in_nomine-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2680 In this digest: Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of Archangels? Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... Re: IN> fan material Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of Archangels? Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... RE: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of Archangels? Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... Re: IN> Dominic, without the Hood (RE: Ethnic backgrounds) IN> New Group Re: IN> New Group IN> Adventure IN> Re: Ethnic backgrounds for archangels IN>Da Hood, now with extra HyperText Flavor! Re: IN> New Group IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys IN> Attitudes on humans Re: IN> New Group Re: IN> Attitudes on humans Re: IN> Adventure Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys Re: IN> Attitudes on humans IN> [ADMIN] GNEZDA is u n s ubscribed. Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... Re: IN> Dominic, without the Hood (RE: Ethnic backgrounds) Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys IN> Beleth's celesstial form? Re: IN> Beleth's celesstial form? Re: IN> Beleth's celesstial form? Re: IN> Dominic, without the Hood (RE: Ethnic backgrounds) Re: IN> Dominic, without the Hood (RE: Ethnic backgrounds) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:40:17 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of Archangels? >>I find it far easier to just say that a Superior is going to show up in >>whatever Vessel would blend in. > >Change "Superior" to "celestial" and you've got my vote ... I'd argue that, based on comments made beforehand. Furfurites and Malphans are very good examples; I could see the two of them actually working together to, say, do a bit of Blockbusting. An IN game based on 'Flight helps point out that the war isn't all about who has the biggest guns. Kamika-Z, with his skewed ideas on gaming... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:18:27 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... Charles Glasgow wrote: > > >From: BC Petery > >Subject: IN> Jumping Malakim... > >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:50:49 -0400 > > >I don't see how KK gets a Geas by allowing a Malakite to destroy her > >Vessel. > > "I shall not suffer an Evil to live, if it is my choice." > > This Oath covers Vessel-killing as well as soul-killing. If KK can get a > successful look in a Malakite's eyes, that's at least a Need/1 (and probably > no more than a Need/2, given that it's not much of an effort for her to > fulfill the Need given how cheaply Kobal is subsidizing her Vessel > replacement. Maybe a Need/3 if you consider Trauma 'significant risk'.) How hard it is for /her/ to fulfill it doesn't matter. What matters is how hard it would be for the Malakite to fulfill it. And unless I'm mistaken, looking at her stats, that should make it a Need/0. "Fight or don't--it won't matter either way!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:55:46 +0000 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> fan material >At 5:01 AM +0000 6/17/02, Perry Lloyd wrote: >>I really liked the Liber Servitorum, if I'm not mistaken, much of that >>book >>came from us fans (myself included). > >Yup. Look at the back of the book and count the authors. Woo. > >>Did the book do well? > >I haven't heard any figures for, er, a while now. Since I'm not being >leaned on to do another, I presume it didn't sell out its print run in >six months or less... hrm >>If so, if there any potential, and this is directed more at the higher ups >>here, for other fan-driven/created books? > >I doubt that there's going to be one of those in the near future. bummer, a lot of the people on this list have contributed so much ... >>* fan art? > >INC. There's even a section... O:> not that a book of fan art would necessarily sell all that well anyway. hrm, I don't remember seeing that section, I do believe I shall seek it out! >>Hell, I'd pay $25 for a copy of Dark Victory complemented with art (for >>instance). Sure, I could stuff about it free on-line, just like I can get >>a >>lot of stuff free on-line, but there's nothing quite like holding a book >>in >>your hand with inspiring art-work to boot. > >If you and 3,000 other people would do that, then there would likely be a >Dark Victory book. Deposit to my paypal account and I'll see that the >money is held in trust till the book appears. O:> 48 pager, say? Or has >it gotten to the 128 page stage? heh. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ Envoyez et recevez des messages Hotmail sur votre p鲩ph鲩que mobile : http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:57:45 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kish" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... > How hard it is for /her/ to fulfill it doesn't matter. What matters is > how hard it would be for the Malakite to fulfill it. *bonks self on head with clue stick* > And unless I'm mistaken, looking at her stats, that should make it a > Need/0. "Fight or don't--it won't matter either way!" Need/1, actually -- as trivial an effort as fetching a pack of gum. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:51:07 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of Archangels? >I am starting to think that ethnicity of Superiors should be added to the >list of banned topics. *sigh* I'm starting to agree with you. Janet Anderson (getting out the ten-foot pole again) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:07:05 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... >From: BC Petery >Subject: IN> Jumping Malakim... >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:50:49 -0400 >I don't see how KK gets a Geas by allowing a Malakite to destroy her >Vessel. "I shall not suffer an Evil to live, if it is my choice." This Oath covers Vessel-killing as well as soul-killing. If KK can get a successful look in a Malakite's eyes, that's at least a Need/1 (and probably no more than a Need/2, given that it's not much of an effort for her to fulfill the Need given how cheaply Kobal is subsidizing her Vessel replacement. Maybe a Need/3 if you consider Trauma 'significant risk'.) >I'd think a Malakite would Need to destroy her Celestialy. That's a Need/6, but KK would Choose not to fulfill that one. :) >Especially if that Malakite owed her for a Vessel killing. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:36:13 +0000 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: RE: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of Archangels? >- --- "William J. Keith" wrote: >>Yves is also well-described. Pity >>about the >>cigarettes, though. [snip] So why does he do it? > > Because it was originally a French game, and the French >don't have the same love/hate relationship with Big Tobacco >that we Americans have? Could be, or because Yves focuses on more of quality of life rather than length? Or maybe just 'cause it's a rendition of George Burns (sfaict). - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos est le moyen le plus simple de partager et d'imprimer vos photos : http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:26:00 -0300 From: "vez o'rama" Subject: Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... >From: "Charles Glasgow" >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:57:45 -0500 >Need/1, actually -- as trivial an effort as fetching a pack of gum. >-- >Chuckg Since the oath is: "Suffer not an evil to live, when it is my choice." ...is KK really fulfilling the need? Has this already been argued? Sorry, if it has, I've only been reading the list for a couple of months. To my thinking, vessel-death doesn't stop the evil from living. Soul-death would, yep, but that geas negates itself, right? ;) Am I missing something? :) - - vez _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:46:53 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic, without the Hood (RE: Ethnic backgrounds) From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > I've generally thought of Blandine as a snow-leopard, and Beleth as > some mutation of a panther. I like the idea of Beleth as a crystalline spider. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> New Group I freely admit that integrating this into a Bright Campaign would be difficult. :) Moe It had taken Alyx a few minutes to work out why her fear was so mixed with the feeling of deja vu - but when it did, the answer was obvious. This wasn't precisely a new situation for her, by any stretch of the imagination. An abandoned warehouse, ritualistic implements, strong chains and the smell of rusty steel, rusty blood and sharp fear - all of these things had been an increasingly common part of her surroundings over the last few years, and had long since lost any negative connotations for her. Indeed, by now such things were inextricably linked with her favorite hobbies. Alyx just never really thought that one day it would be her turn. She was too skilled and useful for - this - to happen to her; she was special, unlike those weaklings and sheep that made up most of humanity. She had been told so. She mattered. She had a place. None of this seemed to matter to her captor; the hulking figure had captured and kidnapped her with contemptuous ease. He had demonstrated no lack of ruthlessness in keeping her s u b dued, either; the Hellsworn had so far lost three teeth and the use of one eye, and the dull roar in her side suggested that at least one of her ribs was broken. Even if - when, always 'when' - she got out of this alive, it would take months before her master would find her useful again, or desirable. This fool would pay. He had gagged her, of course - but Alyx was more than a talking monkey, unlike this deeply disturbed s u b human. She had abilities. She mattered - and she finally had regained enough Essence to make her play. Performing the Song while bound, suspended and gagged was somewhat tricky, but she managed. She had to. *Take me down from here, worm!*, she thought/screamed. At first, she thought that her attempt to make mental contact had failed - but, after a moment, the man stopped and turned to face her. His face was stone. *You heard me. You have made a stupid mistake, and your life is mine to do with as I would. If I am placated, I will let you live - even thrive; but if I am displeased further, then the fires of Hell themselves will gnaw on you forever.* Alyx' master had once shown her a terrifying vision of the parts of Hell reserved for incompetent Soldiers; she now passed it along, with interest. *Do you want to avoid that? Do you? THEN FALL TO YOUR KNEES AND BEG MY FORGIVENESS, WRETCH!* For one glorious moment, Alyx thought that her bluff had worked. Her captor had obviously 'heard' her, and she knew that no human could stand up to the scenes of pain and desolation that she had passed on. Further negotiations would be tricky, and there was no assurance that she could eventually see this scum screaming out his life, but there was a chance - The man casually reached out and bent a nearby steel pipe into a pretzel. The faintest hint of disturbance teased at Alyx' hearing as the taste of victory became ash. She now knew that she was going to die. Immediately, the threats became begging. *No! Wait! I was mistaken! Forgive me!* The man came closer, a battered medical bag in one hand. *I am loyal! Ask anyone!* The man knelt to rearrange a drop cloth and bucket underneath her bound form. *You don't have to do this! We can find someone better to amuse you! I have been trained well in how to provide that service! I am eager to prove my worth!* The bag was now being opened: the overhead bulb shone wetly on the edges of various - things. *It would be wasteful to use me up - - the fact that I can speak to you like this shows that I am valuable! There are those that would be hampered by my death!* Candles were now being lit and ritual circles drawn; Alyx could feel her ability to speak mind-to-mind drain away - and with it, any chance that she could stop this, this - aberration. She threw everything left into her last plea. *DAMN YOU, DEMON! WE'RE ON THE SAME SIDE!* If her last desperate scream of rage and fear affected her killer, he gave no sign. He simply straightened up, checked the tableau, and looked at her. Bizarrely, he checked her pulse - she tried to scratch, at least, but to no avail - and even more bizarrely, touched one finger to her forehead, evidently to gather some sweat. He rolled that sweat on his fingers, smelled it, tasted it - but in a way unlike any she had ever seen before. After a moment, he nodded and spoke the only words that she would ever hear. "Yes. That should be enough." He raised one fist; the sound of her neck breaking accompanied her into unconsciousness. She never noticed, however, that it was not co joined with any disturbance. The Elohite picked up the bone saw. ... Zadkiel doesn't talk much about the fact that certain of her Elohim have been tasked with, frankly, wet work. Not because she regrets the necessity, of course; she doesn't. Those that willfully and unrepentantly walk the dark path don't deserve anything but death. And it's certainly not because she disapproves of their methods; taking advantage of an unfortunate corporeal societal problem is actually quite clever, provided that it doesn't get out of hand. No, Zadkiel's reticence is purely pragmatic. It's just that most people get uncomfortable when they find out that certain members of the Host have Roles as serial killers. The problem is, that sort of Role is really very useful for hiding disturbance that arises from a human's death. Certainly Hell thinks so; they've pioneered this sort of thing for their more disgusting demons. There is a certain satisfaction in turning the tables - well, not really. Zadkiel's Behavioral Specialists do not allow themselves satisfaction. Before you ask, developing this sort of Role is tricky. The optimal course is to actually find an existing serial killer, work out a way to kill him celestially and take over his existing life. Failing that, well, Malakim don't suffer Trauma. Zadkiel doesn't like 'growing' Roles this way - it damages the host society in a variety of ways, but sometimes she doesn't have a choice. At any rate, once the Role is formed the Specialist simply waits until it is assigned a Hellsworn that fits the ritual profile. Zadkiel only picks the worst servants of Hell for removal - again, because it's pragmatic to do so. The Archangel of Protection is very much an Old Testament sort of angel, when it comes to those who would collude in the damnation of their own species. Needless to say, all Specialists are on Dominic's permanent Watch List; he yanks them off duty at the first hint that they might be suffering from s u b jectivity. He also insists that any specific Role be strictly short-term. It probably disturbs him, though, that Behavioral Specialists do not seem to be particularly u n s table (unless overworked, of course). After all, it's just a job. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:02:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> New Group On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Maurice Lane wrote: > I freely admit that integrating this into a Bright > Campaign would be difficult. :) > Maybe. This is dark, ugly, nasty and unsettling. I _like_ it! :) I wouldn't manage to build a campaign this dark, and neither would my players enjoy it I think. But to use this as an Angst-device, spreading a little healthy paranoia and doubt among angelic PC's otoh... _That_ I would definitely be able and willing to do. The probability of this idea being stolen by Yours Truly is approx. 78,3%.:) Good one Moe! - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:17:55 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Adventure This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C217BD.A2471360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any good ideas as to how I could introduce Mr = Pumpkinhead into the campaign as a PC? The group is composed of a saint = of Gabriel, soldiers (inc one dream soldier) and one 'good' vampire, = plus a demon of Factions who's masquerading as a good vampire (the = 'sire' of the real vampire in the group).=20 I thought maybe they had to either steal an artifact from him, or else = investigate some disturbances (from Mr P making artifacts). After = debriefing with their employer, they're told to 'encourage' Mr P to join = them. Perhaps the employer (not sure yet who) wants to keep tabs on Mr = P, due to his potential as an artificer, or else due to his status as as = artifact (although, this will probably be hidden initially).=20 Any other ideas for really cunning adventures? Also, I'm debating = whether to make Mr P's home in the corporeal realm or the Marches.=20 Thanks again. :) Milan - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C217BD.A2471360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any good ideas as to = how I could=20 introduce Mr Pumpkinhead into the campaign as a PC? The group is = composed of a=20 saint of Gabriel, soldiers (inc one dream soldier) and one 'good' = vampire, plus=20 a demon of Factions who's masquerading as a good vampire (the 'sire' of = the real=20 vampire in the group). I thought maybe they had to either = steal an=20 artifact from him, or else investigate some disturbances (from Mr P = making=20 artifacts). After debriefing with their employer, they're told to = 'encourage' Mr=20 P to join them. Perhaps the employer (not sure yet who) wants to keep = tabs on Mr=20 P, due to his potential as an artificer, or else due to his status as as = artifact (although, this will probably be hidden initially). = Any other ideas for really cunning = adventures?=20 Also, I'm debating whether to make Mr P's home in the corporeal realm or = the=20 Marches. Thanks again. :) Milan - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C217BD.A2471360-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:30:15 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Re: Ethnic backgrounds for archangels This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C217BF.5ADBECB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dunno, I imagine Novalis as being white personally. I imagine her sort = of like that hippy chick in Dark Skies. I can imagine Janus or Michael as a gangsta Samuel L Jackson type, and = Christopher would rock with a Bill Cosby type look. I'd imagine Haagenti = as definitely being Italian, while Asmodeus would be Russian (I see him = as more Cheka-esque than SS-esque). Zadkiel should be Jewish or Italian. = Got that over-protective thing happening. ;) - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C217BF.5ADBECB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dunno, I imagine Novalis as being = white=20 personally. I imagine her sort of like that hippy chick in Dark=20 Skies. I can imagine Janus or Michael as a = gangsta Samuel=20 L Jackson type, and Christopher would rock with a Bill Cosby type look. = I'd=20 imagine Haagenti as definitely being Italian, while Asmodeus would be = Russian (I=20 see him as more Cheka-esque than SS-esque). Zadkiel should be Jewish or = Italian.=20 Got that over-protective thing happening. ;) - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C217BF.5ADBECB0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:43:55 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: IN>Da Hood, now with extra HyperText Flavor! ...but sure as Marches not on the list. http://web2.airmail.net/tanuki/InNomine/IN%20da%20Hood.html I hereby renounce all responsibilities for any replies that end up on the list; those who do are subject, naturally, to the full force of the ArchBethly Beatdowns. I'll take pictures. Kamika-Z, now working on IN de Barrio... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:36:09 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> New Group > I freely admit that integrating this into a Bright Campaign would be > difficult. :) Oh I don't know. I could think of ways to make it fit, even if I don't run a 100% Bright Campaign... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:18:01 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys Thinking about it, only Mercurians and Elioites (and their Diabolical counterparts) would care strongly what their Vessel looked like. I'm given to think that there are angels in Heaven who don't like humans or the idea of a humancentric universe, and that any favor they show to humans is a matter of "just following orders." OTOH, I could see a Lilim as a clothes horse. Taking Vessels as payment from Superiors she would always be able to select a body to match her outfit. ;) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Kamika-Z, sorta doubting the Demon of Gangstah Rap has many light > skinned vessals... Perhaps not, but he does have a servant named Eminem. "I have the strength of ten because my Heart is intact." -Pete Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:33:39 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Attitudes on humans >>I'm given to think that there are angels in Heaven who don't like humans or the idea of a humancentric universe, and that any favor they show to humans is a matter of "just following orders." I think any angel who thinks along those lines already Fell or are well on their way to doing so. Now granted, Malakim and Seraphim usually look down on some humans, but I would disagree that they actively dislike humans. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Group Brrrr. That was eminently disturbing. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:42:16 -0400 From: "Roger Williby" Subject: Re: IN> Attitudes on humans There's a difference between "not liking" and disliking. You might argue that it boils down to semantics. But in my mind not liking something(ie. humans) just means that you don't actively enjoy anything about them. Disliking them is another thing entirely, which would indicate negative feelings towards them. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Adventure - --- G N E Z D A wrote: > Does anyone have any good ideas as to how I could > introduce Mr Pumpkinhead into the campaign as a PC? [snip]> > I thought maybe they had to either steal an artifact from > him, or else investigate some disturbances (from Mr P > making artifacts). Or they could need an Artifact and their angelic boss directs them to "an eccentric Artificer" that (s)he knows - -- and Mr. P just happens to have just completed the item that they need and insists on going along for the field test. > Also, I'm > debating whether to make Mr P's home in the corporeal > realm or the Marches. If he's not working for Dreams, probably in the Corporeal. Otherwise he's too easy to mistake for an Ethereal, and some Tsayadim shoot first and ask questions later (though that's another potential plot hook...). ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys - --- BC Petery wrote: > Thinking about it, only Mercurians and Elioites (and > their Diabolical > counterparts) would care strongly what their Vessel > looked like. Depends on Word. Warriors would probably prefer male Vessels just for the intimidation factor versus Humans. Ethnicity would be a factor for the same reason; in the West, at least, a big Black man is often perceived as scary. Novalans would go the opposite route -- a petite White or Asian woman is non-threatening. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:36:58 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Attitudes on humans >I think any angel who thinks along those lines already Fell or are well on >their way to doing so. I think any angel who thinks along those lines is either working for Jordi or ought to be. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:14:01 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] GNEZDA is u n s ubscribed. For posting HTML to the list after being warned, GNEZDA has been u n s ubscribed. When GNEZDA manages to get Outlook Express to send plain text, GNEZDA can res u b scribe. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:53:15 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys >Thinking about it, only Mercurians and Elioites (and their Diabolical >counterparts) would care strongly what their Vessel looked like. I'm >given to think that there are angels in Heaven who don't like humans or the >idea of a humancentric universe, and that any favor they show to humans is >a matter of "just following orders." I could see that, save that oftentimes, the extent of order following depends on the interfacing with the masses, and the magnitude of success can hinge on the hue of the vessal. Of course, I don't see either of the bodiless celestial-groups having much of a pickiness; whatever works and keeps them from popping back in their Superior's lap. XD > >OTOH, I could see a Lilim as a clothes horse. Taking Vessels as payment >from Superiors she would always be able to select a body to match her >outfit. ;) "Hmmmmmmm, let's see. I've got this GREAT Korean body that would fit PERFECTLY in this chi pao...though it'd not be as snug on the top, or as impressive, as it would be on my greek bod...then again, that vessel's also got WAY too much hip for that dress...ooooh! That bit of faux-Amerind suede lingerie would net me a slew of Geases, with a wink...I think I'll take it..." > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >Kamika-Z, sorta doubting the Demon of Gangstah Rap has many light > > skinned vessals... > >Perhaps not, but he does have a servant named Eminem. > > No. Nononononono. That's a SOLDIER. As opposed to the last one, who was quickly traded to Mammon, for having a silly name and really, really bad hair. Kamika-Z, making no jokes about an Ice-man's chance in Shal Mari... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:00:25 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys >--- BC Petery wrote: > > Thinking about it, only Mercurians and Elioites (and > > their Diabolical > > counterparts) would care strongly what their Vessel > > looked like. > > Depends on Word. Warriors would probably prefer male >Vessels just for the intimidation factor versus Humans. >Ethnicity would be a factor for the same reason; in the >West, at least, a big Black man is often perceived as >scary. Novalans would go the opposite route -- a petite >White or Asian woman is non-threatening. Then again, there's the underlying threat that comes of dealing with an angry, unruly woman of, for lack of better term, 'Jerry Springer Show' caliber; many would cooperate just to keep from having to call in security, or what have you...but then, that could VERY easily backfire. :D Kamika-Z, finding a loathesome catagory that transcends ethnicity... > >===== >Michael Walton, #US2002023848 > "Be aware that most people are operating on a >highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... >the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:15:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Jumping Malakim... At 7:57 PM -0500 6/18/02, Charles Glasgow wrote: >From: "Kish" > >> How hard it is for /her/ to fulfill it doesn't matter. What matters is >> how hard it would be for the Malakite to fulfill it. > >*bonks self on head with clue stick* She does have the Celestial Song of Motion. *bamf* >> And unless I'm mistaken, looking at her stats, that should make it a >> Need/0. "Fight or don't--it won't matter either way!" > >Need/1, actually -- as trivial an effort as fetching a pack of gum. They do add up. O:> (If the GM so desires, of course.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:18:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dominic, without the Hood (RE: Ethnic backgrounds) At 10:46 PM -0500 6/18/02, Prodigal wrote: >From: "Elizabeth McCoy" >> >> I've generally thought of Blandine as a snow-leopard, and Beleth as >> some mutation of a panther. > >I like the idea of Beleth as a crystalline spider. That's viable, but while I could see a couple of felines doing the snuggle-thing, the idea of a snow leopard and a spider just doesn't jel. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:22:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of the little guys At 8:18 AM -0400 6/19/02, BC Petery wrote: >Thinking about it, only Mercurians and Elioites (and their Diabolical >counterparts) would care strongly what their Vessel looked like. Elohim? Elohim don't care about their vessels... Well, they might, but they don't allow it to affect their judgment. They'll speak up if they need a vessel of a particular type to be more _effective_... > I'm given >to think that there are angels in Heaven who don't like humans or the idea >of a humancentric universe, and that any favor they show to humans is a >matter of "just following orders." I don't know about that one, entirely, but one of my NPC-types is a "form snob" -- he's a Seraph, and human vessels are just plain squat and ungainly. Yes, even the tall thin ones. They've got _joints_ and they don't move except at the joints, and it's all very undignified. He almost never manifests his vessel when celestial, either. People who read Maya's Fiat logs may recognize the character... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:34:34 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Beleth's celesstial form? > > > >I like the idea of Beleth as a crystalline spider. > >That's viable, but while I could see a couple of felines doing the >snuggle-thing, the idea of a snow leopard and a spider just doesn't >jel. O:> 1. I think a crystalline spider is entirely too attractive a vessel for the Demon Princess of Nightmares. 2. I thought that when in celestial form, the shape, appendages or lack thereof, etc. was irrelevant to snuggling or anything else the celestial wanted to do (otherwise, how would Seraphim or Ofanim do anything that required hands?). Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:50:49 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Beleth's celesstial form? From: "Janet Anderson" > > 1. I think a crystalline spider is entirely too attractive a vessel for the > Demon Princess of Nightmares. I couldn't think of many animals that would have the immediate reaction of fear and revulsion that a godawfully huge spider would have. And althoutgh I can see where some might find it attractive, Beleth's kind of attraction would be the flame to the moth, drawing in the fascinated one to destruction. So I'm sticking with the spide rimagery, regardless of what anybody else offers me. ;:;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:25:44 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Beleth's celesstial form? Well, I like both crystal and spiders (except the big hairy poisonous kind). I think what is needed for Beleth is some kind of always-on attunement that makes her look like whatever the viewer finds most frightening and repulsive. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:45:53 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic, without the Hood (RE: Ethnic backgrounds) >At 10:46 PM -0500 6/18/02, Prodigal wrote: > >From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > >> > >> I've generally thought of Blandine as a snow-leopard, and Beleth as > >> some mutation of a panther. > > > >I like the idea of Beleth as a crystalline spider. > >That's viable, but while I could see a couple of felines doing the >snuggle-thing, the idea of a snow leopard and a spider just doesn't >jel. O:> > You know, what really doesn't help matters is that one of my roomies portrays herself as a snow leopard. This leads to very, VERY silly mental Blandine imagery with pigtails, raver pants, and jingly bells. Kamika-Z, not -quite- undergoing cognitative dissonance...yet. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:33:04 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic, without the Hood (RE: Ethnic backgrounds) From: "Gregg Forge" > > You know, what really doesn't help matters is that one of my roomies > portrays herself as a snow leopard. This leads to very, VERY silly mental > Blandine imagery with pigtails, raver pants, and jingly bells. > > Kamika-Z, not -quite- undergoing cognitative dissonance...yet. Take a look at the Martyr character from the XBox game Hunter: the Reckoning, in that case: http://www.interplay.com/dbimages/products/screens/hunter_ss3b.jpg Heh... :) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2680 ********************************