in_nomine-digest Saturday, May 11 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2633 In this digest: RE: IN> A Sequel... RE: IN> A Sequel... IN> A Sequel... IN> A Sequel... IN> Living Fossils IN> Violence in RPGs IN> The Demon Conservation League IN> Heaven's Jail (Re: A Sequel...) IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... Re: IN> Violence in RPGs Re: IN> Heaven's Jail (Re: A Sequel...) RE: IN> Novaline Location.. Feild of Lilies RE: IN> A Sequel... Apologies Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... RE: IN> A Sequel... Re: IN> A Sequel... Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... RE: IN> A Sequel... Re: IN> Heaven's Jail (Re: A Sequel...) IN> Sudden, odd thought.. Re: IN> Oh, you'd be wanting URLs? Re: IN> Oh, you'd be wanting URLs? Re: IN> Etiquette (Re: A Sequel...) Re: IN> Sudden, odd thought.. Re: IN> Violence in RPGs (was IN> A Sequel...) RE: IN> Novaline Location.. Feild of Lilies Re: IN> Novaline Location.. Feild of Lilies RE: IN> Novaline Location.. Feild of Lilies IN> Behold, ye mortals, and weep! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:43:23 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> A Sequel... - -----Original Message----- From: Patrick None [mailto:deadairis@hotmail.com] As far as your arguement *immediatly* below, it applies just as easily in reverse. If Novalis is irratated that the War faction - the faction that God has to a large degree personally appointed (War, and promoting Laurence not Novalis) - is interferring in her plans, then shouldn't she put her Word to the side and put Heaven first? Ie, tell Laurence? ** ** ** ** ** Sure, she should. I expect she does. It is in her nature to be supportive and sharing. But that isn't what we were discussing in the debate at hand. The example under discussion in my every statement has been the one where a sniper in service to Laurence FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WE ARE GIVEN TO KNOW ABOUT splatters a demon in the presence of a Seraph working for Novalis. THIS HAS BEEN THE ONLY EXAMPLE OF WHICH I HAVE BEEN IN DISAGREEMENT WITH AND I HAVE SAID IT SEVERAL TIMES. What I find appaling is the idea that Novalis would not be upset if her servants and their plans were consistantly treated in this fashion. Why those in debate counter to me continually attributes what I say to the entirety of Heaven escapes me when I have in nearly every message restated that I could see occasions where brutal/violent/aggressive/active/nonpeaceable solutions are required. But the example which I found fault with is the one where the sniper, without the benefit of knowing what is going on, kills the Djinn. In further discussion, the author of that sequence has stated that maybe the sniper knew more. If this is so, it was not evident in the first example given. This has been what I have been debating from the "con" position all week. So again, if the ONLY way Laurence treats Novalis and her servitors is in the fashion so displayed by the sniper killing the Djinn without knowing what is going on, then I am against it and I do not see any reason why such unthinking tactics have any chance of bringing success to Heaven in the War. And as of yet, I have not seen any reason given to support the notion that Novalis and her people are only of use as bait. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:49:54 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> A Sequel... - -----Original Message----- From: Patrick None [mailto:deadairis@hotmail.com] More likely, her feelings were tossed aside. The Sword and Flowers, fundamentally, have things they *can't* agree on - and stay true to their Words and Angelic nature. Patrick ** ** ** I guess we are at a similar impasse. I completely disagree with your unflinching and unthinking portrayal of Laurence. That he would never consider how best to use the tools, being the other AA's, at his disposal is wasteful, pig-headed, and in many ways such a losing manner of "promoting" his word that I am without the means to express it any longer. And excuse me for not having bought all the supplements that are out there, but the quotes attributed to David and Michael, as well as others, in the write up of Laurence in the "Revelations" series of supplements clearly indicates that they have issues with how Laurence runs things, but are willing to wait for him to learn from his mistakes. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:06:26 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> A Sequel... >From: "Patrick None" >The Swords on Earth >are usually less "secret agents" - in my mind - and more commando forces, >designed to get the information necessary to slow demonic operations as much >as possible. Ah, I see now. I've always thought of Michael's as the commandos and Special Forces, while regarding Lawrence's as the "men on the ground." But this still doesn't answer the Big problem: The War has been going for a very long time and Hell doesn't seem to be running low on demons. "Soul Kill all you want, we'll make more." - Nybbas paraphrasing an old Doritos ad. "We can make them better than they were. Better, stronger, faster." - Vapula I can't think of a clever tagline, BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:06:26 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> A Sequel... >If Novalis is irratated that the War faction - the faction that God >has to a large degree personally appointed (War, and promoting Laurence not >Novalis) - is interferring in her plans, then shouldn't she put her Word to >the side and put Heaven first? Ie, tell Laurence? Put her Word to the side and put Heaven first... David Byrne was wrong. Things do happen in Heaven. Snipers and land mines and brown-paper-packages-tied-up-with-string... (Wow, I'm such a smart ass today. must be friday) Did you remember to Spell Check today? BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:06:23 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Living Fossils >From: "Cthulhu" >Dalm >Balseraph of Gluttony >The high-ups replacement >realised that in order to assuage his Princes ire, they would need to make >sure that as few species as possible became extinct, so that when the roar >"Bring me a platter of !" went up, they wouldn't have to explain >why that particular item wasn't available today, or indeed ever, o most >Dread and Magnificent Prince. Makes me think of a little weirdness I've been working on. It was suggested in an earlier post that a Celestial who held (or served?) the Word of Dinosaurs hid in Limbo, then returned with the body of a Tyranosaur. Perhaps something similar to this, or a Remnant, with the Celestial Song of Fruition is responsible for the Celocanths. And why stop there? The oceans are said to be 90% unexplored. What was the name of that giant shark? Megalo-whatchamacallit? Jordi might take an interest in that. Or perhaps Nightmares. Which gives me an idea on an oblique way of destroying the Infernal Tether of The Last Unicorn. "Think, think, think, think, think, think, think." -Winnie the Pooh BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:06:27 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Violence in RPGs >I have to disagree. So does the Mirriam-Webster dictionary, for that matter: > >Restrain: > >1 a : to prevent from doing, exhibiting, or expressing something the child from jumping> b : to limit, restrict , or keep under control to restrain your anger> I'll refer you to Zadkiel, Archangel of Protection. >2 : to moderate or limit the force, effect, development, or full exercise of > Self Control? Political Action? I still don't see anything about smack-down. >3 : to deprive of liberty; especially : to place under arrest or restraint (Let's not drag Lilith into this.) True, none of these definitions mention violence. Which means they don't rule it out, either. >>>No, it would be termed an "arrest." And it is possible for someone to be >>>arrested nonviolently. >> >> Being arrested nonviolently is called surrendering of your own free will. > >No, it's being arrested without any violence taking place. Mmmkay... How you gonna pull that off? And I don't mean using the Legal definition violence. It was once perfectly legal to beat your wife and kids. What I'm trying to get a cross is: Just because its legal or (in the case of the Djinn) the right thing to do doesn't mean it isn't violent. Whee! I'm a Rules Lawyer! BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:06:27 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Demon Conservation League >their PC won't be destroyed or shipped to the >Lake of Blood for one vessel killing, but all that cool stuff you were >working on is screwed in your absence, and people are on the lookout for >your type of behavior. Demons, the ultimate repeat offenders. "I have the strength of ten because my Heart is intact." -Pete Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:06:27 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Heaven's Jail (Re: A Sequel...) >From: Elizabeth McCoy >At 1:19 AM -0400 5/9/02, Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: >>As far as Will Shackles, Force Catchers and other means of containing demons >>goes, just how many centuries were you planning on holding the demons and >>where is Heaven's jail at? >The cells beneath Notre Dame, probably. Ummm... You keep demons in a Tether? (Not having L.Cast or L.Reliq) How do you shield them from the Light of Heaven? Sincerely, BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:08:39 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... Aram-Ir Balseraph of the War Demon of Nazis Forces: Corporeal: 5 Strength: 9 Dexterity: 11 Ethereal: 4 Intelligence: 10 Precision: 6 Celestial: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Attunements/distinctions: Balseraph of The War; Impudite of The War; Art of combat; Knight of the Black Order; Captain of the Infernal Armies. Skills: Dodge/3; Driving/2; Emote/2; Fighting/2; Knowledge (Nazi beliefs)/2; Knowledge (Nazi history)/1; German/3; English/3; Ranged Weapon (rifle)/3; Ranged Weapon (pistol)/3; Ranged Weapon (Artillery); Small Weapon/2; Survival/1; Tactics/3; Throwing/2 Songs: Battle All/2; Charm All/3; Direction Eth/3 Cel/3; Empathy Eth/2 Cel/2; Nimbus Eth/3; Opening Eth/3; Self Eth/3; Tongues All/2; War Eth/2 Cel/2 Rites: -Kill an adversary (2 essence) -Enter into a duel with a Servitor of Michael -Inspire a crowd to violence aimed at Jews and other minorities (self-developped rite; offered to servitors) Vessel: Human Male (Aryan) Vessel/3 Role: White Supremacist Leader level-4 Servants: Numerous 4-force Human Neo-Nazi thugs. When encountered on Earth, Aram-Ir will always have a white male vessel, preferably with blond hair, blue eyes and aryan features. He will be wearing clothing appropriate for his surroundings. In Hell, Aram-Ir prefers a form that mixes the tail and wings of his natural balseraphic form with the upperbody and head of whatever Vessel he's currently using, dressed in the uniform of a Nazi military officer, with infernally-inspired decorations. Some Words are just meant for Hell. And Aram-Ir has taken to his word with the dedication only a Self-Deluding Fanatic can muster. Aram-Ir, who's name means "Magnificent Vision" (or "Cursed Vision", depending on who's translating) isn't a very old Servitor of the War. He's actually only 300 years old, and has only been in active service for about half that time. His age shouldn't be used as a measure of either his skill or his drive, however, as he's successfully risen to prominence within Baal's organisation within this short time, earning a word over 60 years ago. A Word which, much as Aram-Ir's ambiguous name can hint at, is both a blessing and a curse to the Balseraph. Baal originally assigned Aram-Ir to operate in the german regins of Europe during the Napoleonic era, assigning him to "political unrest" duties, such as stimulating public outcry against Napoleon's armies, stimulating a rise in military activity in the region. Aram-Ir took to his duties with obediance and enthusiasm, and took to using patriotism and nationalism to inspire german crowds to take up arms against Napoleon's forces. And, as with all good Serpents, started to believe his own lies. Soon enough, Aram-Ir considered Germany (and it's fellow nations of Prussia and Austria-Hungary) to be his second homeland, and began settling in a bit. He maintained his duties by volonteering for activities in the nearby Balkans during the wars with the Ottoman Empire, insuring an extension to the bloody battles in that region. Later on, Aram-Ir volonteered to return to Germany at the start of World War 1, to serve as a captain in the German army, leading his troops to kill for the glory of "The Fatherland". His activities were just one move in a very complex chessgame Baal was playing with the Great War, however: Baal had agents on all sides of the conflict, both Germans and Allies, and had seriously planned on using this war to prepare Earth for Armageddon. Not that Aram-Ir cared. As far as he was concerned, Baal had assigned him to help fight to protect Germany from the hostile forces of the rest of western Europe. Which is why Germany's defeat at the end of the War really got to him. In his opinion, Ally victory could only have been achieved by Heaven's forces intervening with the war. The defeat of his "glorious germany" shattered his personal delusions, causing a bit of dissonance as his german countrymen lost their patriotism... Aram-Ir spent the next few years back in Hell, handling the drilling of new Damned Soul recruits of germanic origins, until he worked out the dissonance and requested another assignment in Germany. And so he went to help stir up some civil unrest during a political rally for the National Socialist Party... and met Adolph Hitler. ...Actually, he'd met the orator a few years before, when both were in the german army during WW1. But at the time, Adolph was little more then a common corporal. Now, Hitler was spouting the famous propaganda that would become the philosophy of the Nazi movement. ...And Aram-Ir just fell in love with the ideas Hitler spoke of. National Pride, Aryan superiority, Anti-Semitism... all those concepts rang true in the balseraph's ears, when filtered through his celestial experiences: Germany was truly the greatest nation on Earth, true... but Hell was the serpant's true Homeland, and definetly greater then any land in the Symphony. If Aryans were greater then other humans, this made them -nearly- the equals of Demons, truly the greatest beings in existance. And is the Jews WERE God's chosen people, as they claimed... that made them the enemies of Hell, didn't it? And so Aram-Ir became a National-Socialist, volonteering to assist the nazis in performing civil unrest to destablize Europe and help the nazis take power. Aram-Ir explained himself during his de-briefing by ensuring Baal that he saw great potential in the Nazis to further Hell's cause, and wished for a chance to further this plan. Baal, after conferring with Kronos and Lucifer, agreed and assigned the serpant to give Hell's support to the nazis. Aram-Ir actually went above and beyond the call of duty during this time... Now, while it would be comforting to human minds to believe that Hell's influence was behind the atrocities of the Third Reich, the truth is that Aram-Ir (and the other demons who began working with him on this project) had little influence on the Nazis and their agenda. Like hyenas drawn to a lion's feast, the demons simply saw a good opportunity and ran with it. Aram-Ir, having been the first to see the uses of the Nazis for Hell, was promoted by Baal and assigned to coordinate demonic activity within the Reich. Soon, Aram-Ir saw himself a Captain of the Infernal Armies, with a retinue of low-level Servitors, Hellsworn and even a few Sorcerors. Demons of The Game manipulated the Gestapo at his request; Servitors of Infernal Fire and Technology insured the german warmachine would produce superior weaponry and use it effectively. Soon, almost all of Europe fell under Nazi rule, and Lucifer himself awared Aram-Ir with the word of Nazis, rewarding the Balseraph for his brilliant initiative in attaching Hell's cause to the Nazi banner. Aram-Ir was certain that the rest of the world would be crushed under the Third Reich, leaving the Earth ripe for Hell's forces to unveil themselves and claim their rightful place as the TRUE master race. And then the unthinkable happened: The Allies defeated the Nazis. Once again, Aram-Ir suffered the pain of his Band dissonance as his glorious Reich was claimed inch by inch by both American, British and Russian forces. Once more, the Serpant saw Heaven's interference, and beieved that God himself somehow intervenied against the Nazis' glorious rise to power. Unfortunetly, Aram-Ir had little time to resolve his dissonance this time, as the sudden fall of his Word forced him to quickly insure the survival of the Nazi forces, even if only as fragments of their former glory. He commanded Martin Bormann (Hitler's right-hand man and one of Aram-Ir's own major Hellsworn) to organise the "Odessa" to insure the survival of as much of the Nazi forces as they could insure: Spymaster Reinhard Gehlen's espionnage network was reworked as the ORG, a secret organisation of spies and assassins; Otto Skorzeny organised the "ratlines" to relocate important nazis (most of which were roles, hellsworn and potential hellsworn) to locations in south america, the middle east and asia. Finally, with the (expensive) aid of Mammon's bankers, the Third Reich's assests were relocated and laundered through front companies. With his beloved Nazis thus secure, Aram-Ir did what any other self-respecting Balseraph of War would do, and stood his ground to fight to the death. He was finally killed by a russian sniper bullet and spent the next few years in Trauma, curled up in his private Bunker, resembling Hitler's own bunker on Earth. For any other demon, this would be where the story ends. Not so for Aram-Ir, who's drive and Word urged him to arise. He, like the Nazi party he loved so much, would not simply roll over and die. Like the phoenix arising from it's ashes, he would rassemble the pieces of Odessa and build a new, glorious Fourth Reich. Only this time, HE, not a weak human politician, would inspire and lead this movement. He called on old Demonic contacts, brought lost Hellsworn back into the fold, and shifted his approach from the political to the secretive and revolutionary, and began using his influence amongst former nazis to assume control of numerous neo-nazi, neo-fascist, white-supremacy and even anti-Isrealite movements world-wide. It has taken him many decades, and numerous false starts, but soon, Aram-Ir hopes to organise the rag-tag White Supremacy militias he's been gathering, and lead them to rise up and forge a new, Fourth Reich. He's nothing, if not determined. Now, as many might wonder... why does Baal keep this guy around? For many reasons: #1, Aram-Ir is absolutly loyal to Baal, The War and Hell, in that order. This is vitally important to Baal, who considers loyalty more important then skill. Sure, Aram-Ir's obsessed with Nazi philosophy and iconography, but that quirk merely inspires him in his work, rather then distracts hin from his duties. #2, Aram-Ir has a popular gathering of loyal Hellsworn and Sorcerors on Earth, and Damned Souls and Demons in Hell, all of which have turned to Aram-Ir as their new "Furher" in the wake of Hitler's death (his soul has apparantly been claimed by Kronos and hasn't been seen since, leaving Aram-Ir to take control of the movement.) This world-spanning organisation is a resource Baal likes having under a loyal thumb. #3, Aram-Ir, for all his "quirks", is good at what he does. Any demon who manages to rise from Gremlin to Wordbound in the span of 300 and not pose too much of a threat to his Prince, is just the kind of guy Baal wants to keep around. #4, Baal, while not a nazi himself, does have sympathies for Anti-semitism... After 3000, he's still got a bit of a grudge against the children of Israel for their defeat of his philistine worshippers. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:44:13 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... I can already see the Stoneys having a lottery to decide who gets to go after this one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:02:45 -0400 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... Rolland Therrien wrote: >Baal originally assigned Aram-Ir to operate in the german regins of >Europe during the Napoleonic era, assigning him to "political unrest" >duties, such as stimulating public outcry against Napoleon's armies, >stimulating a rise in military activity in the region. > "Go up there and make things harder for the guy who's reducing the power of the favorite human organization of the commander of God's armies, enshrining the postrevolutionary order in France, and overthrowing the traditional Catholic social order in the rest of Europe." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:04:34 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Violence in RPGs From: "BC Petery" > > > >1 a : to prevent from doing, exhibiting, or expressing something >the child from jumping> b : to limit, restrict , or keep under control >to restrain your anger> > > I'll refer you to Zadkiel, Archangel of Protection. That has nothing to do with the question. > >2 : to moderate or limit the force, effect, development, or full exercise of > > > > Self Control? Political Action? I still don't see anything about smack-down. The angels were moderating or limiting the force that the demons could bring to bear. > >3 : to deprive of liberty; especially : to place under arrest or restraint > > (Let's not drag Lilith into this.) True, none of these definitions mention > violence. Which means they don't rule it out, either. You're begging the question. > >> Being arrested nonviolently is called surrendering of your own free will. > > > >No, it's being arrested without any violence taking place. > > Mmmkay... How you gonna pull that off? By non-violently cuffing the demons in will shackles. > What I'm trying to get a cross is: Just because its legal or (in the case of > the Djinn) the right thing to do doesn't mean it isn't violent. And what I'm getting across is that your claiming that something is violent does not make it so. But unless your next reply (if any) convinces me that you are interested in anything other than splitting hairs, I'll stop responding to (or even reading) your replies to me on this thread. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:07:17 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Heaven's Jail (Re: A Sequel...) From: "BC Petery" > > Ummm... You keep demons in a Tether? (Not having L.Cast or L.Reliq) How do > you shield them from the Light of Heaven? They don't take damage from it unless they go celestial, do they? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:01:25 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Novaline Location.. Feild of Lilies - -----Original Message----- From: cassandra benner [mailto:casiopia@hotmail.com] She left a wreath of lilies by the headstone. A beacon for her child to find, if he ever wanted to come home. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Woah! This was beautiful. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:16:10 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> A Sequel... Apologies - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy [mailto:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] So, er, you are probably both right and can we please cool down now? I fail to see any new angles being brough to the discussion anymore. *** Ship e-mail is still coming in different order than it was sent, sorry for the responses already sent. Subject is dropped. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:16:49 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" > > >Baal originally assigned Aram-Ir to operate in the german regins of > >Europe during the Napoleonic era, assigning him to "political unrest" > >duties, such as stimulating public outcry against Napoleon's armies, > >stimulating a rise in military activity in the region. > > "Go up there and make things harder for the guy who's reducing the power > of the favorite human organization of the commander of God's armies, > enshrining the postrevolutionary order in France, and overthrowing the > traditional Catholic social order in the rest of Europe." I daresay that Hell favored Robespierre far more than they did Napoleon, so I can see them wanting to work against any changes that L'Empereur made to take French society away from the anti-all religious thought leanings of the Committee. I know that Saminga couldn't have been happy with Napoleon, given how common beheadings were during the Reign of Terror... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:04:57 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> A Sequel... - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy [mailto:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] The cells beneath Notre Dame, probably. *** Perfectly acceptable. Is the write up on a website, or a book I have to buy? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:46:44 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> A Sequel... > Ah, I see now. I've always thought of Michael's as the commandos and Special > Forces, while regarding Lawrence's as the "men on the ground." I'm sure Michael has 'em - regard his Saints - but they don't operate well within the organization of the Sword, simply because Michael and his are Champions - lone guns, leaders of men, and individual heros against the odds. Thematically:) Whereas, the grand majority of Laurences Angels are too honor bound to make effective "secret agents." > > But this still doesn't answer the Big problem: The War has been going for a > very long time and Hell doesn't seem to be running low on demons. Well, that's why its a Cold War, not a Heaven Victory, isn't it? I mean, that's a core concept to the game, isn't it? The point isn't about how many demons you kill, its how many humans you protect. Which is why the War faction takes out vessels and their associated Roles. > > I can't think of a clever tagline, > > BC Petery > http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ > Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:47:39 -0400 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... Prodigal wrote: >I daresay that Hell favored Robespierre far more than they did Napoleon, so >I can see them wanting to work against any changes that L'Empereur made to >take French society away from the anti-all religious thought leanings of the >Committee. > Sure. But *this* character wasn't sent to France on the side of more extreme revolutionaries; he was sent to Germany on the side of the anti-French resistance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:04:17 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> A Demon everyone will love to hate... From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" > > >I daresay that Hell favored Robespierre far more than they did Napoleon, so > >I can see them wanting to work against any changes that L'Empereur made to > >take French society away from the anti-all religious thought leanings of the > >Committee. > > Sure. But *this* character wasn't sent to France on the side of more > extreme revolutionaries; he was sent to Germany on the side of the > anti-French resistance. That could be justified as easily as Hell's wanting to spite Napoleon for reining in the abuses that were so rampant during the years that preceded him as anything else, however. If anybody knows how to act out of pure spite, a demon prince certainly does. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:32:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> A Sequel... At 1:04 PM -0400 5/10/02, Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Elizabeth McCoy [mailto:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] > >The cells beneath Notre Dame, probably. > > *** > >Perfectly acceptable. Is the write up on a website, or a book I have to >buy? It's something I did up on the list. Let me putter, and I'll send it to you... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:29:40 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Heaven's Jail (Re: A Sequel...) At 1:06 PM -0400 5/10/02, BC Petery wrote: >>From: Elizabeth McCoy > >>At 1:19 AM -0400 5/9/02, Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: > >>>As far as Will Shackles, Force Catchers and other means of containing demons >>>goes, just how many centuries were you planning on holding the demons and >>>where is Heaven's jail at? > >>The cells beneath Notre Dame, probably. > >Ummm... You keep demons in a Tether? (Not having L.Cast or L.Reliq) How do >you shield them from the Light of Heaven? If they're in a vessel, no problem. If Notre Dame _is_ powerful enough to frizzle demons even in vessels, then you clearly need to have some of the Archangels shield certain cells. Either that, or you give them a Song of Possession relic that feeds them into a Force Catcher (which _will_ protect demonic occupants from the Light of Heaven) and stuff the vacated vessel into a Body Bag. Heck, do the latter, and you can take them up to Heaven, to converse with trained Elohim and Mercurians about how they were abused as a demonling... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:48:18 EDT From: HunterKillerIX@aol.com Subject: IN> Sudden, odd thought.. - --part1_17b.81336e1.2a0d9a22_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there an Angel/Demon of Popcorn? ... Popcorn can be a powerful Word, you know. Everyone I know eats it, and eats a *lot* of it.. Movie theaters, mostly. Which brings me to, if this individual were, say, a demon, would they be servitors of Haagenti (food angle) Or Nybbas? (theater!) Though it wouldn't be too far-fetched for an angel to be awarded the Word, since most people can agree that popcorn is a *very* good thing, and doesnt' really have any bad connotations attatched to it... - -tara - --part1_17b.81336e1.2a0d9a22_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there an Angel/Demon of Popcorn? ... Popcorn can be a powerful Word, you know. Everyone I know eats it, and eats a *lot* of it.. Movie theaters, mostly. Which brings me to, if this individual were, say, a demon, would they be servitors of Haagenti (food angle) Or Nybbas? (theater!) Though it wouldn't be too far-fetched for an angel to be awarded the Word, since most people can agree that popcorn is a *very* good thing, and doesnt' really have any bad connotations attatched to it... -tara - --part1_17b.81336e1.2a0d9a22_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Oh, you'd be wanting URLs? - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > > --Maurice Lane, Vaguely Authoritarian Lead > Playtester > > It could have been worse. It could have been > Maurice Lane, Vaguely > Authoritarian Playtester Utilizing Lead Authority > (VAPULA for short) It is now. Maurice Lane, Vaguely Authoritarian Playtester Utilizing Lead Authority (and Faithful Lackey) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:41:15 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> Oh, you'd be wanting URLs? > It is now. > > Maurice Lane, Vaguely Authoritarian Playtester > Utilizing Lead Authority (and Faithful Lackey) > > > ===== Can i get the link again, pretty please? Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:42:17 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> Etiquette (Re: A Sequel...) > > You, now... You get a cookie. That's a nice one. > > > emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch Thanks! As always:) IMINC, the Malakite of Etiquette is Laurence's Seneschal, and a big wig. He just gets more and more important as the breadth and scope of Laurence's operations (and the War) expand. thanks again:) Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:55:34 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Sudden, odd thought.. > Is there an Angel/Demon of Popcorn? No clue. Why don't you tell us about them? -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:37:56 -0400 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> Violence in RPGs (was IN> A Sequel...) > > In that case, the gathering of demons would be a pointless failure anyway. > > The demons wouldn't be able to keep the seraph from summoning Novalis before > > they could take a single action. > > Of course they wouldn't. Would /anyone/ here claim there's a nonviolent > way of stopping Rose from summoning Novalis? Point of order: Summoning a Superior takes two rounds (IN core book, p.109, p.157). The demons in question have a little time to work with in just about any situation, although not always a lot. First tactic: Use the Ethereal Song of Forbidding (Liber Canticorum, p.36) to forbid Rose from summoning any Superiors. It's not foolproof, as there's a Will roll to resist, and it's not permanent, lasting CD hours. Still, if it works, you've shut down that threat for a while. Second tactic: Your friendly neighborhood Balseraph says, "You don't want to summon a Superior", and voila! Rose doesn't want to summon her Superior. It takes 3 rounds to activate in a "combat situation" (IN core book p.142), there's a Will roll to resist (against which a Seraph gets a bonus), and the Balseraph first has to make his resonance roll... but if it works, he's in good shape. There are usually things that can be done, even if you can't be violent about handling the situation. Seems to me that's Novalis' point, too. - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 05:44:51 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: RE: IN> Novaline Location.. Feild of Lilies >From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" >>-----Original Message----- >>From: cassandra benner >> >>She left a wreath of lilies by the headstone. >>A beacon for her child to find, if he ever wanted to come home. >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Woah! This was beautiful. > >DS1 Thankyou. That one reply was worth me sending that in. My one contribution to the Novalis season. I was unsure if it was lost amid the retorts and near flambes that one of the topics devolved in to. So, who do you reckon it was that held her hand? ;) Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:29:28 -0400 From: "Patrick None" Subject: Re: IN> Novaline Location.. Feild of Lilies > > > Thankyou. > That one reply was worth me sending that in. > My one contribution to the Novalis season. > > I was unsure if it was lost amid the retorts and near flambes that one of > the topics devolved in to. > Sorry, i like to argue so much sometimes i forget the obvious: that was great, thanks. :) > So, who do you reckon it was that held her hand? > ;) > Cas > *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 12:29:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: RE: IN> Novaline Location.. Feild of Lilies On Sat, 11 May 2002, cassandra benner wrote: Thank you for this one. It was wonderful. This little story actually got me misty-eyed. Beautiful.... *sniff* > So, who do you reckon it was that held her hand? > ;) Strong, calloused hands... Hm. Sounds like a warrior or a worker. Or both... David? But the paint and clay... Maybe less warrior and more artist and artisan. Eli? Hm. Canon-wise it should probably be Eli. But... :) - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:45:02 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: IN> Behold, ye mortals, and weep! Pictures! Of which there will be more when I have the guts to confront Photoshop again. Chibi-Dominic: http://www.side7.com/cgi-bin/S7SDB/DisplayImg.pl?INO=140672 I'm not sure what to say about this one. It happened, sort of randomly. He's cute. (Tara's fault.) Me: http://www.side7.com/cgi-bin/S7SDB/DisplayImg.pl?INO=140380 The Angel of Random Enthusiasm! I decided I was a Seraph, if for no reason other than the fact I make a much cuter six-eyed serpent. (Also Tara's fault.) Kittysnake: http://www.side7.com/cgi-bin/S7SDB/DisplayImg.pl?INO=140685 This is, yes, Tara's fault as well, really. The puddle: http://www.side7.com/cgi-bin/S7SDB/DisplayImg.pl?INO=140654 This is actually a character I play. On a MUCK. No, he normally doesn't look like this. But...drawing puddles is surprisingly cathartic. And it has everything to do with IN, I swear! :D He's Michael's, er, hound. One of them, anyway. Novalis & Djinn: http://www.side7.com/cgi-bin/S7SDB/DisplayImg.pl?INO=140689 Yes, I know it's out of character for her, but the image came whole cloth and I thought it was cute. And...that's a very scrappy ladybug; I need to practice my insects more. - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2633 ********************************