in_nomine-digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2657 In this digest: Re: IN> Essence, the currency of the divine? Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? Re: IN> Noodles for Litheroy? Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? IN> New Discord Re: IN> Furfur in Hell Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? IN> New Relic Oh, so you want to PLAY, huh? (was Re: IN> IN Star Wars) Re: IN> New Discord Re: IN> New Relic Re: Oh, so you want to PLAY, huh? (was Re: IN> IN Star Wars) IN> Minor Choir (and something extra) Re: Oh, so you want to PLAY, huh? (was Re: IN> IN Star Wars) Re: IN> Minor Choir (and something extra) Re: IN> New Relic Re: IN> Minor Choir Re: IN> Minor Choir Re: IN> Minor Choir IN> The Three Virtues ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:42:03 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Essence, the currency of the divine? At 3:21 PM -0500 5/28/02, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >It seems pretty clear that, for the characters, Forces come >in the same coarse granularity they do for the players. >But what about Essence? Is the size of the Essence point >a fact of life for the characters, or is it the players' way >of representing a commodity that is, for the characters, >essentially continuous, like energy? I suspect that there is _some_ way to measure the "basic amount" of Essence -- such as by determining what the minimum amount is that will power a Song that requires the least amount of Essence. Then, huzzah, you discover that the measures of Essence you have (one "measure" being that minimum amount) are equal to your Forces! This becomes very easy if you've got access to a Superior who can tell you how many Forces you have. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:23:23 -0400 From: Eric Eves Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? > Obi-Wan Kenobi: Replaced with Mik-ael Serophi, an > ancient Archangel, now hiding for the Sympohnic > Empire. Has the role of an old desert hermit by the > name of Mike Serophi, and plans to one day show Larry > his heritage. Master of the Selfless side of the > Symphony. Obi-wan, as a Seraph? Come on. "These are not the droids you are looking for." "Everything I told you was true, from a certain point of view." And so forth. (Note, while I am a geek, I may have got the quotes wrong.) If the guy isn't a Balseraph, I don't know who is. (Hmm. Be glad I'm able to resist going into my huge Jedi As Compulsive Liars rant, I still retain enough self-control to keep my raving in check.) - -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? > Obi-wan, as a Seraph? > > Come on. "These are not the droids you are looking > for." "Everything I > told you was true, from a certain point of view." > > And so forth. (Note, while I am a geek, I may have > got the quotes wrong.) > > If the guy isn't a Balseraph, I don't know who is. Mm... While I can certainly see that, I can't really see anyone but Mike as Obi-Wan... maybe... Heh. Baali-Wan Serophi... Aheheh... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Noodles for Litheroy? Okaaay... does this make the Rumtumtugger a Soldier of the Wind? ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:50:42 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "W S" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? > Mm... While I can certainly see that, I can't really > see anyone but Mike as Obi-Wan... OTOH, I can't see Mike as Obi-Wan at all. Remember, the single most defining characteristic of the Firstborn is that he Never Loses. Obi-Wan, OTOH, is quite fallible. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? - --- Eric Eves wrote: > Come on. "These are not the droids you are looking for." > "Everything I > told you was true, from a certain point of view." He doesn't have to be a Balseraph, though. Mercurian could work, and it even fits with the Jedi non-aggression thing. Even so, I now have to find some way to bend my brain around the concept of Hutts and Toydarians all having the Blessed Advantage. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:36:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? At 4:23 PM -0400 5/28/02, Eric Eves wrote: >Obi-wan, as a Seraph? > >Come on. "These are not the droids you are looking for." "Everything I > told you was true, from a certain point of view." > >And so forth. (Note, while I am a geek, I may have got the quotes wrong.) > >If the guy isn't a Balseraph, I don't know who is. I do recall this was the general consensus (or at least one viewpoint) the last time the Star Wars Casting came up... I suspect it's in even the incomplete digest archives... O;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:41:16 -0300 From: "vez o'rama" Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? >From: Eric Eves >Obi-wan, as a Seraph? > *snip* > >If the guy isn't a Balseraph, I don't know who is. > How about a discordant Elohite with the Celestial Song of Charm? :) - - vez _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:59:26 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> New Discord This arises from the Star Wars discussion, though I'm not sure why I didn't think of it before... - -EDG Corporeal Discord: Breathing Trouble The afflicted celestial has impaired breathing: whether this is asthma, damaged lungs, or a broken windpipe depends on the celestial and the Discord. In any event, as celestials need to breathe, this is a life-threatening Discord; when using any physical skill (such as running or swimming) or while in combat, the Discord inflicts 1 Body Hit per (7 - the level of the Discord) rounds. At higher levels (4-6), those who suffer from this Discord require some sort of breathing aid in order to survive normally; if the apparatus fails or is not present, the Discord inflicts Body Hits at half the "active" rate (round down) even when the celestial is at rest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:23:16 -0400 From: Robb Kidd Subject: Re: IN> Furfur in Hell * Maurice Lane (moelane_1999@yahoo.com) wrote: > Possibly not: a side effect of the Belial-roast was > that his Discord got transplanted to a certain > Archangel. If we can't get it removed, it may become > regrettably necessary that the party excise Eli from > the Symphony... Moe is really the only one with a gleam in his eye to do this. He's either Following the Discord or just really wants to take down *something* on a Superior-level now that Belial is Post Toasties. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > OTOH, I can't see Mike as Obi-Wan at all. Remember, > the single most > defining characteristic of the Firstborn is that he > Never Loses. Obi-Wan, > OTOH, is quite fallible. Yeah, but he got to come back from the dead. That sounds like _precisely_ the sort of thing that the Platonic Munchkin would do. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:35:00 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:29 PM Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this awful thing? > Yeah, but he got to come back from the dead. That > sounds like _precisely_ the sort of thing that the > Platonic Munchkin would do. > > :) Moe, Moe, Moe. When we first met, I was but the learner. Now I am the master. Your powers are weak, old man. Question -- What munchkin would *ever* let himself get trapped in a form where he was powerless to do anything other than non-combat character interaction? :-) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:47:40 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> New Relic I think my brain's turned back on, Eric. :) Comments welcome. - -EDG Relic: Celshare (Peer-to-Peer Song Sharing Device) Heaven never saw it coming. For that matter, neither did most of Hell. Celshare is one of Nybbas's little toys. It occurred to him one day while he watched the humans squabble over MP3s and file-sharing: if the talking monkeys can do it with *their* music, why couldn't he do it with *his*? The next thing anybody knew, Nybbas was back in Vapula's labs, drafting up a prototype Song-sharer, and within a month the first release hit the streets of Shal-Mari. The device is actually a fairly simple relic: using a modified Ethereal Song of Tongues, it allows the user to share his Songs with anyone else who happens to be on the network. Oh, there are a few limitations: the Songs are actually stored in the Celshare client, which can hold up to twice its level in Song levels (although the user shares not only the Songs currently in the client device but also in his own head); the Songs which the user downloads stay with the device, and are lost if the device is lost or destroyed; and, if the client device is full, the user must delete entire Songs from its database (instead of just shaving individual levels off) in order to download new Songs. However, many demons think that's a small price to pay to have access to the collective repertoire of thousands of other demons. Now, this is the first release, so there are bound to be a few... well... undocumented features. Such as the fact that once you've turned sharing on, you can't turn it off without removing the relic (and losing access to all of your downloaded Songs). Such as the fact that the device is still quite fragile, and one must take care not to do anything like dropping it. Such as the fact that the device is also somewhat painful to use: it deals Mind Hits every time the user searches for a new Song. That's not too high a price to pay, though, is it? Naturally, some of the Heavenly bigwigs (and some of the Hellish ones, too) are trying to stamp this out; after all, some of their servitors know Secret or Forbidden Songs, and they wouldn't want them falling into the wrong hands. On the other hand, it's rumored that Jean is already working on a Heavenly version without most of the limitations of the original... Celshare Client Device (earpiece with microphone) Modified Ethereal Song of Tongues/X: 3X Convenience (Can be worn hands-free): +2 Fragility (any hit will break it): -2 Harms User (inflicts Mind Hits): -2 User restriction (may only be used by owner): +3 Total Cost: 4 / 7 / 10 / 13 / 16 / 19 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Oh, so you want to PLAY, huh? (was Re: IN> IN Star Wars) - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurice Lane" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: IN> IN Star Wars- Or, why did I do this > awful thing? > Moe, Moe, Moe. When we first met, I was but the > learner. Now I am the > master. Your powers are weak, old man. > > Question -- What munchkin would *ever* let himself > get trapped in a form > where he was powerless to do anything other than > non-combat character > interaction? > Chuckg, Chuckg, Chuckg. Thank you _so_ much. I was feeling creatively blocked... ...until now. ;) Discord: Phazed Out (Celestial) This particularly odd Discord usually manifests itself among those who have been subjected to some sort of oddity in the space-time continuum, but has been known to occur in those who have somehow managed to combine the smashing of one's Heart and an Intervention. Either kind. A Phazed Out celestial will find himself perpetually out of step with whatever plane he or she (never it: Shedim and Kyriotates don't get to have this Discord) is currently on. They retain a full sensorium and can somehow be seen and heard. However, they cannot be affected by any other means. Attacks, Songs, Resonances, Attunements - nothing. Neither may they affect anyone else - including other Phazed Out Celestials - with one exception (see below). The secondary effects vary from plane to plane: On the corporeal plane, The Phazed Out may not use Tethers. On the ethereal plane, Phazed Out individuals are incapable of ever entering a dreamscape. On the Celestial plane, Phazed Out individuals do not regenerate Essence at all. There is also one universal advantage to being Phazed Out: items that are normally insubstantial to others (such as being in vesselspace, Scabbarded or corporeal objects on the celestial plane) are never insubstantial to them. They neither steal vessels (not that they really need to) nor damage them, but 'carried' items are not so fortunate. As one might note, being Phazed Out is a Renegade's Dream - for a while, at least. Only a Superior can get to you (and they don't like being Summoned just to stamp on a nuisance as petty as yourself), you can pretty much go anywhere you like and make obscene gestures to anybody you like. Admittedly, only Djinn seem to be able to handle it for too long, but there's something to be said for following around particularly uptight angels for a while and making their lives a living Hell through snide commentary. After all, it's not like they can shut you up... Reaction modifiers: -1/level, demons (you're a slacker); -2/level, Renegades (you're a subject for sheer envy); -3/level, angels and Servitors of the Game (you're a royal, LOUD pain in the posterior); don't even bother rolling, Servitors of the Sword with the Scabbard Attunement (they'll be too busy preemptively Summoning their Archangel to go medieval on your buttocks - he just may, too). ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Discord Gaaaah! A Discord that can _repeatedly_ Vessel-kill the sufferer? Sounds excessive to me. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:36:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Relic - --- EDG wrote: > Relic: Celshare (Peer-to-Peer Song Sharing Device) [shudder] Even with the bugs, this is potentially unbalancing. OTOH, the opportunities for screwing over PC's might be worth it... ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: Oh, so you want to PLAY, huh? (was Re: IN> IN Star Wars) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Discord: Phazed Out (Celestial) [blinks] So that's what happened to all that stuff in my Portable Hole. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Minor Choir (and something extra) To close out Novalis in Bloom (much to the relief of some), I present Novalis' Minor Choir! ERELIM "The Gardeners" Fleur barely held her tears in check as she surveyed the ruins of the conservatory. Pieces of stems and leaves mingled with broken glass from the windows and soil spilled from overturned pots. She had spent twelve years making this place of beauty, only to watch helplessly as a handful of Calabim and warrior angels had wrecked it in under two minutes. It could have been worse, she said to herself, at least the forces of Heaven won. Not for the first time, she wondered if the Destiny of one man was really worth the loss of this island of green in the heart of the city. She sighed out a wordless prayer that Senator Reyes' protectors would avoid collateral damage in the future. There was nothing she could do for the dead plants, of course. Fleur released her frustration as another sigh, then invoked her Resonance to see what she could do for the survivors. Oh, well, she thought, At least I know what I'll be doing for the next twelve years. The Erelim are charged with nurturing and healing. As their secondary Choir name suggests, they are expert in dealing with plants. Erelim mostly work behind the scenes on the Corporeal plane; while other angels fight the war, the Gardeners are busy tending the battlefield. While no Gardeners have ever permanently left Novalis' service (no other Word suits them as well, after all), the Archangel of Flowers freely loans them to her less combative peers. Children, Creation, Destiny, Dreams and Trade all have work for these botanical angels from time to time. Even War has employed Erelim on rare occasions; no one knows the value of defensive landscaping better than Michael. Resonance Erelim Resonate with nurture. Their Resonance gives them information about the condition of a living thing within the angel's line of sight. Seeing through some kind of technological device (i.e. a telescope or television) doesn't count as line of sight for this purpose, but using a Song of Sight does. Consult the chart below; each CD includes the information gained from lesser results. This heightened sense lasts for (Ethereal Forces) minutes. A failed Resonance roll renders the Gardener's Resonance inactive for a number of minutes equal to the CD. Erelim Check Digit Results 1: You know the subject's general state of physical health. 2: You know one specific health problem that the subject has (malnutrition, thirst, etc.). This tells you either the most severe problem or the one that needs to be dealt with first. 3: As above, and you know the cause of the problem. 4: You know the subject's general state of psychological health. 5: You are aware of the subject's most severe or most urgent psychological problem (phobia, neurosis, normal anxiety, etc.) and its cause. 6: You know the subject's overall state of spiritual health. This can tell you whether or not a Human is suffering a crisis of faith, an angel is close to Falling or a demon is ready to Redeem. Dissonance As agents of life, Erelim cannot cause death. They gain a note of Dissonance for killing a Mortal or even for dealing a mortal wound (this Dissonance goes away if the angel can heal the victim before actual death occurs). They can Vessel-kill demons (though most hate to do so), but Soul-killing any being -- even the most irredeemable demon -- causes them two notes of Dissonance. Erelim who grow too fond of killing are in danger of becoming Decani. An Erelite gains one note of Dissonance for each instance of killing plants or animals. When killing Humans, a Gardener gains a note of Dissonance for each death. Setting off an explosive in the wrong place would send one of these angels spinning into Hell. Manner and Appearance Erelim prefer Vessels with a wholesome, earthy appearance. They echo the female principle of their patroness and are almost always feminine. Their dress is as casual as is appropriate (they often go nude when they think they can get away with it) and they don't worry much about style. Comfort and functionality are more important to them. Most Erelim have a distinctive feature such as a mole, buck teeth, prominent nose, etc. that would usually be considered a flaw but which the angel somehow manages to turn into a mark of unique beauty. Few would describe these angels as sexy; they're perfectly happy to be cute. Erelim and Mercurians have a mutual admiration society that makes other angels long for insulin, but Gardeners are uneasy around Cherubim and Malakim. Indeed, warrior angels of any Choir make Erelim nervous. They tolerate fighters who avoid deadly force, but killers disgust and frighten them. This disdain for combat hardly indicates weakness, however; Gardeners display persistence in the face of adversity that draws admiration from the staunchest warriors in Heaven. Cherubim, ironically enough, tend to hold Erelim in high esteem. The celestial forms of the Gardeners are treelike shapes composed of white fire. They walk on flexible roots and use their graceful branches as manipulative appendages. The sound of wind moving through leaves or grass is music to their ears. Choir Attunement Erelim of Flowers don't Disturb the Symphony when playing any Song of Healing in the realm appropriate to the Song played (i.e. playing Corporeal Healing on Earth). This does mean that an Erelite in Hell or at an infernal Tether can play the Celestial Song of Healing without creating a Disturbance. Discord: Green Thumb This Discord can afflict any angel of Flowers or Creation (not to mention certain Ethereals), but it is most common among Erelim. The Discord causes plants in the angel's immediate vicinity to grow with unusual speed. The effective range of Green Thumb is (total Forces) feet except where otherwise noted. 1: Seeds will germinate or buds will bloom within an hour of the angel's arrival. 2: As above, but the effect occurs within minutes. 3: Any plant the angel touches -- even a dead one -- immediately freshens up and starts to grow or bloom. 4: As above, but it effects all plants within range. 5: Mortals become mildly ill (-2 to the TN of all rolls) as their intestinal flora multiply out of control. This effect passes within a minute of the angel's departure. 6: As above, but the effect also does damage (1 Body Hit per minute). If a Mortal dies as a result of this damage, the Erelite gains Dissonance as normal. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:52:54 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Oh, so you want to PLAY, huh? (was Re: IN> IN Star Wars) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:18 PM Subject: Oh, so you want to PLAY, huh? (was Re: IN> IN Star Wars) [snip] > Chuckg, Chuckg, Chuckg. Thank you _so_ much. I was > feeling creatively blocked... > > ...until now. Nice Discord in theory, but how are you going to GM it? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:03:40 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choir (and something extra) >ERELIM >"The Gardeners" Not to be confused with the Eremels... http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/choirsnbands.html Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:37:46 -0000 From: "Chris Anthony" Subject: Re: IN> New Relic Eep! Missed a paragraph: "Of course, the Celshare system resembles its mortal counterpart in more ways than its basic design: there's also the download time. Although a user can choose how many levels of a Song to download (although it can't be more than the other user knows), higher levels come with a higher time cost: each level of the Song takes 5 minutes to download, and if the full extent of the chosen levels isn't finished transferring before the user has to abort the download, *all* of the levels completed for that Song so far are lost. Note also that the same Song can't be in the Celshare client more than once: in order to get a higher level of the Song, the user must first delete the old levels and then download the entire thing anew." I hope that's clear. x_x - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:29:39 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choir Not a bad idea, Michael but I have one small quibble. > An Erelite gains one note of Dissonance for each instance of killing > plants or animals. A gardener would need to kill weeds or insects to keep plants healthy. And what if they are growing food to feed someone? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:44:08 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choir > >Not a bad idea, Michael but I have one small quibble. > > > An Erelite gains one note of Dissonance for each instance of killing > > plants or animals. > > A gardener would need to kill weeds or insects to keep plants >healthy. And what if they are growing food to feed someone? Not necessarily; given their nature, they could quite easily transplant the weeds (which 'have every right to grow like any other plant') to other locations, without killing. Insects can be removed, and sent elsewhere (Celestial Song of Motion, anyone?) or an Elohite can handle the 'pest control'. Kamika-Z, adding to his project... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choir - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > A gardener would need to kill weeds or insects to > keep plants > healthy. And what if they are growing food to feed > someone? That's why I post these things -- nothing refines a writer's work like exposure to other minds. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:14:54 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: IN> The Three Virtues - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Walton [mailto:thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com] To close out Novalis in Bloom (much to the relief of some), I present Novalis' Minor Choir! *** *** *** May still has two days.... Faith, Hope and Charity. The three Judeo-Christian Virtues, which stood against the Seven Deadly Sins. Well, it turns out they aren't Virtues after all... I had been working on these as all servitors of Novalis, in honor of this month's topic, but the more I look at them, Hope just has to be in Service to Dreams. Faith, as we all already know, is a Power; so in order to make three, we'll be covering Patience instead. Patience could work in Flowers, but after the recent discussion of Stone, I like her better as a Davidian. Ahh, but Charity... How could she be anything other than a Gifter in Service to Flowers? Now, I'm paranoid about this insipid mail program adding bits even if I keep it in plain text. I just don't trust the government, so I am gonna piece things together into several parts and send them on successive days. I think I've about abused all the good nature of Archangel Beth as I wish to. So, today I'm sending the angel, and tomorrow I'll send the role. I will do the other members of the triad next week and the week after. Maybe if I force myself to wait, I can cut down some of my tendency to ramble. DS1 ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2657 ********************************