in_nomine-digest Wednesday, July 24 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2719 In this digest: IN> cherubim of Novalis Re: Fwd: IN> Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN> Alternale Lilith pt3 IN>Revised Eklizeal Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN> Alternale Lilith pt3 Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal IN> Mercurians of old Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal Re: IN> Mercurians of old Re: IN> Mercurians of old Re: IN> Alternale Lilith pt3 Re: IN> cherubim of Novalis Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:40:48 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> cherubim of Novalis Just wondering, how do you all interpret the Cherubim of Novalis attunement? The specific wording is, 'can take upon themselves the corporeal damage of those they touch.' Does this mean they can simply heal those they touch of however much they choose (like corporeal sacrifice, ie they can choose to heal 5 body hits and take that damage themselves), or do you interpret this as if the victim had suffered twenty points of damage, the angel will immediately take *all* that damage, regardless of his wishes. I feel that the former makes it far more effective, although I much prefer the second as it greatly enhances role-playing and is far more dramatic (how much more dramatic would it be if, instead of the angel healing the victim to one point, he instead took upon all the damage, and was vessel-killed in the process!). I've decided to forget the Judgement character (after reading all your emails, I've decided it'd be better as an NPC, perhaps even a 'decent' Asmodean would be interesting, more like the older Secret Police member who's starting to show a *little* compassion, rather than the Inquisitor type). Instead I'll be using a Cherub of Zadkiel, but with the cherub of Novalis attunement (I always figured that attunement was better suited to Zadie than Novie, but I guess Novalis was kinda both aspects until they brought in Zadkiel). Anyway, I thought it'd be cool if the angel actually takes the physical damage of those he touches. So, if the person had a massive gash across their chest, their wound would heal, and a massive gash would appear down the cherub's chest. After-effects of the wound don't take effect, though (except for cinematic bleeding :)). If the target had suffered a cut throat, the angel would have a gash on his neck, but not have a cut windpipe, etc Being a former servitor of Jordi, my character has the appearance of a giant humanoid panther but, until he knows the PCs in the group are trustworthy, he'll stay out of their sight while still protecting them discreetly. Imagine how cool it'd be to have a PC on his own getting beaten up by other baddies, being knocked unconscious (possibly even on the verge of death), only to wake up to find he's totally healed and a large trail of blood is leading away from him. :) Milan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:22:33 -0400 From: Michael Bruner Subject: Re: Fwd: IN> Wounded Earth- Plot Seed At 11:26 PM 7/23/2002 +0000, you wrote: >> >>Who knows, maybe someone on both sides takes this as a sign >> >>to start to Final Battle... >> > >> >But if they can't get to Earth, how are they going to get at each other? > >The Marches my freind, the Marches. I imagine this was the default for >where the War would begin. The beauty of this is all the humans dreaming of Armageddon coming as a result of angels/demons skirmishing in their dreamscapes. A bunch of these guys ranting as prophets might be what clues Earthbound PCs what's going on too (and after all, what's Armageddon without prophets crying out about it? :)). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:39:30 -0400 From: Michael Bruner Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed At 05:32 PM 7/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: >At 6:41 PM +0000 7/20/02, Sirea Theyal wrote: > >> > >>At 3:49 PM +0000 7/19/02, Sirea Theyal wrote: > >>[...] > >> >also... throw a Superior or two in the mix to make it more interesting. > >> > >>Say, Gabriel, Eli, Saminga, Kobal...? O:> > > > >Actually... who would be most likely to be corporeal at the time? Dominic > >and Eli for one... ugh. Dominic and Eli. And Gabirel. THAT would get ugly, > >fast. Especially with Kobal. Saminga would be having a freaking PARTY. > >Or, one could ditch Sammy and Kobal, and simply be amused with >Asmodeus (who also visits his Servitors frequently, and wouldn't >you HATE to be the Servitor he was with when this happened?), Dominic, >Eli, and Gabriel. > >And the Grigori, of course. > >Though sticking Azzie with Saminga and Kobal would be kind of amusing, >too. One's a "loyal" dunce, and the other's a clever SOB who likes to >try to make your life miserable. One could almost feel sorry for the >poor Djinn. The beauty of Saminga is that if the intent is that the Earth needs a break from all the disturbance, having a guy who relishes wandering around killing people and is a little too slow to catch on to the whole "need to ease up on the disturbance so we can get back to the Celestial plane" is a wonderful plot complication. Picture the poor PCs trying to get the Demon Prince of Death to stop the whole killing thing, or at least use his bare hands to avoid disturbance per his Balseraph attunement ("Aw, but it takes so long to do it that way!"). For the true epic adventure, have Saminga (possibly due to being cut off from so many of his relatively few Ethereal Forces) decide that in his experience dead things don't complain, so the best way to escape the Corporeal plane is obviously to utterly destroy it... Also, one of the great things about the idea of some Superiors (maybe all of them) being reduced in power to just 18 Force celestials is that it gives PCs a reasonable chance to actually defeat them in combat. Not a GREAT chance given the power they'd still have (even if they were reduced to just 18 Force celestial with ALL their Word's attunements they would be nasty foes in a lot of cases), and you'd only send them back to the Celestial plane for the duration as opposed to utter destruction. But how many players would NOT love to be able to say their characters kicked such-and-so Superior's butt? :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:13:40 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Alternale Lilith pt3 Kanako Otaku wrote: > Relations: > > > Allied: Novalis > Associated: Janus, Michael > Neutral: Everybody else, except.... > Hostile: Dominic > Allied: Nybbas > Associated: Valefor, Kobal > Neutral: Everybody else, except..... > Hostile: Saminga* ( Lucifer is hostile to her ) She considers Dominic worse than Asmodeus? : blinks: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:56:36 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: IN>Revised Eklizeal Okay, based on suggestions so far, here are some revised and new parts of Eklizeal. I'll give it more eloquent wording when the final write up is done, this is just rough. Dissonance: Servitors of the Rain cannot act with undue anger or haste, intetionally provoke someone into anger, or do not try to calm someone who is unreasonably angry, if there is something the angel can do about it... the angel will be fine if they made someone angry because that person didn't like what they were doing, but the angel would be slapped if they were acting to solely anger the person. Seraphim: For (1? 2?) essence, while standing in a natural storm, these Seraphim can instantly know if there are any other celestials that are not servitors of the Rain standing out in the storm. Their range extends for corporeal forces miles, and if this is more than the range of the storm, then in caps there. Cherubim: Whomever these Cherubs attune to will become calm and relaxed, no matter how mad they may normally get; they are immune to feeling anger. The attuned can add the Cherub's ethereal forces to their will roll to resist any discord relating to anger. Ofanim (PR): As Eklizeal often implements many careful plans that may require a long wait, her Wheels do not take dissonant from inaction if specifically ordered to wait by Eklizeal or one of her Masters. They also always know the exact distance and direction to the nearest rainstorm. (The ability to find rain may be purchased by other choirs, and in fact, can be found among virtually all Servitors of the Rains. While not mandatory, an angel without this attunement will never advance far in Rain's service.) Stolen from P.Kitty for the time being ^_^ Bright Lilim: Bright Lilim of the Rain can make any "negative" Need disappear if they get the target to stay out in the rain for one hour per level of Need while talking to the Lilim about it. The target must have some desire to not want the Need anymore though. Negative is defined here as any Need that could be extensively harmful to the subject, or lead them to their Fate. (Still a little stuck on this... is that good?) Kyriotates: Kyrio's of the Rain can purchase vessels made out of fog, mist, dew, condensation, steam, vapors, basically anything that's mostly H20 and in a gaseoues state. They can only be used on very cloudy days, or in a storm, when they would normally occur. (This needs more expanding I think...) Grigori: Grigori of the Rain may turn almost invisible while in a natural rainstorm. Others must make a Perception roll minus the Grigori's Ethereal Forces (in addition to any vision penalty for the rain, as set by the GM) to see him, and any rolls to attack the angel are reduced by the same penalty. This ability costs 1 Essence and lasts for the angels Ethereal Forces times ten minutes; it stops working if he leaves the rain, but will resume if he reenters the rain again at no additional Essence cost. (Again, stolen from P.Kitty. Thanks ^^; ) (Elohim are the same, Malakim are the same, but they CANNOT remove Forces with the soul damage they do, and Mercurians are the same, but I want to add one more power to their attunement. Still thinking, open to suggestions ^_~ ) Walk in the Rain: With this attunement, the angel can sense the rough distance and direction of the closest natural rainstorm, and for 1 essence, can attune themselves to the storm, being able to track where it will go, how long it will last, and where it currently is. When the storm dissipates, the attunement ends. The Rainbow's End: For one essence, the angel who uses this attunement will make a rainbow appear at the end of a natural rainstorm. What makes this special however, is that the angel can attach a "note" to the rainbow, much like when someone sends essence with a note to someone in Limbo. If a servitor of the Rain sees the rainbow, they will automatically get the message along with the angels "signature". The message can be things like "mission complete" or "need help!" or "Belial servitors coming/leaving". Nothing too complicated. (Should it be no essence? I'm wondering.) Show me Heaven is the same, but only tethers that are in the angels sight will be shown. If it's underground, behind something, etc, it won't be seen. It will be either divine (light) or infernal (dark) and with a perception role, the angel can see it's Word Color Signature. Oh, ignore anything that's R or PR, I'm changing all those. I slapped those on when I didn't fully understand what they entailed. Anything I missed? Comments, questions, dissonance? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:06:00 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain >>Powerful, but costly and (somewhat) limited, so balanced. I only say >>"somewhat" because her Masters can make rainstorms automatically... but at >>least it still won't work, say, indoors. Is being retooled as we speak. > >Given that it removes one of the key difficulties in IN (i.e. wondering "Is >that guy an angel/demon?"), I would tend to not use this. But since I like >the idea of "rain washing away falsehoods" that you've got here, maybe >something that removes mundane disguises and/or prevents the target from >telling a lie while in rain? Potent, but not instant "Ah hah! You're a >demon!" if the enemy is clever. Yeah... she may be a Grigori, but it shouldn't be THAT easy. > > >Rather than dissonance, maybe make a version of Corp Healing if they wash >the attuned in falling rainwater? Kind of a neat "baptism" image with that >sort of idea, and the natural rain requirement would justify >removing/lowering the normal costs of Corp Healing. Already covered by Waters of Life, but maybe I should add in the idea of having to wash the target to cast it... >>My suggestion: Take the Walk in the Rain attunement, remove the Essense >>cost, and make it the Ofanite attunement. > >Ditto. Done and done. > >> > Malakim (PR): For 3 essence, these Malakim can make the next attack >>that >> > hits do soul damage, regardless of whether the target is in celestial >>form >> > or not. > >Really against this, but not sure what to replace it with. Me neither... maybe restrict it to servitors of Belial. I already added in the "no force removal" thing though. And for 3 essence, it's gonna leave the Malk drained quick if they abuse it. >Maybe given the scattered nature of rain, give the Kyriotate the ability to >possess hosts as if their Forces were 1 or some other number higher than >they actually are (i.e. they can take slightly more hosts or a set of hosts >that would ordinarily add up to too many required Forces). Powerful, but >not necessarily game-breaking; the ability to take an extra 2 Force canary >on top of your usual load could be useful in some cases but not always. >There might be some dangerous combination of this with other Kyrio >attunements I'm not thinking about, but given the difficulties the servitor >of a Grigori will have in arranging the acquisition of said attunements >that probably won't be a problem. Don't worry- unless they're defectors, she has no servitors from other AA's. Well... maybe a few Trade/Destiny/Flowers... (see her relations) but so far I have them able to create water condensation vessels for sneak attacks, survailance and the like, but I'll keep this one in mind. >A little too specialized, and doesn't have much to do with being a >Mercurian (also breaks the old "Shouldn't instantly know if someone's an >angel/demon" idea again). Maybe the ability to lull humans to sleep, as per >rain's ability to do the same? Would obviously help with their Choir need >not to harm humans. Masters have the sleeping thing down (sorta) and I do want to add to this one- but they can see servitors of belial and oannes still. She is kinda specialized here and there... she does want to murder Belial in ways that would make Malakim of Gabby sqiurm. I still need to work on these guys. >Well, the rain requirement prohibits using it indoors (plus the "natural >storm" bit prevents the angel whistling up a storm to do this if read >literally), so I think the no Essence bit is a wash, if you'll pardon the >expression :). It also means they'd need the Song to do sneaking under >other circumstances, and of course you put their ability to sneak around at >the mercy of the GM ("Gee, looks like the rain's starting to slack off just >as you approach those Calabim..."). Heh. Yup ^_^ this is dealt with also though. I just liked the image of rain drenched humans appearing from thin air after having walloped a demon. Goes with their hidden nature and all... > >Well, again indoors this wouldn't work, which would protect a LOT of >Tethers from detection (or even better, gives the PCs a mission to try to >arrange a leak in the roof to find the answer). Given it's a Grigori >Archangel, they can't just go running off to tell Heaven either, so with >the Essence requirement I think this one is balanced. > Exacly- this one is used solely for AVOIDING celestials and plotting around hot spots. She can't use this as much as she could if she were in Heaven, as such, it's only for passive use. (Unless it's a Tether of Belial's... heh heh heh.) Thanks for your input ^_^ I wanna make Eklizeal rock solid for gaming purposes. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:13:24 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > >The beauty of Saminga is that if the intent is that the Earth needs a break >from all the disturbance, having a guy who relishes wandering around >killing people and is a little too slow to catch on to the whole "need to >ease up on the disturbance so we can get back to the Celestial plane" is a >wonderful plot complication. Picture the poor PCs trying to get the Demon >Prince of Death to stop the whole killing thing, or at least use his bare >hands to avoid disturbance per his Balseraph attunement ("Aw, but it takes >so long to do it that way!"). For the true epic adventure, have Saminga >(possibly due to being cut off from so many of his relatively few Ethereal >Forces) decide that in his experience dead things don't complain, so the >best way to escape the Corporeal plane is obviously to utterly destroy >it... > >Also, one of the great things about the idea of some Superiors (maybe all >of them) being reduced in power to just 18 Force celestials is that it >gives PCs a reasonable chance to actually defeat them in combat. Not a >GREAT chance given the power they'd still have (even if they were reduced >to just 18 Force celestial with ALL their Word's attunements they would be >nasty foes in a lot of cases), and you'd only send them back to the >Celestial plane for the duration as opposed to utter destruction. But how >many players would NOT love to be able to say their characters kicked >such-and-so Superior's butt? :) > On Saminga- yup, the PC's NEED someone like this, or it's too easy. Eli and Nybbas can provide long term problems and politics, Saminga would provide the "Oh crud muffins, he's going to make it WORSE" type of problem. Play on the PC's fears. Make them afraid of the thought of WHAT could happen if they KEEP pushing the Earth. It could be minor... it could be Apocalyptic. But don't let them know ^_^ On Superiors- to make it better, I determined it could be 18 forces... or LESS. Yup, they could be left as even 5 force wordbound, making PC's more than a match. They may be fragments, but they still are Superiors... and remember, their greater halves will know who did it. In explicit detail. - -Sirea, who is left with this image/scene "Okay Saminga, now we know you love Death and all, but if we EVER wanna get back home and such, you can't kill anyone. Okay? Wait... what are you doing? No, Saminga, stop! No, Saminga, put the human down- *snap!* DAMMIT SAMMY!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:44:13 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >The beauty of Saminga is that if the intent is that the Earth needs a break >from all the disturbance, having a guy who relishes wandering around >killing people and is a little too slow to catch on to the whole "need to >ease up on the disturbance so we can get back to the Celestial plane" is a >wonderful plot complication. Also, one other thing. It's not just disturbance that's bad (although that was the #1 reason for the Purging) it's ANYTHING celestial at this point. The mere prescence of the PC's is still somewhat damaging. I plotted this to keep the players always wary- they HAVE to do things to deal with the rabble left down there (like Saminga or whoever) but let them know that their every action is still strumming on the Corp's Planes patience... And we already saw what happened when it ran out of patience once. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Alternale Lilith pt3 >She considers Dominic worse than Asmodeus? I forgot to state the reasons to this. First off, Dominic is openly hostile towards her, so she in turn *acts* in the same manner, but doesn't really dislike him or anything. Asmodeus on the other hand, is quiet about his dislike on Lilith's meddling in his.....investigations. Second, Dominic is by far, is the one that trusts Lilith the least. It kind of gets on her nerves, especially after centuries of a reasonably friendly business relationship. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal More comments from moi: - --- Sirea Theyal wrote: > Dissonance: Servitors of the Rain cannot act with undue > anger or haste, > intetionally provoke someone into anger, or do not try to > calm someone who > is unreasonably angry, if there is something the angel > can do about it... "or fail to try to calm someone" would be better wording, I think. But the Dissonance condition is better like this. > Seraphim: For (1? 2?) essence, while standing in a > natural storm, these > Seraphim can instantly know if there are any other > celestials that are not > servitors of the Rain standing out in the storm. This is an improvement -- gives a warning that other Celestials are present without stripping away the doubt as to who's who. Question: does this Attunement spot Ethereals, too? > Cherubim: Whomever these Cherubs attune to will become > calm and relaxed, no > matter how mad they may normally get; they are immune to > feeling anger. The > attuned can add the Cherub's ethereal forces to their > will roll to resist any discord relating to anger. Should read, "will roll to resist any Discord or Disadvantage relating to anger." > Ofanim (PR): As Eklizeal often implements many careful > plans that may > require a long wait, her Wheels do not take dissonant > from inaction if > specifically ordered to wait by Eklizeal or one of her > Masters. I'd expand this to include anyone authorized to give the angel orders. > Kyriotates: Kyrio's of the Rain can purchase vessels made > out of fog, mist, > dew, condensation, steam, vapors, basically anything > that's mostly H20 and in a gaseoues state. I just found a problem with this -- doesn't it basically duplicate the Kyrio of the Wind Attunement? No suggestions for a replacement, yet. > The Rainbow's End: For one essence, the angel who uses > this attunement will > make a rainbow appear at the end of a natural rainstorm. > What makes this > special however, is that the angel can attach a "note" to > the rainbow, much > like when someone sends essence with a note to someone in > Limbo. Oooo, I like. This allows both the promise and the threat. The only change I'd make is to expand the options for recipients; maybe angels of the Rain can always see the message (and sending one to them costs no Essence) but it costs 1 Essence to send one to anybody else. Maybe it isn't restricted to naturally-occuring rainbow, either; setting up prisms by sunlit windows could allow these angels to leave notes for each other. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:21:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: IN> Mercurians of old I was just wondering.. What did the Friends of Man do back in the days when there was no Man? What were the mercurians up to before humans evolved? Were they Heaven's diplomats? (Did Heaven need diplomats back then?) If so - who did they diplomatize between? Inter-angelic stuff? Angels vs Ethereals? Or was there only the one Mercurian (Eli) until God made the humans? ...and did he go "Oooo! /Nice/, they look almost like me. Lemme whip up some angels who share the great looks" *ka-zam!* "Okay guys, let's go watch what the Upstairs made!" :) - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:47:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal > > > Kyriotates: Kyrio's of the Rain can purchase vessels made > > out of fog, mist, > > dew, condensation, steam, vapors, basically anything > > that's mostly H20 and in a gaseoues state. > > I just found a problem with this -- doesn't it basically > duplicate the Kyrio of the Wind Attunement? No suggestions > for a replacement, yet. > I was wondering how long it would take for someone to realize this :) Here are some more suggestions. 1) Rain can act as a conduit for those who know how to use it. A Kyrio of Rain automatically suceeds in his resonance roll to possess someone if that person is outside during a natural rainstorm. The target can still resist with a Will roll, _unless_ he or she is soaked, head to toe. 2) As raindrops fall, they can split apart or join, much like Kyriotates. Kyriotates of Rain understand this well. While occupying two or more hosts, they can take one of the two and 'absorb' it into the other. This effectively sends the absorbed host into potentiality, much like a spare Vessel. The Forces used to possess the absorbed host are inaccessible while the host is absorbed; the Kyrio must eject the host before redistributing its Forces. The effect requires physical contact and a Will roll, and a host can only remain absorbed for (Kyrio Celestial Forces) hours before being ejected. Kyrios of Rain often use this for sneaking extra hosts (or other angels) into secure places, or removing injured hosts from danger. Serivtor Attunement Flood Waters: An angel with this attunement can, during a rainstorm, increase or reduce the level of flooding in an area. The water volume can be altered by a factor up to (Celestial Forces) for an Essence cost equal to twice the factor used. (e.g., an angel with 3 Cel. Forces can increase the water volume of a flood by 2 or 3 times, which would cost 4 or 6 Essence, respectively). The area effected is about the size of a large neighborhood, but can be increased to the entire area under the rainstorm by doubling the Essence used. Rumors of a variant of this attunement responsible for the parting of the Red Sea are unconfirmed. Ryan R. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:15:28 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal > > "or fail to try to calm someone" would be better wording, >I think. But the Dissonance condition is better like this. Okay, then dissonance is all set, and that is better wording. > > > Seraphim: For (1? 2?) essence, while standing in a > > natural storm, these > > Seraphim can instantly know if there are any other > > celestials that are not > > servitors of the Rain standing out in the storm. > > This is an improvement -- gives a warning that other >Celestials are present without stripping away the doubt as >to who's who. Question: does this Attunement spot >Ethereals, too? I was considering this, but she doesn't really have much to do with ethereals. I might add that in if it seems important. roll to resist any discord relating to anger. > > Should read, "will roll to resist any Discord or >Disadvantage relating to anger." And disadvantage. Doh. Thanks ^_^ > > > Ofanim (PR): As Eklizeal often implements many careful > > plans that may > > require a long wait, her Wheels do not take dissonant > > from inaction if > > specifically ordered to wait by Eklizeal or one of her > > Masters. > > I'd expand this to include anyone authorized to give the >angel orders. I was going to mention that, since Eklizeal and her Masters aren't a part of every single mission. I think it should be like a chain of command type of thing, and whoever is in "charge" can give the order when needed. > > > Kyriotates: Kyrio's of the Rain can purchase vessels made > > out of fog, mist, > > dew, condensation, steam, vapors, basically anything > > that's mostly H20 and in a gaseoues state. > > I just found a problem with this -- doesn't it basically >duplicate the Kyrio of the Wind Attunement? No suggestions >for a replacement, yet. Ugh... the exact problem I saw -_- I honestly can't come up with something simple and original yet- I'm totally open to suggestions. > > > The Rainbow's End: For one essence, the angel who uses > > this attunement will > > make a rainbow appear at the end of a natural rainstorm. > > What makes this > > special however, is that the angel can attach a "note" to > > the rainbow, much > > like when someone sends essence with a note to someone in > > Limbo. > > Oooo, I like. This allows both the promise and the >threat. The only change I'd make is to expand the options >for recipients; maybe angels of the Rain can always see the >message (and sending one to them costs no Essence) but it >costs 1 Essence to send one to anybody else. Maybe it >isn't restricted to naturally-occuring rainbow, either; >setting up prisms by sunlit windows could allow these >angels to leave notes for each other. Good idea. It won't cost anything for Servitors of the Rain, but if they REALLY want to signal someone else, it'll cost one essence. Now rumors can circulate of angels and demons getting strange messages, always right after a storm... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Mercurians of old - --- Unni Solaas wrote: > I was just wondering.. What did the Friends of Man do > back in the days > when there was no Man? What were the mercurians up to > before humans evolved? I imagine that they drew messenger/envoy duty a lot (at least for things that weren't urgent enough to require Ofanim). And if you assume that God's omniscience includes knowledge of the future, the Almighty could well have created Mercurians in anticipation of the need for them. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:55:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Mercurians of old At 3:21 PM +0200 7/24/02, Unni Solaas wrote: >I was just wondering.. What did the Friends of Man do back in the days >when there was no Man? What were the mercurians up to before humans >evolved? Fnord. My _personal_ idea: Eli: Yves, I feel like... like I'm missing something. Like there should be something _more_ to the Symphony, something that just _fits_ with me. Yves: Have patience, young Mercurian. All will be revealed in time. And aren't these mammal things interesting, in the meantime? >Were they Heaven's diplomats? (Did Heaven need diplomats back then?) Sure, why not? Angels probably ran into misunderstandings, now and then. Some of them probably just needed a Mercurian resonance to realize that So&So was feeling left out, and so Thus&Such should go talk to her. (Or maybe I've been seeing too many of Clifford's Big Ideas...) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:52:32 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Alternale Lilith pt3 At 12:43 AM -0700 7/24/02, Kanako Otaku wrote: >>She considers Dominic worse than Asmodeus? > >I forgot to state the reasons to this. > >First off, Dominic is openly hostile towards her, so >she in turn *acts* in the same manner, but doesn't >really dislike him or anything. If she doesn't dislike him, why would she act hostile? (Besides, it's always more amusing to smile sweetly and refuse to get into a bad mood when someone else is being snarky. Why do you think Novalis smiles so much?) A 'coldly neutral' attitude might be more plausible, in such a situation. Unless you mean that she's gotten PO'ed at him, and is hostile purely because she wants to bang his cloaked head with a clue-by-four... - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:48:12 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> cherubim of Novalis At 11:40 AM +0930 7/24/02, G N E Z D A wrote: >Just wondering, how do you all interpret the Cherubim of Novalis attunement? When the angel chooses, he can take the physical damage of someone he's touching. If he doesn't choose to take any, he takes none. If he chooses to take it, he gets it ALL. >Anyway, I thought it'd be cool if the angel actually takes the physical >damage of those he touches. So, if the person had a massive gash across >their chest, their wound would heal, and a massive gash would appear down >the cherub's chest. After-effects of the wound don't take effect, though >(except for cinematic bleeding :)). If the target had suffered a cut throat, >the angel would have a gash on his neck, but not have a cut windpipe, etc If the Cherub takes enough damage to get a cut throat, then I'd say he has a cut throat. Better hope he can sing Healing fast. This is, however, a GM option. >Being a former servitor of Jordi, my character has the appearance of a giant >humanoid panther Er, Jordi's not necessarily into anthropomorphics. More likely, he'd grant the vessel of a real panther. O;> (Of course, your campaign, do what you will. I sure do! O;D ) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:25:30 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal >I was wondering how long it would take for someone to realize this :) >Here are some more suggestions. > >1) Rain can act as a conduit for those who know how to use it. A Kyrio of >Rain automatically suceeds in his resonance roll to possess someone if >that person is outside during a natural rainstorm. The target can still >resist with a Will roll, _unless_ he or she is soaked, head to toe. I may go with this. It's pretty common, but it makes sense and works. > >2) As raindrops fall, they can split apart or join, much like Kyriotates. >Kyriotates of Rain understand this well. While occupying two or more >hosts, they can take one of the two and 'absorb' it into the other. This >effectively sends the absorbed host into potentiality, much like a spare >Vessel. The Forces used to possess the absorbed host are inaccessible >while the host is absorbed; the Kyrio must eject the host before >redistributing its Forces. The effect requires physical contact and a >Will roll, and a host can only remain absorbed for (Kyrio Celestial >Forces) hours before being ejected. Kyrios of Rain often use this for >sneaking extra hosts (or other angels) into secure places, or removing >injured hosts from danger. > >Serivtor Attunement > >Flood Waters: An angel with this attunement can, during a rainstorm, >increase or reduce the level of flooding in an area. The water volume can >be altered by a factor up to (Celestial Forces) for an Essence cost equal >to twice the factor used. (e.g., an angel with 3 Cel. Forces can increase >the water volume of a flood by 2 or 3 times, which would cost 4 or 6 >Essence, respectively). The area effected is about the size of a large >neighborhood, but can be increased to the entire area under the rainstorm >by doubling the Essence used. Rumors of a variant of this attunement >responsible for the parting of the Red Sea are unconfirmed. Hmm... I don;t know about this. One, Eklizeal wasn't a Superior until the day her Choir was outcasted, and two, she wouldn't wan't to have such a dangerous power that could kill humans. It would be great for wiping out Belial servitors, but too much of a risk for the humans nearby. And that's the last thing she wants to happen. I'll think about it though. What does everyone else think of it? (Myabe this would be better for her Fallen version, Ezekal, Skulker Demon of the Flood...) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:33:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Sirea Theyal wrote: > > > >Serivtor Attunement > > > >Flood Waters: An angel with this attunement can, during a rainstorm, > >increase or reduce the level of flooding in an area. The water volume can > >be altered by a factor up to (Celestial Forces) for an Essence cost equal > >to twice the factor used. (e.g., an angel with 3 Cel. Forces can increase > >the water volume of a flood by 2 or 3 times, which would cost 4 or 6 > >Essence, respectively). The area effected is about the size of a large > >neighborhood, but can be increased to the entire area under the rainstorm > >by doubling the Essence used. Rumors of a variant of this attunement > >responsible for the parting of the Red Sea are unconfirmed. > > Hmm... I don;t know about this. One, Eklizeal wasn't a Superior until the > day her Choir was outcasted, and two, she wouldn't wan't to have such a > dangerous power that could kill humans. It would be great for wiping out > Belial servitors, but too much of a risk for the humans nearby. And that's > the last thing she wants to happen. I'll think about it though. What does > everyone else think of it? > > (Myabe this would be better for her Fallen version, Ezekal, Skulker Demon of > the Flood...) > It says 'increase OR _reduce_' She could easily use one version to save human lives, and the other to damage Belial's Tethers. Ryan R. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:31:24 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Revised Eklizeal >It says 'increase OR _reduce_' She could easily use one version to save >human lives, and the other to damage Belial's Tethers. You know what, point taken. Now that I think of the number of floods that happen yearly, this would be a good attunement. I forgot how much rain has to do with flooding like this. Thanks ^_^; _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2719 ********************************