in_nomine-digest Monday, June 24 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2684 In this digest: Re: IN> Romance for Lilith Re: IN> O Tom, what hast thou wrought? Re: IN> Romance for Lilith Re: IN> Desktop pictures! IN> Romance for Lilith IN> (plot seed) 'Songlines' RE: IN> Romance for Lilith RE: IN> Romance for Lilith Re: IN> Romance for Lilith Re: IN> (plot seed) 'Songlines' Re: IN> Romance for Lilith Re: IN> Romance for Lilith Re: IN> Romance for Lilith Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of Archangels? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:24:59 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Romance for Lilith >> The First Bad Girl will want the ORIGINAL BadAss. > >I think you might be forgetting Lilith's rabid allergy to aggressively >patriarchal attitudes. Oh, not at all; I didn't say it would be the PERFECT couple, but then, sometimes the most interesting ones are the most dysfunctional-yet-happy-and-intense. > >Not that Michael ever came across as particularily sexist... if nothing >else, he's far too pragmatic to cut himself off from 50% of the available >talent pool to recruit from. It's just that as you point out, Michael is >the Ultimate Alpha Male... which means that about the only way that Michael >*wouldn't* end up "wearing the pants" in a long-term relationship is if his >partner was a master of the "keep giving in until he's exactly where you >want him" approach. (1) > Hold it right there! Michael is an Archangel. He has all the resonances of those who serve him...and while he's the Take Charge sort of guy, he can, when it's 'tactically sound', negotiate for what he wants. And anyone who can challenge Michael, in any way, and keep him smiling, is someone whom he's going to be VERY interested in... >Which Lilith *isn't*. Oh, she's smart enough to have learned it, and >practical enough to do it when she has to... which for the only human >Prince in Hellish politics is pretty durn often... but she doesn't *like* >it. Because it's not on her terms. And neither would things end up purely on Michael's terms; mind you, I have my own reasons for that, including the fact that while Michael is an Alpha Male, Lilith is quite the Alpha Female, herself, and will show him quite a few tricks, and new spins on the ones he's seen before. They're the perfect duelling pair... > >And picking your dream date is about what kind of social interaction you >*want* to have, not about what kind you have to endure. > See my above comment. I think you underestimate Michael's capacity for strategic...maneuvering. :D >But Laurence is *not* the Ultimate Alpha Male. On matters related to his >Word, his Oaths, or his duty, he's unbreakable, unbendable, possessed of >indomitable willpower. Except when it comes to Michael. :) >On matters of the heart... Laurence is, to put it charitably, naive. And >by celestial standards, young and impressionable. *g* > Which makes him such Lilim-bate, granted... >And even a Bright Lilith, IMO, would want to date a Superior where she was >the one -- and the only one -- getting to set the pace and dictate the >terms. With Laurence, that's pretty much guaranteed. With Michael, >there's no chance. > I like to think that Lilith wants more in a man than a pretty face and utter cluelessness. But then, I think highly of the sole Human Princess. Kamika-Z, who can see the old Charlie Atlas adverts... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:46:42 +0000 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> O Tom, what hast thou wrought? >- --- EDG wrote: >>Strange things come to mind on long road trips. >> >>-EDG >> >> >>Larry >>Habbalite of Technology > >But what about the squirrels, man? WHAT ABOUT THE >SQUIRRELS?!? An army of darkness, dude. Trained deep beneath the earth by Jean's Elohim with the secret support of David's Malakim ... pretty scary stuff, actually. Kinda puts all those Hollow Earth freaks to shame. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos est le moyen le plus simple de partager et d'imprimer vos photos : http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:49:57 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Romance for Lilith > > Fall in love, maybe no. Flirt...I can see it. ^^ If > > only to make poor Dominic twitch. > >Heh. Imagine if he flirted back. Stranger things have happened; senior citizen porn, for example... >That wouldn't just make Lilith twitch; it might even make her head >explode. Mike's, too, come to think of it. Actually, that would go a long ways to making the first step in an overdue reconcilliation between the two (three?)...showing that he has a sense of humor. >OK, so that makes _two_ reasons for why he'd do it... > Downside; if Mike's the Jealous Type™, that would be a Very Bad Idea. Kamika-Z ...or, of course, the ante could get upped with each flirtation... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:56:16 +0000 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Desktop pictures! >After an artistic frenzy yesterday, I drew a not-half-bad picture of a >possible Malakite character of mine, and slapped it onto a space-filler to >make a 1024x768 desktop image for my computer. I was wondering, just now, >if >anyone'd be interested in a copy... > >The picture, btw, is this: >http://www.side7.com/cgi-bin/S7SDB/DisplayImg.pl?INO=160261 although the >copy I used for the desktop is considerably less lossy. > >- --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm Kewl ... we need more art like this gathered for the INC. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________ T鬩chargez MSN Explorer gratuitement ࠬ'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:54:57 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Romance for Lilith >I think you might be forgetting Lilith's rabid allergy to aggressively >patriarchal attitudes. Random thought that won't go away: Perhaps Lilith did not leave Eden because she disliked Adam, but because she realized, to paraphrase Douglas Adams, "Your God struck me as the kind of person who puts bricks under hats." Think about it. Rather than putting the stuff He doesn't want you to have out of reach, He sticks it right there in the middle, then goes out of His way to call attention to it. Just imagine Him hiding in the bushes, chortling, "Any minute now, any minute now...," just waiting for A&E to have a go at it so He can jump out and shout at them. When they don't show up He gets tired of waiting and starts pushing Lucifer's buttons, "Look at these hairless monkeys! They're My best work yet!" Lilith, being nobody's fool, got out whole the getting was good. Maybe she invited Adam, too. I like to think she did, and his resistance is what soured their relationship. Did you remember to Spell Check today? BC Petery http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:16:53 +0100 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: IN> (plot seed) 'Songlines' (Warning 1: This borrows from net-canon. Warning 2: Any resemblance to canon - or reality - is unintentional. For Angelic, Demonic, or Ethereal characters, probably in a fairly cinematic or anime-styled campaign) It all started with a webcomic. /Yes/, a webcomic. It's called 'Songlines'. It's a pretty good one, as things go. The basic premise's simple: one day, a young girl called Xeffy (pronounced 'Zeph-ie') saw the King - the one, true King - walking down her sidewalk. She chased after him - but by the time she reached the corner, he'd disappeared. So Xeffy decided to track him down. In her search, she's come across a truly bizarre cast of characters: a hiker with a kitten only he can see; a dreadlocked man who sings soul like an angel - and who keeps losing his socks; a red-haired young man with mirrored sunglasses, who just happens to be the ultimate TV executive; a large guy with a /very/ big stick... ...Odysseus, still wandering the world after all these centuries, having even managed to escape from the Afterlife; Odin One-Eye, come to Midgard to see what has become of his dominion; Marilyn Monroe, fighting evil undercover in Los Angeles; the Gorgons, now running a run-down diner in Arkansas... ...And with every step she takes, she comes a stage closer to the King... and to putting together the Big Idea - that everything that exists is a part of the ultimate Song - the ultimate Symphony. Needless to say, Heaven and Hell are going to /freak/ when they find out about this (it's only a matter of time, as things stand), and all the usual suspects are going to be brought up - Eli, Gabriel, Kobal, Litheroy, Nybbas, the Ethereals... The Truth is that, for once, this is a human thing. Completely and utterly human. Of course, it couldn't have been done without the celestials themselves... You see, 'Songlines's author's done his reading - he read the poems, the Eddas, the myth-cycles... and he read the stories of the modern era, the tabloids, TV shows, cartoons... And he would be, quite frankly, /astonished/ to learn how close to the Truth he's come. That's not the kicker. 'Songlines' has built up a solid following among Net-surfers. And, as with any character who catches others' interest, an Ethereal Xeffy has come into being. Still new-formed, still getting to grips with things - but she /does/ exist. The thing is, she's a siren. A /literal/ siren - a creature whose songs are so enchanting that anyone who listens will be completely entranced, ignoring everything but the song. (In the comic, she's the daughter of one of the original sirens, who settled down in suburbia after a long career in cabaret.) That's not the kicker - new supernatural Ethereals come into being on a daily basis. When the Ethereal Xeffy learned of the Ethereal King... ...naturally enough, she set out to find him. Currently, she's tracked him down to the American Midwest - and it won't be much longer before he finally shows up... Meanwhile, 'Songlines's author is currently planning out the next big storyline, in which Xeffy finally meets the King - and it's going to kick the comic off in a whole new direction. The King will reveal that he's been searching for the long-lost Songmistress, the lady who understood the Song - the Symphony - like no other. Outcast from the councils of the gods, lost in the millennia gone, vanished somewhere in the wider world. And they /must/ find her. Fast. Before the Song can reach its climax. This is going to trigger alarm bells across Heaven and Hell. But... But, much to celestial astonishment, there's absolutely no ineffability - to all intents and purposes, the author got all his information from mortal sources. How can /anyone/ get this close to the Truth, without being a Prophet - or without someone - a celestial, an ethereal - feeding them information? (Those engaged in Yves-watching will notice a small smile on his face when he hears this...) Quietly, privately, the Superiors involved will give a select group of Servitors, (selected for secrecy - or for completely bungling a job), a set of orders, which boil down to the same three objectives: - - Stop that web-comic. Now. Before some mortal realises this is *Truth*. - - Find that Ethereal brat - /before/ she gets it into her head to go off after Song (in all likelihood, with the King - and several of the loas' servants - in tow, /not/ counting all the ethereals who've been quietly following 'Songlines'...). - - And if *that* fails... Follow her. Follow that child. Because if things continue on their present course, she might just succeed... - --- Imran ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:38:35 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Romance for Lilith - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Glasgow [mailto:cglasgow@hotmail.com] And even a Bright Lilith, IMO, would want to date a Superior where she was the one -- and the only one -- getting to set the pace and dictate the terms. With Laurence, that's pretty much guaranteed. With Michael, there's no chance. - -- Chuckg I think everyone is overlooking Janus. Setting aside the obvious pun on his ability to "steal" her heart; Janus is certainly enough of a "bad-boy" to be attractive, he isn't into the whole dominance thing, and his Word and hers compliment one another. I don't see Lilith as wanting to be "the one -- and the only one -- getting to set the pace and dictate the terms." It sounds too much like chains to me. Lilith as a Bright should be even more concerned with the "Free" aspects of her word. And frankly, I can't see her in a long term, monogamous, relationship anyways. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:46:44 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Romance for Lilith - -----Original Message----- From: BC Petery [mailto:bpetery@bellatlantic.net] >Has anybody got any ideas on which Archangel would most likely end up in a >romantic relationship with Lilith if she ever redeemed? Any love is good love? Novalis, just to freak the straights? Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/pete.html Why not Yves? She could wear her catholic school girl outfit and make everyone really nervous. DS1 "Just like the - Old man in - That book by Nabakov." Sting ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:14:43 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Romance for Lilith From: "Gregg Forge" > > I like to think that Lilith wants more in a man than a pretty face and > utter cluelessness. You don't get to be Commander of the Host by being utterly clueless, is all I'm saying. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> (plot seed) 'Songlines' - --- "I. Inayat" wrote: > > (Warning 1: This borrows from net-canon. > > Warning 2: Any resemblance to canon - or reality - > is unintentional. > > For Angelic, Demonic, or Ethereal characters, > probably in a fairly cinematic or > anime-styled campaign) Clever. I wouldn't mind reading that particular webcomic, either... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:41:33 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Romance for Lilith >> Fall in love, maybe no. Flirt...I can see it. ^^ If >> only to make poor Dominic twitch. > >Heh. Imagine if he flirted back. That wouldn't just >make Lilith twitch; it might even make her head >explode. Mike's, too, come to think of it. >OK, so that makes _two_ reasons for why he'd do it... Think about it -- Seraphs know if it's _true_ or not. Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:19:31 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Romance for Lilith > > I like to think that Lilith wants more in a man than a pretty face > >and utter cluelessness. > >You don't get to be Commander of the Host by being utterly clueless, is all >I'm saying. No, you get to be Commander of the Host by being utterly clueless. You get to be Commander of the Host because God Said So. And perhaps, someday someone will figure out why...:) Kamika-Z, who thinks that it relates to his StarWars Theory... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:37:52 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Romance for Lilith > >Heh. Imagine if he flirted back. That wouldn't just > >make Lilith twitch; it might even make her head > >explode. Mike's, too, come to think of it. > >OK, so that makes _two_ reasons for why he'd do it... > >Think about it -- Seraphs know if it's _true_ or not. > >Genevieve > Which makes for silly things. Lilith "So, just how -do- you look under those robes, tall, dark, and ominous?" Dominic "You're looking especially fine today." Lilith "Why thank you...you do have an eye for the Truth, don't you?" Michael (to Dominic) "And just what, exactly, did you mean by that?" Dominic (pokertone) "Exactly what I said." Michael (even tone) "There's more to that than you let on." Dominic (blase) "Is there, now?" *insert resonance pings here* Kamika-Z, who thinks it will just go downhill from there... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:14:02 -0400 From: John A Fnord Subject: Re: IN> Ethnic backgrounds of Archangels? On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:03:57 -0500 "Gregg Forge" writes: > Kamika-Z ...Eli in the books looks like Bruce Willis with > dreads... (just getting around to some week-old mail...) Actually, given Bruce's antics in the movies and Eli's Malakite attunement, that is an entirely plausable image. :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2684 ********************************