in_nomine-digest Wednesday, June 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2663 In this digest: Re: IN> Re: man from limbo Re: IN> Re: man from limbo RE: IN> Baby Angels Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) Re: IN> Baby Angels Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) IN> The Relative-Stranger Adventure (Was re: the man in limbo) IN> Oannes's Attunements Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) Re: IN> Essence, the currency of the divine? RE: IN> Baby Angels IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. Re: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. Re: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. IN> Yves ad God? I disagree. Re: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. IN> The Man from L.I.M.B.O. Re: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:16:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: man from limbo Why would this be limited to deceased children? I can see bereaved lovers generating Ethereals the same way. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:54:55 -0300 From: "vez o'rama" Subject: Re: IN> Re: man from limbo >From: Michael Walton > Why would this be limited to deceased children? I can >see bereaved lovers generating Ethereals the same way. >From my perspective, I was thinking that what animated and nurtured the Ethereal appartitions was the _hope_ that parents of missing children harbour for the well-being and continued existence of their missing children... Certainly this would extend to missing adults, and people whose lovers fervently hope, believe, or wish(?) that they are still alive... Yeah, that's a cool idea too! :) - - vez _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:43:41 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Baby Angels At 10:44 PM -0400 6/3/02, Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: >From: Eric Eves [mailto:eeves@erskine.edu] > >Ah, but what if /both/ parents were Lilim? > >They're smart enough to not go around pissing momma off. *snicker* Here, have a cookie. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:42:49 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) >Gregg Forge wrote: > >>>Eventually, though, impossible as it's supposed to be, someone is going >>>to bring up Limbo, which happens to fit every available pieceof evidence, >>>except naturally that non-celestials can't *go* there. >> >> >> THIS part is a bone of contention, but I can't argue it until I >>get home; that's where all my books are, for once. >> >Heaven & Hell, p.79. "Humans and ethereal spirits, and even stranger >beings (for example, ceslestial Children of the Grigori) have also found >their way into Limbo on rare occasions." Which is one part I was looking for, and confirmed when I got home. However, the same info, IIRC, is repeated in the CPG, which is still in my missing backpack. Still, it's enough to confirm that, yes, human type people CAN go missing in Limbo...and what kind of body they come back in has a lot to do with how things turn out... Kamika-Z ...hey! It's like cheap plastic surgery for the strong-willed individuals out there... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:03:00 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) [snip] >Kamika-Z ...hey! It's like cheap plastic surgery for > the strong-willed individuals out there... Snarf that. Consider the fun for a DM, being able to drag people out of past eras and drop them right into the middle of an IN campaign... :-) - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:59:56 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Baby Angels Massive snippage. > b.) Lilim (Green) > d.) Boom! > >If you were an angel, > though, would you risk b or d? That depends. Is your name Archangel Michael? - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > Snarf that. Consider the fun for a DM, being able to > drag people out of > past eras and drop them right into the middle of an IN > campaign... Forget _that_. This new development opens up the possibility of Hellsworn "Saints" in canon. If a Soldier of Hell somehow gets sent to Limbo and comes back in a self-made Vessel, he is for all intents and purposes a Saint. And nothing in that contradicts published IN material. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: IN> The Relative-Stranger Adventure (Was re: the man in limbo) cassandra benner said: > > > >>One is to try and >>figure out what the stranger *is*, considering that he can't >>possibly be a human; once it's been determined that the PCs are >>wrong about that particular assumption, -EDG > > Um.. my coupon for a 2cents says he's a Ethereal thingy. > Created from the dreams of the relatives, and given enough essence > to get a body and come earthside. > He'll know the family details, cos they fed them to him, the rest > will be easy enough for him to blag.. I'm afraid we don't accept that coupon here. "Blagging" won't get him past the Mercurian resonance, which will either pick up an Ethereal's Role (which, in this case, is *obviously* not that of The Relative) or the Ethereal's own relations (which are going to include more than just the relative's relations). "Blagging" won't get him past the Malakite resonance, which points out that the least honorable thing he's done is be away for the last year without being able to tell anyone about it. (An Ethereal won't have that particular sin on his shoulders, unless something odder than what I'm writing about is going on. If that's what you want to do with it, feel free - but it doesn't fit the existing data.) "Blagging" won't get him past the Seraph resonance, which - when all is said and done - will sniff out an Ethereal in a Role faster than you can say "Jack Robinson", and an Ethereal without a Role even faster than that. Sorry. And apparently creatures other than celestials and Ethereals can get to Limbo. If the books say it, it must be true (and Heaven forfend I not have seen my books in two years). I'd still have the characters make a Knowledge (Celestial Lore) roll (+2 for angels) to remember this; after all, *I* didn't, and encountering Limbo is rare enough in the In Nomine world that I imagine that it'll be a decent exercise to remember that it's possible. With apologies if I've offended anyone's sensibilities, EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:31:56 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> Oannes's Attunements Dunno why. I just get these urges sometimes. - -EDG CHOIR ATTUNEMENTS Seraphim: Seraphim of the Waters understand that the truth can be fluid, and have learned to adapt to it: they add their Celestial Forces to the check digit of a successful resonance roll, and *subtract* them from the CD of a failed roll (minimum 1). (This would not change in a modern game.) Cherubim (partially restricted): Cherubim of the Waters embody the yielding nature of water, flowing around anything that tries to displace them. The Power of any attack against one of these Cherubim or anybody to whom they are attuned is reduced by the Cherub's Celestial Forces, regardless of whether the target of the attack knows that he is being attacked. (This would not change in a modern game.) Ofanim (restricted): An Ofanite serving Oannes can channel the power of flash-floods. He can use the third facet of his resonance (that of exceptional speed) without actually moving for up to a number of rounds equal to his total Forces. Each round that he does this adds the check digit of the successful roll; the round after he stops, he can move up to the accumulated check digit in miles in the span of a single minute (without having to roll his resonance again), so long as he is in celestial form. (An unsuccessful resonance roll anywhere in the process stops it dead; the Ofanite must start over.) Every minute that he wishes to continue at this speed, he must roll his resonance per usual, subtracting (7 - the check digit) from his speed every round until the speed falls below his normal maximum. (This would not change in a modern game.) Elohim (partially restricted): Elohim of the Waters are attuned to water in all its forms. They always know the distance and location of any bodies of water within (Perception) miles - including non-liquid forms - and add their Celestial Forces to any resonance roll targeting someone who is touching water in any way (again, including non-liquid forms). (Someone drinking water is a valid target for this attunement; once the water leaves the mouth, however, that water ceases to grant any bonus.) (In a modern game, an Elohite of the Waters would also know the location of the nearest vacuum, and would have the bonus for anyone surrounded by vacuum - as in a space suit.) Malakim (restricted): Malakim are Oannes's riptides, dragging under the wicked and evil. A Malakite of the Waters can tell at a glance whether a person is more vicious than virtuous - although he will not know the exact circumstances - and how far to either side that person is, relative to the person's own moral standards. After the Malakite successfully resonates upon a vicious person (as detected above), he may add the check digit of the resonance roll to either the Power or the Accuracy of any melee attack he makes against the target. (This would not change in a modern game.) Kyriotates (restricted): A Kyriotate serving Oannes can create liquid vessels of their own. This requires a number of Forces equal to the amount the Kyriotate would normally have to spend in order to possess a creature of equivalent size, and must be done within (Celestial Forces) yards of an existing body of water, but the Kyriotate does not need to roll to create the vessel. The watery vessel can be dismissed at any time; doing so causes it to turn to steam, and then dissipate over the next few rounds. (This would not change in a modern game.) Mercurians: Mercurians of the Waters are charged with helping the sailors of the world. They get 12 extra character points to spend on a Role (or skills for that Role), which must be associated with sailing in some way (Sailing, Artistry: Cartography, et cetera). The Role may be enhanced by the angel's own character points, as normal. If the Role is ever lost for any reason, this attunement is lost as well. This attunement may be bought more than once, although the points must go toward a new Role. (In a modern game, this would be amended so that the Role could involve helping astronauts/spacers as well.) SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS Amphibian: An angel with this attunement becomes amphibious. He can breathe water as though it were air, and suffers no movement penalties underwater. Effectively, the angel behaves as though the water were not even there, although sound and electricity still affect him normally, and the pressure of the deep is not alleviated. Current: This attunement allows exceptionally fast movement underwater: multiply the angel's standard movement rate by his Celestial Forces while fully submerged. This bonus is negated if any part of the angel's body leaves the water. Conductor: Angels with this attunement do not take damage from electricity; rather, they conduct it. These angels can absorb any amount of electrical charge from any source and redirect it to another target. He must spend 1 Essence for every round after the first that he wants to keep the charge; if the charge is still around when he runs out of Essence or stops spending, it dissipates harmlessly into the environment. A Kyriotate of the Waters in his liquid vessel has twice as long to discharge any electricity he absorbs. Airless: This attunement allows an angel to create a vacuum in a sphere with a radius of (Total Forces) yards. The vacuum is created in an instant, and is not maintained: any surrounding air will immediately push back into the space, creating a sonic boom and dealing 1d damage to anyone within the radius except the angel using the attunement. In addition, everyone within (2 * total Forces) yards must make a Strength check or be deafened for a number of rounds equal to the check digit of the failed roll. (This also does not include the angel using the attunement.) DISTINCTIONS Vassal of the Waters: These angels are unaffected by environmental pressure (such as the deep oceans or the vacuum of space). They act in such environments as though the pressure were 1 standard atmosphere, although the Distinction does not grant immunity to asphyxiation or drowning. Friend of Fluids: A Friend of Fluids may command liquids and semi-liquids; by spending 1 Essence per round, he can get a number of gallons of fluid equal to his total Forces to follow his instructions to the letter. It is possible for a Friend of Fluids to get a gallon of water to flow uphill, or to float in midair, although lifting an object requires the Friend to roll Strength. Master of the Ocean Deep: Masters of the Ocean Deep are so in tune with water that they cause no disturbance to the Symphony, so long as they are at least waist-deep in water. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:49:59 -0400 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) > [snip] > >Kamika-Z ...hey! It's like cheap plastic surgery for > > the strong-willed individuals out there... > > Snarf that. Consider the fun for a DM, being able to drag people out of > past eras and drop them right into the middle of an IN campaign... :-) ... and now you may indeed know what actually happened to the "Marie Celeste", or to The Man Who Walked Around The Horses. [For those who don't recognize the reference, a British diplomat named Benjamin Bathurst in Vienna in 1809 was having his carriage harnessed up, walked around the horses and out of the direct line of sight of several witnesses, and was never seen again. H. Beam Piper wrote about the incident, in a story called "He Walked Around The Horses".] - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:36:21 +0100 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Nutt" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: IN> Limbo Stick! (was Re: IN> Songs of Limbo) > > [snip] > > >Kamika-Z ...hey! It's like cheap plastic surgery for > > > the strong-willed individuals out there... > > > > Snarf that. Consider the fun for a DM, being able to drag people out > of > > past eras and drop them right into the middle of an IN campaign... > :-) > > ... and now you may indeed know what actually happened to the "Marie > Celeste", or to The Man Who Walked Around The Horses. > > [For those who don't recognize the reference, a British diplomat named > Benjamin Bathurst in Vienna in 1809 was having his carriage harnessed > up, walked around the horses and out of the direct line of sight of > several witnesses, and was never seen again. H. Beam Piper wrote about > the incident, in a story called "He Walked Around The Horses".] [reaches for copy of Fortean Times #54.] However, the original sources for Bathurst's disappearance contradict this. No-one particularly noticed his movements around the time he disappeared, including his attendants, who waited for him for about an hour before they started searching for him. It didn't give immediate cause for concern... as it would had he disappeared in full view. No-one saw him disappear. At least, no-one whose testimony survives. So... it seems far more likely that he was robbed and killed, or kidnapped by agents of a rival power and killed. Unless evidence turns up, we don't know. Of course, that doesn't stop a disappearance in full view being possible in the IN timeline... Fortean Times is a great resource for weird stuff that could be used in an IN story - apart from the explorations on religious matters (stigmata, incorruptible corpses), there're 'normal' Fortean events worthy of either Heaven or Hell (especially Dark Humor, Fate and Destiny), or basic human - or Symphonic - weirdness and ineffability. Plenty of stuff to explore... Imran ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:17:44 +1000 From: "Shane" Subject: Re: IN> Essence, the currency of the divine? (was wondering why this hadn't shown up in the list, I accidentally sent it straight to BC Petery, sorry about that) On 30 May 2002, 12:44, BC Petery wrote: > Perhaps the dealers in Commerce Park have a variant of the Corporeal > Song of Essence which allows the storage of large amounts of Essence for > an indefinite length of time, but only for enchanting. This would make > the manufacture of Artifacts more practical, as opposed to gathering all > the assistants when it's time enchant. I'm imagining an angel with the Elohim of Creation choir attunement, the Transubstantiation servitor attunement, and a full century devoted to making a wall tapestry woven of Reliquary/1 cloth strips: all 1200 of them... Hell may have its Damned, Heaven may have LOTS of Reliquary/1s? How many years (eons?) ago could/would Heaven start making these? A single angel weaving for one millennia could make a tapestry that generates 12000 a day - - and from the end of the first month it would've started making a return on the investment, for a total of over two billion essence in the first thousand years of work (Marc would love that). Mind you, Creationers (and others with Creationer attunements as well as other artifact makers if you are using the expanded rules beyond the core book) being as they are, and the number of angels over the eons who would donate their own tokens, I think a Bank of Heaven would contain more than just tapestries - more likely it would be one of the (if not /the/) most beautiful, exotic, eclectic (and functional) Reliquary displays to be found anywhere in the Symphony! Cheers, Shane. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:56:41 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Baby Angels - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy [mailto:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] At 10:44 PM -0400 6/3/02, Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: >From: Eric Eves [mailto:eeves@erskine.edu] > >Ah, but what if /both/ parents were Lilim? > >They're smart enough to not go around pissing momma off. *snicker* Here, have a cookie. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor Hah!!! True value! And you people want to use Essence as currency! DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. I've been mulling over what seems like a popular 'alternate' origin of Kronos- that he's the Metatron. And I've decided I don't terribly like the idea, really. I do wonder, however. Yves' Master distinction allows an angel to duplicate the Resonance and Dissonance for another Choir. What would happen if an angel were to request Yves' own choir attunment? And what if said angel then Fell? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:28:04 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. > I do wonder, however. Yves' Master distinction allows an angel to > duplicate the Resonance and Dissonance for another Choir. What would > happen if an angel were to request Yves' own choir attunment? Errr...Yves isn't any Choir though. What attunment are you referring to? > And what if said angel then Fell? A very painful Soul Death if Yves gets to him first. And Angelic attunements are stripped away upon Falling so I don't think anything of consequence would happen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:31:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: Re: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. W S said: It's an interesting idea, but... > I do wonder, however. Yves' Master distinction allows > an angel to duplicate the Resonance and Dissonance for > another Choir. What would happen if an angel were to > request Yves' own choir attunment? "Request"? Do you really think Yves doesn't just grant the choir resonance that he feels will be most appropriate and/or helpful to the angel? "And what other kind of angel do *you* want to be?" sounds Novalitan to me. Yves has more of a "Here, you'll need this" approach. YMMV, of course. Now, one of the sources of Yves's current frustration and withdrawal could be that Kronos was one of his Master-level servitors, and when it came time to award the Distinction, Yves looked into the Symphony for the answer, discovered that he was meant to grant Kronos the abilities of his own pseudo-choir and that the result would lead to Kronos Falling, and granted the Distinction and Outcast the angel in the same breath... - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:49:32 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: IN> Yves ad God? I disagree. - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Anthony [mailto:anthoch@earlham.edu] Now, one of the sources of Yves's current frustration and withdrawal could be that Kronos was one of his Master-level servitors, and when it came time to award the Distinction, Yves looked into the Symphony for the answer, discovered that he was meant to grant Kronos the abilities of his own pseudo-choir and that the result would lead to Kronos Falling, and granted the Distinction and Outcast the angel in the same breath... - -EDG I'm not fond of this outlook on Yves. He might grant the Distinction knowing that it risked leading Kronos to Fall, but to outcast Kronos at the moment of granting it seems to be taking away any free will Kronos might have. Yves might know the future, tho I've seen nothing to say he knows it the same way that God does, but he still has to give everyone the chance to exercise their free will. I actually don't see Yves as "knowing" the future so much as having such a perfect understanding of the symphony and human and angelic nature that he can accurately predict many things, but he can still hope that they choose the greater glory of God instead of selfishness. Hmm.. Been re-working and re-writing a version of Hope for three weeks now and not liking it. Maybe I should just give the word to Yves and leave it alone. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:50:04 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. - --- Christopher Anthony wrote: > W S said: > > It's an interesting idea, but... > > > I do wonder, however. Yves' Master distinction > allows > > an angel to duplicate the Resonance and Dissonance > for > > another Choir. What would happen if an angel were > to > > request Yves' own choir attunment? > > "Request"? Do you really think Yves doesn't just > grant the choir > resonance that he feels will be most appropriate > and/or helpful to the > angel? > "And what other kind of angel do *you* want to be?" > sounds Novalitan > to me. Yves has more of a "Here, you'll need this" > approach. > YMMV, of course. I disagree. Yves, in my mind, has a perspective about the angels that is comparable to what the angels have towards humanity. Pushing them into making their choices for them is less productive than providing them options. Simply altering an angel's nature so radically without asking that angel's permission... even if Yves' knows it's for the best, I can't see that working except in a relativly dark setting. That, and I've tinkering (in my head) with the idea of Kronos having been a Servitor of Destiny who Fell a long, LONG time ago. Long enough to have thereafter served under Gebbelith, and eventually erase his own name from the Book, as a favor for outstanding service- outstanding service rendered due to Kronos' secret, still present connection to the Symphony (retained due to his having aquired Yves' resonance- either because that distinction is permanent enough to survive even a Fall, or because of it's unique nature, whichever). As a consequence of having his Name erased, however, Kronos was blasted- it would have looked like soul-death (Heart shattered, Force stripped, etcetc). It leaves a gibbering mad renegade demon on Earth who's eyes still burn with the Symphony... > > Now, one of the sources of Yves's current > frustration and withdrawal > could be that Kronos was one of his Master-level > servitors, and when > it came time to award the Distinction, Yves looked > into the Symphony > for the answer, discovered that he was meant to > grant Kronos the > abilities of his own pseudo-choir and that the > result would lead to > Kronos Falling, and granted the Distinction and > Outcast the angel in > the same breath... > -EDG > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:03:00 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Man from L.I.M.B.O. >Heaven & Hell, p.79. "Humans and ethereal spirits, and even stranger >beings (for example, ceslestial Children of the Grigori) have also found >their way into Limbo on rare occasions." A sorceror as a plastic surgeon? [the] Langtree Idealized Manufactured Body Organization "Just climb into the tank and, in a few weeks, the chemicals and enzymes will have produced your ideal body." What really happens is that the subject is sent to Limbo. The tank is really a self powered relic/1 reliquary/1 that sends Essence to the subject via the Celestial Song of Tongues. Your assignment, Celestials, is to shut them down. Of secondary importance is to find out who is behind this and why they are doing it. [Especially if a player serves Jean or Vapula.] Doodle Doodle Dee, Wubba Wubba Wubba, BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:40:49 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Kronos as the Metatron? I disagree. From: "W S" > > I do wonder, however. Yves' Master distinction allows > an angel to duplicate the Resonance and Dissonance for > another Choir. What would happen if an angel were to > request Yves' own choir attunment? > > And what if said angel then Fell? It would probably still be able to use that one choir's resonance (and be stuck with its dissonance conditions,) but IIRC, Yves's distinction can only be used to duplicate *one* choir's ability. As the person who (as far as I have been able to verify) first suggested that Kronos was Metatron before the Fall, I like it for two reasons: Firstly, it satisfies my curiosity about how a demon prince could grant angelic abilities (since even Lucifer can't do that, as far as we know,) and it also allows for at least one possible explanation of why Lucifer is able to grant Words - that he is either tapping into Forces that were torn from Metatron during its near-death, or that he is subtly forcing Kronos to grant them as his proxy (either with or without Kronos' knowledge of this taking place.) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2663 ********************************