in_nomine-digest Monday, July 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2714 In this digest: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN> Judgement and the Game Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part III Re: IN> How Lilith Got Her Word IN> Alternate version of Lilith pt1 Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN> Judgement and the Game Re: IN> Animal Crackers Re: IN> Animal Crackers Re: IN> The Game's Pieces Re: IN> The Game's Pieces Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:28:48 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed From: "Sirea Theyal" > > > Hmm... yeah, true... I guess in my version I have Belial stuck in Hell and > Gabriel earthside, giving her a chance to become lucid... though that would > be an excellent triggering event. Belial goes boom, Tethers go vroom! I would reverse that sequence, actually. The tethers start sucking in all celestials as Gabriel and Belial fight each other, with the AA of Fire too crazed to notice. She and Belial have both drawn the entirety of their beings down to the site of their conflict (as Belial had to do this to avoid losing to Gabriel, forcing reciprocal action from Gabriel. . . .) Waitaminute. That's the perfect reason to have the Big Suction take place! The corporeal section of the Symphony has simply been too damaged by all the angels and demons rampaging through it over the years. So when the entirety of an archangel and demon prince are concentrated on a single spot, that's what makes things snap! So anyway, Belial dies from the combined efforts of Gabriel and the soldier of Fire who times a shot to the head of Belial's vessel at just the right time, and the shock of the loss of Word friction makes Gabriel unable to retain all of herself on Earth. The damage that she suffered at Belial's hands makes the one vessel she has incarnate fall into a comatose state, however, leading to plot seeds centered around either protecting it, or trying to kill it before she can once again regain consciousness. Ooooooh, shiny. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:47:12 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > >I would reverse that sequence, actually. The tethers start sucking in all >celestials as Gabriel and Belial fight each other, with the AA of Fire too >crazed to notice. She and Belial have both drawn the entirety of their >beings down to the site of their conflict (as Belial had to do this to >avoid >losing to Gabriel, forcing reciprocal action from Gabriel. . . .) > >Waitaminute. That's the perfect reason to have the Big Suction take place! >The corporeal section of the Symphony has simply been too damaged by all >the >angels and demons rampaging through it over the years. So when the entirety >of an archangel and demon prince are concentrated on a single spot, that's >what makes things snap! hey, I didn't think of it that way. Subtle disturbance makes corporeal plane go boomies! It would be funny to see a meeting of Superiors at the Notre Dame cause this... would be a good way to make sure (x) amount of Heavens AA's are in one place when it happens. > >So anyway, Belial dies from the combined efforts of Gabriel and the soldier >of Fire who times a shot to the head of Belial's vessel at just the right >time, and the shock of the loss of Word friction makes Gabriel unable to >retain all of herself on Earth. The damage that she suffered at Belial's >hands makes the one vessel she has incarnate fall into a comatose state, >however, leading to plot seeds centered around either protecting it, or >trying to kill it before she can once again regain consciousness. > >Ooooooh, shiny. Wait- does part of her go to Heaven, or is all of her forced into her vessel when she takes a nap? And I liiiiike said plot seed. - -Sirea, who always imagined the Belial/Gabe final fight to look like it was out of a good anime movie, with the whole "pass by hitting each other at the same time, and then the loser drops dead" thing. Yeah. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:09:34 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed From: "Sirea Theyal" > > Wait- does part of her go to Heaven, or is all of her forced into her vessel > when she takes a nap? And I liiiiike said plot seed. I would have most of her get pulled back to Heaven. The only superiors I would have retain all their power would be Eli and Lilith, with the corporeal incarnations of the rest being reduced to 18-force celestials with Word forces to back them up. And thank you! > -Sirea, who always imagined the Belial/Gabe final fight to look like it was > out of a good anime movie, with the whole "pass by hitting each other at the > same time, and then the loser drops dead" thing. Yeah. Something along those lines, yes. :::) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:16:20 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >From: "Prodigal" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:09:34 -0500 > >From: "Sirea Theyal" > > > > Wait- does part of her go to Heaven, or is all of her forced into her >vessel > > when she takes a nap? And I liiiiike said plot seed. > >I would have most of her get pulled back to Heaven. The only superiors I >would have retain all their power would be Eli and Lilith, with the >corporeal incarnations of the rest being reduced to 18-force celestials >with >Word forces to back them up. And thank you! Ah... I got ya. Like I suggested for other Superiors. That would be cool... and then you get to protect a cute redhead gal/guy until they wake up! yay! ^-^ > > > -Sirea, who always imagined the Belial/Gabe final fight to look like it >was > > out of a good anime movie, with the whole "pass by hitting each other at >the > > same time, and then the loser drops dead" thing. Yeah. > >Something along those lines, yes. :::) Or for you more kaboom/DBZ types, Belial gets disentigrated after Gabriel powers up and blasts Belial with her x10 Archangelic Fire Ray of Prophectic Doom. Or something. Yeah. -_-;; _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:17:52 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prodigal" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > I would have most of her get pulled back to Heaven. The only superiors I > would have retain all their power would be Eli and Lilith, with the > corporeal incarnations of the rest being reduced to 18-force celestials with > Word forces to back them up. And thank you! Actually, for a real mind-bender, have the *only* Superior who retained full power be Lilith. After all, Lilith /is/ human. She's a totally natural part of the Symphony as far as Earth is concerned. No other Superior enjoys that status. Of course, a campaign with Lilith as the only Superior on Earth -- well, good thing that Freedom can't set itself up as a ruler of any kind, but still.... ... I am not qualified to imagine just how interestingly weird this scenario could get. But some of you /are/. :-) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:48:14 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed From: "Charles Glasgow" > > Actually, for a real mind-bender, have the *only* Superior who retained full > power be Lilith. > > After all, Lilith /is/ human. She's a totally natural part of the Symphony > as far as Earth is concerned. No other Superior enjoys that status. Good point. I'd still have Eli retain at least most of his full power, though, since he's had almost 50 years to entrench himself Earthside. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:29:21 -0600 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Steven E. Ehrbar wrote: > Eli hoped to be the only Superior left when the time came, giving him > the opportunity to tilt the War definitively in Humanity's favor. And > at first he thought he'd managed it . . . . . . but then he saw Nybbas on television. Now the Host and the Horde send their finest into the Marches, seeking to control the lastmeans of influencing events on Earth -- mortal dreamscapes. While on Earth, the Impudite and Mercurian Superiors settle into a war of ideas and propaganda, surgical strikes and low-intensity conflict. Fate and Destiny now ride in mostly-mortal hands . . . - -- Steven E. Ehrbar ehrbar@softhome.net stevenehrbar@elp.rr.com We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't believe in tolerance and free speech. - David Brin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Judgement and the Game I've actually run a campaign using only Dominicans, so I know how....odd they can be. If you plan to use one, I guess he'd be better of incognito, if he's investigating someone. Maybe a close friend or some sort of acquaintance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part III Good Superior. Don't send it all in one day though, I was reprimanded once for sending out two separate 10k files. I think it's just one big post a day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> How Lilith Got Her Word >Fear the human born as a Superior. >Fear the Nephalim born as a Superior so much more. The kid would probably not really like Lilith too. Considering her apparent lack of maternal skills and all. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: IN> Alternate version of Lilith pt1 This is just an off beat little version of Lilith I cooked up. Don't know about anyone else, but this version makes more sense to me. Lilith, Superior of Freedom part 1 "The world is a place of freedom. Let's keep it that way." One of a kind. Unique. No other words could possibly hope to describe Lilith better. Definitely the most powerful human alive, she defies Heaven and Hell's prowess by being an inependent Superior, yet keeps them at bay by being invaluable to them. The fact that she has figured out how to travel to all the planes easily, she holds much tactical information on both sides. As well, her Daughters, the Lilim are useful to both sides. Her power base is stable, unshakeable. She does business with both sides, with enough cunning and manipulation to keep both sides at bay. She has secrets that only she herself, and probably Yves, knows. Her reaction to a certain plan of any Superior from both sides are factors in their decisions and plans, as she has become the ultimate wild card in this War. Being that she has not chosen a side, putting herself out as a simple businesswoman, she has the freedom to do virtually anything she wants. Virtually. History: Made by God's hands, Lilith is special, and she knows it. Nobody really knows why, or how she left Eden in the first place, and Lilith isn't talking. She wandered some time after that, the Symphony and every Celestial in existence watching her every move with more than just a passing curiosity. She learned the tricks of the sorcerer's trade, the Songs of the Symphony, the cunning she would need to survive for centuries to come. Of course, she was no Superior. Not yet anyway. Humanity was just starting out, proving an exquisite opportunity. The Ethereals were beginning to make humans worship them, enslaving them in their power. Lilith didn't even bother to watch, she did something about it. She was a fierce opponent, even for them, and she showed it. She beat back those who she saw far too restrictive on humanity's freedom. In turn, some humans began to worship *her*. She was, of course, a hands free "deity", helping anyone who called on her willingly, for an appropriate Geas of course. As she progressed, thy Symphony slowly began attuning a Word to her. She noticed this, scoffing at first at the concept of being bound to a Word, but found that she was given one that suited her just fine: Freedom. The Angels noticed this little turn of events, as well as how Lilith's power was steadily growing. Reactions were varied, as many Celestials interpreted her power growth in many ways. She didn't reallycare for their opinions on her, as long as she wasn't bothered. A few saw her, as well as the rest of humanity, as a threat. If she could gain that much power, they feared other humans could too. And humanity's population was on the increase. Others saw her a sign, that humans were equals to Celestials, not meant to be abused and toyed with, but respected and aided along in their growth. Others found her a cruel joke, a warning that God was not pleased with them and that Lilith would be the first of a race that would one day eradicate them. Of course, all these theories were started in a suspicious manner........ When the Fall of Lucifer came, she payed little attention. To her, all Celestials are alike, be they Angels, or Demons. Hell and all within it were trapped, in need of someone to release them. Obviously, no Angel would do that, so the only being powerful enough to provide them with an escape route was Lilith. Lucifer, the Lightbringer understood this, and proceeded to get to work on getting her to let them out, by any means. He knew this was for Hell's, and his own future, so he handled it himself. Lilith agreed, but only after asking for a payment that woul secure her future. The last Force she needed to become a Superior. The arrangement was simple, Lilith would open a Tether for Hell, though the life span would only be a few decades,if they didn't make their own Tethers within that time, it would close and those in Hell would be trapped. In return, Lucifer granted her her place as a human Superior. She, however, refused Lucifer's offer to transform her into a Demon Princess, wisely seeing it as something that would restrict her Freedom. As the War progressed, she kept doing business with both sides, her Lilim became quite valuable. She makes them free to choose for themselves a Destiny in Heaven, a Fate in Hell, or an uncertain future with her. Few ever take the last option, many finding work among the Angels or Demons more appealing. Over the centuries, she established a strong power base on the corporeal world, as well as small branch offices in Heaven and Hell. Now, at the dawn of the 21st century, her business is more profitable than ever, as she notices both sides gearing up for a large scale movement. Both sides more willing than ever to work with her, for temporary use of her multitude of corporeal assets, nearly all of which are unknown to Heaven and Hell. This alarms her to an extent, for if either side wins, she'll be of *very* little use, and may even be a threat. So, while it may seem an interesting twist, as in some ways, she was one of the causes of the Fall, out of fear she does her best to keep this War from ending. Personality: Lilith does not tolerate forcibly restricting the Freedom of others, or of herself. However, should a being want to be deprived of their Freedom, it is their choice and she sees herself as having no power, or right to interfere in the matter. She enjoys a good time, as much as any human, but knows when it is time for business. She takes no Geas lightly, trying to keep from invoking them unless the situation desperately calls for it. However, she prefers to let a Geas over a human be called in early, while she holds on to a Geas over a Celestial as long as possible. She may say she doesn't care which side wins, but in truth, she would rather have both sides eradicate each other. For if they do, that leaves her as the most powerful being in creation. While she doesn't plan on being a tyrannical ruler, the very thought of being the most powerful is an appealing one to her. She is confident that she will not abuse it, should the time come. After all, she hasn't abused her power yet. However, there are a few Superiors she wouldn't mind having around. Rumors abound concerning Lilith's romantic involvements with various Superiors, some of which are completely unbelievable. She dismisses these rumors, seeing them as nothing more than unmitigated drivel. Still, she can't deny that some of the more outrageous ones make her smile. Unfortunately, Lilith isn't keen on getting involved with someone like that anytime soon, feeling that doing so now would either be restrictive of her Freedom or she may find herself restricting the other's Freedom. On a completely unrelated note, i've just posted the first chapter of my Love Hina/In Nomine crossover on Fanficiton.net. My pen name is "Kanako Otaku" there. Hope you read it! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:11:17 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II >Subject: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:01:00 +0000 > Wow. -Wow-. That does it. We need a Grigori book. And THIS HAS TO BE IN IT. Kamika-Z, who would tweak the wording JUST a bit, but still...wow. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:39:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain I really liked this writeup! A few suggestions... Eklizeal couldn't have gone Malakite over Oannes' destructions - that only happened at the Fall. Since then, no angel has ever refledged as a blackwing. > Seraphim (R): By expending 3 essence, a Seraph of the Rain can see anyone in > a vessel for what they truly are, with the vision lasting for check digit > minutes. This only works in a natural rainstorm. Powerful, but costly and (somewhat) limited, so balanced. I only say "somewhat" because her Masters can make rainstorms automatically... but at least it still won't work, say, indoors. > Cherubim (PR): If the attuned of the Cherub is destroyed, he can get rid of > the dissonance by washing their attuned for one hour in natural rainwaters. > This must be done within one day of the attuned being destroyed, and only > one dissonance can be removed by this method. I'm leery of any built-in ability to remove dissonance. This seems to be saying that her Cherubim find their attunements destroyed so often, that she's exempting them from their dissonance conditions. (I'm also unsure why you specify "only one dissonance" - destruction can only cause one dissonance; though others may be caused by other things like betrayal or failure to protect against other things.) Dissonance is an important part of the game... when you exempt an angel from it, there's nothing to balance their actions. I'm not sure what I'd replace it with, though... perhaps steal from the Kyrio attunement (which doesn't work as written), and say that their attuned are immune to feeling anger, with a bonus equal to the Cherub's Celforces to resist resonances/songs/etc. to make them angry or violent. > Ofanim (R): Wheels of the Rain can _ignore_ their choir dissonance > conditions if they are in a natural rainstorm, OR they can automatically get > the Walk in the Rain attunement. ACH... despite your eloquent defense of this attunement, I can't see how this is at all a good thing. No dissonance at ALL? So an Ofanite can slack off and postpone doing whatever important thing they had to, as long as they're hangin' out in a rainstorm? No way. I get the feeling that you don't like the dissonance conditions in IN... I'd suggest just doing away with them in your game instead of just making Servitors of Rain immune to theirs. My suggestion: Take the Walk in the Rain attunement, remove the Essense cost, and make it the Ofanite attunement. > Elohim: These Elohim will know automatically what will calm down an angry > person- note though, that sometimes this will be impossible to do for the > person, especially if they are a demon or angel. Perfectly logical. Good attunement. > Malakim (PR): For 3 essence, these Malakim can make the next attack that > hits do soul damage, regardless of whether the target is in celestial form > or not. I'd STRONGLY suggest adding: "This cannot do the final hit that would remove a Force", like Andre's destroyers get... otherwise, this is VERY, VERY powerful. Just imagine these guys with a few grenades. And why is it partially restricted? I don't see anything involving their resonance. > Bright Lilim: Bright Lilim of the Rain can make any negative Need disappear > if they get the target to stay out in the rain for one hour per level of > Need while talking to the Lilim about it. The target must have some desire > to not want the Need anymore though. Who defines "negative"? > Kyriotates: Whomever the Dominations of the Rain possess will be calm and > relaxed, no matter how mad they may normally get; they are immune to feeling > anger. The host can add the Kyrio's ethereal forces to their resistance > rolls for any discord relating to anger. This attunement doesn't do anything. Hosts have their consciousness DISPLACED to the Marches when possessed. Admittedly, this will help them have nicer dreams while there... :) I think you're thinking of Shedim. I suppose the ability to possess water is a bit trite... can't think of anything else to replace it with. > Mercurian: Eklizeal's Mercurian's can sense any Servitor of Belial or Oannes > on the spot with a perception roll, and from then on their vessel will glow > with either a red (Belial), or blue (Oannes) light. Useful, though rather specialized. > Grigori (R): Grigori of the Rains can become invisible as per the corporeal > Song of Invisibility when they are directly in the rain of a natural storm. I think you mean Ethereal Song of Form; there's no Song of Invisibility. One thing that needs clarifying is whether the angel (A) must buy the song, (B) must roll the dice, (C) must pay Essence, as well as whether the Song has a duration. If NONE of those apply, then this is quite overpowered. They should either have to buy the Song and roll the dice (like Eli's Kyrios) or pay the Essence (like Jean's Mercs); either way, the regular duration should apply. Otherwise, this would be powerful, even for a Servitor attunement. > Walk in the Rain: For one essence, the angel will know the most direct way > (like a 6 on a Ofanim resonance) to the closest natural rainstorm. Like I said, I'd remove the essence cost (it's a weak ability) and make it the Ofanite attunement. > Storm Blade: For one essence, the angel can make the rain damage one target, > doing 1 hit per second, lasting for (angels forces) seconds. Neat ability! Balanced, too. > Water of Life: Can cast the corporeal Song of Healing for free when in a > natural rainstorm. Cool and useful. > Show me Heaven: For 4 essence, the angel can make all tethers become tinted > a certain color when in a natural rainsotrm. Hrm... in my opinion, there are too many secret and hidden Tethers to allow this ability - I know it would certainly disrupt my games. My last IN adventure was along the lines of "We have evidence of a Tether to Hell in the area - please find out where and what it is". I guess it depends on how you use Tethers, though, and this might fit other games just fine. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Yes, yes, yes, I'm the one that's been killing all those people, but I'm also the creative force behind Happy Noodle Boy, so forgive me and shut up." -- Johnny the Homicidal Maniac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > >Lesser probability? Dominic always has at least one > Corporeal Vessel. > > Does he? I know he checks up on his Servitors weekly, > but I didn't know if it was continuous. It wouldn't have to be continuous, but canon suggests that it is very, very frequent. If he checks up on his Servitors weekly (by their reckoning), how much time Dominic spends on Earth is entirely a function of how many Servitors he has. Even with Superior multitasking, he can only cover so many in one day -- which means he's probably on Earth for most of the day for at least two days a week. More if you use the high-end estimates of the number of Celestials on Earth at any given time. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Judgement and the Game My own (sadly defunct) campaign had _two_ Judges in it, though one was a former Creationer. The combo worked rather well; the uptight Seraph kept the group on track while the messy auto mechanic Ofanite drove the getaway car and provided a buffer between the Seraph and the rest of the group. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Animal Crackers - --- Christopher Anthony wrote: > Cracker Jacks Ah, this is why I throw out random comments; to get stuff like this. Thanks, Chris. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Animal Crackers - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > After all -- a "cracker jack" is akin to a "jack of all > trades," right? I didn't even see that coming. Guess that's karma paying me back for the "Horny" line. 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Game's Pieces [applause] ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:59:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Game's Pieces - --- Sirea Theyal wrote: > It's funny though- if Asmodeus is the King, doesn't that > make him solely dependant upon his pawns? ^_~ That's where a piece of chess terminology that most people don't know comes in. The King is actually Azzie's fall guy, a powerful Word-bound with plenty of power and too much ambition. If something really blows up, the King is the one who takes the heat for it. Azzie just smiles and watches. For all the pieces on the board, including the King, are bound by the rules. But Asmodeus, in his role as the Arbiter, enforces the rules. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > good thing that Freedom can't set itself up as a ruler of > any kind Not so. Lilith can't set herself up as a dictator. But if a nation freely elected her as its ruler, well... ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:08:24 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed William J. Keith wrote: > > Dominic always has at least one Corporeal Vessel. > > Does he? I know he checks up on his Servitors weekly, but I didn't > know if it was continuous. Hardly matters if he has enough servitors. *Some* chunk of him would almost always be on Earth, making a weekly check with *someone*. Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > And the Grigori, of course. Yes, and there's a good chance they'd now outnumber all other celestials put together. And, being the Disturbance-sensitive Watchers, will soon know a great deal about the situation. Interesting pictures of angels coming, haloes in hand, to Grigori for help. Even more interesting if the Superiors stuck on Earth are stripped of the bulk of their power while Grigori Superiors, such as the canonical Song and any others you care to throw in, are not. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:13:31 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >From: Michael Walton >Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:04:59 -0700 (PDT) > > Not so. Lilith can't set herself up as a dictator. But >if a nation freely elected her as its ruler, well... ... she still couldn't turn herself into a dictator. Lilith might become President of the United States (1), but her Word-nature wouldn't be able to handle her turning herself into Queen of the World. Even if she was the only full-powered Superior left on it. - -- Chuckg (1) Which is /another/ mind-bending idea seed, come to think of it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:29:32 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II A very interesting Archangel. Given the history of the Grigori and her own Word, it would be nice to tie Eklizeal into the tale of Noah's Flood, along with the history already given. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:17:47 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain > > > >I really liked this writeup! A few suggestions... Thanks ^-^ > >Eklizeal couldn't have gone Malakite over Oannes' destructions - that only >happened at the Fall. Since then, no angel has ever refledged as a >blackwing. I know, it was more of a metaphorical statement. She got SERIOUSLY ticked off when Oannes kicked the bucket. > > > Seraphim (R): By expending 3 essence, a Seraph of the Rain can see >anyone in > > a vessel for what they truly are, with the vision lasting for check >digit > > minutes. This only works in a natural rainstorm. > >Powerful, but costly and (somewhat) limited, so balanced. I only say >"somewhat" because her Masters can make rainstorms automatically... but at >least it still won't work, say, indoors. Nope. If it says it works only in a storm, that means ONLY in the storm directly, unless stated otherwise. And there aren't many Masters running around to help angels. > > > Cherubim (PR): > >I'm leery of any built-in ability to remove dissonance. This seems to be >saying that her Cherubim find their attunements destroyed so often, that >she's exempting them from their dissonance conditions. (I'm also unsure >why you specify "only one dissonance" - destruction can only cause one >dissonance; though others may be caused by other things like betrayal or >failure to protect against other things.) Dissonance is an important part >of the game... when you exempt an angel from it, there's nothing to >balance their actions. > >I'm not sure what I'd replace it with, though... perhaps steal from the >Kyrio attunement (which doesn't work as written), and say that their >attuned are immune to feeling anger, with a bonus equal to the Cherub's >Celforces to resist resonances/songs/etc. to make them angry or violent. I kinda got stuck on the Cherubim... I'm still not sure what would be good for them, and this seemed okay at the time. Like I said, it needs major proofreading. > > > Ofanim (R): Wheels of the Rain can _ignore_ their choir dissonance > > conditions if they are in a natural rainstorm, OR they can automatically >get > > the Walk in the Rain attunement. > >ACH... despite your eloquent defense of this attunement, I can't see how >this is at all a good thing. No dissonance at ALL? So an Ofanite can slack >off and postpone doing whatever important thing they had to, as long as >they're hangin' out in a rainstorm? No way. I get the feeling that you >don't like the dissonance conditions in IN... I'd suggest just doing away >with them in your game instead of just making Servitors of Rain immune to >theirs. > >My suggestion: Take the Walk in the Rain attunement, remove the Essense >cost, and make it the Ofanite attunement. Oh! I'm fine with the dissonance conditions ^^; it's just that... I paint Eklizeal as being VERY careful, and she takes a LOT of time with her plans, and needs excellent execution. It wouldn't help to have a Ofanite going crackers with dissonance from having to wait so much. They can't slack, it's just she's scared they'll rush in and blow everything. She's... a wee bit biased against Ofanim also. But yeah. I need to revise this or make it more specific it someway. > > > Malakim (PR): For 3 essence, these Malakim can make the next attack that > > hits do soul damage, regardless of whether the target is in celestial >form > > or not. > >I'd STRONGLY suggest adding: "This cannot do the final hit that would >remove a Force", like Andre's destroyers get... otherwise, this is VERY, >VERY powerful. Just imagine these guys with a few grenades. And why is it >partially restricted? I don't see anything involving their resonance. Doh. Forgot about that rule. Your right, I'll add that in. And ignore the PR, I forgot they didn't really need it. > > > Bright Lilim: Bright Lilim of the Rain can make any negative Need >disappear > > if they get the target to stay out in the rain for one hour per level of > > Need while talking to the Lilim about it. The target must have some >desire > > to not want the Need anymore though. > >Who defines "negative"? Negative, as in selfish and bad. The Lilim may have to talk the person into not wanting it, the same way someone could talk a person into dieting and not wanting bad foods. It's up to the person though. Maybe I should revise this. > > > Kyriotates: Whomever the Dominations of the Rain possess will be calm >and > > relaxed, no matter how mad they may normally get; they are immune to >feeling > > anger. The host can add the Kyrio's ethereal forces to their resistance > > rolls for any discord relating to anger. > >This attunement doesn't do anything. Hosts have their consciousness >DISPLACED to the Marches when possessed. Admittedly, this will help them >have nicer dreams while there... :) I think you're thinking of Shedim. > >I suppose the ability to possess water is a bit trite... can't think of >anything else to replace it with. Well... can't Kyrio's "ride" the subject, without actively posessing them? Maybe I am thinking of Shedim... spoot. I thought of water possession, but that was lame. I need for input and time to think of a suitable one for these guys. > > > Mercurian: Eklizeal's Mercurian's can sense any Servitor of Belial or >Oannes > > on the spot with a perception roll, and from then on their vessel will >glow > > with either a red (Belial), or blue (Oannes) light. > >Useful, though rather specialized. True. Note though that she spends a lot of time hunting down Belial's servants. It's over 50% of her agenda. I may change it though. This was the last one I made, and it took a while to even come up with something... > > > Grigori (R): Grigori of the Rains can become invisible as per the >corporeal > > Song of Invisibility when they are directly in the rain of a natural >storm. > >I think you mean Ethereal Song of Form; there's no Song of Invisibility. >One thing that needs clarifying is whether the angel (A) must buy the >song, (B) must roll the dice, (C) must pay Essence, as well as whether the >Song has a duration. If NONE of those apply, then this is quite >overpowered. They should either have to buy the Song and roll the dice >(like Eli's Kyrios) or pay the Essence (like Jean's Mercs); either way, >the regular duration should apply. Otherwise, this would be powerful, even >for a Servitor attunement. No song of invisibility? I need the book of songs... I could have sworn there was one. I think I confused it with something else. I'm bad with songs... I basically wanted to give them the power to become partially invisible when DIRECTLY in natural rain, looking kinda like the Predator. If they get noticed though, the power ends. I do need to assigns an essence cost though. Thanks for pointing this one out. > > > Walk in the Rain: For one essence, the angel will know the most direct >way > > (like a 6 on a Ofanim resonance) to the closest natural rainstorm. > >Like I said, I'd remove the essence cost (it's a weak ability) and make it >the Ofanite attunement. Probably... I wanted to make this available to everyone, since they're powers are mostly useless without natural rain. And how easy is it to locate a natural and long lasting rainstorm on the fly? > > Show me Heaven: >Hrm... in my opinion, there are too many secret and hidden Tethers to >allow this ability - I know it would certainly disrupt my games. My last >IN adventure was along the lines of "We have evidence of a Tether to Hell >in the area - please find out where and what it is". I guess it depends on >how you use Tethers, though, and this might fit other games just fine. Your right... maybe I should limit to Belials Tethers or something. But remember, no one is going to be using them, since they work for Eklizeal, much less destroy them. I wanted the angels to be able to know hot spots so as to not be discovered. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2714 ********************************