in_nomine-digest Wednesday, June 26 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2686 In this digest: Re: IN> Yet more questions Re: IN> Yet more questions Re: IN> Yet more questions IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License Re: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License Re: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License Re: IN> Romance for Lilith IN> Superior Song of Possession (Re: Lilith's Body) Re: IN> Yet more questions IN> The name of all that is unholy... Re: IN> Yet more questions Re: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Yet more questions Re: IN> Yet more questions Re: IN> Lilith's Body IN> Twang. (Crossposted to .innomine) Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> The name of all that is unholy... Re: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License IN> Lovesick PCs Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body RE: IN> Twang. (Crossposted to .innomine) Re: IN> The name of all that is unholy... Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body RE: IN> Yet more questions IN> A plot seed offering ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Yet more questions - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > (The Tigris and Euphrates are both said to have passed > through Eden.) Along with the Gihon and Pishon, two rivers whose modern incarnations (if any) are unknown to human science. Plot seed: an archaeologist discovers a dry riverbed that evidence suggests is one of the lost rivers. This in turn leads to clues as to the location of the other lost river. If the other river is found, Humans may be able to locate Eden. Whether the PC's are sent in to help or hinder the search depends on which Superiors are involved. I'm sure that Haagenti would be interested in the fruit from the Tree of Life. Kronos, OTOH, would be more interested in the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (which opened the door to an entire species' Fate). And then there's the matter of a Cherub with a Flaming Sword who has been guarding the place for uncounted millennia... ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:53:13 -0400 From: "Roger Williby" Subject: Re: IN> Yet more questions I was under the impression that it was just suggested that Eden was covered during the Flood. Which by the way, can't be discounted as myth for the purpose of IN. It *is* in the Bible. The theory is supported by several divine religions. And furthermore, there are a growing number of researchers worl-wide who will swear that such a global event did occur during the probable span of human existence. You cannot reconcile archaeological timelines with biblical ones in almost any situation. So, you accept one or the other. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:20:20 +0000 From: "carson young" Subject: Re: IN> Yet more questions And >then there's the matter of a Cherub with a Flaming Sword >who has been guarding the place for uncounted millennia... > >===== He had every intention of staying for uncounted millenia and all that, but he got bored after the first couple millenia, went to a bar, got drunk, and forgot where Eden is. He's just as curious as everyone else is. If its location is pinpointed, a few hours later a very embarrassed angel will show up. "Hold, you cannot enter here! Oh, you already did? OK, umm, would you leave? No? Please? I can throw this rock pretty hard! Yeah, I kinda lost the sword too. Boy is my face red!" Carson, habbalite of GameMasters (I suspect all GM's are habbalah. It would explain a lot.) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:52:14 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License Hey, Just a little something that I got from, of all things, Warcraft III. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License At first glance, the Demon Hunter's License appears to be nothing more than a flat laminated piece of cardboard on which the hunter's name and contact information are printed -- although a number of these licenses have also been made up to look like official ID cards, and a few of them are also working ATM or credit cards. Hidden beneath the plastic laminate, however, is a single glyph in Angelic, visible only to celestials and high-Perception mortals: the mark of the demon hunter. For the average mundane, participation in the War means serving angels in the field, fulfilling tasks as diverse as teaching a Seraph to work a VCR or backing up an enthusiastic Malakite of the Sword on his way to an infernal Tether. Some mortals are happy with this: they're on the side of right, and while they don't have the requisite number of Forces to take down a demon, what they do allows angels to do the bloody work. Every so often, however, a mortal girds his loins for war against the forces of Hell. Such mortals don't have long life spans, but a select few survive long enough to remind demons that they are, after all, Symphonic trespassers. They don't necesarily fight for Heaven; some just want revenge on the Shedite who murdered their family. The Demon Hunter's Program was started in the 1970s as a way of curbing War-related mortal deaths. While some Archangels, notably Michael and David, support mortals getting involved in the War, others such as Novalis find the number of humans dying on the front lines unacceptably high. The solution, of course, was to limit the number of humans out on the field, while making sure that those who are out there got all the support they needed. Bearers of the license are given shelter and support at any angelic Tether; in addition, they are kept up-to-date on the latest developments in the War, provided that they touch base with Heaven every so often. The process of getting (or renewing) a Demon Hunter's License is quite simple, and involves passing three tests that can be administered at any Tether of War, Stone, or the Sword. None of the tests are designed to be easy -- fighting demons is, after all, hard work, and neither Michael nor Laurence like seeing mortals perish needlessly. The first test is, by necessity, a fitness test, and requires that the applicant pass a physical exam, administered by a reputable doctor or medical facility. Following the physical, the applicant must then demonstrate his ability to fend for himself in battle. This does not necessarily mean the martial arts; it can also mean faculty with firearms or even explosives. The second test is a written exam, which checks to see if the would-be hunter knows anything at all about the prey he's after. Applicants unable to name the seven major bands or to identify the major Princes are not granted their licenses; Heaven wants these mortals to stay alive for as long as possible, not rush foolishly into the unknown. Admittedly, it is this test which produces the most failures. To combat this, most would-be demon hunters are given special reviewers, cunningly disguised as role-playing game manuals. The third test is the most difficult, and involves a full day's work with the first available Elohite, Malakite or Mercurian, who determines the candidate's emotional readiness to become a demon hunter. Rage or fear are understandable and acceptable motivations, but the true test of a demon hunter is his stability -- it would not do to have an accredited hunter go berserk in a crowd. Passing this final test grants the applicant his Demon Hunter's License and Heaven's nod to go forth and fight evil...at least, for the next four years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License - --- Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > Applicants unable > to name the seven major bands or to identify the major > Princes are not > granted their licenses; Heaven wants these mortals to > stay alive for as > long as possible, not rush foolishly into the unknown. > Admittedly, it is > this test which produces the most failures. To combat > this, most would-be > demon hunters are given special reviewers, cunningly > disguised as > role-playing game manuals. !!! So if I start working out again and learn how to shoot, I can get my Demon-hunter's license! Yay! 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:10:18 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > > To combat this, most would-be > demon hunters are given special reviewers, cunningly disguised as > role-playing game manuals. Compare "Continuum," where the RPG manual is being used to introduce the population to the time-travelers from the future who both sponsor it and are documented in it. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:36:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Romance for Lilith At 12:02 AM -0700 6/25/02, Kanako Otaku wrote: >Guaranteed way to get a whole bunch of love sick PCs >angry at you? Do this.... *snip* Love-sick about whom? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:35:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Superior Song of Possession (Re: Lilith's Body) At 11:12 PM -0400 6/24/02, Michael Bruner wrote: > >>That, and it might amuse the GM to have the little wimpy 7-Force >>Andrealphite that the PCs are torturing for information suddenly >>smile and look upon them with the eyes of a Prince(ss)... > >Of course, Andre's only response might be to say "Ooooh, do that again, >HARDER!" if said Servitor is not in Andre's best graces (hey, getting the >fun and then ditching the Servitor to feel the lingering aches and pains IS >the Lust thing to do :)). Oh, of course. But when he gets bored with that, or the angels (or Baalites or Samingans, depending...) try to run away, he'll find something else interesting to do with them. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:45:26 -0400 From: Robb Kidd Subject: Re: IN> Yet more questions * Michael Walton (thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com) wrote: > Kronos, OTOH, would be more interested in > the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil > (which opened the door to an entire species' Fate). Assuming he hasn't already had a suite of office furniture made out of it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:55:32 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: IN> The name of all that is unholy... Simple Campaign Premise. Aspiring Pokethulu cultists accidently summon Asmodeus on a Infernal Intervention. Asmodeus shows signs of a sense of humor. Picks three servants he's VERY displeased with, but not to the point of destruction... IN Pokethulhu could certainly be done with IN Anime... Kamika-Z, putting the n_n back in in_nomine! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: Re: IN> Yet more questions Roger Williby said: > I was under the impression that it was just suggested that Eden was > covered during the Flood. Which by the way, can't be discounted as > myth for the purpose of IN. It *is* in the Bible. You may have noticed that In Nomine doesn't exactly adhere perfectly to scripture. ;) (Which is an oblique way of saying: "Just because it appears in the Bible doesn't mean it appears in *In Nomine* canon. Just because it appears in In Nomine canon doesn't mean it appears in *any other source whatsoever*.") - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License - --- Michael Walton wrote: > --- Manny Nepomuceno > wrote: > > Admittedly, it is > > this test which produces the most failures. To > combat > > this, most would-be > > demon hunters are given special reviewers, > cunningly > > disguised as > > role-playing game manuals. > > !!! So if I start working out again and learn how > to > shoot, I can get my Demon-hunter's license! Yay! > 0;> Don't despair. Even if you aren't ready to go head to head with a demon, Marc's people still want to talk to you if you've got enough theoretical knowledge. Yes, you too can be a SAT (Smiting Aptitude Test) coach... Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:56:08 +1000 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body >> >I've had a tantalizing little notion in the back of my head for a while, >> >and it's that Lilith *can't* have Vessels. She only has the one human body >>[...] >> > in the end, only one real body, lounging in Hell >> >or walking on Earth. Just an idea for people to play with. >> >>I've actually toyed with that idea as well, from time to time. However, >>she couldn't take the _corporeal_ body to Hell, probably. >> >>So that means that either she _can't_ appear in Hell (which is somewhat >>contradicted by canon, but you could claim it's a Song of Projection), >>or she is able to "go celestial" to some extent. Or - and this is an option I've been mulling over for sometime - she's actually possessed by a very unhappy WordBound Shedite. Assume, for the moment, that Lilith is a "normal" human - in so far as a 15 Force human can ever be considered normal. Add Blessed and a self-geas to act as a level 6 Servant to the concept of Freedom, and the Shedite must overcome an effective Will of 26 every day to avoid dissonance. Obviously, it can't: and picks up dissonance unless Lilith chooses to deliberately fail her Will roll. It can't leave, either, as leaving a host is a resonance roll, so it's penalised by the dissonance and any Bound Discord it's picked up. To avoid growing increasingly dissonant, the Shedite has to do whatever Lilith says - whether using the Song of Transfiguration to take her to Hell, or granting one of it's two attunements to those she chooses (attunement - Distinction - *you* prove that your bosses Distinctions aren't just attunements) and so on. Of course, it's still in Lilith's interest to promote the Word of Freedom, as her (enslaved) Shedite holds the Word, and the stronger it is, the stronger she is. the fact that she's controlling the Shedite because it cannot control her fits nicely with the internal contradictions of a Demonic Word of Freedom. Of course, although the Shedite would make the daily dose of corruption that he works for as small as possible (otherwise it'll soon run out of new perversions) after 22,000 years, Lilith's mind would be a cesspool, with no redeeming features left, and very few opportunities for avoiding dissonance; a serious problem for both Lilith & the Shedite. No wonder she's "bored": she's looking for new forms of vileness to pay off her Shedite. And replacing the Shedite won't help. Of course, replacing Lilith might - and as the Word of Freedom has wrapped itself around the concept of Lilith, if the Shedite escaped, it would want to find a new woman to be the next Lilith.... "and every generation, a new Lilith shall arise" "Mother" is a really a Shedite - how Kobal would laugh! Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:53:13 -0400 From: "Roger Williby" Subject: Re: IN> Yet more questions I was under the impression that it was just suggested that Eden was covered during the Flood. Which by the way, can't be discounted as myth for the purpose of IN. It *is* in the Bible. The theory is supported by several divine religions. And furthermore, there are a growing number of researchers worl-wide who will swear that such a global event did occur during the probable span of human existence. You cannot reconcile archaeological timelines with biblical ones in almost any situation. So, you accept one or the other. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:52:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Yet more questions Yet another place for the Flood is the Persian Gulf, which has had some floods when the glaciers melted, and at least has the Tigris and Euphrates running into it. This is a plus, if you want to locate Eden in the now-flooded Persian Basin. (The Tigris and Euphrates are both said to have passed through Eden.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:03:37 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body - ----- Original Message ----- From: "james walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:56 PM Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body [snip] > To avoid growing increasingly dissonant, the Shedite has to do whatever > Lilith says - whether using the Song of Transfiguration to take her to Hell, > or granting one of it's two attunements to those she chooses (attunement - > Distinction - *you* prove that your bosses Distinctions aren't just > attunements) and so on. Very ingenious theory -- but then how are the Lilim created? If Lilith is not truly a Superior, then who's manipulating the Forces? (Likewise hearing Superior Invocations, removing dissonance, inflicting Discord, etc all at once.) And the Shedite can't be the one making Lilim either -- because after 22,000 years of this, he'd long since have sent a Corporeal Tongues to one of the many Princes that want to break her Lilim-manufacture monopoly, just to get the Hell out of where he is. And let's not forget the Lilim Band resonance. The Shedite can't provide it, he's not a Lilim. And if Lilith is just a 15-Force human... humans don't *have* Band resonances. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Twang. (Crossposted to .innomine) Beats me why I wrote it. I was humming some old Meat Loaf songs again this morning; maybe that was it... Moe Nybbas returned to applause. When you're the Prince of the Media, you quickly learn to distinguish between various types of applause. There's many kinds, ranging from 'I'm applauding because I really don't want to die' to 'I'm applauding because everyone else is' to 'I'm applauding because it's finally over and I can go back to what I was originally doing'. Plus, of course, 'I'm applauding because I'm a good little bootlicking toady' - but that's practically part of Perdition's background noise anyway. However, this particular time the applause had an odd note to it. The note was, freakishly enough, sincerity. The decorations had obviously been set up on short notice, but were impressive for all that. Monitors flanked the broad clearing; on each one was a montage of scenes from the Prince's recent Role on Earth as a superstar musician, up to and including the fiery car crash that culminated it. Every spare speaker in Perdition had been dragooned into playing Nybbas' signature song from that Role - a song that was now assured even more airplay, even more obsession, even more influence for the foreseeable future. Nybbas had timed things perfectly; he had 'died' at the height of his Role's popularity, and there were plenty of previously recorded tracks available to keep the hype going - not to mention control musical tastes for the next ten years. In short, it was a virtuoso performance that had impressed even the most jaded. The applause had by now grown to deafening levels - then shut off with a shocking finality. The crowd of demons rippled as each one went to one knee (or equivalent), showing their obeisance to their Prince. The silence was broken only with the sound of hundred of thousands of autograph books opened and proffered. Nybbas grinned and raised his hands. "What can I say, baby?" The traditional response shook the Principality. "LIVE FAST, DIE YOUNG AND LEAVE A GOOD-LOOKING CORPSE!" The crowd did not, of course, carry him to his office - - even under these unusual circumstances, Hell is not a place to be too familiar - but it was still an amazingly jovial and enthusiastic progression, all the same. Demons are not given towards showing appreciation for another's abilities, but there is such a thing as professional pride. Nybbas had just once again personally demonstrated that he was, indeed, THE MAN - and incidentally made all of their jobs easier. Besides, it wasn't showing weakness if everybody else was doing it, too. Also, of course, no one in the crowd even thought to speculate about presuming to follow Nybbas into his inner sanctum. If he needed any of them, he'd say so. If he didn't... well, better not to spoil the Prince's mood. Once in his office, the Prince relaxed. Seated in his favorite chair, finest cigar in his mouth, his face was unwontedly serene as he perused the ever-shifting monitor bank in front of him. It was all good, baby. Until, of course, it wasn't. Nybbas had by now worn his trademark smile for so long that it was a real effort to remove it - but for once it went away normally as he stared out into nothing. After a certain amount of time, he stood, opened a desk drawer, pulled out a key and walked over to a cabinet. Inside the cabinet were a variety of musical instruments: all glittery and ornate, of course, but of undeniable quality. Nybbas removed the guitar, brought it over to an amp and plugged it in. Then, he began to play. The tune that he expertly performed was the same as the one that heralded his arrival, but the Prince didn't play it even remotely like he had a thousand times on Earth. He played it... hesitantly, carefully. Various bars would be replayed, as if he was trying to hear something, or else bring something forward. After running through the song several times, Nybbas began to sing along, again almost seeming to be trying to hear for some undetermined note or lyric. His facial expressions were partly obscured by his glasses, of course - but his very posture declared that he was looking for something that not even he was sure existed. Eventually, he stopped, shrugged, unplugged the guitar and put it back in the cabinet. Still obviously vaguely dissatisfied, Nybbas turned - and froze. There was a bulky envelope on his desk. It took some time before the Prince of the Media could be satisfied that the envelope and its contents weren't about to explode, implode or otherwise attack him. It took some more time before he could bring himself to open it; there was a lingering smell to it that Nybbas was grimly sure that he recognized. Inside the envelope were a folded note and a standard audiocassette tape. Being Nybbas, he naturally accessed the latter first, not even bothering to use a tape deck. What was on it shocked him. It was his song. Well, it was mostly his song. 99.99% his song. There were minute changes: very, very minute. A few words were pitched slightly differently, or altered. The notes had been moved up or down in a few places. The overall speed was somewhat slower. It was instantly recognizable - and, somehow, so very, very different than his version. So much better. Nybbas could hear the improvement, and knew that this was what he had been hearing in his head, all along. He also knew that, once humanity heard this version, a thousand cover bands would immediately switch to the new arrangement. Somehow, he knew that humanity would hear this arrangement. It didn't destroy his success - it did something worse. It used it. After a while, he opened the note. It was, of course, from that eternal thorn in his side. The tape, envelope and note impacted the wall so hard that they left dents - but, afterwards, the Prince of the Media angrily set up the guitar again and replayed the song, using the new arrangement. After playing through the entire number, Nybbas simply stood there, his face only slowly losing its furious expression. Reluctantly, he nodded. It did work better - but, by Lucifer, it was still his Goddamned song, not Eli's. He made it, not the Archangel of Creation, and no amount of the latter's tweaking could take that accomplishment away from him. It was not until quite some time later that it occurred to Nybbas that possibly that had been Eli's real point all along... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:09:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > And let's not forget the Lilim Band resonance. The > Shedite can't provide > it, he's not a Lilim. And if Lilith is just a > 15-Force human... humans > don't *have* Band resonances. Unless, of course, they've got a 'special' Force. Hmm. Maybe Lilith's a shill, then: a false front to distract the other Princes from the 'real' maker of Lilim. Who would that be? Lucifer, of course. This would suggest that the Lightbringer is more feminine than is usually depicted, but that actually makes a certain amount of thematic sense...* Moe *After all, Hell hath no fury... ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:21:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Maurice Lane wrote: > Lucifer, of course. This would suggest that the > Lightbringer is more feminine than is usually > depicted, but that actually makes a certain amount of > thematic sense...* > > Moe > > *After all, Hell hath no fury... AAAAARRRGHHHHHH!!!!! My head /hurts/!! It hurtshurtshurts! Thanks a bundle for that one, Moe! Now I can't get the image of Mike and Lucifer's battle as the single gratest lover's quarrel EVER out of my mind. *sob* - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> The name of all that is unholy... Most disturbing thought. Still, In Nomine is full of disturbing thoughts. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Demon Hunting I: The Demon Hunter's License Hmm..........Demon Hunters? Truth be told, I think they fall more into Dominic's department that any other Archangel...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: IN> Lovesick PCs >Love-sick about whom? Not really any one Superior. This bunch of PCs i've got are just plain hopeless romantics. They make Novalis look mean actually. This is the group that is constantly trying to set Gabriel and Dominic up on a date. So far, they haven't succeeded. ( In the name of all that is holy and unholy, imagine how disastrous that would be....) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body > Lucifer, of course. This would suggest that the > Lightbringer is more feminine than is usually > depicted, but that actually makes a certain amount of > thematic sense...* Just how is a female Lucifer supposed to make sense? And the fight with Michael is just a big lover's quarrel? And I thought the idea of Novalis and Belial was scary...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body - --- Kanako Otaku wrote: > > Lucifer, of course. This would suggest that the > > Lightbringer is more feminine than is usually > > depicted, but that actually makes a certain amount > of > > thematic sense...* > > Just how is a female Lucifer supposed to make sense? Because the other half of that quote is, "...like a woman scorned?" (pause) Hey, I didn't say that it made sense outside of my head... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:57:17 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body Kanako Otaku wrote: > > > Lucifer, of course. This would suggest that the > > Lightbringer is more feminine than is usually > > depicted, but that actually makes a certain amount > of > > thematic sense...* > > Just how is a female Lucifer supposed to make sense? Of course, as a celestial, Lucifer is genderless. But, as far as appearance, I would be very surprised to learn that "he" has no female Vessels, and/or always appeared in gendered male form on the celestial plane. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:42:30 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body From: "Maurice Lane" > > Lucifer, of course. This would suggest that the > Lightbringer is more feminine than is usually > depicted, but that actually makes a certain amount of > thematic sense...* Nah, it was Michael who used the feminine vessel there. Why do you think he A: Almost never uses one anymore, and B: the saying about Hell having no fury came to be in the first place? Because nobody in Hell has ever been able to stand against Michael's fury... ;:;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:12:05 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body >Unless, of course, they've got a 'special' Force. > >Hmm. Maybe Lilith's a shill, then: a false front to >distract the other Princes from the 'real' maker of >Lilim. > >Who would that be? > >Lucifer, of course. This would suggest that the >Lightbringer is more feminine than is usually >depicted, but that actually makes a certain amount of >thematic sense...* I always thought of the Son of Morning as being the peunultimate Bishonen; cross-dressing wouldn't be too far off base. Then again, I tend to sum up how Lucifer might look in Four Words. Sir Intergral Wingates Hellsing. Kamika-Z ...I mean, come on, undead servant, loyal subjects... ...Saminga hath not the style or wit to make it work... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:27:50 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body >AAAAARRRGHHHHHH!!!!! My head /hurts/!! It hurtshurtshurts! Thanks a >bundle for that one, Moe! Now I can't get the image of Mike and Lucifer's >battle as the single gratest lover's quarrel EVER out of my mind. > You don't need gender bending for that to occur. After all, love and yaoi are both four-letter words... >*sob* Oh, come on, it can always be worse. Just picture the hot action between the two of them when Mike found out his 'bitch' was out on parole, badder than ever. Kamika-Z, cueing the boom-chikka-wah-wah music... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:56:55 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> Twang. (Crossposted to .innomine) Wow. You're often funny, Moe, but I think this is one of the more profound things you've written. I love the idea of a (moderately) creative Nybbas, and I've always thought he deserved the title of "Hell's Most Morally Ambigious Prince" more than everybody's favourite Femme Fatale. And, speaking as someone who is just creative and visionary enough to recognize the people on a plateau of artistic vision I (and Nybbas) will never be able to reach no matter how hard we try, I've never seen Eli written as being more petty or cruel while entirely in character. It's incredibly tragic that Eli has what Nybbas desires sooo much... wow. This goes in the save file. - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:33:20 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> The name of all that is unholy... >From: Kanako Otaku >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> The name of all that is unholy... >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:39:48 -0700 (PDT) > >Most disturbing thought. Still, In Nomine is full of >disturbing thoughts. Nah, not too disturbing. Now, taking Shedim of Technology, and putting them into a digital game that is set in the Marches, and then having them trained by youths that Kronos was especially keen on having reach their fates, followed by Jean and Yves creating counter-fighting Kyrio Devices in said gaming environment... Kamika-Z ...In Nominemon! Digital Fleshless o/~... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body Isn't the world twisted enough that even Michael and Lucifer are being turned into yaoi boys? Oh well, I got my opinion, you got yours. I prefer yuri though...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:09:27 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body >Isn't the world twisted enough that even Michael and >Lucifer are being turned into yaoi boys? Indeed, but I can't let my bias prevent me from inflicting Cognitive Dissonance. After all, gotta promote my Word... >Oh well, I got my opinion, you got yours. I prefer yuri though...... As do I. Which is simply filter the sparkly-bois through the GenderMatic, and suddenly it's Butch Yet Hot Michelle gettin' her sapphic schwerve on with the most beautiful, if not just slightly deviant, Lucille... Kamika-Z ...and that part I'm leaving alone...not feeding my muse... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:52:00 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Yet more questions - -----Original Message----- From: Genevieve Cogman [mailto:maya@tcp.co.uk] There are certain theories that the Flood, or something like it, was involved in wiping out the monstrous Nephallim spawned by the Grigori. Genevieve (who has her own theories about the Grigori and their children . . .) Timothy Powers' book "The Stress of Her Regard" has an interesting side note about the flood. According to the book, when God changed light so that it refracted (making the first rainbow) the substance of light was altered so that it destroyed ancient and powerful creatures who were the inspiration for things like succubii, lamia and vampires. Very good book, in fact I recommended everything by him. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:23:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: IN> A plot seed offering My last few posts haven't seemed to have been received too well. Hopefully this will break the cycle. Ryan R. *********************************************************************** It's not easy being an ethereal. Especially when you are forced to work with - -- under -- Beleth. Nobody likes working for Beleth. She isn't what anyone would call a charitable boss. But not many ethereals get a choice in the matter. Ethereals in general have the problem of making sure humanity continues to believe they exist. This is compounded by the fact that the humans all live in the plane you rarely get to go to. You can squeeze out a little piece of existance by invading their dreams, but it's not much of a life. And if you work for Beleth it's even worse. She's only interested in one thing. And if you spend all your time giving humans night terrors, eventually they will start to associate you with terror. And then you begin to change, change into something dark and twisted that only Beleth could love. For many ethereals, this identity-death is worse than just fading away. So it's not very surprising that the majority of the ethereals spend a great deal of time trying to figure out how to get out from under Beleth's heel. The Host really isn't an option. The ethereals we are talking about here have been working for Nightmares for a while, so there's little chance for a warm reception. Plus, there's still a lot of old grudges about that Purity thing. And a lot of ethereals are highly resentful of humanity (you get that way when your existance depends on where or not they regularly think about you) and are more than happy to serve Hell. Just not Beleth, the b**ch. So, who in Hell could you work for? None of the War faction, certainly; we need the humans alive, and war tends to kill them off. Can't choose somebody whose too weak to oppose Beleth either -- she's probably not going to be happy about her forces suddenly jumping ship en masse. What you need is someone on the way up. Someone with ingenuity. Someone you can negoiate with. Someone who needs humanity as much as you do, but wants the situation to be on his own terms, just like you do. Really, the basic similarities between ethereals and the Media are kind of obvious. Ethereals were fostering beliefs and trying to get people to think in certain ways long before TV showed up. And humanity's influence on Nybbas's Word mimics the ethereal problem pretty well, right? Why not work for him? At least you have something in common. And at least you'll get to wear something other than cowls and Halloween masks for a change. And, ye gods, do you have any idea what a guest appearence on Leno will do for your Essence cache? But...there's a couple of problems. The first is the Marches: ethereals are born there, and pretty much stay there. Nybbas has little influence on that side of things; the Corporeal is where things Happen, baby. Beleth isn't going to let them emmigrate in any case. The second problem is: what exactly have ethereals to offer Nybbas in exchange for his protection from Beleth? Well, the ethereals got together in secret and thought about it. For about three decades. Then they got an idea, and spent a few more decades polishing it up. When they contacted Nybbas and laid out the plan, he was _amazed_ that he didn't think of it before. Wait for it... You see, the Marches have always bugged Nybbas. People were watching, sure, but at the end of the day, they always closed their eyes and went to sleep. They had the nerve to spend 1/3 of their lives in a place where he couldn't tell them what to think. Creating their _own_ fantasies, for the love of Pete! It was so insulting. But there didn't seem to be anything he could do about it; they needed to sleep -- that's why those sleeping pill ads are still on. When the ethereals presented their plan, he jumped at the idea. He grabbed some of his technicans to whip up a prototype, ran some deep cover tests with the ethereal's help, and started the assembly lines going. He also gave every ethereal he could get his hands on a great contract, and discretely put the word out that he would accept any ethereal who came to him. Or any former Servitor of Nightmares, for that matter. So, what's the plan? Step one: distract Beleth. No problem -- the ethereals just have to prod Dream servitors into being a little more aggressive, followed by an inconvient Tsyadim raid, and then an unpleasant Damned soul uprising. A host of minor troubles can keep her busy for months -- it's not like she has any allies willing to help her out. Step two: Introduce humanity to Nybbas's latest creation. A great new TV; terrific picture, fantastic sound, and it even works when you sleep! That's right, folks, Dream TV is here. Dream Channels One, Two and Three are already online, and dozens more are coming. Never again miss your favorite show because you were too tired to watch! It's a pretty sweet set up for both sides. Nybbas gets his Ethereal Plane demographic. Eventually, when enough people are using Dream TV, an rather sizable portion of the Marches will be his domain. Not good dreams or bad dreams -- just programming. Of course, there's going to be Blandine and Beleth to deal with, but hey, there's always competition. As for the ethereals, they get to run Dream TV on the Ethereal side. I mean, could you ask for a better set of production consultants? They've got all the skills Nybbas needs to run the operation. All they really want is to be treated like valuable employees. And occassionally to have creative control so that they can reinforce their belief base. And the chance to spit in Beleth's eye. Honestly, they're working for peanuts here. All of the ethereals (and any servitors of Nightmares who wise up enough to follow them) get equipped with a new Dream TV attunement. When a human uses Dream TV, a broadcast signal comes with him into the Marches (the TV helps to ensure the human lands in an area Nybbas controls). Those with the Dream TV attunement pick up that signal and then can easily manipulate the human's dreamscape into whatever he's supposed to be watching. The human's involvement in the dream becomes completely passive; he sacrifices all control over his own dreamscape in return for 'entertainment', just like when humans give up their imaginations for TV on Earth. The ethereals get to be the stars in the shows as well too; even gods are susceptable to the lure of stardom, apparently. The ethereals are also in charge of collecting errant dreamscapes and offering 'suggestions' as what the human really wants to be watching. All in all, it's a much better gig than trying to scare the Hell out of them all the time. And with the kind of access Nybbas can provide them with, they can affect how humans believe in them on a huge scale. As you might expect, quite a few people are not going to be happy with this little plan. Beleth is sure to have a hissyfit. Most of the Demon Princes will immediately dislike the idea of Nybbas gaining even more power, but most will not see it coming if it goes down as planned. The other Ethereal residents (Tsyadim, non-aligned ethereals) aren't going to be pleased with their new neighbor either. But Nybbas figures if Dream TV takes off fast enough, he'll become so entrenched that none of them will be able to kick him out. And the Demon Princes will eventually come around; after all, if you want access to the Marches, it's much easier to cut a deal with Nybbas then with Beleth. As for the Host, well, you can imagine their reaction to the thought of another Demon Prince setting up camp in the Marches. Blandine is sure to be outraged (she and Beleth might actually call a truce to drive Nybbas out of the Marches). Jean will take what ever steps necessary to stop Dream TV early, if he can. Too bad Vapula's been keeping him so busy lately. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2686 ********************************