in_nomine-digest Thursday, June 27 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2688 In this digest: Re: IN> Lilith's Body IN> Re: Lilith's Powers Re: IN>D20 Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> A plot seed offering Re: IN> Lilith's Body IN> Superior High Re: IN> Superior High Re: IN> Superior High IN> Servitors' dress Re: IN> Servitors' dress Re: IN> Servitors' dress Re: IN> Lilith's Body Re: IN> Servitors' dress Re: IN>D20 Re: IN> Servitors' dress Re: IN> Servitors' dress ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:37:58 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body >--- Maurice Lane wrote: > > Hmm. Maybe Lilith's a shill, then: a false front to > > distract the other Princes from the 'real' maker of > > Lilim. > > Naaaaah... Lil's doing it, all right. The ability to >create in that manner is a little gift one gets from being >created in the image of God. Yves is aware of this, of >course, and so probably is Eli. The revelation shattered >Gabriel's mind, poor thing. But in Hell, nobody knows this >great secret except Lilith and maybe Lucifer. The real >threat is Litheroy; he doesn't know yet, but when he finds >out, he's going to tell humanity sooner or later. That's >when things will really get interesting. Of course, the kicker is explaining that one has to have 15 Forces in order to do so in the first place...not exactly a regular occurance. Kamika-Z, intrigued. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:57:10 +1000 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Lilith's Powers > [snip] >> To avoid growing increasingly dissonant, the Shedite has to do whatever >> Lilith says - whether using the Song of Transfiguration to take her to > Hell, >> or granting one of it's two attunements to those she chooses (attunement - >> Distinction - *you* prove that your bosses Distinctions aren't just >> attunements) and so on. > > Very ingenious theory -- but then how are the Lilim created? If Lilith is > not truly a Superior, then who's manipulating the Forces? As a human, Lilith's dreams can create Ethereals; given her experience and maxed out stats, she could probably design them. Of course, an ethereal couldn't go celestial etc, so possibly Lilith creates herself an ideal lover, (who probably doesn't survive the experience - why waste Forces): Perhaps there's a reason that Lilim are referred to as "Daughters?" Remember, alone of Superiors Lilith has to take months to create her Servitors: hmm, 9 months, maybe? With their powers provided by their Ethereal father, Lilim could just be modified Dead Souls. The differences between a Saint and a Celestial isn't very great, after all. > (Likewise > hearing Superior Invocations, removing dissonance, inflicting Discord, etc > all at once.) Powerful pagan gods can do this sort of thing, and Lilith is supposed to have made numerous deals with the pagan gods; either she's learnt the tricks, become a pagan goddess, or subcontracts. > And let's not forget the Lilim Band resonance. The Shedite can't provide > it, he's not a Lilim. And if Lilith is just a 15-Force human... humans > don't *have* Band resonances. Oh, worked *that* one out long ago: Lilith had the Songs of Sacrifice from day 1 (the Song description says it was handed out to early humans). She's almost certainly been Geased by Dominic's angels, using the Divine Mediation attunement (remember the legend of the angels demanding she return to Eden?). Now, the Ethereal Song of Sacrifice can move any Ethereal Discord (which a Geas is) and if it's overused, inflict a level of Ethereal Discord (such as a Geas) as the performer runs out of Mind Hits...eg a Dream Soldier can "owe a Geas" to Lilith by performing the Song on a Free Lilim, taking enough damage to acquire a level of Ethereal Discord, which he chooses to be the Geas he just borrowed. Now, if Lilith was on half her Mind Hits, she could have performed the Song on herself, giving up her remaining Mind Hits (so taking the Discord) and regaining them (thus remaining conscious), and using the Discord manipulation part of the Song to decide who to owe the Geas to(though this might require an Improvisation - which, on 5 Eth Forces, she can do if she knows the Song at level 5 or 6). Of course, this is clumsy, so she'd create a Variant (which on 5 Ethereal Forces, she can do) to handle this more efficiently..... ....at which point she gets a very nice present from God. If you know one version of the Songs of Sacrifice, you can learn the other two - so if you learn a variant, what do you learn? Well, in Lilith's case, a Corporeal version allowing her to detect Needs and a Celestial version to inflict a Geas. (After all, this is probably happening *before* The Fall - there is a gap of 375 years between Lilith walking out and Lucifer's Rebellion - so it's believable that God would give his creation a "no hard feelings" present.) Once Lilith acquired the powers of a pagan goddess, she develops an attunement which grants humans the powers of the Songs; this is handed out to her Daughters. Alternatively the Shedite develops the Attunement but doesn't want anyone to know that humans *can* have a resonance - bad for the diabolic ego! > >>[...] It can't leave, either, as leaving a host is a resonance >>roll, so it's penalised by the dissonance and any Bound Discord it's picked >>up. > > Leaving a host isn't a resonance roll -- though I would probably make it > have problems if it had Bound Discord. > > Sowwy. O:> Easily fixed! regular dosages of LSD will keep the Shedite's permanent Will at 1, and the Bound Discord will do the rest! Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:02:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN>D20 - --- David Edelstein wrote: > Gregg Forge wrote: > > > *gets out his fuda, and performs the Song of > Seals while binding this > > thread like a chinese vampire* > > > > Scuse me while I bleach my eyes. XD > > > > > Oddly enough, I've been half-working on a D20 > translation for IN. Grim Lord of Battles, it's contagious...* Moe *Although, I must admit that something like the alignment rules would be pretty useful in codifying and explaining Superior/Superior relations... No. God, no. Now _I've_ been infected. Save yourselves. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:06:15 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body > > First and most important note...Lilim *don't have Band dissonance*. Really, look at them. They get dissonant if they fail to serve an active Geas (but so does everyone else), or if their invocation of a Geas fails (but since they're the only ones who *can* invoke Geases - and fail - we don't know what'd happen if someone *else* tried and failed.) So these are part of the mechanics of Geases, we'll assume. Very interesting. This jibes nicely with something I mentioned during a game over the weekend, where I opined that Bright Lilim shouldn't have Choir Attunements: since Lilim stay Lilim even when they redeem, I argued that a choir attunement for them made about as much sense as a Dark Malakite attunement made a Prince. Naturally, it wasn't a popular opinion. - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > Very interesting. This jibes nicely with something I > mentioned during a game > over the weekend, where I opined that Bright Lilim > shouldn't have Choir > Attunements: since Lilim stay Lilim even when they > redeem, I argued that a > choir attunement for them made about as much sense > as a Dark Malakite > attunement made a Prince. > > Naturally, it wasn't a popular opinion. Considering that I was playing a BL of the Sword who was squeezing every spare drop of advantage out of her Choir Attunement, you'll understand why I wasn't personally too receptive to the notion. :) More seriously; why not write some Dark Malakim Band Attunements? It'd be symmetrical, if nothing else,,, Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:25:10 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body I did. Sorta. Didn't I post the Malakim of Fate to the list? Along with the explanation for how a Malakite can gain a Demonic Attunment without Falling? It was a complicated process, and vaugely akin to the way you get Shedim of the Sword. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> A plot seed offering Nybbas in the Marches? Now that's an idea.... I can see it now. Softdrink commercials in our dreams, Beleth wondering just how they let this happen, the ethereals happy with their new boss... I like it.......... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:29:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body A sorceress Lilith? It actually makes sense to me. It's better than the whole Lilith is a Shedite thing. I tend to hold the single Superior-level human in high regard. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: IN> Superior High This is a buggy little idea i've had in my head for a while. Turn most, if not all,the Superiors into a bunch of High School studnets. Retain all their resonances and other such traits, give em all a seventeen year old vessel, make a few minor adjustmnets in roles for a few, turn Lilith neutral to the whole war, put Beleth and Blandine together again, and you've pretty much got yourself one insane story. I can actually imagine Nybbas as the editor of the school paper. Yves would either be a guidance counselor or librarian in my view. Kronos could be the ever present authority figure. Malphas is a rumor monger. Jean and Vapula would be the brainy ones. Just have trouble thinking what the others would be... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Superior High - --- Kanako Otaku wrote: > This is a buggy little idea i've had in my head for a > while. Turn most, if not all,the Superiors into a > bunch of High School studnets. We're way ahead of you. That thread played out last year - -- I think we managed conversion of all of the major Superiors and most of the minor ones. Janus ended up being the track star, for example, while Laurence was captain of the football team (with a jealous exchange student Khalid looking on). IN High School may be in the archives, maybe not. Either way, it illustrates the danger of letting IN GM's read TFOS. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:11:17 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Superior High - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: Re: IN> Superior High [snip] > IN High School may be in the archives, maybe > not. "Higher Heavens High", which started around the end of October 2000. The first post appears in file # 1872 at: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/digests/2000/10/ As near as I can recall, the lineup went something like this: The Good Kids: "Big Mike" -- Senior, former Captain Of the Football Team, best all-around athlete in school by a ridiculous margin. State wrestling champion four times in a row. Has never lost a fight... and he's been in more than a few. Plays fullback. Going into the Marine Corps when he graduates. The dean of students almost had him once on charges of general rowdiness and 'attitude' before being overruled by the principal, and is just waiting for the chance to get him again. "Laurence" (even though everybody calls him "Larry") -- Sophomore, clean-cut ultra-handsome new guy, new Captain Of the Football Team, athletic and scholastic prodigy. Got jumped ahead a grade once. Quarterback. Every girl in school who isn't sighing over Big Mike is sighing over him, except for the named exceptions below. "Dave Stone" -- biggest guy in school, slowest guy in school, only guy who can lift more than Big Mike, held back a grade once. Senior. Five-time winner of the unofficial hot-sauce eating contest -- he can swallow things that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission would declare alerts over. Lost his temper once in a bad way, afraid to lose it again, so he swore a promise never to hit unless he was hit first. Plays center. "Novalis Sunflower Earthchild", aka "Novy" -- Junior, Head Cheerleader, school's resident vegan, pacifist, shoulder-to-cry-on, and little-mother-of-all-living. Has put the school's social worker virtually out of work. Everybody's best friend. (And just for laughs, I had Big Mike absolutely refusing to admit that he really liked her, and Novy sitting and thinking that if only he'd waste less energy being so macho all the time he'd be really nice to be with... *g*) "Blandine" -- Junior, quiet poet and artistic type, aspiring writer, Novy's best friend. Beautiful but sad. (Again, for amusement, we had Laurence so head-over-heels over her that he was tongue-tied in her presence...and her totally not noticing.) "Gabrielle" -- knockout redhead, most beautiful girl in school, most hot-tempered girl in school, tends to rapidly switch from one obsession to the other. Brilliant but erratic. Sometimes gets so intense that her friends are afraid she's going to hurt herself. Some anger management issues. Watched very carefully by the dean of students. Old friend of both Novy and Big Mike, both of whom worry. "Janus" -- hyperkinetic, resident motorhead, holds state record for "most moving violations yet hasn't lost his license" and school record for "most # of times called into the dean's office but not expelled yet". Plays running back. Also school track star. "Marcus Nieman" -- son of extremely rich parents. Young Republican. Wears suits to school. Isn't going to private school because he thinks that HHH is "more broadening". Nice guy, not stuck-up, buys lunch for more than a few underprivileged students. #1 in all Business Honors courses. "Eli Panentheus" -- makes Ferris Bueller look like a drone. Worst class-cutter in school, never does homework, never studies, and still gets straight A's on every test and can churn out college-level essays in 15 minutes from scratch. Has fully-paid scholarships from every college imaginable and a few that aren't, but has passed on all of them plans to spend a few years backpacking around Europe when he graduates. Has dated half the girls in school, and after a date with Eli they all seem to be better kissers. "Zap Kiel" -- friendly girl. *Big* friendly girl... she's almost as tall as Big Mike or Dave Stone. Pretty, but uncoordinated. Made it on the cheerleading squad anyway. Very protective, spends her time in passing periods rescuing smaller kids (which is almost everybody) from harassing Bad Kids. "Georgie McCormick" -- head of the 4-H club. Plans to become a vetinarian. *Loves* animals. Roy -- reporter for the school newspaper. Not mean or cruel in any way, but still always prying his nose into everything he can, trying to find out the truth. Absolutely can *not* keep a secret. If I missed anybody, please let me know. Then there's the faculty: Mr. Yves -- Guidance Counselor and Vice-Principal. Everybody in school loves him, except Big Mike -- he's got his own future all planned out and resented the implication that he needed the help. Wise, friendly, sage advice available upon request. Mr. Dominic -- Dean Of Students, aka Vice-Principal In Charge Of Discipline. No description necessary. *eg* The Principal -- nobody ever sees him, save possibly Mr Yves. His secretary, May Tatron, handles all communication with him... not that anybody ever sees her, either. They just hear her voice on the phone or the P.A. Has only communicated with the staff two or three times in the past four years, and otherwise lets them run the school entirely without his input. I have to leave for work now, so I'll save the rundown on the Bad Kids from Sheol High for later in the day. We got a lot of them, too. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:00:57 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Servitors' dress I'm planning on giving the Alaemish a major part in my campaign, although in my campaign they're not working for Hell but, rather, for God and their purpose is to simply go around the world removing any proof of celestial activities on Earth. They're not as paranoid as in Superiors either, think of them more like the typical 'government agent' types who go around covering things up. Anyway, I was thinking about how to portray them and decided to go with the old Humphrey Bogart-style trenchcoat image (the usual black suits is too cliched and obvious, while the Bogart image has a more nostalgic and old-fashioned feel to it, which I feel is appropriate). Anyway, the reason I'm posting this is it got me curious; if we had a campaign of IN running where everything was cliched and set (ie *all* servitors of Laurence look like knights *all* of the time, servitors of Alaemon *always* dress in trenchcoats, etc) how would everyone imagine each of the superiors and their servitors would dress? Cheers, Milan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Servitors' dress - --- G N E Z D A wrote: > > if we had a > campaign of IN running where everything was cliched and > set (ie *all* > servitors of Laurence look like knights *all* of the > time, servitors of > Alaemon *always* dress in trenchcoats, etc) how would > everyone imagine each > of the superiors and their servitors would dress? Davidians: Army surplus garb. Doc Martins are required, methinks. Michaelites: see above. Khalidim: burnooses, and those in female Vessels go veiled. Novalans: if you saw dashikis anywhere, it would be here. Malphans: whatever would offend those around them. Samingans: black robes with hoods, of course. Asmodeans: _these_ are the CIB's. Furfurites: whatever the punk rock/heavy metal crowd wears. Andrealphans: as little as they can get away with. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:07:58 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Servitors' dress [snippeh] > Andrealphans: as little as they can get away with. In an IN Anime game, by the 'bikini rule' of the Anime Laws of Physics...would this make them invulnerable? - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:20:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Body At 11:06 PM -0400 6/26/02, Eric Bertish wrote: >Very interesting. This jibes nicely with something I mentioned during a game >over the weekend, where I opined that Bright Lilim shouldn't have Choir >Attunements: since Lilim stay Lilim even when they redeem, I argued that a >choir attunement for them made about as much sense as a Dark Malakite >attunement made a Prince. In the SSO , the concept is that the act of binding someone to your Word creates the attunement. Thus: Impudite of Lightning: Can 'plug in' to any electrical source and convert electricity into Essence. Causes disturbance. (1 for 1, IIRC; takes about half the time of the similar Rite.) Seraph of Desire (Andre, Prince of Desire): Can tell at a glance if a protestation of attraction (flirting, body-language, etc.) is real or not. With a resonance roll upon that, may discover motives (as per the check digit). Bright/Dark Lilim of Anything: Same. Mind, it's a bad idea to be a demon and have an Archangel try to make your Heart. Tends to be a bit like all the painful parts of redemption, if not the fatal ones... (Thus, you need to have a Prince make the Heart and then have the Archangel mung on it a bit to reattune it. They tend to be a little purple after that, but it's livable.) Canon? Where? Where? Let's kick it! - --Beth's SSO .sig: (Want to hear more about the Superior Soap Opera? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IN-SoapOpera ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:55:38 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Servitors' dress Blandine: pajamas David: miners' outfits, with helmets and headlamps Dominic: black robes and powdered wigs, a la British magistrates Eli: stained smocks and berets Gabriel: red, orange, yellow, and white Janus: jeans and black leather jackets Jean: white lab coats Jordi: fur -- their own Laurence: any costume that accomodates a sword belt Marc: very nice business suits Michael: military uniforms Novalis: casual attire, accessorized with dirty gardening gloves or wreathes worn on the head Yves: anything Andrealphus: something suitably tight and/or revealing Asmodeus: trench coats and pulled-down fedoras Baal: military uniforms Beleth: bloodstained pajamas Belial: red, orange, brown, and black Haagenti: chef's aprons and hat Kobal: clown suit Kronos: anything Lilith: sweaters or tee-shirts displaying the anarchy A sign Malphas: anything, but with slogan buttons Nybbas: anything, but with heavy make-up Saminga: shrouds Valefor: jeans and black leather jackets Vapula: stained white lab coats ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:43:02 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN>D20 >--- David Edelstein wrote: >> Gregg Forge wrote: >> >> > *gets out his fuda, and performs the Song of >> Seals while binding this >> > thread like a chinese vampire* >> > >> > Scuse me while I bleach my eyes. XD >> >> >> >> >> Oddly enough, I've been half-working on a D20 >> translation for IN. > >Grim Lord of Battles, it's contagious...* > >Moe > >*Although, I must admit that something like the >alignment rules would be pretty useful in codifying >and explaining Superior/Superior relations... > >No. God, no. Now _I've_ been infected. > >Save yourselves. > This is very odd. Normally, I infect people with the Haiku Meme Virus. Must be losing my touch. OB IN When Uriel went on his crusade, is it possible for him to have wiped out _all_ the non human races? This assumes the present day IN history is what will be written, of course. My mother once said that boy is stranger than a three toed barking frog -Daiv Tech Writer in service to coffee. - -- God Of tech support drunken master haiku geek butterfly victim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:22:53 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Servitors' dress > > Andrealphans: as little as they can get away with. > >In an IN Anime game, by the 'bikini rule' of the Anime Laws of >Physics...would this make them invulnerable? Close; what that does is gives a good reason for people to not go beating the tar out of Andrealphans. Everything AROUND them will get smashed (including, possibly, their more-concealed playthings and all of those nifty toys that see a thousand and five uses over the course of a night), which means the Andrealphan, though not as likely to get hurt personally, has got to play nice, and occasionally sychophant. Kamika-Z ...and, isn't that what they're good at, anywho? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:18:55 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Servitors' dress > Yves: anything ... with argyle socks. - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2688 ********************************