in_nomine-digest Friday, May 24 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2652 In this digest: RE: IN> Words for Angels RE: IN> quick question RE: IN> Words for Angels RE: IN> Words for Angels RE: IN> Words for Angels Re: IN> quick question RE: IN> Words for Angels Re: IN> Words for Angels RE: IN> Words for Angels IN> Eugenics was RE: Words Re: IN> Words for Angels Re: IN> Words for Angels Re: IN> quick question Re: IN> Ssssshh!! Re: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words Re: IN> Ssssshh!! IN> Windys (Re: quick question) RE: IN> Words for Angels Fwd: Re: IN> Free Will & Lucifer's Word Re: IN> Ssssshh!! Re: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words IN> Game Operations Director -- G.O.D. Re: IN> Words for Angels Re: IN> Words for Angels RE: IN> Words for Angels RE: IN> Words for Angels Re: IN> Game Operations Director -- G.O.D. Re: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words Re: IN> Ssssshh!! Re: IN> Ssssshh!! Re: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words Re: IN> Words for Angels Re: IN> Furfur in Hell Re: IN> Game Operations Director -- G.O.D. Re: IN> Words for Angels Re: IN> quick question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 19:13:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels On Fri, 24 May 2002, Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: > Certainly any word (and not only English ones) could have a Celestial bound > to it, but should every word have one? I don't think so. Oh, but Words in this context are _angelic_ words. They then get translated to eartly languages. So the angelic (or celestial if you like) word that describes alll sorts of conflicts translates to 'war' in English, 'krig' in the scandinavian languages, 'guerra' in Spanish, etc. You don't get thousands of Archangels of War just because some idiots in Mesopotamia didn't know when to stop building that damn tower..:) - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:31:52 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> quick question >At 01:03 AM 5/24/02 +0000, EDG wrote: >>GURPS In nomine says that servitors of David have pacifism: self defence >>only. In contrast, other IN books and writings seem to imply that Stoners >>:-) can beat someone to death if the other person throws the first punch. >>I just wanted to check exactly what this dissonance condtion entails. Any >>answer would be great. >> As far as I'm aware, that's exactly what Pacifism: Self-Defense Only means >- they become dissonant if they start fighting before someone attacks them. > >I'm not exactly a GURPShead, so I may be wrong, but that's what the phrase >implies to me. >> >-----Original Message----- >From: William J. Keith [mailto:wjk150@email.psu.edu] >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:39 PM >The difference between the two is curious, and frankly I like the notion of >its being actual self-defense -- that is, that a Trog can't go on pounding >a demon on someone once the threat has been neutralized. The spirit of a >Dissonance Condition is what matters, and in the case of Stone there are >two motivating factors: one is David's Oath to keep faith, even in the >Fallen, until there is no choice, and the other the passive nature of >Stone's strength. I would totally agree with you if it were not for the harsh treatment David gives to Maximillion in the write up of LA. That David seems to me to be the kind that would just wait for a wimpy looking demon to slap him, and then pound him into deviled ham for it. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:41:19 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels - -----Original Message----- From: Unni Solaas [mailto:solas@pvv.org] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 1:14 PM To: 'in_nomine-l@lists.io.com' Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels On Fri, 24 May 2002, Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: > Certainly any word (and not only English ones) could have a Celestial bound > to it, but should every word have one? I don't think so. Oh, but Words in this context are _angelic_ words. They then get translated to eartly languages. So the angelic (or celestial if you like) word that describes alll sorts of conflicts translates to 'war' in English, 'krig' in the scandinavian languages, 'guerra' in Spanish, etc. You don't get thousands of Archangels of War just because some idiots in Mesopotamia didn't know when to stop building that damn tower..:) - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Solaas NOnonononono... Not at all my meaning. I meant should small and useless words, such as Kleenex, or what ever, have a Celestial assigned. The Canon answer, I am told, is no. I do not want to start a thread about using different languages for multiple holders of the same word. My comment about English is that there are some perfectly good words out there, which English requires two or three phrases to translate. I'm still working on the Demon of Chutzpah. Gotta be a Kobalite. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels - --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" wrote: > I'm still working on the Demon of Chutzpah. Gotta be a > Kobalite. LOL! I really want to see this one. And you're right, changing languages can give a whole new spin on Words, but it's the celestial concept that should be central (and that the actual Word is based on). That said, English certainly won't be the best language for translating some of them. Even when it works, colloquial English will be better than textbook English in some cases. For example, the Demon of Tough Guys doesn't sound nearly as impressive as the Demon of Badass Mofos... "Which Flaming Sword is yours?" "The one that says, 'Badass Motherf****er' on it." ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:57:54 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels >Nononononono... Not at all my meaning. I meant should small and useless >words, such as Kleenex, or what ever, have a Celestial assigned. The Canon >answer, I am told, is no. It depends, actually. I've seen some very good noncanon-but-could-be arguments for the value of minor words (Moe's Angel of Gummi Bears, for one...), and some *canon* usage of minor words - though mostly as Infernal punishments. (Stale Bong Water, Sup2:Kobal and the Demon of Pencil Shavings...) And, of course, celestials can try for *any* Word they want; it's just not certain if they'll *get* it. If a demon wants the Word of Kleenex and he has a good idea for using it to promote Hell (maybe promoting the really rough, irritating kind, or scented ones for people with allergies...), then yeah, it could happen. My concept of the whole thing is that there are no inherantly useless Words, only 'neutral' Words that don't get much attention from humanity and don't actively or obviously promote either side. Yet. ~S.D. Ryukage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "That's why we in Trade envy you in Wind. Your strict and efficient organization." Eddie, NPC Mercurian of Trade, to Alitis, PC Bright Lilim of the Wind, upon her realization that she has no idea who wanted something from her, 'Balseraphs Have More Fun' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:34:33 -0800 From: "Brian Rogers" Subject: Re: IN> quick question I'd allow it. For one thing, it makes it easier to integrate the Windy or Thief into a campaign. A Windy might have a Role as a traveling salesman, living in a certain town, but continually moving to the surrounding regions. Like a hurricane or tornado, constantly in motion around a central point. A Windy who is embroiled in a lengthy adventure in, say, Evansville, Indiana would start feeling the itch on the third day. "Guys! I gotta move!!" "Okay, see you in a while." So the Windy hops on his bike, drives up to Terre Haute and has a hot dog, sees the sights and zooms back to Evansville, It probably took several house, but the Windy feels refreshed and ready to face anything. Ideally, the Windy would be happiest cruising from city to city, but there's a war on and sometimes you have to make concessions. Just my 28,282.07 Turkish Liras. Brian > > I don't have the actual IN basic set, so that's > > exactly what I was checking. > > I was hoping someone could say what the official > > basic set or superiors 1 > > says about that dissonance condition. > > While I'm at it, servitors of Janus/Valefor > > have to go to another > > location every three days. Do they have to stay away > > from the place they > > came from for three days, or do they get to leave to > > another location, then > > immediately return to the place they spent three > > days at? > > I sorta doubt it. Were a Windy or a Thief try that in > one of my games, I'd give them dissonance- only Asmo's > boys should be able to try and legalize their way out > of violating the spirit of the condition. One thing > to note, however, is that in large metropolitin areas, > different chunks of the city will count as different > locations. - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels - --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" wrote: > My point was, does a word with as little impact on > society as Eugenics has > really deserve a full time Celestial supporting it? There's more to the Symphony than just society. Some of the most beneficial applications of eugenics in the modern world are the efforts to maintain viable gene pools among the endangered species. Preventing the extinction of entire species is certainly an important endeavor, at least to some. > Certainly any word (and not only English ones) could > have a Celestial bound > to it, but should every word have one? I don't > think so. Me neither. I just see Eugenics as having enough far-reaching consequences to merit an Angel. Of course, it might to more politic to translate the Word as "selective breeding", but I have a personal bias against letting perfectly good words fall into disuse just because they've been used by evil people. Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:44:39 -0400 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> Words for Angels S.D. wrote: >It depends, actually. I've seen some very good noncanon-but-could-be arguments for the value of minor words (Moe's Angel of Gummi Bears, for one...), and some *canon* usage of minor words - though mostly as Infernal punishments. (Stale Bong Water, Sup2:Kobal and the Demon of Pencil Shavings...) > >And, of course, celestials can try for *any* Word they want; it's just not certain if they'll *get* it. > > "Yes, I'm just a gremlin. But the Word of "Soaping Windows Around Halloween" isn't taken yet, Lord Belial, and it's the first step to proving I have what it takes to be the Demon of Celebratory Property Damage. And you know that Kobal would consider it beneath him to contest the Word, even though it chips at his power base. And I'm /really/ good at soaping windows. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:52:52 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Walton [mailto:thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com] And you're right, changing languages can give a whole new spin on Words, but it's the celestial concept that should be central (and that the actual Word is based on). That said, English certainly won't be the best language for translating some of them. Even when it works, colloquial English will be better than textbook English in some cases. For example, the Demon of Tough Guys doesn't sound nearly as impressive as the Demon of Badass Mofos... "Which Flaming Sword is yours?" "The one that says, 'Badass Motherf****er' on it." ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 Which could also be called the Demon of Machisimo. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 19:05:23 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words >Me neither. I just see Eugenics as having enough >far-reaching consequences to merit an Angel. Of >course, it might to more politic to translate the Word >as "selective breeding", Umm.. has no one mentioned yet that Novalis or Jean are the two AA's most likely to have thes word under them. Jean, ypu, nice n simple, dont have to explain that one do i. So, novalis? Seen the flowershow in england recently? Seen what mother nature does? Seen evolution? (no not the film, the event itself) Thats why Novalis already encompases this word. She just didnt see the need to mention it to anyone. Immgine the scene.. _________ The council chambers were still, the mercurian of Jean stood there, his archangel by his side, his case was well and truly argued. The Seraphim had in its ineffebale wisdom finally seen fit to grant to word of what would translate in to Eugenics in most human tongues. They sang out to the lord, asking him to bestow the word, Nothing. Once more, louder, with more joy in their hearts, they sang out. Silence responded them. Then a gentle cough from the corner of the room. Eyes turned to look at the cougher. Novalis. Michael rolled all his eyes, Jean stood impassive as an an iceberg, Jordi looked from his perch in the rafters, from his fish tank, and from his thousand other insect bodies. Then he spoke. Or rather, he laughed. ~Ah Mother nature.... yes, it was something to have been thought about. You and I embody that word. You cannot grant what is already granted can you~ Novalis reached an arm up, and Jordis owl body fly and landed on her wrist. Stroking its wings Novalis smiled and said. "Well, if Baraguel was to evolve... after all Evolution is just a facet of Eugenics isnt it. Do you think Baraguel woul merge with a force of yours and mine, to make him something bigger and better Lord of Flies?" _____________________ Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:09:12 -0400 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> Words for Angels Michael Walton wrote: > For example, the Demon of Tough Guys doesn't sound nearly >as impressive as the Demon of Badass Mofos... > > "Which Flaming Sword is yours?" > "The one that says, 'Badass Motherf****er' on it." > > Originally with the Role of Oedipus? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 19:16:09 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Words for Angels >Originally with the Role of Oedipus? EEEP!!! I think the Demon of "drink spilled on keyboards in the event of laughter"* put an icecube in my back.... Toodles Cas *in the sercive of Dark Humour & Vapula _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:02:03 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> quick question At 1:03 AM +0000 5/24/02, carson young wrote: >I'm just about to start my first game session of in nomine, and I wanted to >clear something up before I actually started. GURPS In nomine says that >servitors of David have pacifism: self defence only. In contrast, other IN >books and writings seem to imply that Stoners :-) can beat someone to death >if the other person throws the first punch. I just wanted to check exactly >what this dissonance condtion entails. Any answer would be great. Well, that's roughly what we figured Self-Defense Only tends to entail... Ah, the 'using only as much force' bit. Hm, that might have done better with more of the flavor-text... Basically, assume that if the attacker is non-human or Hellsworn, "as much force" includes pounding someone into the ground and further. O:> If the attacker is a stray mortal, then the Stonie gets to use discretion of whether to pound the sucker into the ground or just break a few arms. Does that help? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:50:44 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Ssssshh!! > I will introduce the idea in my next campaign with my players permission. If you're the GM, you don't need their permission.... - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words Actually, I could see Jordi as more likely than Novalis for having Evolution beneath him, although I'd be more likely to give Eugenics/Selective breeding to Jean and Natural Evolution to Jordi. Novalis isn't as old, and focuses much more on the societal, rather than the natural, outgrowth of her Word. Also, a quibble about your scene- a Word can be granted that falls under the perview of another Word. In fact, probally 99% of granted Words do. That's how the whole process of Word Promotion works, after all. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:10:04 -0700 From: Arovyn Subject: Re: IN> Ssssshh!! On Fri, 24 May 2002 16:50:44 -0400 Eric Bertish wrote: > I will introduce the idea in my next campaign with my players permission. If you're the GM, you don't need their permission.... - ---Tis always better to get the player's input. Ifr you force something on the players, they may get upset and leave and you won't be running anything. Arovyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:10:31 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Windys (Re: quick question) At 11:21 AM +0000 5/24/02, carson young wrote: > While I'm at it, servitors of Janus/Valefor have to go to another >location every three days. Do they have to stay away from the place they >came from for three days, or do they get to leave to another location, then >immediately return to the place they spent three days at? I'd generally rule that they have to spend at least a day away, or it doesn't count. O:> (And, really, they'd probably be pretty bored with the old place by then -- unless there's pressing business to take care of, or they're scoping the place out or something.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:18:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels At 1:57 PM -0400 5/24/02, S.D. wrote: >And, of course, celestials can try for *any* Word they want; it's just not >certain if they'll *get* it. If a demon wants the Word of Kleenex and he has a >good idea for using it to promote Hell (maybe promoting the really rough, >irritating kind, or scented ones for people with allergies...), then yeah, it >could happen. No, wait, so _THAT'S_ what happens! Lucifer got annoyed with some demon, who has since been trying to expand his Word by getting poor Kleenex to lose its trademark -- then _every_ tissue will be a 'kleenex' and that's at least a little more power. Meanwhile, the Angel of Trademarks has been gnashing its teeth and helping sponsor all those "Protect Trademarks!" ads in Writer's Digest... O;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:24:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Free Will & Lucifer's Word >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:23:51 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Robb Kidd ] (Remember, posters-l!) >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:20:48 -0400 >From: Robb Kidd >Subject: Re: IN> Free Will & Lucifer's Word >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >X-Info: http://www.the8thvirtue.org >Sender: Robb Kidd > >* DAMIEN MCGURRELL (DAMIEN.MCGURRELL@may.ie) wrote: >> The way I look at it, Fate and destiny >> aside (which are a plan given to celestials by God or the universe, take >> your pick), Celestials are much more concerned with the fact that they have >> no free will. Having proof of god and his interventions, means to them, >> that god can make the laws of nature do what he wants at any time. They see >> the major acts God takes and can't help get nervous that he takes so many >> little subtle acts that dictate their actions. Most humans just are less >> uneasy because all they have is faith in God, not the knowledge he can >> manipulate your thinking, make up down on a whim. > > So, the more you know about a person/object/thing, the less free > will you have? Does this mean that if I do not know that a red > heating element on a stove is hot, onlythen do I have the freedom > to do whatever I please? > > I think someone long ago got "free will" confused with "action > without consequences". > >> Loki (from the kevin smith film Dogma) represents [those celestials who >> delude themselves into thinking god is a myth], >> >> BARTLEBY to LOKI >> "Here's what I don't get about you: you know for a >> fact that there is a God. You've been in his >> presence, he's talked to you personally. And yet I >> just heard you claim to be an atheist." > > Excepting that his reply went, "I just love f*cking with the > clergy. Keeps them on their toes." He was not being honest. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:22:45 +0200 From: "Donato Ranzato" Subject: Re: IN> Ssssshh!! From: "Eric Bertish" > > I will introduce the idea in my next campaign with my players permission. > > If you're the GM, you don't need their permission.... I try to be a democratic leader :-) Donato ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:35:15 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words >Also, a quibble about your scene- a Word can be >granted that falls under the perview of another Word. >In fact, probally 99% of granted Words do. That's how >the whole process of Word Promotion works, after all. *sniffles* Well it made me chuckle wryly at the thought of angels all trying to give an angel a word and not asking those it also comes under. SOmetimes the Symphony might add in a small kind of -breaker- to stop some word friction. It wouldnt be noticable with friction between the likes of gabby and belial, but for the minors it might help a little. Well, we all play differently. The scene was just a psuedo humourous attempt on my behalf to lighten the topic a little. And besides, its still technically Novalis month.... Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:34:10 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: IN> Game Operations Director -- G.O.D. > ---Tis always better to get the player's input. Ifr you force something on the players, The poster specifically said "Next campaign." As in, "These are the conditions you must fulfill to play." Rather like saying, "This is an angels-only game." Sure, you may lose players for that, but if they're the kind who drop out for something like that then odds are that they wouldn't have been happy within your campaign anyway. >they may get upset and leave and you won't be running anything. I realize I'm going to sound truly arrogant here -- and truthfully that's not too far off the mark -- but it's been my experience that there are *far* more players than GMs out there. Meaning it's a GM's market: they're always in demand and can always find new players. - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:39:56 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Words for Angels On 24.05.2002 10:13 AM, "Unni Solaas" wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2002, Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: > >> Certainly any word (and not only English ones) could have a Celestial bound >> to it, but should every word have one? I don't think so. > > Oh, but Words in this context are _angelic_ words. They then get > translated to eartly languages. *agitates* So what about words that don't exactly have good solid translations into English? Schadenfreude and zeitgeist from German come immediately to mind. Though DS1 caught that one with his Demon of Chutzpah comment rather nicely. ;) OTOH, English IS a 'grabby' (I can't think of the right word now; I'm thinking 'agglutinate' but for some reason my mind is rejecting it) language and tends to suck in whatever words happen to be convenient and describe what it can't, so who's to say there's not an Angel/Demon of Agglutination out there working to make it easier for her fellows to translate their Words into the local language. You know, you just search through the hundreds of dead or living languages that are extant on Earth until you find a word that most closely matches a celestial Word that heretofore could only be described by an unwieldy phrase, and you begin promoting /that/ word...come to think, it's probably an angel. I don't know if anything other than a low-ranking Servitor of a very angry DP would be 'unselfish' enough to go out and happily promote another's Word, even while promoting his own. Or something. :) Is there an Angel of Idioms, come to think? - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:39:30 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Words for Angels > described by an unwieldy phrase, and you begin promoting /that/ word...come > to think, it's probably an angel. I don't know if anything other than a > low-ranking Servitor of a very angry DP would be 'unselfish' enough to go > out and happily promote another's Word, even while promoting his own. I could see a Lilim doing this for Geasa. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels - --- Jennifer Shih wrote: > Me neither. I just see Eugenics as having enough > far-reaching consequences to merit an Angel. Of > course, it might to more politic to translate the Word > as "selective breeding", but I have a personal bias > against letting perfectly good words fall into disuse > just because they've been used by evil people. So give us a write-up, already! 0:> I, for one, would like to see the Angel of Eugenics under Jordi... ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Words for Angels - --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" wrote: > Which could also be called the Demon of Machisimo. Oh, sure, rain on my parade. 0:> "Quien es mas macho? Furfur or Belial?" ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:52:32 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Game Operations Director -- G.O.D. Eric Bertish wrote: > I realize I'm going to sound truly arrogant here -- and truthfully that's > not too far off the mark -- but it's been my experience that there are *far* > more players than GMs out there. Meaning it's a GM's market: they're always > in demand and can always find new players. Well, if you're just picking up random gamers by advertising on your FLGS's bulletin board, that's fine, but if you're drawing on a pool of friends whom you've gamed with before, you probably don't want to blow them off so casually just because they might have different tastes than you. And even with a random group of gamers, it's nice if a GM establishes expectations and shows some willingness to accomodate what his players want out of the game, rather than just saying "Here's what kind of a campaign I'm running, and if you don't like it, take a hike!" - -David (whose group recently abandoned IN to play Amber. Ah well...I'm wondering if I can get them interested in Nobilis...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words Point of order -- Lord of the Flies is one of the translations (and the common title) of Beelzebub. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ssssshh!! - --- Donato Ranzato wrote: > > If you're the GM, you don't need their permission.... > > I try to be a democratic leader Good policy. As the GM, you don't need the players' permission -- but you always need their consent. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:58:37 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Ssssshh!! Our spies report that on 02:51 AM 5/24/2002 -0700, Arovyn said: >This is pretty good. There's also some really good ideas on things like >this in the GMG. I didn't like the bounce one much, but the damaging one >was pretty nice. It's also fun to combine more than one. Perhaps the >damage plus this penalty. You then have good sound reasoning for it. The >Symphony has punished you for disturbing it. My two cents. I've just been struck with wonderful idea for a dark backwards game. The demons (PCs being on this side) take the damage as the Symphony tries to crush their independant actions. Angels, meanwhile, get the penalty instead. They yield to God's Plan, so it only sort of blisses them out as they get a quick symphonic reeducation...which gives them the penalty. It could be really moving to have an angels who used to be 'cool' (willing to deal with the PCs) suddenly change their personality completely after they recoved from generating a huge disturbance... Plus, it's yet another Unfair Advantage the angels have...I think stressing how unfair the War is would be key in such a game. Hmm. I might jsut do this...but not right now. Right now I must run out the door to make it to Gamex and start the In Nomine tournament. Maybe some of you will even be there! - -- "Here we have a game that combines the charm of a Pentagon briefing with the excitement of double-entry bookkeeping. I don't get it." -- Cecil Adams on D&D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:17:58 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Eugenics was RE: Words > Point of order -- Lord of the Flies is one of the >translations (and the common title) of Beelzebub. Ah but Flies is a correleation to corruption and disease, thus it was the titular to the big B. Jordi is however technically the Lord of Flies, as he is Lord of Squids, Lord of Mink, Lord of Snails and so on. "Fear me, for i m JORDI, LORD OF Gelatinous things that are alive..." *ahem* Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:30:53 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Words for Angels >On 24.05.2002 10:13 AM, "Unni Solaas" wrote: >*agitates* So what about words that don't exactly have good solid >translations into English? Schadenfreude and zeitgeist from German come >immediately to mind. Um... seeing as im talking to a german freind right now.... Schadenfreude "if you are walking along a street and the man in fron of you got hit by a piano what came from above and you laugh thats schadenfreude" Thats from the lips of a german. In plain english, its funny UH OH as opposed to funny HAHA. DarkHumour at its best. And Zeitgeist "Spirit of Time, not an entity, but the feeling of it touching you and you feeling it" Angst is the hard one.... Whats all this got to do with IN? Well, it shows that Angelic Tongue is what only can translate a phrase at its most pure/perfet/True meaning. Our languages all derive from eahcother, and have been vulgarised along the way. NO doubt without demonic help. The WORDS in angelic will be PURE words/concepts/phrases, but when they are given human form they are vulagarised. Anyways im rambling. Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Furfur in Hell - --- Unni Solaas wrote: > Erk! Do you have a webpage or something for that > campaign? http://www.the8thvirtue.org:81/in-nomine/index.html It's a fun, Heretical game, not to mention an unholy Frankenstein union of the WoD and IN. I get to play the blackwing Swordy. :) > I'd love to see > those logs... This sounds too sick to belive.:) Of > course it is a Good > Thing(tm) to get rid of Belial, at the very least it > should help Gabriel. Possibly not: a side effect of the Belial-roast was that his Discord got transplanted to a certain Archangel. If we can't get it removed, it may become regrettably necessary that the party excise Eli from the Symphony... ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:24:34 -0600 From: "Wade Lahoda" Subject: Re: IN> Game Operations Director -- G.O.D. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Bertish" > I realize I'm going to sound truly arrogant here -- and truthfully that's > not too far off the mark -- but it's been my experience that there are *far* > more players than GMs out there. Meaning it's a GM's market: they're always > in demand and can always find new players. Perhaps it's just because the gaming community in my area is aging, aquiring families, and gaming less... But I find it's generally the other way around. Lots of people who *would* run games, if only they could find the players. At least, that's the way it is among gamers I know. A. Wade Lahoda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:26:50 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Words for Angels On 24.05.2002 3:30 PM, "cassandra benner" wrote: >> On 24.05.2002 10:13 AM, "Unni Solaas" wrote: > >> *agitates* So what about words that don't exactly have good solid >> translations into English? Schadenfreude and zeitgeist from German come >> immediately to mind. > > > Um... seeing as im talking to a german freind right now.... > > Schadenfreude > "if you are walking along a street and the man in fron of you got hit by a > piano what came from above and you laugh thats schadenfreude" > Thats from the lips of a german. > In plain english, its funny UH OH as opposed to funny HAHA. > DarkHumour at its best. "I am the Demon of Funny in the Uh-Oh Way!" ;) I just meant in the sense that, where you can say that 'Tisch' means 'table' and 'Tasch' means 'bag' and 'Fenster' means 'window', you can't pick a one or two-word concept that encompasses all the idiomatic meaning of schadenfreude or zeitgeist, that's all. - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 00:38:01 +0000 From: "carson young" Subject: Re: IN> quick question That's exactly what I was looking for, thanks. Carson, demon of... Dang it, I'll think of something! >Well, that's roughly what we figured Self-Defense Only tends to entail... >Ah, the 'using only as much force' bit. Hm, that might have done better >with more of the flavor-text... > >Basically, assume that if the attacker is non-human or Hellsworn, "as much >force" includes pounding someone into the ground and further. O:> > >If the attacker is a stray mortal, then the Stonie gets to use discretion >of whether to pound the sucker into the ground or just break a few arms. > >Does that help? > > >--emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor >RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2652 ********************************