in_nomine-digest Sunday, July 7 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2698 In this digest: Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? Re: IN> The prison of the Destined IN> Re: Celestial outside the Symphony Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? IN> Brownies IN> Turnovers IN> The Doughnut IN> The Philosopher's Scone Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony Re: IN> Brownies Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony IN> Exciting New Contest! Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? Re: IN> Forwarded from my better half... Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony Re: IN> IN Gawds Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? Re: IN> Exciting New Contest! Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? [ADMIN] 7-bit ASCII (was Re: IN> Forwarded from my better half...) IN> Re: ETHEREALS outside the Symphony? Re: IN> Re: ETHEREALS outside the Symphony? Re: IN> Brownies Re: IN> The Doughnut Re: IN> Brownies Re: IN> The Philosopher's Scone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:25:20 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? I believe part of it stems from the fact that Celestials are not native to Earth nor a part of its Symphony. When they come here, it's usually in a Role which "tricks" the Symphony into thinking that they are a part of things. But since they are not truly human, their actions can cause Disturbance. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The prison of the Destined The only problem I see with this is that it almost certainly wouldn't have lasted very long after Heaven found out about it. This is exactly the sort of thing that Blandine, Yves and Michael would all escalate to extreme force on. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:06:24 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Re: Celestial outside the Symphony My understanding is that celestials are every much a part of the Symphony as humans, but their role is on the *celestial* plane, not the corporeal. They're not supposed to be interfering on the corporeal plane, but they're free to do as they please on the celestial plane. Actually, I just thought of an interesting point. God cannot be omnipotent/infallible in IN. Why? Well, if we assume that disturbances in the Symphony are caused by celestials *changing* the way things are supposed to be, doesn't that mean they're effectively changing God's plan? He might *plan* for Joe to walk across that road, but that calabim in that speeding truck is sure going to change that. Sure, you can argue God had *planned* for the calabite to do that, but then wouldn't that be a part of the Symphony, and not cause a disturbance? Just my thoughts. Milan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 18:48:15 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:06:24 +0930 G N E Z D A said unto us: >>Well, if we assume that disturbances in the Symphony are caused by celestials *changing* the way things are supposed to be, doesn't that mean they're effectively changing God's plan? Not necessarily. The plan itself could be on such a grand scale that the slight changes imposed by angels and demons wouldn't alter it. Of course, no one's going to know the answer at all (Or not for a loooong time). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? - --- W S wrote: > Okie. > > So, EVERYTHING is a part of the Symphony, yes? And > yet, Celestials cause Disturbance and can't directly > influence their Word strength and can't form > Tethers... why? Because they aren't a part of the > Symphony. I thought it was because they weren't native to the Corporeal plane. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: IN> Brownies I blame Moe. - -EDG Brownies They're tasty. They're nutritious (three food groups). And if they wiggle when you eat them ... well, it happens sometimes. Don't worry about it. The problem with servitors of Lightning is that they don't always have the little voice in the back of their heads that tells them that what they're doing might not be such a great idea. Most of the time, these servitors get put into support roles - but they still have access to the labs... Brownies are a result of one of these angels. Fresh-baked chocolate treats with wings and four short legs, they mostly spend their days running in their wheels and flying about the labs. They do have one particular property that makes them quite valuable, however: anyone who eats one gains all of the Essence that the Brownie had accumulated. (Being as they're two-Force creatures, they don't usually have a lot... but it can be useful in a pinch.) Whether this makes them one-use living Reliquaries or special creatures is anyone's guess. CorF: 1 Str: 1 Agi: 3 EthF: 1 Int: 1 Pre: 3 CelF: 0 Wil: 0 Per: 1 Skills: Running on a wheel/3, Flying/2 Vessel: Brownie/1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:26:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: IN> Turnovers I still blame Moe. This one might be less traceable, though. - -EDG Turnovers There is evidence that Brownies can Fall, and therefore that they are creatures rather than living artifacts, and that evidence comes in the form of Turnovers. These tri-cornered beasts have no wings and no proper legs: rather, they have claws which appear one to a corner and can be retracted for stealth purposes. They also have a flaky crust and a delightful fruit filling. Turnovers await victims with their claws retracted, but attack as soon as they are picked up. Sinking their claws into their victims, they drain 1 Essence per attack (up to their natural capacity); their claws have Power +1 and Accuracy -1 (although they use the Fighting skill to attack), dealing 1 hit per round after the first until they are detached. Vapula takes credit for Turnovers, although there is no evidence to indicate that he created them. In fact, the fact that the first Turnover appeared only after the first Brownie disappeared from Heaven is evidence to indicate that Turnovers are Fallen Brownies. This troubles Jean. CorF: 2 Str: 6 Agi: 2 EthF: 0 Int: 1 Pre: 1 CelF: 0 Wil: 1 Per: 1 Skills: Fighting/2, Stealth/3 Vessel: Turnover/1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:32:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: IN> The Doughnut Oddly, I haven't had pastry for *weeks*. - -EDG The Sugar-Coated Extra-Crispy Bavarian Creme-Filled Donut of Doom This is not a creature: this is a weapon. Trust the Malakim of Eli to come up with an explosive like this: created during a battle in a doughnut and bagel shoppe, the Sugar-Coated Extra-Crispy Bavarian Creme-Filled Donut of Doom is an explosive. On contact, the doughnut detonates with a Power of +6 (added to the check digit of the user's successful Throwing roll). On a failed roll, the doughnut still hits, but does not detonate; rather, it sticks for CD rounds and then drops off (although it can be detached with a Strength roll, at a penalty of 6 - the CD of the Throwing roll, and used by the intended victim). After exloding, the doughnut reforms after a number of hours equal to the damage it caused, on a paper plate on the nearest flat horizontal surface to the explosion. If it is eaten (it _is_ tasty), it reforms with its creator within the next 6 days. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:37:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: IN> The Philosopher's Scone This gets blamed on Eric B. (He's gonna kill me for that.) - -EDG The Philosopher's Scone Not quite a sought-after alchemical ideal, but it's fairly valuable anyway. An ancient pastry that still has yet to go bad or stale, the Philosopher's Scone can transmute filling from one type to another, simply by being placed into contact with the filling. It can transmute up to three cups of filling (by volume), once per day, into any other type of filling that the bearer desires. If the Philosopher's Scone is eaten, it is destroyed forever, but causes untold digestive problems to the eater for the next 3 days. An observed effect that seems to be a simple special effect is that if the Philosopher's Scone is referred to as the Sorcerer's Scone, it ceases to function entirely - as a transmuter and as a foodstuff (petrificus totalus) - for days equal to the speaker's Celestial Forces. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:23:23 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony But, the fact that they're causing disturbances, shows that they *are* altering things a little. Even if it's only a pinprick to the overall plan, some parts of it are still changing. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron McCurry" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:06:24 +0930 G N E Z D A > said unto us: > > >>Well, if we assume that disturbances in > the Symphony are caused by celestials *changing* the way things are supposed > to be, doesn't that mean they're effectively changing God's plan? > > Not necessarily. The plan itself could be on such a grand scale that the > slight changes imposed by angels and demons wouldn't alter it. Of course, no > one's going to know the answer at all (Or not for a loooong time). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 03:38:26 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:23:23 +0930 G N E Z D A said unto us: >>But, the fact that they're causing disturbances, shows that they *are* altering things a little. Which is a side effect of being on Earth when they are not native to it. It's kind of like a small amount of foreign matter being introduced into a sterile environment. But what is to say that even these alterations are not a part of the grand plan? Or what if God imposed the rules of Disturbance as a method of keeping the Celestials on both sides from pushing things too far on Earth? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:30:49 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony But if the disturbance only occurs because it is *against* the grand plan. If things went completely according to the plan (whether celestial intervention was a part of that or not), then there would be no disturbance. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron McCurry" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:23:23 +0930 G N E Z D A > said unto us: > > >>But, the fact that they're causing disturbances, shows that they *are* > altering things a little. > > Which is a side effect of being on Earth when they are not native to it. It's > kind of like a small amount of foreign matter being introduced into a sterile > environment. > > But what is to say that even these alterations are not a part of the grand > plan? Or what if God imposed the rules of Disturbance as a method of keeping > the Celestials on both sides from pushing things too far on Earth? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:27:33 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Brownies >From: "Christopher Anthony" >Whether this >makes them one-use living Reliquaries or special creatures is anyone's >guess. >Skills: Running on a wheel/3, Flying/2 >Vessel: Brownie/1 Cestial Canabalismm in Heaven? *chuckle* Hmm, labrats for heaven, that happen to taste good too. Reminds me of an episode of V. *has an immage of a seraph holding a brownie by a bag leg above its mouth* Toodles Cas _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:43:49 -0400 From: Robb Kidd Subject: Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony * G N E Z D A (gnezda@netadvantage.com.au) wrote: > But if the disturbance only occurs because it is *against* the grand plan. > If things went completely according to the plan (whether celestial > intervention was a part of that or not), then there would be no disturbance. Conversations about disturbance come up often in our game. We've come to the conclusion that disturbance is not really about violations to some plan, but about things out of place. How quiet is the Celestial plane? One can assume that Celestials don't cause a disturbance in their Celestial form, but what about Song use? Does performing a Song or spending Essense cause a disturbance in Heaven or Hell? We've decided that it does, but in a "natural" sort of way -- like you'd expect to hear traffic in the city. In the quiet rural area of the Corporeal plane, though, all this mucking about by extraplanar beings is more noticable because it's not "natural" to that low light- and noise-pollution plane. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Exciting New Contest! Yes, it's that time again: time for a new enshrining of really, really bad ideas! The rules are simple: most people here probably have at least one Superior concept that has been quietly shelved, locked away and/or deliberately suppressed from memory. You know. THAT writeup. The writeup that you'd never, ever dare let anyone know was ever on your mind, 'cuz you don't want people looking at you funny. Time to exhume it: just remember the list rules about size and whatnot...* Moe *Yes, I'll be doing one, too. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:33:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? At 2:12 PM -0700 7/6/02, W S wrote: >Okie. > >So, EVERYTHING is a part of the Symphony, yes? And >yet, Celestials cause Disturbance and can't directly >influence their Word strength and can't form >Tethers... why? Because they aren't a part of the >Symphony. They're part of the Symphony, but they're not native to the corporeal realm -- Earth. It's like when the drummer moves into the Woodwinds section. Every time he plays something, it's in the wrong place... If he's really good at faking being a woodwind player, then he can sometimes play along and no one notices that he's really a drummer. (That's a Role.) If he slips up or gets the beat wrong, they notice anyway. Oops. >Furthermore- Celestials did, at one time, create >Tethers. Mostly by creating everything else- when >Gabriel created the Sun, it became a Tether to Fire. It's arguable that it became a Tether IMMEDIATELY after its creation. It probably took a while. Mind, "a while," even if it was a few million years, wasn't so long back then, but still. O:> Divine Interventions, IIRC, _can_ create Tethers (IF AND ONLY IF the GM wills!). God gets to make Tethers. If God decided that the elemental Tethers should be formed, even though celestials had some hand in making the corporeal bits, then Tethers formed. Absolute Power and all that. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:29:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Forwarded from my better half... At 12:28 AM -0400 7/6/02, Robb Kidd wrote: >* Elizabeth McCoy (emccoy@nh.ultranet.com) wrote: >> Yes! (But, er, could you switch to 7bit? ...) > > Thank YHWH someone else mentioned this. >The =20s alone were driving me batty. Techinically, it's in the listrules, actually. 7bit plain ascii... - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:35:10 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Celestial outside the Symphony At 11:43 AM -0400 7/7/02, Robb Kidd wrote: > How quiet is the Celestial plane? One can assume that >Celestials don't cause a disturbance in their Celestial form, but >what about Song use? Does performing a Song or spending Essense >cause a disturbance in Heaven or Hell? We've decided that it does, >but in a "natural" sort of way -- like you'd expect to hear traffic >in the city. Yes, that's about right. Demons appearing in Heaven, or angels in Hell, also cause disturbance. (See the errata for _Heaven & Hell_, online! O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:26:41 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN Gawds At 12:30 AM -0400 7/6/02, S.D. wrote: >>Goddess of Chaos: Have fun, live fast, die young, leave a blazing fireball behind. A real party goddess, with a taste for seducing anything that moves. (It doesn't tend to move so well afterward, but hey.) Great for all races! Alignment: Chaotic Exhausting. > >I recognize everybody else (though I thought Destruction was Baal for a while), >but who's this based on? I'd guess Lilith, if only because she doesn't seem to >be represented (yet), but it doesn't seem to fit... It's supposed to be Lilith. As noted, I tended to fiddle with various aspects of them so they weren't _total_ ripoffs. That was just the aspect that seemed to fit best for the thing. ("Anarchy" would have been good as well, but seemed a bit anacronistic for some reason.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:31:49 -0400 From: "Fu" Subject: Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? "...because they are not native to the corporeal plane." Do ethereals on the corporeal cause disturbance? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:47:49 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Exciting New Contest! > from memory. You know. THAT writeup. The writeup > that you'd never, ever dare let anyone know was ever > on your mind, 'cuz you don't want people looking at > you funny. Geez, Moe, I didn't think my Archangel of the Aether was THAT bad an idea. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:58:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Celestials outside the Symphony? At 3:31 PM -0400 7/7/02, Fu wrote: >"...because they are not native to the corporeal plane." > >Do ethereals on the corporeal cause disturbance? Yup. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:06:07 -0400 From: Robb Kidd Subject: [ADMIN] 7-bit ASCII (was Re: IN> Forwarded from my better half...) * Elizabeth McCoy (emccoy@nh.ultranet.com) wrote: >* Robb Kidd wrote: >>* Elizabeth McCoy (emccoy@nh.ultranet.com) wrote: >>> Yes! (But, er, could you switch to 7bit? ...) >> >> Thank YHWH someone else mentioned this. >>The =20s alone were driving me batty. > > Techinically, it's in the listrules, actually. 7bit > plain ascii... I've noticed that it's from the web-mailers. (Yahoo and Hotmail.) The list server does the MIME conversion voodoo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:20:54 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Re: ETHEREALS outside the Symphony? >From: Elizabeth McCoy >At 3:31 PM -0400 7/7/02, Fu wrote: > >"...because they are not native to the corporeal plane." > > > >Do ethereals on the corporeal cause disturbance? > >Yup. Anyways, Seeing as we dont have the EPG out yet, could someone care to expand on the hows and whys of the ethereals in the corporeal realm? Seeing as we now know they cause disturbance, could some one let us know how often (if they stay in guide to a role would they still cause Disturbance none the less frex.) Do Ethereals get essnce other than from worship/belief? If so, how? Do they have rites and so forth that if they follow like a demon or angel, get essence apon completion of said rite? Angels get essence at dawn, humans get it at noon, demons get it at dusk, so do ethereals get it a midnight? If so, then the marches might not be as protected as blandine would like to let every one know, seeing as theres a lot of time between angels getting thier rush and the ethereals getting thiers.. Beleth wont be so bothered by it as the demonic rush happens closer to the ethereal time so they are still a little beefed up by it. Do the Ethereal Gods act like AA's and DP's having ranks of lower popwered beings below them? Can they create them or are they limited by the mythos that surrounds the entity in question? Do Ethereal Tethers have similar things to Seneshals? If so, i cant wait to see what some one makes of the Stone Henge or Cydonia seneshals... Presumably they Ethereals cause disurbance should they enter heaven and hell, so why does heaven guard its walls so much if they know that whoever apears will suddenly cause a whole lot of noise and be crippled by the discord that follows said intrusions? Do the Ethereals have varients onthe song of sheilds that slows the signs of intrusion? Is that why heaven watches its walls? Anyways, enough rambling.. Cas *Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be Evil.* In Nomine @ http://www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/i-n.html In Nomine yahoo @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inveritas ADnD forum @ http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk ADnD stuff @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:11:19 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: ETHEREALS outside the Symphony? At 8:20 PM +0000 7/7/02, cassandra benner wrote: >>From: Elizabeth McCoy >At 3:31 PM -0400 7/7/02, Fu wrote: >> >"...because they are not native to the corporeal plane." >> > >> >Do ethereals on the corporeal cause disturbance? >> >>Yup. > > >Anyways, Seeing as we dont have the EPG out yet, could someone care to >expand on the hows and whys of the ethereals in the corporeal realm? Well, it's still in playtest, so for $15 you can get access... >Do Ethereals get essnce other than from worship/belief? Sometimes. >If so, how? See the EPG. >Do they have rites and so forth that if they follow like a demon or angel, >get essence apon completion of said rite? Sometimes, IIRC. >Angels get essence at dawn, humans get it at noon, demons get it at dusk, so >do ethereals get it a midnight? This is in the main book. >If so, then the marches might not be as protected as blandine would like to >let every one know, seeing as theres a lot of time between angels getting >thier rush and the ethereals getting thiers.. And vice versa. >Do the Ethereal Gods act like AA's and DP's having ranks of lower popwered >beings below them? Sometimes. >Can they create them or are they limited by the mythos that surrounds the >entity in question? Sometimes. >Do Ethereal Tethers have similar things to Seneshals? Yes; see the Liber Castellorum. >Presumably they Ethereals cause disurbance should they enter heaven and >hell, They can't get in. so why does heaven guard its walls so much if they know that whoever >apears will suddenly cause a whole lot of noise and be crippled by the >discord that follows said intrusions? >From demons. See the errata page for Heaven & Hell. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Brownies So what happens if you wash these down with Jean's Special Blend? 0:;:> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:20:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Doughnut My eyes glazed as I read this. I couldn't quite sink my teeth into it, but I'm sure that munchkins would have a taste for this item. I'll take a powder now. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:22:34 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Brownies >>So what happens if you wash these down with Jean's Special Blend? 0:;:> If it's a Reliver, they fledge into an Ofanite. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Philosopher's Scone - --- Christopher Anthony wrote: > An observed effect that seems to be a simple special > effect is that if > the Philosopher's Scone is referred to as the Sorcerer's > Scone, it ceases to function You just couldn't resist having some fun at J.K. Rowling's expense, could you? 0:> Let me see now -- Brownies, Turnovers, Doughnut of Doom, Philosopher's Scone... you didn't by any chance plan doing a Baker's Dozen of Artifacts, did you? ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2698 ********************************