in_nomine-digest Friday, May 31 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2659 In this digest: IN> Guarding Charity IN> The Angelic Mind IN> Tribute to a Tribute- The Greatest Song in the World IN> Renegade? What's that? Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? RE: IN> Renegade? What's that? RE: IN> Renegade? What's that? Re: IN> Tribute to a Tribute- The Greatest Song in the World Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] IN> Songs of Limbo IN> Phazed Out Discord Re: IN> Songs of Limbo Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] Re: IN> Songs of Limbo Re: IN> Songs of Limbo Re: IN> Songs of Limbo Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] Re: IN> Songs of Limbo Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] IN> Songs of Limbo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:01:51 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: IN> Guarding Charity Had this on my mind and so... Tristam : Malakim of Zadkiel CORPOREAL : 5 STR 10 AGI 10 ETHEREAL : 3 INT 05 PRE 07 CELESTIAL : 5 WIL 08 PER 12 Attunements - Malakim of Zadkiel - Malakim of Novalis - Aura of Divinity - Scabbard Distinction - Vassal of Protection Vows Never suffer an Evil to live when it is my choice Never surrender to the forces of Hell or allow myself to be captured Always give humans a chance to repent their evil and make amends if it is truly their desire to do so. Grant demons one chance to surrender themselves to Heaven before engaging them in combat to the death. Protect the holder of the Word of Charity over all other considerations. SKILLS : Artistry/2, Computer Operation/2, Dancing/1, Detect Lies/4, Dodge/3, Driving/3, Fighting/4, Knowledge/1 (Bureaucracy), Knowledge/1 (Finance), Knowledge/1 (Religion), Knowledge/3 (Security Systems), Language/1 (Hindi), Large Weapon/3 (Sword), Ranged Weapon/3 (Pistol), Savior Faire/2, Singing/1, Thowing/2 SONGS (Corporeal/Ethereal/Celestial) Attraction (0/0/4); Direction 0/0/2; Forbidding 0/1/2; Nemesis 2/0/0 After Novalis lost the first Charity she realized that she faced a dilemma. She had known of the danger before and had a Cherub attuned to Charity, but Hells agents moved faster than the Cherub was able and tragedy had ensued. The word was strongly suited to the Gifters and there was a need to show Heaven that the redeemed Lilim could provide more than decorative functions. At the same time, their very existence made them targets of Infernal plotting and by making them wordbound it only increased the danger. Uriel, who was at that time the commander of Heaven's armies, recognized that charity could sponsor pure emotions in humans. He created a post for his mid-level Malakim as protector of Charity, it fostered good relations with Novalis and gave his angels experience in working with other Archangels. Laurence continued to do so when he became the General of Heaven. The third Charity was lost when demons exploited one of her protector's vows. He was bound to protect innocents who had no defender, and was drawn away to rescue an orphanage from an advancing German soldiers who were lead by Balseraph of Baal. When Novalis finally named a fourth to the Word of Charity, Zadkiel created a Malakim specifically for the purpose of being her protector. Laurence provided the Scabbard Attunement for several reasons, not the least of which was protecting Charity is a sure-fire way to annoy the crap out of Hell. Tristam prefers neither male or female vessels, either will do and whichever is most effective is the one that is chosen. His association with Charity has provided an unusual assortment of skills and made him very popular with Charity's Bright sisters. Charity teasingly calls them his "groupies" and encourages them to flirt. His vows reflect both his service as protector and the service of Flowers, which he also considers himself beholden to. His first vessel was killed at a concert in San Diego. A Calabim, posing as a fan, managed to get backstage and attack Charity. It was destroyed, but Tristam's vessel was so greatly wounded in front of too many humans with cameras for any cover-up. His current vessel is deceptively soft looking and his role is currently as Charity's personal assistant. Role 5/3 Vessel 6 Terrence Lindsey Corruthers is a small and slender man who dresses with flash and impeccable style. He maintains Hannah's schedule, answers phones and walks her dogs. His mannerisms and features resemble Martin Short's character in "Father of the Bride" without the horrendous accent. His only vice appears to be coffee with too much sugar. At the times when Charity takes on other roles, Tristam can be found near her side. He might be a new student at the school, a gardener at the Nunnery or even her dog. If a situation looks like it may take Charity more than a few hundred yards away, Tristam will use the Celestial song of Attraction to maintain a watch over her. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:36:29 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: IN> The Angelic Mind I'm reading a very curious book. "St. Patrick's Gargoyle" by Katherine Kurtz. Turns out that Gargoyles are Malakim who have been reassigned now that God isn't as Old Testament and Wrathful as he used to be. They also, it turns out, have a cherubic resonance with things stolen from their churches. On the whole it's a very interesting take on what Angels think of humans, religion and architecture. Has anyone else read it? DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: IN> Tribute to a Tribute- The Greatest Song in the World "'Be you angels?' The demon asked, 'Nay. We are but men. ROCK!'" - -Tenacious D, The Greatest Song in the World (Tribute) - --- The Greatest Song in the World is, indeed, a damn rare and damn powerful thing- playing it is usally a mortal's Destiny. For only Mortals are capable of playing this particular tune on the Symphony- Celestials are simply incapable of learning it. Nor does any mortal who manages to play it seem able to remember how it goes. To the few angels who have heard both the Song of Holies and the Song of Songs, there is a definite similiarity- although the Song seems deeper and richer somehow. The Song's effects are wildly unpredictible in some ways, but always benefical to an unselfish user. It essentially causes a Major Divine Intervention. Fortunetly for Hell, a mortal only plays the Song every hundred years or so (Tenacious D overguessed by a bit- but that's understandable, they were under a lot of stress). However, the unheard of has happened. A) A celestial (either side) has somehow learned the Song. B) A mortal has used the Song selfishly. C) The singer was caught on tape, and is reconstructing the Song from what he can hear. D) The song was sung before a Live Studio Audience, and live broadcast to millions. Take your pick :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: IN> Renegade? What's that? So, it just occured to me. Asmodeus is really not too bright. With the Song of Correspondence, he could easily Attune himself to any even vaugely troublesome Renegade and dispatch the Calabim in Denim to murderdeathkill- or, better, just use the Celestial Songs of Charm and Life to soulkill the pest. It'd take like 60 or so Essence, tops, on the most idiotic assumptions. What's worse, he could do this to any Redeemed demons as well. Like, say, every Gifter who ever lived. And it's well known how very much effort he puts into destroying the Redeemed- or at least ruining their days, a lot. Posit: Asmodeus is not stupid. What Game, therefore, is he playing? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:30:24 +1200 From: "Terry Jackson" Subject: Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? >With the Song of Correspondence, he could easily >Attune himself to any even vaugely troublesome >Renegade and dispatch the Calabim in Denim to >murderdeathkill- or, better, just use the Celestial >Songs of Charm and Life to soulkill the pest. It'd >take like 60 or so Essence, tops, on the most idiotic >assumptions. Yeah, but he is a Djinn and he is a Demon. It is beneath his station (read: Pride) to attune to every single troublesome Renegade and then pull them in. That's what he has flunkies for - and they're damn good at it anyway. If you wanted to be a rules lawyer and flaunt the uber-powerful Songs and abilities of a Superior then it makes playing an Outcast or Renegade no fun at all. In fact, taken to the extreme it makes playing no Celestial fun, Superiors are just better than you at everything. If it wasn't the fact they were so busy they would be doing everything themselves. Player: I just finished making my Renegade Balseraph of Fire, I've lovingly painted his portrait and created a personality that would make GBS weep tears of joy. GM: OK, scene one. Asmodeus shows up next to you and tries you on the spot, you're guilty, you die. Terry _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:14:01 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] >From: WonderGecko >The Carmelim >(The Harvesters; The Reapers) Cool. However.... With their natural ability to get the most from the -harvest- they seem more of a jeanite than a novalite choir. Other than that, carry on. Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 03:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? > If you wanted to be a rules lawyer and flaunt the > uber-powerful Songs and > abilities of a Superior then it makes playing an > Outcast or Renegade no fun > at all. In fact, taken to the extreme it makes > playing no Celestial fun, > Superiors are just better than you at everything. > If it wasn't the fact > they were so busy they would be doing everything > themselves. Which is kinda my point. Superiors, as they are presented, are too powerful and too close to the PCs for my comfort. They ways of instantly finding and of instantly destroying any non-Superior they want (Why Kronos doesn't soulkill every mortal that meets his Destiny instead of his Fate, just to screw with Yves, is beyond me... but I'm a bastard ;) and yet reguarly do interact with non-Superior characters. They have abilities that are akin to the gods in old fashion sword and sorcerery, but are used like powerful nobility in the same. I've heard that the Superiors in INS/MV were less powerful... how so? :) It might resolve some of this non-sense for me. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 03:30:15 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? On Fri, 31 May 2002 03:22:08 -0700 (PDT) W S said unto us: >>They ways of instantly finding and of instantly destroying any non-Superior they want I think of it as "Mutually Assured Destruction." Superiors on both sides know that killing Servitors is not going to go over well and will escalate the War beyond what they are ready for. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:07:31 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Renegade? What's that? - -----Original Message----- From: W S [mailto:snowcrash1775@yahoo.com] So, it just occured to me. Asmodeus is really not too bright. With the Song of Correspondence, he could easily Attune himself to any even vaugely troublesome Renegade and dispatch the Calabim in Denim to murderdeathkill- or, better, just use the Celestial Songs of Charm and Life to soulkill the pest. It'd take like 60 or so Essence, tops, on the most idiotic assumptions. ***** Is it cannon that there is anything left of a Heart once a demon shatters it? Maybe once a Heart is destroyed there are no chips left for him to do Correspondence on. Or maybe it is really, really, really, REALLY, important to steal your own heart and bring it or it's pieces with you. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 04:17:48 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: RE: IN> Renegade? What's that? > Is it cannon that there is anything left of a Heart > once a demon shatters > it? Maybe once a Heart is destroyed there are no > chips left for him to do > Correspondence on. Or maybe it is really, really, > really, REALLY, important > to steal your own heart and bring it or it's pieces > with you. Your thinking that Correspondence works off of contagion (once together, always together). Not so. For Azzie to use the Song of Correspondence on someone, he just has to have seen them just once. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Tribute to a Tribute- The Greatest Song in the World Hee hee! This has potential -- especially option "D." I can see Kronos squirming now. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? - --- W S wrote: > Posit: Asmodeus is not stupid. > > What Game, therefore, is he playing? The one where he conducts himself in a manner that doesn't draw every single Archangel in Heaven down on his head. If Azzie were to take down every single Renegade or Redeemed in the manner that you suggest, that might well be enough of an annoyance for Heaven to decide that it was time for another Prince to go down. And considering Azzie's unpopularity in Hell and the fact that other Princes use Renegades for missions that require plausible deniability, he couldn't count on backup from his own side. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 06:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] Some point-by-point critique for my favorite Servitor of Random Enthusiasm... > The Carmelite resonance is for completion, whether it be > a literal crop of > fruit ready for harvest, or for a fully complete plan for > a merger, or a human achieving her Destiny (or Fate!). First off, I like the concept of their Resonance. Despite Novalis' warm-fuzzy-hippy-chick image, it makes sense that her organization would have some, well, organization. > Dissonance: > > It is dissonant for Carmelim to /waste/ during a harvest. > Using resources > inefficiently or failing to bring in as much of the > harvest as possible > causes dissonance for these practical angels The Dissonance condition doesn't strike me as having any teeth in it, though the part about frivolous Essence expenditure helps. > Reflecting both their resonance and their Superior's > Choir, Carmelim > celestial forms are those of rather large, helpful garden > insects--ladybugs > are quite common, but so are other useful beetles, > bumblebees, etc. ??? No special effects, like feathery wings in place of normal insect wings? No nimbi around the antennae? Oh, for shame... 0;> > Choir Attunements: This is my one real quibble. Although we only have two canonical examples of minor Ensembles, that one clearly has both the Menunim and the Pachadim a) never permanently leaving the service of their creators, and b) without Ensemble Attunements from other Superiors. That said, my opinions of the Carmelite Attunements follow. > Carmelite of Destiny: Carmelim of Destiny generate no > disturbance if they > kill a human who has reached his Destiny. This I have real problems with. I don't see angels -- especially angels of Flowers -- being sent to kill Humans before their time except in a very dark campaign. Mercifully killing a Human whose life has been artificially extended, however... > Carmelite of Flowers: Carmelim of Flowers, as their > mistress' Word implies, > are especially in touch with harvests of the vegetable > sort--they add their > Ethereal Forces to any CD concerning a resonance roll for > crops, and gain an > estimate of how many people's needs the crops might > satisfy. This one is dead on the $. > Carmelite of Trade: Carmelim of Trade, on a successful > resonance roll, also > receive an estimate of how much a harvest is likely to > net--of course, this > tends to be a very vague estimate on a marginal success, > compared to an > exact number on an outstanding one. Kinda weak if you ask me. Even if you extend the definition of harvest to include things like investments and commodities brokering, though that modification makes it far more useful for Trade. > Carmelite of War: Carmelim of War negate their dissonance > condition, so long > as any 'waste' they cause is in pursuit of destroying > demons. Ehhh... considering this Choir's raison d'etre, I can't see Novalis giving them to Michael and letting them get away with causing large amounts of collateral damage. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:08:29 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Songs of Limbo So there I was, reading through L.Cant, when a thought occurred to me. I'd been thinking "There is a Corporeal realm, an Ethereal realm, and a Celestial realm. They all have corresponding songs. If there was another realm what kind of Songs would it have?" *doink* <--The sound of silent fireworks. Limbo was another realm. Could this be the elusive key to the fabled Song of Limbo? Was there, in fact, not one, but a whole suite of Limbo Songs? Time to do research. I got out my dancin' stick. A bit of thought led me to the Song of Projection. Don't ask me how I decided that. Even I, in all my brilliance cannot follow my convoluted thought processes! (And it's just a coincidence the book was open at that page!) Besides, what could happen? Projection is like a day trip. I'd be right back if anything went wrong. (Note: Only beings who could, theoretically, visit Limbo can learn Limbo Songs. Tough luck, Kyrios and Sheds.) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Limbo Song of Projection (Secret) Your mind is projected into Limbo. You seem to pass out for CD minutes Corporeal time. Intellectually you have all the time in the world to think. This Song cannot be canceled prematurely. (So don't use it in combat.) Essence Requirement: 2. Degree of Disturbance: Celestial Forces (of all beings projected) x 2. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Limbo Song of Creation (Secret) Makes Primordial Clay. (L.Reliq. p.89) The Clay accumulates over time. Five uses (a total of 50E) produces a hand full of Clay. Essence Requirement: 10. Degree of Disturbance: 10. "I have the strength of ten because my Heart is intact." -Pete Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:08:25 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Phazed Out Discord Devil-Chaser Whips (L.Reliq. p. 83) specificly state that they can hit immaterial beings. "Think think, think, think, think think think." -Winnie the Pooh BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> Songs of Limbo Oh god... That's manically bad... And such possibilities... The Limbic Song of Fruition... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:02:33 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Renegade? What's that? At 7:31 PM -0700 5/30/02, W S wrote: >So, it just occured to me. > >Asmodeus is really not too bright. > >With the Song of Correspondence, he could easily >Attune himself to any even vaugely troublesome >Renegade and dispatch the Calabim in Denim to There is, mind, the little matter that once Azzie attunes to something, he's just as incapable as the next Djinn of actually _harming_ it. One could argue that, since his very word is as a geas to his Servitors, ordering someone to kill his attuned is just the same, for him, as doing it himself. Which is, well, unthinkable/dissonant. Besides, that only works for known Renegades, and he spends a lot of his time checking up on his own people. Who has the time? O:> And even further, Asmodeus has hardly seen _every_ demon that might go Renegade, even once. (And even if he has, he doesn't have the Seraph of Jean attunement. He may not remember them ALL.) Being a Renegade from the _Game_, now that's a tricky problem. But there's that attuning thing again -- you're more likely to get demoralizing Essence-gifts from the periodic Celestial Song of Tongues, when Azzie's in a snitty mood. At 3:22 AM -0700 5/31/02, W S wrote: > (Why >Kronos doesn't soulkill every mortal that meets his >Destiny instead of his Fate, just to screw with Yves, >is beyond me... How could he? What Song will force a human's soul into the celestial realm so that it can be destroyed? How does Kronos get _every_ mortal who manages it? Heck, he probably doesn't even _know_ all of them, or where they are. (He might know where the _fated_ ones are, but then, that's his Word.) Superiors are big, bad, and mean -- but they're not omnipotent. They can't instantiate themselves infinite times, to be everywhere at once. (Well, Jordi can come close, but he's plain weird and unlikely to interfere unless you're really ticking him off.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:05:09 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] On 31.05.2002 6:05 AM, "Michael Walton" wrote: > Some point-by-point critique for my favorite Servitor of > Random Enthusiasm... Thank you! ...Wait, there are other Servitors of Random Enthusiasm out there? *G* > First off, I like the concept of their Resonance. > Despite Novalis' warm-fuzzy-hippy-chick image, it makes > sense that her organization would have some, well, > organization. Heee! Glad you liked. :) I figured she'd have someone around who could do the heavy labor as far as growing stuff is concerned. > >> Dissonance: > The Dissonance condition doesn't strike me as having any > teeth in it, though the part about frivolous Essence > expenditure helps. *scratches head* Yeah, I was having trouble with this one myself. The original dissonance condition I came up with was an Ofanite-esque one--if they weren't throwing themselves into the harvest, they took dissonance. That seemed a little difficult to work with in game mechanics, and felt (to me) like it would lead to a lot of 'well, I killed the human because he'd achieved his Destiny, so that was everything I could do to bring in the harvest' sort of situations. Not that angels are rules-lawyers. ;) Any suggestions how to fix this so that it's more efficacious? > ??? No special effects, like feathery wings in place of > normal insect wings? No nimbi around the antennae? Oh, > for shame... 0;> I was thinking 'oo, they need feathery wings!' except then they'd get confused with the Cherubim. ;) Don't worry, when I fix the write-up, I'll give them psychadelic auras or flower patterns or something. (I just had the sudden mental image of ladybugs with flower-patterned carapaces ala the 'Flower Power' iMac. Remind me to scan, color, and post the iSeraph.) Or maybe translucent 'feathery' wings derived from the cuticle. > >> Choir Attunements: > > This is my one real quibble. Although we only have two > canonical examples of minor Ensembles, that one clearly has > both the Menunim and the Pachadim a) never permanently > leaving the service of their creators, and b) without > Ensemble Attunements from other Superiors. That said, my > opinions of the Carmelite Attunements follow. Ooo. Thank you. I was not aware of that little fact. :) I mean, I knew the Pachadim and the Menunim /existed/ in canon, just not the pertinent little bits. > >> Carmelite of Destiny: > > This I have real problems with. I don't see angels -- > especially angels of Flowers -- being sent to kill Humans > before their time except in a very dark campaign. > Mercifully killing a Human whose life has been artificially > extended, however... Mhm. I had problems with this, too. Thankfully, I got some VERY helpful suggests out of EDG about how to make these work better. ;) Also coming in the revised version of the Carmelim! Although in a very dark campaign, Carmelim are vague humanoids who carry sickles, they were created by Yves, and they're out to nab all the humans who've reached their Destiny before Kronos can get at them. Or something. That's almost dark and low contrast, or dark and upside-down. And Fallen Carmelim (the Hirami) would be doing the same job, except for Fated humans and for Kronos. ;) > >> Carmelite of Flowers: > > This one is dead on the $. *nibbles on the $ sign* I'd thought it might be what they were created for, anyway. Thanks! > >> Carmelite of Trade: > > Kinda weak if you ask me. Even if you extend the > definition of harvest to include things like investments > and commodities brokering, though that modification makes > it far more useful for Trade. Mmm, yes. Have had more suggestions for that, including one to make the Carmelim even MORE useful to Marc for doing paperwork. >D Or maybe add the same clause that's in the Carmelite of Flowers attunement, and let Carmelim of Trade boost their CDs when the resonance concerns money or contract work or some such. > >> Carmelite of War: > Ehhh... considering this Choir's raison d'etre, I can't > see Novalis giving them to Michael and letting them get > away with causing large amounts of collateral damage. No, and as it was pointed out to me, that's a highly abusable attunement, anyway. :) It will be fixed! It will be fixed! It and the Destiny attunement were the product of someone doing a rush job to get it in before May was over. ;) ...Do angels of minor Choirs ever become Wordbound? - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:51:16 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Songs of Limbo BC Petery wrote: > Limbo Song of Projection (Secret) > Your mind is projected into Limbo. You seem to pass out for CD minutes > Corporeal time. Intellectually you have all the time in the world to think. > > This Song cannot be canceled prematurely. (So don't use it in combat.) If you have all the time in the world to think no matter the check digit, but higher check digits incapacitate you for longer, 1 is the best possible check digit, and a lower check digit is always better than a higher one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Songs of Limbo Eeyah! PC's making their own Primordial Clay -- that's one I'd be really careful with. As for LProj, I can see philosophical types getting a lot of mileage out of it. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Songs of Limbo - --- W S wrote: > The Limbic Song of Fruition... Don't _ever_ give me a cue like that. };> This Song allows a Celestial in Limbo to generate a Vessel quickly -- by giving birth to it. The procedure for generating Vessels remains the same except that a) the Essence cost is divided by the CD (CD1 is treated as CD2 for this purpose), and b) ALL of the player's current Essence store is used in creating the Vessel. The Essence spent on playing the Song is also included in this total. Essence Requirement: all of it Degree of Disturbance: none -- but Celestials who've played this Song tend to have a great degree of empathy for pregnant women. In fact, this empathy frequently manifests as an appropriate Discord. Available: Eli, Kobal, Novalis ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] - --- WonderGecko wrote: > Thank you! ...Wait, there are other Servitors of Random > Enthusiasm out there? Doesn't Tara count, or does she just have the Malakite of Random Enthusiasm Attunement? 0;> > *scratches head* Yeah, I was having trouble with this one > myself. The > original dissonance condition I came up with was an > Ofanite-esque one--if > they weren't throwing themselves into the harvest, they > took dissonance. [snip] > > Any suggestions how to fix this so that it's more > efficacious? Something about interfering in the harvests of others unless said harvest serves Hell, perhaps. > Or maybe add the > same clause that's in the Carmelite of Flowers > attunement, and let Carmelim > of Trade boost their CDs when the resonance concerns > money or contract work or some such. Ah... that would work. > ...Do angels of minor Choirs ever become Wordbound? Theoretically. I don't recall any canonical examples, but the write-ups of minor Ensembles that have come over the list sometimes mention Word-bound members in passing. My first draft of the Erelim actually had the eldest member of the Choir bound to the Word of Gardening. Now I can't recall why I edited that out. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:08:54 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Songs of Limbo It's a neat thought -- and there's a throwaway line about an actual Song of Limbo, which seems to toss its users into Limbo -- but you can't perform a Song for a Realm in which you have no Forces. Limbo doesn't have Forces; it doesn't have *anything*. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:59:30 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] On 31.05.2002 10:52 AM, "Michael Walton" wrote: > > Doesn't Tara count, or does she just have the Malakite of > Random Enthusiasm Attunement? 0;> > Actually, it came as a surprise to me that she's, in reality, the DP of Frenzy. I don't know how that happened, and now Dominic is following me around...whoops. > Something about interfering in the harvests of others > unless said harvest serves Hell, perhaps. Hmm. Okay! Will take that under consideration. ...But how to define it in game mechanics... > > Ah... that would work. Okay! :D >> ...Do angels of minor Choirs ever become Wordbound? > > Theoretically. I don't recall any canonical examples, > but the write-ups of minor Ensembles that have come over > the list sometimes mention Word-bound members in passing. > My first draft of the Erelim actually had the eldest member > of the Choir bound to the Word of Gardening. Now I can't > recall why I edited that out. Ahh, okay. :) More a matter of renown than actual feasibility, then. - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:12:22 -0000 From: "Chris Anthony" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Novaline Choir [Carmelim] WonderGecko said: > ...Do angels of minor Choirs ever become Wordbound? IIRC, the Angel of Hope is a Menunite. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:08:29 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Songs of Limbo So there I was, reading through L.Cant, when a thought occurred to me. I'd been thinking "There is a Corporeal realm, an Ethereal realm, and a Celestial realm. They all have corresponding songs. If there was another realm what kind of Songs would it have?" *doink* <--The sound of silent fireworks. Limbo was another realm. Could this be the elusive key to the fabled Song of Limbo? Was there, in fact, not one, but a whole suite of Limbo Songs? Time to do research. I got out my dancin' stick. A bit of thought led me to the Song of Projection. Don't ask me how I decided that. Even I, in all my brilliance cannot follow my convoluted thought processes! (And it's just a coincidence the book was open at that page!) Besides, what could happen? Projection is like a day trip. I'd be right back if anything went wrong. (Note: Only beings who could, theoretically, visit Limbo can learn Limbo Songs. Tough luck, Kyrios and Sheds.) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Limbo Song of Projection (Secret) Your mind is projected into Limbo. You seem to pass out for CD minutes Corporeal time. Intellectually you have all the time in the world to think. This Song cannot be canceled prematurely. (So don't use it in combat.) Essence Requirement: 2. Degree of Disturbance: Celestial Forces (of all beings projected) x 2. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Limbo Song of Creation (Secret) Makes Primordial Clay. (L.Reliq. p.89) The Clay accumulates over time. Five uses (a total of 50E) produces a hand full of Clay. Essence Requirement: 10. Degree of Disturbance: 10. "I have the strength of ten because my Heart is intact." -Pete Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2659 ********************************