in_nomine-digest Monday, July 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2715 In this digest: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part III Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN> The Game's Pieces Re: IN> I've had a bit of a go at the skills system Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN> The Game's Pieces Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:19:14 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part III >Good Superior. Don't send it all in one day though, I >was reprimanded once for sending out two separate 10k >files. I think it's just one big post a day. Really? Ack! I will not invoke DP Beth, I will not invoke DP Beth... *runs off and cries* But seriously, if that is the rule, I'm sorry and will post it once a day. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:26:32 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > >From: "Charles Glasgow" > > > > Actually, for a real mind-bender, have the *only* Superior who retained >full > > power be Lilith. > > > > After all, Lilith /is/ human. She's a totally natural part of the >Symphony > > as far as Earth is concerned. No other Superior enjoys that status. > >Good point. I'd still have Eli retain at least most of his full power, >though, since he's had almost 50 years to entrench himself Earthside. OH, all you have to do to retain full power is to not get sucked up in anyway... Lilith would be fine, as would Eli is he dodged with enough timing. Otherwise, your an 18 forces or LESS angel/demon with Word forces backing you up. And you are in a seriously bad mood, but that doesn't need to be said. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:30:33 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > >Steven E. Ehrbar wrote: > >>Eli hoped to be the only Superior left when the time came, giving him the >>opportunity to tilt the War definitively in Humanity's favor. And at >>first he thought he'd managed it . . . > >. . . but then he saw Nybbas on television. > >Now the Host and the Horde send their finest into the Marches, seeking to >control the lastmeans of influencing events on Earth -- mortal dreamscapes. > While on Earth, the Impudite and Mercurian Superiors settle into a war of >ideas and propaganda, surgical strikes and low-intensity conflict. Fate >and Destiny now ride in mostly-mortal hands . . . You know, that's it. That would be perfect. Have the only full powers be Eli, Nybbas, and Lilith. Eli good, Nybbas evil, Lilith "nuetral". With a few 18 force or less quasi-Superiors running around cut off from their host mind, and a bunch of weirded out angels/demons. Let the propaganda wars begin! With this set up, it's about covering the damage earth doesn't care about (too much anyway) of humans being brainwashed or tempted. And trying to stop the earth from being even more hurt than before. I leave it up to individual GM what punishment the Corp plane extracts on violators, but I make mine the punishment of the earth extending the down time, and maybe even some nasty karma eating the celestial up... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:33:32 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II >> > > Wow. > > -Wow-. > > That does it. We need a Grigori book. And THIS HAS TO BE IN IT. > >Kamika-Z, who would tweak the wording JUST a bit, but still...wow. > > Geese ^^; thanks. I didn't think it's that great... but I'd die of geek-happiness if I could actually write and contribute material to Steve Jackson games, especially stuff like this. I'd do it. For no pay! Well... maybe a little pay ^_~ But really, thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:35:32 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain, part II > >A very interesting Archangel. Given the history of the >Grigori and her own Word, it would be nice to tie Eklizeal >into the tale of Noah's Flood, along with the history >already given. > >Earl I would, but I left that to the writeup I saw once of an Angel of the Flood. Eklizeal would have helped I'm sure, but it would a task she would seriously balk at... she did have families of her own, and Nephallim or not, she loved them dearly. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:39:01 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > And the Grigori, of course. > >Yes, and there's a good chance they'd now outnumber all other >celestials put together. And, being the Disturbance-sensitive >Watchers, will soon know a great deal about the situation. >Interesting pictures of angels coming, haloes in hand, to Grigori >for help. Even more interesting if the Superiors stuck on Earth >are stripped of the bulk of their power while Grigori Superiors, >such as the canonical Song and any others you care to throw in, >are not. > >Earl Oh, they do outnumber them. When I said 3%, I meant of earthside Heaven/Hell celestials. I didn't even count the Grigori. And yes, every last Grigori AA is at full and functional power, and are LOVING this quiet. They could even start a family or two again... And do you know how I said before the Purging, there was a faint roar in the Symphony? That was like a screaming air raid siren to them. They knew alright _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:40:04 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> The Game's Pieces > >--- Sirea Theyal wrote: > > It's funny though- if Asmodeus is the King, doesn't that > > make him solely dependant upon his pawns? ^_~ > > That's where a piece of chess terminology that most >people don't know comes in. The King is actually Azzie's >fall guy, a powerful Word-bound with plenty of power and >too much ambition. If something really blows up, the King >is the one who takes the heat for it. Azzie just smiles >and watches. > For all the pieces on the board, including the King, are >bound by the rules. But Asmodeus, in his role as the >Arbiter, enforces the rules. > Oh, I see... he's the chess player of course, not the king. Or maybe he still is but a piece in Lucifer's hand... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> I've had a bit of a go at the skills system I don't know GURPS very well, so I have little idea how good the conversion is. I like the idea of specializations and add-ons, though I'm used to the terms Focus and Specialty, respectively. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Constructive criticism time again. Let's see... - --- Sirea Theyal wrote: > Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain > > "The World will be healed by soft rains..." Ahhhh. I, too, am a Bradbury fan. 0:> > Seraphim (R): By expending 3 essence, a Seraph of the > Rain can see anyone in > a vessel for what they truly are, with the vision lasting > for check digit > minutes. This only works in a natural rainstorm. For an Attunement this powerful I'd prefer that a Perception roll was required. Also, does the Attunement merely say, "that's a Vessel, not a body," or does the angel get as much detail as, "That's a demon/angel/Ethereal?" If the latter, it should definitely require a test. > Elohim: These Elohim will know automatically what will > calm down an angry person > Malakim (PR): For 3 essence, these Malakim can make the > next attack that > hits do soul damage, regardless of whether the target is > in celestial form or not. Not sure what these have to do with the Word of Rain; I suppose the Elohim Attunement has to do with the calming aspects, but soul damage? > Grigori (R): Grigori of the Rains can become invisible as > per the corporeal > Song of Invisibility when they are directly in the rain > of a natural storm. I presume you mean the Ethereal Song of Form? > Storm Blade: For one essence, the angel can make the rain > damage one target This is pretty cool. I recommend changing "seconds" to "rounds," though. > Water of Life: Can cast the corporeal Song of Healing for > free when in a natural rainstorm. This is cooler still. > Show me Heaven: For 4 essence, the angel can make all > tethers become tinted > a certain color when in a natural rainsotrm. The color > depends the Word, > like reddish-pink for Lust, sickly gray for Technology, > vibrant green for > Flowers, or whatever the GM feels like. The angel will > know if it is an > Infernal or Divine tether on a perception role. If the Tethers are already color-coded by Word, why a Perception to tell if it's divine or infernal? Suggestion: give them divine or infernal automatically and require a Perception roll to determine which Word. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > Lilith might become > President of the United States (1), but her Word-nature > wouldn't be able to > handle her turning herself into Queen of the World. > Even if she was the only full-powered Superior left on it. True. But as you said, she could get herself elected President (or Prime Minister, or whatever) -- and history shows us that the velvet glove can have a grip as powerful as that of the iron fist. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Game's Pieces - --- Sirea Theyal wrote: > Oh, I see... he's the chess player of course, not the > king. Even worse; he's the guy who watches the players to make sure that nobody's cheating (not when he doesn't want them to, anyway). > Or maybe he still is but a piece in Lucifer's hand... That's surely what he fears -- and rightly so. };> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Sirea Theyal wrote: > >I'm not sure what I'd replace it with, though... perhaps steal from the > >Kyrio attunement (which doesn't work as written), and say that their > >attuned are immune to feeling anger, with a bonus equal to the Cherub's > >Celforces to resist resonances/songs/etc. to make them angry or violent. > > I kinda got stuck on the Cherubim... I'm still not sure what would be good > for them, and this seemed okay at the time. Like I said, it needs major > proofreading. I may be the only one who feels that an attunement to remove dissonance for no cost (honestly, an hour of washing something in the rain is hardly a "cost") is too powerful - it may depend on how the GM treats dissonance. I give players plenty of warning that it's coming whenever possible, and if they can't or don't alter things, they get dissonant... and it's treated rather seriously (even by Eli, who worries more than yells). I don't like trivializing it, and consider "working it off at one point a week in a Tether" the standard against which 'dissonance removal' should be set. Again, I recommend stealing the Kyrio attunement for the Cherubim. > Oh! I'm fine with the dissonance conditions ^^; it's just that... I paint > Eklizeal as being VERY careful, and she takes a LOT of time with her plans, > and needs excellent execution. It wouldn't help to have a Ofanite going > crackers with dissonance from having to wait so much. They can't slack, it's > just she's scared they'll rush in and blow everything. She's... a wee bit > biased against Ofanim also. But yeah. I need to revise this or make it more > specific it someway. Why not just state, for clarity, that her Ofanim don't take dissonance if Eklizeal or one of her Masters ORDERS the Wheel to wait, regardless of the rainstorm thing? Because, as you've got it, making the Ofanite wait will STILL drive it into dissonance... unless it follows rainstorms around for the whole time of the wait. Imagine after three days of planning, Eklizeal comes back, ready to execute the attack against Belial's tether. "Excuse me, has anyone seen Lazrijal?" "Not for three days, Great Lady. He had to follow the storms which passed through town to avoid incurring dissonance. I believe he's somewhere near Milwakee by now." "Oh. Well... so much for our demolitions man." Loosening the dissonance restrictions slightly in one specific way is no biggee. But when you give the ANGEL the means by which they can avoid ALL dissonance... that defeats the purpose of dissonance, IMHO. I'd strongly suggest revising the Ofanite attunement as follows - bear in mind that changing Walk in the Rain to a choir attunement STILL MEANS that everyone can have it! It just means that the PCs playing in your game only have to spend 5 points instead of 10. :) _____ Ofanim (PR): As Eklizeal often implements many careful plans that may require a long wait, her Wheels do not take dissonant from inaction if specifically ordered to wait by Eklizeal or one of her Masters. They also always know the distance and direction to the nearest rainstorm. (The ability to find rain may be purchased by other choirs, and in fact, can be found among virtually all Servitors of the Rains. While not mandatory, an angel without this attunement will never advance far in Rain's service.) _____ That's a fair treatment of the Ofanite/dissonance thing, and it makes the nearly-mandatory ability less expensive... which is a good thing, IMO, as it's not a very powerful ability. I'd chaff at having to spend 10 points on it, personally... but 5 would be okay. :) > >Who defines "negative"? > > Negative, as in selfish and bad. The Lilim may have to talk the person into > not wanting it, the same way someone could talk a person into dieting and > not wanting bad foods. It's up to the person though. Maybe I should revise > this. Maybe clarify it just a little. > >This attunement doesn't do anything. Hosts have their consciousness > >DISPLACED to the Marches when possessed. Admittedly, this will help them > >have nicer dreams while there... :) I think you're thinking of Shedim. > > Well... can't Kyrio's "ride" the subject, without actively posessing them? > Maybe I am thinking of Shedim... spoot. Nope, and yes you were. > I thought of water possession, but that was lame. I need for input and > time to think of a suitable one for these guys. Yeah... I'm honestly blank here. HEY, ANYONE ELSE READING THIS! ANY IDEAS? > True. Note though that she spends a lot of time hunting down Belial's > servants. It's over 50% of her agenda. I may change it though. This was the > last one I made, and it took a while to even come up with something... It's a good attunement, it is! Specialized isn't always bad. > No song of invisibility? I need the book of songs... I could have sworn > there was one. I think I confused it with something else. I'm bad with > songs... I basically wanted to give them the power to become partially > invisible when DIRECTLY in natural rain, looking kinda like the Predator. If > they get noticed though, the power ends. I do need to assigns an essence > cost though. Thanks for pointing this one out. No need to "figure out" an Essence cost - just use the one from the Song. Stealing liberally from Jean's Merc attunement and the Ethereal Song of Form, we get... _____ Grigori: Grigori of the Rains may turn almost invisible while in a natural rainstorm. Others must make a Perception roll minus the Grigori's Ethereal Forces (in addition to any vision penalty for the rain, as set by the GM) to see him, and any rolls to attack the angel are reduced by the same penalty. This ability costs 1 Essence and lasts for the angels Ethereal Forces times ten minutes; it stops working if he leaves the rain, but will resume if he reenters the rain again at no additional Essence cost. _____ This is another one that shouldn't be partially restricted, as far as I can tell. No resonance involvement here. > > > Walk in the Rain: > > Probably... I wanted to make this available to everyone, since they're > powers are mostly useless without natural rain. And how easy is it to locate > a natural and long lasting rainstorm on the fly? Firstly, choir attunements are available to everyone, unless restricted. And secondly, it isn't necessarily EASY... but it also isn't incredibly powerful or useful. It's worth having, but I think it would be better if made less expensive. > > > Show me Heaven: > > >Hrm... in my opinion, there are too many secret and hidden Tethers to > >allow this ability - I know it would certainly disrupt my games. My last > >IN adventure was along the lines of "We have evidence of a Tether to Hell > >in the area - please find out where and what it is". I guess it depends on > >how you use Tethers, though, and this might fit other games just fine. > > Your right... maybe I should limit to Belials Tethers or something. But > remember, no one is going to be using them, since they work for Eklizeal, > much less destroy them. I wanted the angels to be able to know hot spots so > as to not be discovered. Like I said, it might work okay in some games, maybe even most. This is one where I'm definitely putting a huge "IMHO" on my feelings. :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Catholics." -- Lady Whiteadder, Blackadder II ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:21:15 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain > Constructive criticism time again. Let's see... > >--- Sirea Theyal wrote: > > Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain > > > > "The World will be healed by soft rains..." > > Ahhhh. I, too, am a Bradbury fan. 0:> Ah HA! I KNEW I got that from somewhere! I simply love subconcious idea-stealing *laughs* > > > Seraphim (R): By expending 3 essence, a Seraph of the > > Rain can see anyone in > > a vessel for what they truly are, with the vision lasting > > for check digit > > minutes. This only works in a natural rainstorm. > > For an Attunement this powerful I'd prefer that a >Perception roll was required. Also, does the Attunement >merely say, "that's a Vessel, not a body," or does the >angel get as much detail as, "That's a >demon/angel/Ethereal?" If the latter, it should definitely >require a test. Yeah... I'm considering really restricting this. As far as I would go, the Seraphim would get a flash of insight about the rough nature of the being, with better perception roles giving more deatil, up to the point of knowing what it was (angel/demon/ethereal). > > > Elohim: These Elohim will know automatically what will > > calm down an angry person > > > Malakim (PR): For 3 essence, these Malakim can make the > > next attack that > > hits do soul damage, regardless of whether the target is > > in celestial form or not. > > Not sure what these have to do with the Word of Rain; I >suppose the Elohim Attunement has to do with the calming >aspects, but soul damage? One word- Belial. They need to kill servitors of Fire fast and permanently, and without causing a ruckus. It may not have much to do with Rain directly, but it does have to do with crushing Belial like a slimy bug. > > > Grigori (R): Grigori of the Rains can become invisible as > > per the corporeal > > Song of Invisibility when they are directly in the rain > > of a natural storm. > > I presume you mean the Ethereal Song of Form? Yeah- I'm bad with songs. Will be revised > > > Storm Blade: For one essence, the angel can make the rain > > damage one target > > This is pretty cool. I recommend changing "seconds" to >"rounds," though. Sorry ^^; I'm a GURPS fiend, I cross terminology a lot. > > > Water of Life: Can cast the corporeal Song of Healing for > > free when in a natural rainstorm. > > This is cooler still. > > > Show me Heaven: For 4 essence, the angel can make all > > tethers become tinted > > a certain color when in a natural rainsotrm. The color > > depends the Word, > > like reddish-pink for Lust, sickly gray for Technology, > > vibrant green for > > Flowers, or whatever the GM feels like. The angel will > > know if it is an > > Infernal or Divine tether on a perception role. > > If the Tethers are already color-coded by Word, why a >Perception to tell if it's divine or infernal? Suggestion: >give them divine or infernal automatically and require a >Perception roll to determine which Word. > Yeah, I was going to change this, since they would have a color coding system as is, with no need to see if it's infernal or divine after. I like your version more. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:30:20 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > > > Lilith might become > > President of the United States (1), but her Word-nature > > wouldn't be able to > > handle her turning herself into Queen of the World. > > Even if she was the only full-powered Superior left on >it. > > True. But as you said, she could get herself elected >President (or Prime Minister, or whatever) -- and history >shows us that the velvet glove can have a grip as powerful >as that of the iron fist. I see Lilith as doing a few things- either trying to liberate humanity from Heaven and Hell as much as she can, setting up her own celestial neutral realm, or just gathering massive favors among the stranded celestials, who will need a lot of help, and building up her power base. Of course, throughout all of this, she will be promoting her Word a lot more than before. Her as president would be... interesting... to say the least ^_^ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:41:04 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain > *Dissonance* > > It is dissonant for Servitors of the Rain to incite > anger in someone for any > reason, unless it is to help save their life from > immediate danger. The > dissonance leaves if the angel can directly placate > the angry person within > the next (total forces) minutes. Angels of the Rain > have to be very careful > with the words they choose, and tend to keep a low > profile, lest they become > ash piles of dissonance... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't, say, destroying /any/ Infernal Tether almost instantly cause every angel of the Rain involved to drop to the Pit from the onrush of anger that would provoke in Hell? All it'd take it pissing off six demons, one after another... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:57:04 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain >I may be the only one who feels that an attunement to remove dissonance >for no cost (honestly, an hour of washing something in the rain is hardly >a "cost") is too powerful - it may depend on how the GM treats dissonance. >I give players plenty of warning that it's coming whenever possible, and >if they can't or don't alter things, they get dissonant... and it's >treated rather seriously (even by Eli, who worries more than yells). I >don't like trivializing it, and consider "working it off at one point a >week in a Tether" the standard against which 'dissonance removal' should >be set. > >Again, I recommend stealing the Kyrio attunement for the Cherubim. Your right- it would be far more useful to a Cherubim to have the Kyrio power, as they deal with angry subjects a lot more often. I'll put that in the rewrite I'll do sometime today or whenever I get enough beatings- uh, I mean, "constructive criticism" *giggles* ^^ > >Why not just state, for clarity, that her Ofanim don't take dissonance if >Eklizeal or one of her Masters ORDERS the Wheel to wait, regardless of the >rainstorm thing? > >Because, as you've got it, making the Ofanite wait will STILL drive it >into dissonance... unless it follows rainstorms around for the whole time >of the wait. Imagine after three days of planning, Eklizeal comes back, >ready to execute the attack against Belial's tether. > >"Excuse me, has anyone seen Lazrijal?" > >"Not for three days, Great Lady. He had to follow the storms which passed >through town to avoid incurring dissonance. I believe he's somewhere near >Milwakee by now." > >"Oh. Well... so much for our demolitions man." > >Loosening the dissonance restrictions slightly in one specific way is no >biggee. But when you give the ANGEL the means by which they can avoid ALL >dissonance... that defeats the purpose of dissonance, IMHO. > >I'd strongly suggest revising the Ofanite attunement as follows - bear in >mind that changing Walk in the Rain to a choir attunement STILL MEANS that >everyone can have it! It just means that the PCs playing in your game only >have to spend 5 points instead of 10. :) >_____ > >Ofanim (PR): As Eklizeal often implements many careful plans that may >require a long wait, her Wheels do not take dissonant from inaction if >specifically ordered to wait by Eklizeal or one of her Masters. They also >always know the distance and direction to the nearest rainstorm. > >(The ability to find rain may be purchased by other choirs, and in fact, >can be found among virtually all Servitors of the Rains. While not >mandatory, an angel without this attunement will never advance far in >Rain's service.) >_____ > >That's a fair treatment of the Ofanite/dissonance thing, and it makes the >nearly-mandatory ability less expensive... which is a good thing, IMO, as >it's not a very powerful ability. I'd chaff at having to spend 10 points >on it, personally... but 5 would be okay. :) *laughs* that was a great way of pointing out how that wouldn't work... and the more you bring it up, the more I like the idea of Ofanim being able to find storms as their attunement. I guess I would feel odd having every character with the Ofanim attunement, but then, this would make Ofanim more important to the group. And yeah, less exspensive = better :/ thank you for that, I was stumped on the Ofanim. Maybe I should play more before I go making Superiors, huh? o_o; > > > >Who defines "negative"? > > > > Negative, as in selfish and bad. The Lilim may have to talk the person >into > > not wanting it, the same way someone could talk a person into dieting >and > > not wanting bad foods. It's up to the person though. Maybe I should >revise > > this. > >Maybe clarify it just a little. Yeah. I guess I wanted a way to "clean away the bad" like the rain does, and I wanted Lilim that took AWAY Needs instead of fufilling them, and before their Dark Sisters get to the person. > >Nope, and yes you were. > > > I thought of water possession, but that was lame. I need for input and > > time to think of a suitable one for these guys. > >Yeah... I'm honestly blank here. > >HEY, ANYONE ELSE READING THIS! ANY IDEAS? Yeah, I'll dump this and give it to the Cherub's, they'll get a lot more use from it. Hmm... I need to think of something unique and useful for these buggers. > >No need to "figure out" an Essence cost - just use the one from the Song. >Stealing liberally from Jean's Merc attunement and the Ethereal Song of >Form, we get... >_____ > >Grigori: Grigori of the Rains may turn almost invisible while in a natural >rainstorm. Others must make a Perception roll minus the Grigori's Ethereal >Forces (in addition to any vision penalty for the rain, as set by the GM) >to see him, and any rolls to attack the angel are reduced by the same >penalty. This ability costs 1 Essence and lasts for the angels Ethereal >Forces times ten minutes; it stops working if he leaves the rain, but will >resume if he reenters the rain again at no additional Essence cost. >_____ > >This is another one that shouldn't be partially restricted, as far as I >can tell. No resonance involvement here. I like this a lot more. Crikey, this is what I get for being a newbie to mechanics. It's balanced, and sensible. Give me a year, I'll be experienced in game mechanics ^_^ this is what I get for only knowing GURPS. > > >Firstly, choir attunements are available to everyone, unless restricted. >And secondly, it isn't necessarily EASY... but it also isn't incredibly >powerful or useful. It's worth having, but I think it would be better if >made less expensive. I should revise this- make it a twofold power. I would dump it, but I kinda like it... just needs redefinition and tweaking. > > > > > Show me Heaven: I think I'll keep it, just redefine it ^_^ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:01:28 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain > > > *Dissonance* > > > > It is dissonant for Servitors of the Rain to incite > > anger in someone for any > > reason, unless it is to help save their life from > > immediate danger. The > > dissonance leaves if the angel can directly placate > > the angry person within > > the next (total forces) minutes. Angels of the Rain > > have to be very careful > > with the words they choose, and tend to keep a low > > profile, lest they become > > ash piles of dissonance... > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't, say, destroying >/any/ Infernal Tether almost instantly cause every >angel of the Rain involved to drop to the Pit from the >onrush of anger that would provoke in Hell? All it'd >take it pissing off six demons, one after another... Ack, redefiniton- the angel only gets dissonance if they make someone angry _directly_ if the person doesn't know, then the angel won't get dissonance. And Eklizeal doesn't really go for tether destruction and the like... she's far more into healing, with her other half devoted to Belial destroying. I was thinking of revising this... maybe only if the angel makes a human angry? I'm still debating how to term this one. ONly humans, only if the person knows if the angel was responsible, etc... *bites lip* hrm _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: Making others angry- You've said that killing Infernal Fire types (Servitors and Tethers- and I'd imagine Soldiers) is a High Priority for Ekli. That's rather difficult to do if they can't make anyone angry. Even if you restrict it to humanity, then attacking Soldiers of Fire or violently destroying Tethers (as opposed to Word corruption- which may STILL piss someone off, mind) is a no-go. What I'd suggest is that the Angel never allow themselves to be ruled by anger or make decisions that are based in anger or hatred. That fits both the themes of peace and calm that they should embody, as well as Ekli's lingering guilt over nearly Falling due to her own anger. Alternativly, you could emphasize the somewhat Zen nature of the Rain by saying that Angels of the Rain may never act in undo haste, nor with undo force. As the rain itself will wear down the hardest of stones in time, they must persitantly and patiently push- just hard enough to change things, and not so hard to be noticied. That then emphasizes Ekli's desire to remain hidden. - --- As to the Kyriotate thing, how about if they have a host stand in the rain for an hour, then they don't need to make a check to remain in that host for the rest of the day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:21:19 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain >> Yeah... I'm honestly blank here. >> >> HEY, ANYONE ELSE READING THIS! ANY IDEAS? > > Yeah, I'll dump this and give it to the Cherub's, they'll get a lot more use > from it. Hmm... I need to think of something unique and useful for these > buggers. > I have some thoughts! Instant cheesy thought: Let 'em adopt their celform in a rainstorm without Disturbance and without being immediately sucked up to Heaven after their time is up, ala Beleth's Shedites (which could get messy). Or maybe a gaseous, slow-moving form, sort of like the Kyrio attunement for Wind. More thoughtful, but unworkable thought: Maybe they could possess rainstorms. Don't ask me how to make the mechanics work (maybe you could possess a certain 'volume' of rainstorm per Force, or whatever). Further thoughts: No need for a Will roll to enter a host in a rainstorm? Forces doubled for the purposes of possessing hosts all in a rainstorm? (This would be a monster, unless you made it Forces of one type or half again as many Forces or something like that.) Hope these help. :::D BTW, Sirea, I really do like both your Grigori Superiors. Rock on! - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:22:14 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >>> -Sirea, who always imagined the Belial/Gabe final fight to look like it >> was >>> out of a good anime movie, with the whole "pass by hitting each other at >> the >>> same time, and then the loser drops dead" thing. Yeah. >> >> Something along those lines, yes. :::) > > Or for you more kaboom/DBZ types, Belial gets disentigrated after Gabriel > powers up and blasts Belial with her x10 Archangelic Fire Ray of Prophectic > Doom. Or something. Yeah. -_-;; Swordfight on top of Manhattan's Federal Hall. >_> <_< Except that's more of a Michael/Baal thing. Oh well. No, I'm not obsessed. Really. - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:26:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, W S wrote: > As to the Kyriotate thing, how about if they have a > host stand in the rain for an hour, then they don't > need to make a check to remain in that host for the > rest of the day. You too are thinking of Shedim, not Kyrios. Kyrios roll their resonance once, when they enter a host. That's how many days they get to keep 'em. No per-day roll at all, and no human mind sharing space with 'em - they get complete control for the full duration. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Human germ!" -- Shrapnel (Decepticon), _Transformers: The Movie_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:29:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Sirea Theyal wrote: > *laughs* that was a great way of pointing out how that wouldn't work... and > the more you bring it up, the more I like the idea of Ofanim being able to > find storms as their attunement. I guess I would feel odd having every > character with the Ofanim attunement, but then, this would make Ofanim more > important to the group. And yeah, less exspensive = better :/ thank you for > that, I was stumped on the Ofanim. Maybe I should play more before I go > making Superiors, huh? o_o; Naw, not at all! You came up with a creative and interesting Superior - and like almost anything done for gaming, it needed some playtesting, editing, and revising. That's what we're here for. > Yeah. I guess I wanted a way to "clean away the bad" like the rain does, and > I wanted Lilim that took AWAY Needs instead of fufilling them, and before > their Dark Sisters get to the person. I totally understand... I'd expand just slightly on the definition of "negative" in the attunement, otherwise it's perfect. > I like this a lot more. Crikey, this is what I get for being a newbie to > mechanics. It's balanced, and sensible. Give me a year, I'll be experienced > in game mechanics ^_^ this is what I get for only knowing GURPS. Heh, then you can't exactly beat yourself up for not having mastery of IN mechanics, can you? I prefer GURPS, too, but not for running IN - IN's mechanics have an interesting grace to them when handled right. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Though they broke my legs / They gave me a crutch to walk / Laws to guide me / And a crutch to walk. / Amen. -- Chumbawamba, "Today's Sermon" ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2715 ********************************