top of Dominic/Gabriel, and given the way he seems to see Gabriel, in general, it indicates a thought process not quite so becoming of the holder of the Word of Judgement. >Gabriel/Dominic >Janus/Litheroy >Janus/Laurence >Jean/Jordi >Jean/Litheroy >Jean/Michael >Jean/Novalis >Jordi/Marc >Jordi/Michael >Khalid/Dominic WHAT?!?!? No Khalid-Laurence? (he may have more respect, now that he's back in the 'fold', but there's still that issue on what extent Laurence tends to Non-Christian Tethers like Angkor Wat, let alone the patronage of Christianity in general!) >Laurence/Eli >Laurence/Novalis >Michael/Dominic >Michael/Novalis >Michael/Yves >Novalis/David > > >Although this is totally beyond the canon statistics given above, here's >one more tidbit. I have personally written up scenarios combining >Servitors of: >Blandine and Jean; >Gabriel and Dominic; >David and Marc; and >Laurence and Novalis. > >And I fully intend to fill out the list above. I *like* repairing >relationships. O:^) Tthis doesn't I'm calling dibs, of course, just >that >I intend to do it. Doubtless I'd enjoy reading your versions as well. >:^) Given some of the clarifications given in the Superiors books, there's a LOT of hostility that is either not quite as acknowledged as the 'allegiences' chart shows, or is being entirely too downplayed. Normally, I'm loathe to want to behold something like this, but I really, REALLY could go for some Superiors, Springer-style...PARTICULARLY Eli and Dominic. Then again, I think Dominic is LONG overdue for a putting in place...or a trial of his own... Kamika-Z, plotting... ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2629 ********************************