in_nomine-digest Wednesday, May 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2649 In this digest: Re: IN> Lucifer's Word Re: IN> Lucifer's Word RE: IN> Minor Superior Relations RE: IN> Minor Superior Relations RE: IN> Minor Superior Relations Re: IN> Lucifer's Word IN> The Root of All Evil Re: IN> The Root of All Evil Re: IN> Lucifer's Word Re: IN> Laurence and the Brights... Re: IN> The Angel of Hate. Re: IN> Lucifer's Word IN> Seekers 1341 - Part 3 IN> Druiel, the Angel of Teenage Zits IN> Furfur in Hell IN> The Angel of Hate Re: IN> The Angel of Hate IN> Free Will & Lucifer's Word Re: IN> The Angel of Hate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:08:28 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Word >This leads to the posibility that Lucifer is still an Archangel serving >truth. This reminds me of an idea I had. I was going to write it up as a 'Consider X' snippit, but I'll summarize for now. Essentially...God gave humanity Free Will. Celestials have this too, though perhaps not to the degree humans do. However, free will is useless and pointless if there is nothing to exercise it over. (If there was no land outside the Garden, what point would Lilith's choice to leave be, since leaving would have been impossible?) The major thing Celestials have to exercise their free will with... is the choice between Heaven and Hell. So. God needs an 'alternative' for the angels. If there's only Heaven, they can't *choose*. But He needs someone to set up the alternative... and this is where Lucifer comes in. God talks to Lucifer and explains the whole 'free will' situation. He also explains what Hell will be like, what anyone that takes this job for him will have to do (spend millenia away from Heaven, lying, dealing with corruption and evil and darkness...), and that whoever takes the job will never be able to say anything about it, because that'd remove the whole *point*. Lucifer gets offered the choice, "Rule in Hell, or forget all this and stay in Heaven." Lucifer asks what God will do next if he says no. He gets the list of alternatives - at the top, Metatron and Michael. Lucifer says yes. I have vague ideas about the Word of Light being capable of blinding as well as illuminating, and Lucifer using *that* to persuade angels to his cause. Another vague idea involves 'bleedoff' after soul-death, especially that of a Superior - so when Lucifer kills Metatron, some of the Voice gets bound into *his* Forces, giving him the greater link to the Divine that he needs to stay sane. He throws the fight against Michael, of course, and goes to work setting up Hell. Lucifer has never Fallen. He has never become dissonant, or Discordant. He is still the Archangel of Light - but everybody assumes he is the Balseraph Prince of Lies, or Darkness, or what-have-you. He just hasn't gotten around to enlightening them yet. Oh, and remember that little chat God and Kobal had? Guess what will happen if Kobal ever figures out *this* ironic prank. ~S.D. Ryukage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "He cast down his most beautiful angel. He had no choice. Yet I do not think He ever, even for a moment, stopped loving the fallen." The Pope, 'magical troubleshooting crossover fighting federation ULTRA' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:04:21 +0200 (Central Europe Daylight Time) From: David Sanda Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Word Indeed, this is the way it really was. > >This leads to the posibility that Lucifer is still an Archangel serving > >truth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:26:52 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Minor Superior Relations At 11:53 AM -0700 5/21/02, Arovyn wrote: >On Tue, 21 May 2002 13:49:22 -0400 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > came out about that very issue. *Looks down* Sorry about that one. I just have an odd take on "minor" Superiors. I just can't see Heaven or Hell looking on them as "Minor." Younger, Useful, or Tools would be a moniker I could see being used. Personally, I prefer the term, "Younger Superiors," of which Laurence is the youngest on Heaven's side, and Furfur on Hell's. Tough. The term is "Minor." Call them what you will in your own games! O:> (*beth smiles wryly through a horrible headache*) >Correct me if I'm wrong, but if, in canon, Laurence is the youngest Archangel, Game Master's Guide... Laurence, created in 50 B.C. 325 A.D.: Litheroy becomes Archangel of Revelation 331 A.D.: Laurence becomes Angel of the Sword 400 A.D.: Haagenti created. 745 A.D.: Laurence becomes Archangel. 750 A.D.: Khalid becomes Archangel. 793 A.D.: Valefor appears on the scene. 900 A.D.: Kronos is first seen as Prince of Fate 1008 A.D.: Legion is crowned and killed. 1009 A.D.: Haagenti gets Word, Princedom shortly after. 1212 A.D.: Christopher becomes Angel of Children. 1771 A.D.: Vapula elevated to Prince. 1800 A.D.: Somewhere around here, Alaemon becomes the 2nd Prince of Secrets. 1884 A.D.: Nybbas becomes Prince. 1978 A.D.: Christopher becomes Archangel 1986 A.D.: Fleurity becomes Prince. >I'm well aware that the "minors" are add-ons designed to be added and removed >at the whim of the GM, but I could just as easily remove Novalis or anyone else >just as easily. Maybe it's just me, but they seem to the short end of the >stick. Minors are those whose scope is not as wide as the Majors. For whatever reason, such as lack of Servitors or disintrest in the corporeal realm, they aren't likely to pull much weight. >---*sigh* I kinda figured. I know that I'll own the EPG either way, though. But >speaking of setting up shop, is there a canon answer as to where Furfur set up >in Hell? Yes, and it's stated in _Heaven & Hell_. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:33:47 -0700 From: Arovyn Subject: RE: IN> Minor Superior Relations On Tue, 21 May 2002 16:26:52 -0400 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: At 11:53 AM -0700 5/21/02, Arovyn wrote: >On Tue, 21 May 2002 13:49:22 -0400 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > came out about that very issue. *Looks down* Sorry about that one. I just have an odd take on "minor" Superiors. I just can't see Heaven or Hell looking on them as "Minor." Younger, Useful, or Tools would be a moniker I could see being used. Personally, I prefer the term, "Younger Superiors," of which Laurence is the youngest on Heaven's side, and Furfur on Hell's. Tough. The term is "Minor." Call them what you will in your own games! O:> (*beth smiles wryly through a horrible headache*) - ---Long day? 8-) >Correct me if I'm wrong, but if, in canon, Laurence is the youngest Archangel, Game Master's Guide... Laurence, created in 50 B.C. 325 A.D.: Litheroy becomes Archangel of Revelation 331 A.D.: Laurence becomes Angel of the Sword 400 A.D.: Haagenti created. 745 A.D.: Laurence becomes Archangel. 750 A.D.: Khalid becomes Archangel. 793 A.D.: Valefor appears on the scene. 900 A.D.: Kronos is first seen as Prince of Fate 1008 A.D.: Legion is crowned and killed. 1009 A.D.: Haagenti gets Word, Princedom shortly after. 1212 A.D.: Christopher becomes Angel of Children. 1771 A.D.: Vapula elevated to Prince. 1800 A.D.: Somewhere around here, Alaemon becomes the 2nd Prince of Secrets. 1884 A.D.: Nybbas becomes Prince. 1978 A.D.: Christopher becomes Archangel 1986 A.D.: Fleurity becomes Prince. - ---Okay. I was a bit off. >I'm well aware that the "minors" are add-ons designed to be added and removed at the whim of the GM, but I could just as easily remove Novalis or anyone else just as easily. Maybe it's just me, but they seem to the short end of the stick. Minors are those whose scope is not as wide as the Majors. For whatever reason, such as lack of Servitors or disintrest in the corporeal realm, they aren't likely to pull much weight. - ---I guess Khalid is no longer "minor" then. Not because he got an extended write-up larger than others, but because he's no longer sitting idly back. If I'm not mistaken, he's taken a very sudden, radical (by his servitor's standards) shift in the interpreation of his Word, and suddenly directed a whole lot of attention to Earth. Yes, and it's stated in _Heaven & Hell_. O:> - ---*sigh* I own all the books, and yet somehow I miss these little details. *rummages* They're falling apart too. I used these a LOT a couple years ago. *rummages more* Guess a review is in order. Thanks for the answers, btw. 8-) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:51:45 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Minor Superior Relations At 1:33 PM -0700 5/21/02, Arovyn wrote: >On Tue, 21 May 2002 16:26:52 -0400 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: [...] >>(*beth smiles wryly through a horrible headache*) >---Long day? 8-) Yup. >>Minors are those whose scope is not as wide as the Majors. For whatever >>reason, such as lack of Servitors or disintrest in the corporeal realm, >>they aren't likely to pull much weight. >---I guess Khalid is no longer "minor" then. Not because he got an extended >write-up larger than others, but because he's no longer sitting idly back. Yes and no -- IIRC, he has fewer Servitors than the others, and most of them are still in Islamic areas. (Similar geographical focus is part of why Fleurity is also a Minor.) Khalid is definitely likely to be fast- tracked to Major, depending on campaign, of course. But that is depending on campaign. O:> [...] >>Yes, and it's stated in _Heaven & Hell_. O:> >---*sigh* I own all the books, and yet somehow I miss these little details. >*rummages* They're falling apart too. I used these a LOT a couple years ago. >*rummages more* Guess a review is in order. Hey, they're still in print -- you can always buy new copies! O;> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:56:02 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Word >From: "S.D." >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Word >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:08:28 -0400 > >Oh, and remember that little chat God and Kobal had? Guess what will happen >if Kobal ever figures out *this* ironic prank. > My gawds. That just fueled my Wrongness Meter. Must...unleash... COUNTERTHEORY!!! Kobal DOESN'T know what's going on; he's only got one thing to work on, his single Special Purpose! God told Kobal that something was amiss in the workings of Heaven, and it was his mission to figure out what it is. Now that he's in Hell, he's not had it on the forefront of his mind...but every so often, something bugs him. Lucifer, being the source of that mystery, keeps Kobal close and special, so that he never suspects...and plots to, should Kobal ever get too close to figuring the mystery out, disband him posthaste... Or, in a twist of doubleirony... Kobal knows EXACTLY what's going on. His secret project is to prevent anyone from finding out. He holds Lucifer's favor because, quite frankly, he could spoil the project by throwing the works. This also explains WHY Kobal is so bored; he knows the secret, and the Game has grown stale to him... Kamika-Z, rubbing his hands with glee... > ~S.D. Ryukage >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"He cast down his most beautiful angel. He had no choice. Yet I do not >think He ever, even for a moment, stopped loving the fallen." >The Pope, 'magical troubleshooting crossover fighting federation ULTRA' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: IN> The Root of All Evil So, the recent discussion on Lilith and Lucy, especially the whole timing issue and dualistic properties of In Nomine, got me to thinking. Lilith was the first intelligently selfish creature in existance. She used her free will to intentionally frustrate God's aim. Lucifier led the Rebellion only four hundred years later (give or take a minor amount). Theory: Lilith and Lucy kept in touch after the Eden experiment's failure and she corrupted /him/. Meaning that the ENTIRE WAR is not just about humanity, but humanity's own damn fault! Sidenote- Lilith choosing to walk away from God's Plan kinda refutes the idea that Lucifier needed to Fall (or not Fall but still lead a Rebelion) to illustrate a second choice. I think he learned something from Humanity during his chats with Lilith- that not only the 'dirt ape' humans could do as they wished, but even the divinly created could. And, by extension... Also, I can just imagine Lilith explaining doublethink in just such a way as to break the Seraph of Light's head... :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:48:02 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> The Root of All Evil >Sidenote- Lilith choosing to walk away from God's Plan >kinda refutes the idea that Lucifier needed to Fall >(or not Fall but still lead a Rebelion) to illustrate >a second choice. Oh, no, that 'second choice' (at least the one I came up with) wasn't for *humanity* - though it certainly helped. It was for *angels*. ~S.D. Ryukage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 05:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Word - --- Ryan M Roth wrote: > Myself, I've always like the word of Darkness for > Lucifer Me, too, and for the same reasons that you state. > Another is that several of the first born angels (Yves, > Micheal, Eli, > Uriel, Lucifer) always had the ability to grant Words, > and still do, and > just don't advertise it (Micheal's saving his secret > word-bound for a special occasion). This is an attractive option, but... > Another possibility ( I rather like this one ) is that > Lucifer CAN'T grant > words at all. Every time a demon gets a word from > Lucifer, Lucifer (in > his own way) is actually requesting that God grant the > word, like the > Seraphim Council does. [snip] Lucifer asked God for his > word after the Fall, and > has to ask God for every word he grants. How galling, > then, would it be > for Lucifer to always have to ask for God's help in > waging war on Heaven? > How disasterous would it be for him if the other demons > found out where > their Words were coming from? How upseting would it be > to Heaven if the truth came out? ...this is way better. I like the way you think. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:38:15 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence and the Brights... > In IN canon, Lucifer is Mike's kid brother. O:> (Which does, alas, > rule out the address of "Eldest, Fairest, and Fallen -- Greeting and > Defiance." Pity.) Amend it to "Eldest and Fairest _of the_ Fallen", and it works just fine. ;) For those folks interested in a slightly different cosmology, might I suggest http://www.the8thvirtue.org:81/in-nomine/vo4/firstfive.html ? - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:57:50 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Hate. W S wrote: > > --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > > > As opposed to say, the Angel of Teenage Suicides. > > > > You mean the Angel of Teenage Death? Druiel's > > original focus was on > > teaching teenagers about how precious life is and > > ended up being more > > concerned with killing them. In my own campaign > > setting, Christopher's > > angels would have been pushing Laurence's out of the > > way to Soul Kill > > him. > > *blinkblink* Er... am I misremembering, or did Druiel > undergo a Word change when I wasn't looking? But, > that's a minor tanget-y thing. Neither. One of the books (Fall of the Malakim?) had a passing reference to him as the Angel of Teenage Suicide, which was inaccurate and erratad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:00:24 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Word From: "S.D." > > Lucifer has never Fallen. He has never become dissonant, or Discordant. > He is still the Archangel of Light - but everybody assumes he is the > Balseraph Prince of Lies, or Darkness, or what-have-you. That gives rise to interesting possibilities about the Lower Hells. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 04:25:04 +0000 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Seekers 1341 - Part 3 (Author's Note - this segment of Seekers 1341 is dedicated to the memory of Nora Crowley, a fan of my writing and a good and devoted friend, who passed from this world to the next on Thursday, May 16. If there is a place somewhat analygous to Yves's Library in the place she now resides, may she find this piece to her liking, and may she have even more fun in that world than she did in this one.) - -------------------------- Florelis was used to having new faces in her club every night, but it was somewhat uncommon to have a couple walk into a strip club and specifically request a virtually unknown girl who didn't advertise. The Balseraph watched from her position in the DJ booth, surveying the situation and wondering whether the newcomers were a couple of vice cops, or simply a couple of kinks new to the area. As she watched the activity become more lascivious, she turned her attention to the Djinn beside her. "Business is almost done for the night, TJ. Another hour and we'll have the humans out. What is the tab looking like for the back rooms tonight?" The DJ sniffed indifferently, his nose wrinkling at the scent of perfume as one of the human dancers passed by. "Only eight customers. I've reviewed the tapes, and I didn't notice anyone that should really spark our interest. That Creationer Mujadai came back again, trying to talk Gloria out of 'this lifestyle', but I don't think he knows that we replaced his pet human with her. She's got him hooked good. Few more weeks and she'll own him." He narrowed his eyes slightly. "Ofanim are stupid. He'll never catch on." The Seneschal nodded. "Quite right. I think we want to keep him from falling for now, though. Soak him for information, of course, but we'll leave him alive. He'll be a good plant so long as he doesn't get all ethical on us." She motioned slightly towards the hidden camera monitor that was recording one of the back tables. "What do you make of the couple? Not sure I like the read I'm getting off of them. Cops, you think?" Tahzjik focused the camera slightly, then frowned. "No... not cops. But they're not here for the show." As the Balseraph leaned forward, the Djinn pointed at the young woman who was gazing intently at the dancer in her lap. As she watched, she realized what he was talking about - every time the dancer looked away, the woman's eyes darted away quickly to survey the area, snapping from point to point quickly and then retraining on the dancer before her attention returned to her and her companion. The man was doing the same thing, happily and cheerfully watching the two women writhing against each other until both of their attention was squarely focused on each other. Florelis chewed her lip uncomfortably. "No. No, those aren't cops. Possibly a group of dealers waiting for a contact. Trying to not be bothered. Makes a bit of sense, although it's odd they'd choose -" She stopped as her eyes narrowed in on a small bulge underneath the man's shoulder. She drew in a quick breath, hissing slightly as she noticed the faintly perceptible glow of an item of power beneath the man's jacket. "Those aren't dealers. Look at the jacket. That's an artifact." She motioned another one of the dancers over, while kneeling down and pulling off her jacket and unbuttoning her shirt. "Stephanie, I need you to do something for me. I'm going to go work for the floor. I want you to go into the back with these clothes and get dressed quickly. Once I'm out on the floor, you stay up here with TJ and keep an eye on the place. Got that?" The brunette nodded, quickly slipping into the skirt and grabbing the shirt off the floor. "Got it, Rose. Should I call for the... extra security in the back?" The strip club manager shook her head no as she pulled her hair out of its ponytail and fluffed it quickly. "No, not yet. Over on camera nine there's two people with Sheri - TJ and I are betting that they're agents from another crime family. I'm just going to see what they want, and get them out of here. Everything should be fine, but I'll expect you to hit the panic button while TJ comes to help me if there are any problems." She ruffled her hair one last time, and then reached over to a counter and swallowed a gulp of whiskey from a bottle secreted there, then splashed a few drops on her face and upper chest while rearranging her bra. "How do I look?" The Djinn looked her over once more, then turned back to the cd players. "If you just slip into that scaly bob-and-duck routine you do so well, you should pass for slightly tipsy. Looks good to me, boss. Go get 'em." As the manager now turned dancer slipped down the back way to the stage, the brunette dancer leaned forward as she slipped the shirt onto her shoulders. "Another family's in here? Aw, damn. Please tell me she's lying, TJ." The DJ just hunched down lower in the booth and concentrated on the screens in front of him. "Who knows, Steph? I don't even bother to ask these days..." - ------------------------ Florelis slowly moved up to the table where the two unknown celestials were watching Sheri finish her (soon to be) last dance of the night. As the song ended, the Balseraph tapped her lightly on the shoulder and whispered in her ear what she needed to know - that TJ needed to talk to her about something important. As the dancer balked momentarily, Florelis reached out lightly with her resonance and re-explained it to the girl, who nodded and excused herself from the table. Gingerly sitting down in the chair that the dancer had been using, she began to work on the people before her. "I'm sorry about that - Sheri had to take care of something real quick. I'm Rose. Maybe there's something I could... do for you?" The man smiled and motioned to the chair that she had already taken. "Actually, there might be something you can do for me... Florelis."As the Balseraph's eyes widened, the man shook his head lightly. "Don't even think it. Put your hands on the table and wave your people off. This is a business meeting, not a shakedown." The man glanced down towards his hand and opened it slightly, revealing a remote control detonator with a plunger that was being pressed down by his thumb. "That is, unless you don't want to talk business." Florelis quickly folded her hands in front of her, franticly wondering if she could shield the Tether Locus and herself before an explosion took place. "Look, talking business is just fine by me. This place is here specifically for business. But that thing away - you really don't want to do anything rash." The Balseraph smiled sweetly at the two people before her, trying to turn on the charm that her coworkers sometimes displayed. Reaching out with her mind, she leaned forward and whispered. "You really want to turn that bomb o -OWWW!" She recoiled in pain as the young woman beside her target reached out and flicked the Seneschal's breast. "Bitch! What the hell was that -" The blond woman cocked her head slightly. "You're wrong. We're Malakim. We very much want to do something rash, and we very much do not want to turn off the bombs. That's _bombs_, as in plural. Do you think we brought just one? Now, you really want to bet you can do a mind job on us before one or the other of us can twitch? Do you?" The Balseraph shook her head slowly, her eyes narrow and her voice angry. "Think of all the humans you'll kill. You halos don't work that way. You don't kill civilians." She blinked when the female smiled in a way that Florelis normally associated with Shedim about to drive their host to Hell with their next act. "Most of these people are headed to Hell anyway. We can get away with expediting it, so long as we send you and your cohorts with them. But you're not the ones that we're after. You help us get the people we're after, and we can both agree to let you and yours off the hook. For a while, anyway." The man leaned forward and looked around conspiratorially. "You see, you have a problem. You have a few contacts in the local Game Tether that are trying to shake you down. Common knowledge, really - they do it to everybody. But you can't take them down, since they're game. Cibarak, Holsten, Maffraghon - between the three of them, they've got you in a bind. Bwtween the money they take, and the girls that Cibarak and Maffragron abuse, it's got to be a problem keeping this place afloat." Florelis nodded warily. "It's... an inconvenience. But we manage to make ends meet, though I doubt the two of you are really concerned with out wellbeing." The man nodded. "Oh, we're not. Make no mistake, we do fully intend to kill all of you people. But our oaths don't have a time limit, and although my partner can be a bit overzealous about things, Lust does the least direct damge to the mortals. You aren't really the biggest of our problems, so we can let you all be, so long as we can do some damage to people that are bigger problems." The Seneschal's eyes lit up momentarily. "Like the Game." The woman nodded. "Exactly. Now, you're not the only people that those three have screwed, and there are quite a few people that would love to see the Game brought down a peg or two locally. Now, the boys down at Ellington did a nice job on getting your predecessor, but they haven't done a thing to mess with the Tower. Sword is afraid to take them on with the limited resources they have, just like you and everyone else in town. But if you help us, we can do a serious hit on the place and make sure it gets traced back to someone who the Tower can't lash out at." Florelis shook her head violently. "No way. Nobody's that stupid that they'd take the hit. Only people that could have a chance of not getting smoked by Asmodeus himself would be -" She paused in midsentence as she locked her eyes on each of the two confident and self-assured people before her, then smiled wickedly. "Judgment. Oh, this is rich..." The two strangers looked at each other and smiled. "Our partner is outside waiting for us. Now, here's the deal. We know from our surveillance that in addition to the money the take monthly, Cibarak and Maffraghon require their payments to be brought by one of your prostitutes. Now, Maffraghon is picky about his people. We can't pull anything past him. But Cibarak likes young, shapely brunettes. And it just so happens that fits the description of one of our coworkers." The man reached into his coat and pulled out a dossier folder. "It's incomplete of course, but it should have all the relevant information you would need. She used to work as a prostitute before we found her, and she has some experience in dealing with Calabite predilictions." The serpent's eyes flicked across the pictures and the brief bio. "Ok, so I send her with the money and let him do whatever he wants with her. If she kills him, it comes back to me. You've got to have a better plan than that." The man nodded. "We've got a way to attune to him without him knowing. All we need you for is to get us close enough to mark him. After that, we'll handle him in our way. Believe me, there won't be any way of mistaking it. In addition, we're willing to reimburse you for the payment you make to them. Call it a measure of good faith." Florelis half-cocked an eyebrow. "Ok. We can do that. Have her pick up the money four nights from now. I'll put this in my records tonight, and have her listed as on parole to explain why no one's seen her. Everything will be set by Friday night. Just make sure you keep our names out of it, all right?" "Done. Remember, if you doublecross us, we'll be back." - ------------------------------------ As the two people drove away from the club, both of them reached forward and pulled a loose film off of their faces, revealing two very different sets of features. Kari looked over at Sergei, who was slumped back into the passenger seat. "You doing ok, Sergei?" Sergei was silent for a moment before speaking. "Yeah, just hate having to deal with Lusties when I don't have to. I know that your plan will work, but I still don't have to like it. You're sure there's no other way?" Kari shrugged. "I've done worse." She chuckled softly, patting her partner's leg. "You should have seen the look on the face of that Djinn when I told him that I wanted him to attune to that vial of spermicide. Thought he was going to die laughing, but he did agree with me that if I stay with him and give him the rest of the vial, he can track Cibarak until he remembers to shower and clean it off. I'm betting we'll have about a day to catch him." Sergei nodded. "All right. I've hired three more renegade Djinn to keep tabs on where Cibarak's main targets are, and I've got GPS tracking signals set on both his car and his motorcycle. Between those and the Djinn, we should be able to keep tabs on him pretty well. Anything else we have to do before we set this in motion?" Kari shook her head. "Not that I'm aware of. But try calling Erica and set up a meeting with the local Grigori so we can check them out and see who needs help. But as far as the rest goes, we wait." She paused for a moment, then rubbed her temples and muttered unintelligibly. "Tell you what, Sergei - - if it's all the same to you, I'm going to drop you off at Avino and then I'm going to go drive for a bit... clear my head." "No problem, babe. Off to get in touch with your inner Ofanite, eh?" "Something like that." (to be continued) Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:32:30 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Druiel, the Angel of Teenage Zits Druiel is refered to as both "the Angel of Teenage Death" and "the Angel of Teenage Suicide." This is a mistake. In the online errata it is corrected, stating clearly that Druiel is the Angel of Teenage Death. "Hey! You're mean!" -Squeakers, Reliever of Flowers "Yeah. But I'm cute, so I get away with it." -MacNorma (Free Lilim) Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:32:30 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Furfur in Hell >is there a canon answer as to where Furfur set up in Hell? I suspect Shal-Mari, >but there seems to be enough room in Abaddon or Perdition, but a great site for >his Word would be Tartarus... R3, "Heaven & Hell," states that he has a "dance club" called The Brimstone Club in Shal-Mari. (even has its own sub-heading) Help! I'm typing and I can't logoff! BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:32:26 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Angel of Hate >The main problem is that Hatred as a general word is considered a >Bad Thing (tm). _Today_ Hatred is considered a bad thing. Back when Whatshisname recieved his Word it was the Old Testament, the days of tribalisim. Hatred of enemies was seen as a good thing. Killing the enemies of your tribe/family and long running feuds were the order of the day. It wasn't until the advent of Christianity and its "Love Thy Neighbor" message that hatred became a sort of pariah emotion. It may be this (relativly) new enlightenment that is causing The Angel of Hate so much trouble. Not so much from dissonance, but from the slow death of his Word. Once he was a War Chief, now he is a cheerleader for terrorists. Indeed, most of the people who _now_ Hate (capital H) are the petty, venal sort who would be better suited to life as Shedim that as humans. "One man's angst is another man's pathos." -Pete Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:07:05 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Hate BC Petery wrote: > _Today_ Hatred is considered a bad thing. Back when Whatshisname recieved > his Word it was the Old Testament, the days of tribalisim. Hatred of enemies > was seen as a good thing. Killing the enemies of your tribe/family and long > running feuds were the order of the day. > > It wasn't until the advent of Christianity and its "Love Thy Neighbor" > message that hatred became a sort of pariah emotion. It may be this > (relativly) new enlightenment that is causing The Angel of Hate so much > trouble. Not so much from dissonance, but from the slow death of his Word. You're assuming that angelic attitudes changed as human attitudes did. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:20:49 +0100 From: DAMIEN MCGURRELL Subject: IN> Free Will & Lucifer's Word >Essentially...God gave humanity Free Will. Celestials have this too, though >perhaps not to the degree humans do. However, free will is useless and pointless >if there is nothing to exercise it over. (If there was no land outside the >Garden, what point would Lilith's choice to leave be, since leaving would have >been impossible?) The major thing Celestials have to exercise their free will >with... is the choice between Heaven and Hell. I don't know I don't like to let players comfortable with the fact that they or humanity have free will. The way I look at it, Fate and destiny aside (which are a plan given to celestials by God or the universe, take your pick), Celestials are much more concerned with the fact that they have no free will. Having proof of god and his interventions, means to them, that god can make the laws of nature do what he wants at any time. They see the major acts God takes and can't help get nervous that he takes so many little subtle acts that dictate their actions. Most humans just are less uneasy because all they have is faith in God, not the knowledge he can manipulate your thinking, make up down on a whim. My thinking is that the only comfortable celestials are those resigned they are tools (eg. habbalah, quite a few angels) and those that have deluded themselves in to thinking that god is just a myth and some light shows (eg. some balseraphs). Loki (from the kevin smith film Dogma) represents the later most of the time, BARTLEBY to LOKI "Here's what I don't get about you: you know for a fact that there is a God. You've been in his presence, he's talked to you personally. And yet I just heard you claim to be an atheist." Yours, Damien http://www.sleepinggod.dot.nu " It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them! " --Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Hate > > You're assuming that angelic attitudes changed as > human attitudes did. Well, since Word-shifts drastically influence how celestials on both sides of the War view their Words, that's not such an unreasonable assumption. See also: Mercurian Angel of Eugenics- whose word was granted before World War I (although not Cannon, he certainly seems like a good example on the same lines, with the Word-shift massively accelerated). Although I would argue that Hate has not become less powerful in recent years. Malphas does good, lasting work (a fact that probally gets under David's skin ;) The PERCEPTION of hatred, however, has shifted- from being a fairly neutral, or even a benefical force if properly channeled to a negative/shadow emotion that must be worked through and disliked, not used. IE, Hate has become a more inherently selfish Word- tearing the Malakite's nature in half (probally any other Angel would have Fallen by now). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! 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