in_nomine-digest Saturday, June 29 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2689 In this digest: Re: IN> Servitors' dress IN> Request for assistance IN> Re: IN D20 IN> Geas Question Re: IN> Servitors' dress Re: IN> A plot seed offering Re: IN> Geas Question RE: IN> Geas Question RE: IN> Geas Question Re: IN> Geas Question Re: IN> Geas Question Re: IN> Geas Question IN> [ADMIN] Klez Commentary... IN> [ADMIN] Klez Commentary... Re: IN> Re: IN D20 Re: IN> Geas Question Re: IN> Re: IN D20 IN> Consider the Damned ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:51:49 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Servitors' dress From: "WonderGecko" > > > Andrealphans: as little as they can get away with. > > In an IN Anime game, by the 'bikini rule' of the Anime Laws of > Physics...would this make them invulnerable? As long as they didn't sprout tentacles... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:23:18 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> Request for assistance Hi folks, FYI: The mailing list digests from 12/31/2001 to the present (6/27/02) are now online, at http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/digests/. They are currently not searchable (one of my projects), and are listed by digest number (which usually amounts to chronologically). However: the reason I don't have the digests from 8/17/2001 to 12/30/2001 up is because, well, I don't have them. Which is why I'm looking for your help. Would a listmember with those digests (2333 - 2498) please email me PRIVATELY and let me know? Nota bene: PLEASE don't just send me the digests. That's 165 digests - almost as many as I've already uploaded - and they take up a *lot* of room. If I get four or five people sending me all 165 digests at once... PLEASE send me a note first, to make sure I haven't already found them from a different source. Thanks, EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:19:16 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Re: IN D20 As odd as it may seem, I've been considering something similar. At least, I've been thinking of adding a cosmology similar to In Nomine's own to the next D&D world I build, for it's Christian-like regions. I was considering making the major Superiors (like Michael, Novalis, Baal, Asmodeus, etc) into Greater Deities, the secondary Superiors (Khalid, Fleurity, etc) into Intermediary Deities, the Wordbound (Rex) into Lesser Deities, the ordinary high-power Celestials into Demigods, and so on... I even considered a few write-ups... Gabriel, Archangel of Fire Greater Deity Symbol: A Golden Flame Home Plane: Heaven - The Citadel of Fire Alignment: Chaotic Good Portfolio: Fire, Light, Inspiration, Retribution, The Divine Presence, The Purifying Flame, Prophecy Worshippers: Bards, Diviners, Evokers Fighters, Vigilantes, Zealots Cleric Alignments: CG, CN, NG Domains: Chaos, Fire, Glory, Good, Retribution, Sun Favored Weapon: The Sunburst (Morningstar) Dominic, Archangel of Judgement Greater Deity Symbol: The Scales of Justice Home Plane: Heaven - The Council Spires Alignment: Lawful Good Portfolio: The Law of Heaven, Justice, Judgement, Worshippers: Constables, Inquisitors, Judges, Law-Makers, Paladins, Wardens Cleric Alignments: LG, LN Domains: Community, Good, Fate, Law, Knowledge, Retribution Favored Weapon: The Executionner's Sword Laurence, Archangel of the Sword Greater Deity Symbol: A Silver Sword framed by Black Wings Home Plane: Heaven - The Celestial City Alignment: Lawful Good Portfolio: Nobility, Chivalry, Honor, Justice, Righteousness Worshippers: Paladins, fighters, monks, judges, constables Cleric Alignments: LG, LN, NG Domains: Glory, Good, Law, Nobility, Sun, War Favored Weapon: The Longsword Novalis, Archangel of Flowers Greater Deity Symbol: a Crown of flowers Home Plane: Heaven - The Glade Alignment: Neutral Good Portfolio: Flowers and other Plantlife, Forests, Agriculture, Peace, Life, Fertility Worshippers: Druids, Healers, Farmers, Woodcutters, Peacemakers Cleric Alignments: LG, NG, CG Domains: Community, Good, Earth, Healing, Plant, Protection Favored Weapon: Shortspear or Halfspear Baal, Demon Prince of the War Greater Deity Symbol: A Demon's Skull crossed by two swords Home Plane: Hell - Gehenna Alignment: Lawful Evil Portfolio: Tyranny, War, Evil, The armies of Hell Worshippers: Evil Creatures, Blackguards, Demonologists, Cleric Alignments: LE, LN, NE Domains: Destruction, Evil, Law, Nobility, Strength, War Favored Weapon: The Greatsword Belial, Demon Prince of Fire Greater Deity Symbol: A Dark Red Flame Home Plane: Hell - Sheol Alignment: Chaotic Evil Portfolio: Fire's Destuctive aspects, arson, immolation, torture by fire, incineration Worshippers: Arsonists, Evil Fire Creatures, Evokers, Anyone who uses Fire to harm others Cleric Alignments: CE, CN, NE Domains: Chaos, Destruction, Evil, Fire, Trickery, War Favored Weapon: The Tormenting Flame (Whip) Lillith, Princess of Freedom Greater Deity Symbol: Broken chains Home Plane: Hell - Shal-Mari Alignment: Chaotic Neutral Portfolio: Independance, Liberty, Freedom from all restraints, including moral restraints and responsibilities Worshippers: Prisonners, Rebels, Renegades, Anyone seeking freedom in one form or another. Cleric Alignments: CE, CG, CN Domains:Charm, Chaos, Liberation, Trade, Travel, Trickery Favored Weapon: Dagger Saminga, Demon Prince of Death Greater Deity Symbol: a Bloody Skull Home Plane: Hell - Abbaddon Alignment: Neutral Evil Portfolio: Death, Killing, The Dead, The Undead, Necromancy Worshippers: Necromancers, Assassins, Murderers, Death-Worshippers Cleric Alignments: CE, LE, NE Domains: Death, Destruction, Evil, Strength, Undeath, War Favored Weapon: Scythe ...More to come, when I think them up. ^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:48:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: IN> Geas Question I'm not entirely sure if this is covered in canon somewhere, as I don't have all the books, but, if it possible for a geas, say one for safekeeping an object to increase in value if the object i kept longer than the agreed upon time? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Servitors' dress >In an IN Anime game, by the 'bikini rule' of the >Anime Laws of >Physics...would this make them invulnerable? It would. And, it would also render them immune to temperature changes, no matter how extreme. I see potential problems for Gabriel and company in that..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:15 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> A plot seed offering cmccurry@earthlink.net (Cameron McCurry) wrote: > >All in all, I'm not sure Jean's people (by themselves) will have the > >resources to stop Dream TV once the avalanche is in motion. > Not by themselves, but Heaven is much better at cooperation than Hell. > It could be a matter of releasing evidence on how dangerous the machines > are. To the Host, or to Humanity? The latter could well have the "but I feel fine!" pitfall that has let The Media get so far already. > In the meantime, Marc can go after the companies that want to make > these and ruin their stock... ... so that the current Big TV combines, all servitors of The Media already, can acquire them, and re-run all their existing material "In Your Dreams(tm)". That lets people can catch up on the TV they missed at night (video time-shifting still requires you to find the time to watch the stuff, right? And makes for piracy, yes?) This lets them acquire even more power over the hardware companies, whom they hate for undermining their control, especially if recording Dream TV is hard-to-impossible, which might well be the case. There is, however, an obvious way out if Beleth can be got into solid and permanent opposition to the idea. It isn't a very nice way out, but it has possibilities. Lightning, Dreams and Nightmares together should be able to duplicate the Dream TV attunment. And then Dream TV can start bestowing migraines, some of the time, and occasional epileptic fits, and can probably be got banned, at least in some countries. Beleth might find herself with the options of redemption, or being jumped on by half of Hell - or even Lucifer himself. Of course, redemptions under these circumstances can get a bit unreliable; Beleth might crease to be. And then things get /really/ unpredictable. Where's Eli when you need him? - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Geas Question - --- Kanako Otaku wrote: > is it > possible for a geas, say one for safekeeping an object > to increase in value if the object i kept longer than > the agreed upon time? I would think not. Once the Geas is discharged neither party can _legally_ demand more recompense. Not that this would stop a demon: "The agreement was that I'd hold the item for one month. I held it for five weeks. The way I figure it, you owe me something extra." ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Be aware that most people are operating on a highly condensed version of the 10 Commandments... the part about murder." -- Mark Bricklin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:38:13 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Geas Question "The agreement was that I'd hold the item for one month. I held it for a month and then I sold it to an impudite. I'll tell you which one but it will cost ya. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:17:25 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: RE: IN> Geas Question >From: "Adams, David" >Subject: RE: IN> Geas Question >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:38:13 -0400 > "The agreement was that I'd hold the item for one month. > >I held it for a month and then I sold it to an impudite. I'll tell you >which one but it will cost ya. "How much? And remember, it's in your best interests to underbid my acquaintance Guido the Calabite, who is very experienced at twisting answers out of people. And Guido charges *very* reasonable rates." - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:15:34 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Geas Question >I'm not entirely sure if this is covered in canon >somewhere, as I don't have all the books, but, if it >possible for a geas, say one for safekeeping an object >to increase in value if the object i kept longer than >the agreed upon time? The Lilim had to first read a Need of a particular level; even a Need of "Keep this object safe indefinitely until I ask for it" would have a certain level, and that's what she'd get by doing the work. She might re-read him to see if the Need has increased in value since she started keeping it, but she then runs the risk of having the Need lessen. Cautious Lilim will only do this if they're fairly sure they can "renegotiate" better terms. Of course, there's no particular reason a Geas' reasons should be obvious to the Lilim. Need/6 : $0.50 (Re-affirmation of basic faith in the decency of humanity) Need/1 : Save daughter from fire (Set it, would rather have the life insurance) William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:04:30 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Geas Question > Of course, there's no particular reason a Geas' reasons should be obvious > to the Lilim. > > Need/6 : $0.50 (Re-affirmation of basic faith in the decency of humanity) > > Need/1 : Save daughter from fire (Set it, would rather have the life > insurance) > Heh! Interesting point. :) I've got my own Lilim question: K.K.'s write-up implies to me that it might be possible for Lilim to find Malakim in vessels merely by looking for the 'Need/Whatever (Smite evil)'--is this so? Or are there enough humans out there with a similar Need that it's not really a statistically safe bet? (Sorta like Malakim can find Balseraphs purely on the basis of their selfishness, but there are humans more selfish than the other Bands.) Oh, and how 'bout Malakim Oaths? Is force of suspicion enough that they are absolutely bound to kill something they suspect might be a demon, or...? - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:33:52 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Geas Question >>Oh, and how 'bout Malakim Oaths? Is force of suspicion enough that they are absolutely bound to kill something they suspect might be a demon, or...? They aren't absolutely bound. The last part of the first Oath reads "As long as it is my choice." And I don't think that a Lillim would be able to pick a Virtue out of a crowd that easily. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:35:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Klez Commentary... I'm getting Klez stuff that traces back to websitesource.com. If you are using websitesource.com, and have not checked yourself for the Klez virus, DO SO. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:35:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Klez Commentary... I'm getting Klez stuff that traces back to websitesource.com. If you are using websitesource.com, and have not checked yourself for the Klez virus, DO SO. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:24 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN D20 All right, all right, I've been talked into it... Steven rejected this for Pyramid. It appeared in an Interregnum, in print. But I hear IR is out of print on that issue, so... I'll leave the HTML markup for Italics and stuff in, since I don't have paragraph markings or font markings. (Which are the usual Evilnesses that require smitage.) And, most importantly, so if people like it, EDG can stick it into the INC more easily. O;> *pause* Crud, it's 15K. Must split.

Ready-Made Gods

So, you've got a group of players who rival the Knights of the Dinner Table (tm) for their love of hack&slay -- they want a campaign, you want something that won't bore you to tears. They want interventionist gods, you want a pantheon that's at least a little different than the last fifty kill-the-orc games you've run for your bloodthirsty little crowd. (Or maybe you all want a change of pace from heavy roleplaying, with a touch of humor...) Look no further, pilgrim; here is a ready-made pantheon of good and evil gods for your gaming pleasure, with an in-joke and secret decoder ring included at the end.

The Gods

In the beginning, there was a creation myth, probably involving one or more leaders of the two pantheons who then turned against each other (so we can have Good gods and Evil gods), or else some One Creator who either retired or sacrificed itself so that it could have pantheons. You're good, you can come up with something here. Don't forget a few "incestuous" relationships to get that Greek feel. Likewise, no names are given -- you'll want to customize those to your campaign world. If you have different races or cultures, spread these guys out a little; some are worshipped some areas, others in others.

The Good Gods

God of Beasts: Every pantheon needs someone to watch over the animals that will feed and carry the PCs. Pray to this god if you're a veterinarian or just trying to keep your sheep free of terminal mange. It doesn't hurt to engrave his symbol on your horses' bridles or horseshoes, either. However, be careful hunting -- get too wasteful or cruel to your prey, and maybe he considers that bear more devout than you! He'd be a good god for elves to revere -- and maybe lycanthropes. (Perhaps his priests are rumored to shapeshift...) Alignment: Orderly Feral. God of Champions: The patron of those who fight alone and turn into heroes, with a war-like priesthood. (Priestesses also accepted.) Very popular with PCs. Undoubtedly a human god (but see the dark gods, below, for an equivalent to give to orcs). Alignment: Chaotic Violent. God of Inspiration: Eureka! The patron of engineers, who build and design and invent. His priests advocate education, education, and more education, and can often be found playing truant officer to any stray children in the vicinity. They're a little obsessed with testing new devices to see if they work before they put them into use, though, so don't expect them to build a death-trap out of chewing gum and bamboo -- unless they really have to. He'd be a candidate for dwarven worship, as well as human; he might also appeal to GURPS Fantasy goblins. Alignment: Orderly Intellectual. God of Merchants: If you're buying, selling, or transporting the goods, this is the one you want on your side. He's not too picky, either, about whether you're on the right side of the law or not -- fences will pray to him for a good deal. His priesthood is known to be bankers and moneylenders. Another god likely to garner a multi-racial following, if only because merchants must ship goods all over. Alignment: Orderly Rich. God(dess) of Law: Everybody needs the God of No Fun, and here he (or she) is. Patron of judges, investigators, and anyone else who hands down judgments upon others -- like rambunctious PCs. Served by a somber lot of clerics who are often called in to, you guessed it, lay down the law. A pretty humano-centric deity, but giving him/her to some other race could produce an interesting view of their culture. Alignment: Lawful. Period. God(dess) of Life: This deity -- patron of mothers, fathers, and anything else living and about to create new life -- manifests as either gender, and is a fairly popular and powerful god/dess to worship, with temple prostitutes of both genders. The temples also serve as orphanages. Another deity likely to be multi-racial in his/her followers. (Woo! Elven temple prostitutes!) Alignment: Chaotic Fun. Goddess of Plants: Mother Nature and the patron of farmers. Her priestesses (and priests) are fond of fertility rituals -- it's a good party if the fields are bountiful afterwards. Also peaceful, but don't underestimate the stopping power of a tree -- or a well-aimed zucchini. Definitely a candidate for elven worship, as well as any short, pudgey agrarian races. Alignment: Orderly Floral. Goddess of Prophecy: Just don't sneer at "women's intuition" -- the followers of the patron of prophets believe that the future is written in a lady's hand. They're found star-gazing, crystal-gazing, or staring into the hearts of fires, waiting for that moment of inspiration when they get to speak in tongues. Definitely a fun one for non-human followers. Alignment: Chaotic Mystic. God of Rock: ...and metals, and gems... Patron of miners, blacksmiths, and jewelers. Not considered the brightest mind among the gods, but steady and patient. His priests (and a few priestesses) tend to be tightly-knit groups who go into a wilderness and civilize it. They're also fond of ordeals to prove they can withstand their spartan lifestyle. Good for dwarves! Alignment: Orderly Macho. Goddess of Sleep: Governing the realm of peaceful dreams and gentle hopes, this is one of the more boring of the Good pantheon. Still, she has her place as a healer -- especially of mental trauma. Got someone ready for the loony bin? Talk to these priests. Just to keep away from the elvish "peaceful treehugger" stereotype, make her an almost exclusively human goddess. Alignment: Orderly Peaceful. God of Soldiers: This fellow is the protector of soldiers, the town watch, and anybody else who's a combat-trained cog in a greater wheel. Unlike his associated God of Champions, this deity watches over those who work together in groups. His priests (and some priestesses) also work in groups. Well-armed groups, too. He's a humano-centric kind of god. Alignment: Orderly Dutiful God of Thought: A mystic and philosopher, who makes a good "wise old man" to run the pantheon. His priests are more reclusive than those of the god of Inspiration, prone to sitting on mountain tops and pondering the meaning of life. A lot of them are intimidatingly powerful mages, too. Urk. Popular among humans and elves, probably, as well as the occasional Yrth goblin.. Alignment: Orderly Enigmatic. God of the Weather: Weathermen aren't noted for a lot of accuracy, but these wandering priests do a pretty good job. They also get to perform minor weather-related miracles. Don't get them upset unless you want to get sent "over the rainbow" (and your little dog, too!). Good for humans and nature-oriented races (though not dwarves -- not much weather underground). Alignment: Chaotic. Period. emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch http://brie.bmsc.washington.edu/people/merritt/books/Eye_of_Argon.html "rumoured to contain hoards of plunder, and many young wenches" Mike [falsetto]: "We're tired of these degrading patriachical slurs! From now on we demand to be called 'wynchys.'" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:43:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Geas Question At 10:48 PM -0700 6/27/02, Kanako Otaku wrote: >I'm not entirely sure if this is covered in canon >somewhere, as I don't have all the books, but, if it >possible for a geas, say one for safekeeping an object >to increase in value if the object i kept longer than >the agreed upon time? Only if the Need is re-read, with a longer duration. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:06:57 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN D20 >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN D20 >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:24 -0400 [snip] >

Ready-Made Gods

As an anecdote, I'd like to mention that I've already started importing Archangels into D&D 3e... I'm running Sword & Sorcery's "Ghelspad" campaign setting, and due to a distaste for the writeup of their deity Madriel, I just blipped her out -- and wrote in Novalis, Lady of Mercy, Patroness of Redemption, Goddess of Healing. (Oh, and agriculture.) Given that at least half of my players also have some IN experience, that's had a good effect on gameplay... they have a much better 'feel' for this deity than they would for some stranger. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:57:21 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> Consider the Damned What, you want to talk to me? Nobody ever wants to *talk* to me. Sure, I go out. Sit in the corner, where nobody can see the shame on my face. Watching everybody else have a good time. Wishing I could be out there with them. They won't even give me the damned time of day, though. Not me. Sure, I have a job. All they want to do is give me orders. Go there, do that. Nobody ever hangs around to chat. Last guy who did - well - let me tell you, it wasn't pretty. One of the other guys sprouts batwings and starts beating the hell out of him, well, nobody much talks to me after that. What's wrong with me? Just about everything. That job I said pays me enough to eat, maybe a little extra so that next time I can chip in on the supplies I use. Family? None to speak of. I mean, I have relatives, but they don't want to talk to me either. Pillars Of The Community, y'see, and I'm a bum. Didn't make enough of myself for dad. Yeah, I got a kid. Two years old. His mom left about a year ago - said I didn't give her enough respect. That was when I had a real job, instead of what I do now. But I didn't spend enough time with her or the baby, and now someone else is gonna go to my kid's high school graduation as "Daddy". Her leavin' it was that got me fired from my old job. Apparently taking a week off to sulk isn't good enough for retail. So I sat down a while back and figured it all out. If my relatives don't want me, and my wife and kid don't want me, and my job doesn't want me, then there must be something wrong with me, you know? Somethin' up top that just isn't workin' right. So I got this job. These folks, they don't ask much. Just go there, do that, and at the end of the week I get a couple bucks to buy food. Last week they didn't even give me that. That guy I mentioned with the batwings, he came over and took about two-thirds of what I was getting. Told me I didn't deserve it. So here I am. Yeah, that's a bomb. They want it to go off in about a minute, so I'd get out of here if I were you. I figure I'll set a five-second timer. Yeah, I know. So what? ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2689 ********************************