in_nomine-digest Saturday, June 15 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2676 In this digest: Re: IN> Shamanism: Limits set ws RE: IN> Shamanism PT3 Wolf Eagle & Cat RE: IN> Shamanism: Limits set (ds1) RE: IN> Shamanism: Limits set (ds1) Re: IN> Shamanism PT xxx Re: IN> Shamanism: Limits set RE: IN> Shamanism PT3 Wolf Eagle & Cat Re: IN> Shamanism: Limits set ws IN> RE:Limits set kish, tech difficulties IN> Shamanism PT6 Poly Totemism & Stuff IN> Shamanism PT6 Poly Totemism & Stuff Re: IN> Dominic's Kitten Re: IN> Shamanism: Limits set Re: IN> Dominic's Kitten Re: IN>RE: Techinal Difficulties (But about IN too) IN> Dammit. Re: IN> Rocky Horror Demon Show RE: IN> Stones of David Re: IN> Yet more Undead IN> Living Artifact ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:29:36 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Shamanism: Limits set ws >From: W S >IMO, >The limits which exist in IN (and most other good >games) exist for the purpose of balance and >definition, *nods* I set the limits of the genus/blood line/heritage of the differning countries for the basis of what type of shamanism they might follow. This to me keeps a balance. >Balance: If everyone can do everything, then the >reaches a simple stalemate in a hurry. *nods* Tell me about it. If a rabbit shama could grow claws like the cat shaman why bother being a cat shaman when you can be uber fertile and have claws? Each totem gives specific powers/gifts to those that follow its ways. Just as each AA/DP gives certain powers/attunements to those A's/D's that follow ITs ways. >So people have >limited abilities which encourage teamwork and >cooporation between a group. No body likes the mage with -10 ac, 10000000hp and the vorpal longsword of everything killing +100000 do they. >Definition: Providing a visual image for the celestial >forms and suchlike. Creating (from world wide knowledge and crafts) the outlooks of the totemic guide/forms that jordi appears in. >Racial limits serve neither purpose, unless those >races have inherent balance issues or because it >breaks the definition too far. So angels will not when in the new york 'hood' ask for the vessal that is appropriate for that area that will allow them to blend in and do their job better then..? >Frankly, given the >fair number of RL counterexamples that have been >shown, limiting shamanism (which is a sorta neat idea >that I'll probally steal, in some form, for my own >games) is silly. You like the idea, you might borrow ideas from the concepts i have given forth, yet at the same time you dont like it? Hows that work? You like the idea that it is limited yet you dont like it limited? >And your primary defense seems to >be that 'it's a game, you can retcon it however you >like'. While true, it's not much of a reason. All i done was post to the list some stuiff about how shamanism fits in the the heavely side (not totally, but some of it). That folks seem to think im racist just because i post real life reasons is not my fault. Humanity doesnt like to be shown its crimes, it does anything to get away from it, yet it claws for the glory of others. >Who just had another awful idea. Dark Malakim are >insane, Discord wracked monsters... and they can't >Fall... but what if a Malakim were to try and Jump? Comet in reverse? ;) Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:38:56 -0500 From: "Brook Freeman" Subject: RE: IN> Shamanism PT3 Wolf Eagle & Cat > 5: Howl of the Wolf > 5-6: If the victim fails a willpower roll, they will be frozen to > the spot > (for corporeal forces of the shaman seconds X2. Once that time > has passed, > they will be considered as per CD 3-4 (only having failed the will roll) > If they succeed then they are considered as per CD 3-4. They should probably get snapped out of this if physically attacked (or at very least get a second check) and drop down to the 3-4 result. Brook Freeman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:35:27 +0000 From: "Kish Moore" Subject: RE: IN> Shamanism: Limits set (ds1) I just wanted an answer to my question of why a person's skin color matters. Your answer is, in my understanding, because you don't want black people to be druids or white people to be African shaman. <> But, as you've written them, they serve Jordi (and Ethereals). And while the Ethereals might take a human quality like racism into account...it would be dissonant if Jordi did. <<*smiles* So, what your saying is it might never happen but it can yes? Ok, lets look at what ive said so far.. Shamans can work for jordi. Going by your statment this is fine yes? Shamans can work for ethereal sprits this is fine yes? You however do not like the real life things i put in to my games such as racism? Then prey you never have the chance to play in any of my games, not even WoD or AD&D. Racism and Clanism and Tribism is rampant. >> But not among Archangels, especially ones who have "acting like a human" as their biggest taboo. <> As old as...oh yeah, that species Jordi is philosophically dedicated to not acting like. Now, the shaman might balk at acting in a role contrary to his (or her) human culture...but you gave them Jordi's dissonance conditions. "I'm white, so I'll become a druid...OWW!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:36:25 +0000 From: "Kish Moore" Subject: RE: IN> Shamanism: Limits set (ds1) Sorry about that, Cas, I think I accidentally CC'd you a copy of that email. (This mail program is a pain, but it's better than nothing.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:36:29 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Shamanism PT xxx >From: BC Petery >I'd just make Shamen like Soldiers for the Etherials. That way you can have >"Mystic Warriors", too. I did mention that in one of me other posts, but that fact has been ignored. Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:40:13 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Shamanism: Limits set >From: Michael Walton > > But hey, why isnt there a black AA? > > Because my version of Raziel isn't canon. 0;> ;) When you think about all of the AA's at one point in human form were tan skinned. Its only throughthe globalisation, and common art have they since been portrayed as fair skinned and fair haired. Khalid is perhaps the only represented AA that is close to what an AA used to look like.. Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:45:21 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: RE: IN> Shamanism PT3 Wolf Eagle & Cat >From: "Brook Freeman" > > > 5: Howl of the Wolf > > > 5-6: If the victim fails a willpower roll, they will be frozen to > > the spot > > (for corporeal forces of the shaman seconds X2. Once that time > > has passed, > > they will be considered as per CD 3-4 (only having failed the will roll) > > If they succeed then they are considered as per CD 3-4. > >They should probably get snapped out of this if physically attacked (or at >very least get a second check) and drop down to the 3-4 result. > >Brook Freeman *nods* ADDENDUM When the victim is sucessfully attacked (or wounded) they will automatically drop down to the next CD ratting lower, ie 5-6 becomes 3-4, and 3-4 becomes 1-2. This should be applied to the powers that are similar in other totems. Cheers Brook. Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:07:11 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> Shamanism: Limits set ws > So angels will not when in the new york 'hood' ask > for the vessal that is > appropriate for that area that will allow them to > blend in and do their job > better then..? They might. A smart celestial would. But they don't have to. Whereas your shamans have to be from X bloodline to be Y shaman. Only ethnic heritage matters as to what sort of shaman they can be. This isn't a balance issue (human ethnicity not being used as a mechanic in IN) and isn't a definiton issue (because there are RL counterexamples, and to say that they are outside of the majority and therefor should not be used as counterexamples is /extremely/ weak reasoning). Therefore, yes, to say that shamans /must/ (not often, not usally, not frequently, not 99.99999% of the time- but must, without exception) come from a certain ethnicity to practice a certain style seems pointless and suggests racism, even where no racism exists. Racist in the sense of 'the various ethnicities of man are seperate and inherently inequal due to fundamentally racial, rather than cultural, reasons'. > You like the idea, you might borrow ideas from the > concepts i have given > forth, yet at the same time you dont like it? > Hows that work? > You like the idea that it is limited yet you dont > like it limited? Easy. I like what I've learned of shamans, but not your mechanics or some of the thematic issues around them. So, I take the idea of shamans (as naturalistic Sorcerers / Ethereal Soldiers / Soldiers of Jordi) and use it elsewise. > All i done was post to the list some stuiff about > how shamanism fits in the > the heavely side (not totally, but some of it). > That folks seem to think im racist just because i > post real life reasons is > not my fault. Your real life reason ignores real life counterexamples, and relies on semi-mythic links to blood that are soundly not RL. You're imposing your cosmology on the game, not vice versa. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:59:43 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> RE:Limits set kish, tech difficulties This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_68ca_1479_3ed4 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Kish Moore" Sorry about that, Cas, I think I accidentally CC'd you a copy of that email. (This mail program is a pain, but it's better than nothing.) S'ok, i cc all my messages to myself as well anyways so i wouldnt have noticed if i received it more than a couple of times. Also the list seems all Snafoo'd atm. Is the list changing servers or anything? Does anyone know anything about the sudden glut of posts that are from a few days ago, or indeed a week or so ago in a couple of cases.. Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------=_NextPart_000_68ca_1479_3ed4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.237.26]) by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:35:41 -0700 Received: from lists.io.com ([199.170.88.15]) by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:35:12 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id NAA14098 for in_nomine-l-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:40:56 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f184.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.184]) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14095 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:40:53 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:36:25 -0700 Received: from 134.154.6.45 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:36:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.154.6.45] From: "Kish Moore" To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: RE: IN> Shamanism: Limits set (ds1) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:36:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 18:36:25.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[63C37910:01C213D2] Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Return-Path: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sorry about that, Cas, I think I accidentally CC'd you a copy of that email. (This mail program is a pain, but it's better than nothing.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here - ------=_NextPart_000_68ca_1479_3ed4-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:10:31 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Shamanism PT6 Poly Totemism & Stuff Instead of three more totems, i have instead put up about shamans who follow more thn one totem, and about items the shaman may have as gifts from his patron (be it it the AA of Animals or Ethereal Totemic Spirits). When i have more of the totems written up, i will put them directly to a web page, and to the other IN List. I dont want beth salapping my wrists for the sheer amount of volume that has happened in the last few days of posting after all. Hmm, i think that for the last few days, Moe, Edg and the others have had a nice little break, allowing us to do the hard work for a change. Well, onwards and upwards.. Poly-Totemic Shamans Some shamans follow the paths of many totems. These rare and powerful shamans are able to choose up to Celestial Forces in totems to follow the ways of. However, they can only choose a second totem once they have achieved the third level ritual of their primary totem. If they wish to follow the ways of a third totem, they must have at least the third level in the secondary totems rituals, and the fourth level in the primary totems ritual path, and so on. The ways of Poly-Totemic Shamanism is not an easy one, and Jordi often extracts an oath from the shaman for each totem they wish to expand in to. Along with the Oaths Jordi also swears the shaman to protect an animal that he follows the totemic ways of. The oaths are similar to Malakite oaths. However the first of which is always: I Shall Not Allow Any Animal Under My Care To Come To Harm. If the shaman s ward animal does come to harm, then he loses on level of ritual per day that the animal is suffering. If the animal is injured he must make a concerted effort to heal the animal. Only when it is fully healed will he gain the ritual powers back at one per month. If the animal is too poorly then he must kill it cleanly, swiftly and especially painlessly. If he does have to kill an animal in such away, then he may use the bones and skins of the animal to make enchanted items. If however jordi disagrees with the method of death, the shaman is often stripped of all powers and gifts. Often Jordi also swears oaths from the singular totemic shamans (especially when they achieve the fourth level of ritual), and they suffer in the same way if they do not fulfil their obligations. Artefacts for Totemic Shamans. I have not done points cost for any of these things; they should be handed out as the gm wishes with regards to adventures and games. Totem Pole. The totem pole is a physical representation of the animal the shaman follows the ways of. It may have a number of different animals represented on it, but the Totem Spirit of the shaman is always at the top and bottom of the pole. Any rituals performed in its presence last twice as long as normal. The totem pole must be at least the same size as the shaman and must be handcrafted by them. The totem pole is an American Indian (1) item, however, other shamans may have a similar effect with Stone/Wooden Circles, Sacred Glades, Sacred Caverns & Tikis. Mask of the Totem Spirit. These items look like the animals head that they represent. They allow the wearer to gain one ability of that totem in question. They act as a talisman (of varying levels) that gift the user with additional skill in one area that is commonly associated with the animal the mask represents. Some Masks have been known to act as reliliquaries as well, but the essence stored in them can only be used during a ceremony dedicated to the animal totem spirit, and only be used by the shaman wearing it. Medicine Bag. This artefact is many things all at once; it allows +1 (per 2 levels) to the TN of any Medicine/First Aid type rolls the character must make. Secondly Medicine in the American Indian sense did not always mean healing of the body, but also spirit and mind as well. The Medicine Bag allows the character to use the Song of Healing in any of its three formats at the level according to the level of the artefact. However, with every 2 uses the item will degrade in rating to the next lowest level. This may be averted IF the shaman collects natural plants, herbs and other items that may be used in the bag. IE: Spring water (for cleansing wounds), Rabbits foot (deemed lucky to the soul), cloves for numbing pain and so forth. This ensures the shaman knows the land about him, and how to remain in balance with it whilst learning the benefits of many plants and herbs. (1) Even then, it is not used by all tribes and shamans from the american indian craft. The best way to find what would be suitable for a characters -totem pole- artefact is to look around online and study abit about the beliefs of that culture. Many thanks to M. Walton for his comments in the other group that have made me reword/re write some of these items Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:11:50 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Shamanism PT6 Poly Totemism & Stuff Instead of three more totems, i have instead put up about shamans who follow more thn one totem, and about items the shaman may have as gifts from his patron (be it it the AA of Animals or Ethereal Totemic Spirits). When i have more of the totems written up, i will put them directly to a web page, and to the other IN List. I dont want beth salapping my wrists for the sheer amount of volume that has happened in the last few days of posting after all. Hmm, i think that for the last few days, Moe, Edg and the others have had a nice little break, allowing us to do the hard work for a change. Well, onwards and upwards.. Poly-Totemic Shamans Some shamans follow the paths of many totems. These rare and powerful shamans are able to choose up to Celestial Forces in totems to follow the ways of. However, they can only choose a second totem once they have achieved the third level ritual of their primary totem. If they wish to follow the ways of a third totem, they must have at least the third level in the secondary totems rituals, and the fourth level in the primary totems ritual path, and so on. The ways of Poly-Totemic Shamanism is not an easy one, and Jordi often extracts an oath from the shaman for each totem they wish to expand in to. Along with the Oaths Jordi also swears the shaman to protect an animal that he follows the totemic ways of. The oaths are similar to Malakite oaths. However the first of which is always: I Shall Not Allow Any Animal Under My Care To Come To Harm. If the shaman s ward animal does come to harm, then he loses on level of ritual per day that the animal is suffering. If the animal is injured he must make a concerted effort to heal the animal. Only when it is fully healed will he gain the ritual powers back at one per month. If the animal is too poorly then he must kill it cleanly, swiftly and especially painlessly. If he does have to kill an animal in such away, then he may use the bones and skins of the animal to make enchanted items. If however jordi disagrees with the method of death, the shaman is often stripped of all powers and gifts. Often Jordi also swears oaths from the singular totemic shamans (especially when they achieve the fourth level of ritual), and they suffer in the same way if they do not fulfil their obligations. Artefacts for Totemic Shamans. I have not done points cost for any of these things; they should be handed out as the gm wishes with regards to adventures and games. Totem Pole. The totem pole is a physical representation of the animal the shaman follows the ways of. It may have a number of different animals represented on it, but the Totem Spirit of the shaman is always at the top and bottom of the pole. Any rituals performed in its presence last twice as long as normal. The totem pole must be at least the same size as the shaman and must be handcrafted by them. The totem pole is an American Indian (1) item, however, other shamans may have a similar effect with Stone/Wooden Circles, Sacred Glades, Sacred Caverns & Tikis. Mask of the Totem Spirit. These items look like the animals head that they represent. They allow the wearer to gain one ability of that totem in question. They act as a talisman (of varying levels) that gift the user with additional skill in one area that is commonly associated with the animal the mask represents. Some Masks have been known to act as reliliquaries as well, but the essence stored in them can only be used during a ceremony dedicated to the animal totem spirit, and only be used by the shaman wearing it. Medicine Bag. This artefact is many things all at once; it allows +1 (per 2 levels) to the TN of any Medicine/First Aid type rolls the character must make. Secondly Medicine in the American Indian sense did not always mean healing of the body, but also spirit and mind as well. The Medicine Bag allows the character to use the Song of Healing in any of its three formats at the level according to the level of the artefact. However, with every 2 uses the item will degrade in rating to the next lowest level. This may be averted IF the shaman collects natural plants, herbs and other items that may be used in the bag. IE: Spring water (for cleansing wounds), Rabbits foot (deemed lucky to the soul), cloves for numbing pain and so forth. This ensures the shaman knows the land about him, and how to remain in balance with it whilst learning the benefits of many plants and herbs. (1) Even then, it is not used by all tribes and shamans from the american indian craft. The best way to find what would be suitable for a characters -totem pole- artefact is to look around online and study abit about the beliefs of that culture. Many thanks to M. Walton for his comments in the other group that have made me reword/re write some of these items Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:19:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Dominic's Kitten - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > > Is Dominic's kitten canon? > > No. It was first mentioned with the submission > of the Angel of the > Selfless Gift. Maybe that should be part of the FAQ... > > > And what is its name? I have seen three or four > different stories mentioning > > the kitten and each calls it by a different name. > > The name is whatever the writer thinks it should > be. With the 'understanding' that naming the kitten after a famous human lawgiver is de rigeur. > Of course, there is > a certain futility of naming an animal that won't > come when you call it. Truth. ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:33:02 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Shamanism: Limits set > > But hey, why isnt there a black AA? > > Because my version of Raziel isn't canon. 0;> > If you get a chance, e-mail me. In a fit of almost Kobal-worthy snideity, I took a moment to cast up a snarkishly quasi-tasteless IN da Hood, a la Keenan Ivory-Wayans' 'In Living Color'. I have no ideas WHY I did this, other than a burst of annoyance at some whom I share an ethnicity with (and having to deal with some of the worst of the examples on the phone doing technical support*), and it actually is not as offensive as I could have made it+, so if ever I should hit upon a moment of raw, perfect brilliance, I may just go ahead and do up the results in a list-consumable manner. Kamika-Z, not sure if it is REALLY Wrong Hurting Fun or its backwards, derivitive cousin, satire... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:44:51 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic's Kitten From: "Maurice Lane" > > > Of course, there is > > a certain futility of naming an animal that won't > > come when you call it. > > Truth. ;) That's why the Judge I named it after when I wrote it into a story was Crater. ;:;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>RE: Techinal Difficulties (But about IN too) - --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" wrote: > IN deja vu; caused by Vapu Tech misfiring on a scale > grander than he could > have wished? Or Jean's Tech-Nazis editing your brain > from something you shouldn't have seen? Just another service provided by your friendly Malakim in Black. 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:52:34 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> Dammit. Please accept my apologies for the early posting of part 2. I hadn't intended it to post until tomorrow, but somehow Eudora's queueing system decided that it was time to send it off. (In fact, perspicacious readers will note the odd date.) Again, I'm very sorry about this. Sorry, EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:44:22 -0300 From: "vez o'rama" Subject: Re: IN> Rocky Horror Demon Show >From: trupke@captainamericafans.com >Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:07:31 -0700 (PDT) >Apparently, it stuck. Imagine the surprise when the person the Shedite >possessed went on to write a musical based on the idea. Which fits with my theory that Eli is responsible... Come on, it's a fun movie :) - - vez, doing the time warp since 1975 :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:46:58 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Stones of David - -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Lane [mailto:moelane_1999@yahoo.com] - --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" wrote: > > "You've got the Stones of David" > > This might refer to the little David > that slew Goliath, Being a refined individual who _NEVER_ goes for jokes that involve male sexual organs, I will of course refrain from pointing out that the above sentence can be taken in a completely ribald (dare I say, kinky?) way...* Moe I've never quibbled, if it was ribald. I would devour where others merely nibbled. As the Judge remarked the day that he aquited my Aunt Hortence To be smut it must be ut - terly without redeeming social importance. "Smut" Tom Leher Who surely was possesed by a Shedite of Andy's when he wrote it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:38:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Yet more Undead At 10:11 PM -0700 6/7/02, Maurice Lane wrote: [...] >You see, while individual sprigs of >Vampire Ivy may not be so tough, nobody ever >encounters just one sprig. These buggers usually hunt >in packs of about, say, twenty or so. > >That tends to change the tactical situation a bit. As the angel poured the gasoline over her head and lit a match, she muttered, "Sometimes, it's REAL good to be an Ofanite of Fire..." *FOOOMP* "Shame about the shirt, though." (*hee hee hee* Moe, that's twisted. So, what does Friend of the Gardeners do to these things? Crown of Joy?) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:07:01 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Living Artifact This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2153F.15AE42A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy folks! :) I'm GMing an IN campaign with a friend. We're both joint GMs (we each = run adventures we write ourselves, with the other GM playing in the = adventures he doesn't GM) and we have another six players who are just = playing and not GMing. Anyway, I've been thinking about making a character who is actually a = living artifact. He was created by a servitor of Eli shortly before he = Fell (or was soul-killed, or something). The character is incredibly = skilled at making artifacts too. I'm not sure which rules I intend on = using to create him, whether I use normal celestial rules, human rules = or whatever. I was thinking of making him according to the rules for = Menunim (the idea being that he has an incredible natural affinity for = picking up on people's emotions but, since he's spent the last x years = alone, he finds it hard to communicate with people). The thing is, he's = not actually a living artifact in that he's a soul trapped in an object. = Rather, he is a creature made purely out of Primordial Clay. This gives = him his talent for artifice, and also enables him to use many = shape-shifting songs. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on what = sort of rules I should use, or even ideas for background, history, etc? = I haven't seen anything from the Ethereal Players Guide (since I'm not a = Pyramid subscriber), but perhaps there are some things in that that = would be approriate, given his ephemeral nature? Thanks, Milan. (by the way, those of you who play Brass and Steel Mush will know me as = The Cobbler :)). - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2153F.15AE42A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy folks! :) I'm GMing an IN campaign with a friend. = We're both=20 joint GMs (we each run adventures we write ourselves, with the other GM=20 playing in the adventures he doesn't GM) and we have another six = players=20 who are just playing and not GMing. Anyway, I've been thinking about making = a character=20 who is actually a living artifact. He was created by a servitor of Eli = shortly=20 before he Fell (or was soul-killed, or something). The character is = incredibly=20 skilled at making artifacts too. I'm not sure which rules I intend on = using to=20 create him, whether I use normal celestial rules, human rules or = whatever. I was=20 thinking of making him according to the rules for Menunim (the idea = being that=20 he has an incredible natural affinity for picking up on people's = emotions but,=20 since he's spent the last x years alone, he finds it hard to communicate = with=20 people). The thing is, he's not actually a living artifact in that he's = a soul=20 trapped in an object. Rather, he is a creature made purely out of = Primordial=20 Clay. This gives him his talent for artifice, and also enables him to = use many=20 shape-shifting songs. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on what = sort of=20 rules I should use, or even ideas for background, history, etc? I = haven't seen=20 anything from the Ethereal Players Guide (since I'm not a Pyramid = subscriber),=20 but perhaps there are some things in that that would be approriate, = given his=20 ephemeral nature? Thanks, =20 Milan. (by the way, those of you who play = Brass and Steel=20 Mush will know me as The Cobbler :)). - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2153F.15AE42A0-- ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2676 ********************************