in_nomine-digest Sunday, July 28 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2724 In this digest: Re: IN> Noblilis / In Nomine crossover (cross-posted to In Nomine discussion board) Re: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps Re: IN> Matchmaking for Dominic RE: IN> Matchmaking for Dominic Re: IN> Tez Re: IN> Weird Superior Challenge: Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps IN> New... well, a couple of things, really Re: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps IN> Aztec deities and Tez IN> Aztec deities and Tez RE: IN> Matchmaking for Dominic Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps Re: IN> New... well, a couple of things, really Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust Re: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps Re: IN> Aztec deities and Tez RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:24:09 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Noblilis / In Nomine crossover (cross-posted to In Nomine discussion board) Perry Lloyd wrote: > Hell, Heaven, the Light and the Dark, the Wyld and Gods are all major > movers and shakers ... and all wish to fight for the survival of > creation against creatures from beyond that seek to destroy it. Since I > started reading the tome that is Nobilis, I've been thinking about > playing in the In Nomine world using the Nobilis rules, since that would > enable the PCs to be more like the powerful creatures I've envisioned > Angels and Demons to actually be. There is nothing new under the sun: http://www.amadan.org/nobilis/IN-Nobilis.html - -David - -- From too much love of living, From hope and fear set free, We thank with brief thanksgiving Whatever gods may be That no man lives for ever; That dead men rise up never; That even the weariest river Winds somewhere safe to sea. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:16:32 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps >> Ooog. BAD word conflict; Princess Iolanthe would eat her for breakfast. >> >> You don't try to go outcuting a toddler Demon Princess who can make even >>a SHEDITE adorable. >> >>Kamika-Z, who also thinks one should be wary of the Mother, too... > >I can see it now though... relievers floating down into Hell, hugging left >and right, demons redeeming spontaneously, Princes running through the >streets, screaming as an angel hugs them and they explode into a shower of >light! > And all is well and good, until...Iolanthe appears. And then... EVERYONE goes into instant Sugar-Coated Trauma! Save the relievers and the Princess...and then it becomes a Cute Off... >Oh the humanity... > >Someone should do a Superior Victory thingy on this idea o_o; > Won't touch that with a ten foot Ornamental Numinous Corpus... Kamika-Z, who has a high cute threshold, but not THAT high... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:52:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Matchmaking for Dominic - --- "Steven E. Ehrbar" wrote: > Or, for a book reference, Malacandra/Mars and > Perelandra/Venus from C.S. Lewis's Space trilogy Exactly who I was thinking of. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Matchmaking for Dominic - --- Gregg Forge wrote: > *cue shot of Dominic(or Dominique!) and Gabrielle(or > Gabriel?) in bed, > one with a cig, the other wide-eyed* > > "Bet the earth moved for you too, huh?" Owowowowowow! ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Tez - --- G N E Z D A wrote: > According to my idea (which was > meant as a comic idea) Tezcatlipoca answered his prayers > and, feeling some > degree of remorse for what the Aztec deities had done Hmmm. I can't see a war got who demanded human sacrifice feeling remorse, but it's not my game, is it? > In IN canon, perhaps it was that someone (perhaps Tez, or > the priest > inadvertantly) used one of the songs of Life to merge the > soul of a nearby cherubim of Jordi with the priest. It would take a Superior to do something like that, and no AA would do it. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Weird Superior Challenge: Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust - --- Merior wrote: > +6: A child born of willing, knowing incest. That is a good invocation modifier, but I don't think it's rare enough for a +6. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:34:11 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust > +6: A child born of willing, knowing incest. _That_ is even ickier than that skanky dress. I don't think anyone was actually objecting to the ... soiled ... garment. We were merely having fun with the alternatives. (She was listed in the INC Rogues Gallary if I recall correctly.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:30:10 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps The Reliever Hug Corpse Brought to you by those wacky boys, Sammie and Vappie! A Reliever Hug Corpse is your typical Zombie with two minor and yet powerful twists. They can sense Celestials and their touch actually prevents a Celestial from leaving a vessel. Drawn by their mindless need to hurt, Reliever Hug Corpses will try to latch on and squeeze any Celestial they come across. They do have some defects. The same ability that allows them to keep a Celestial in a vessel makes them susceptible to damage when the vessel is finally killed and the Celestial is forced out. The Reliever Hug Corpse will take body hits equal to the total forces of the being they crush multiplied by a check digit of the Celestial's Will Roll. This damage is doubled if the Will Roll is a successful one. It pretty much insures the Reliever Hug Corpse won't survive many of it's successful vessel destructions. Despite their name, the Reliever Hug Corpse cannot tell the difference between a Reliever, an Imp or a Gremlin, but Vappie thinks he can fix that with some more experimentation. For that matter, they really can't tell the difference between an angel a demon or a lesser celestial being or even if something is an Ethereal. They can sense vessels and that's about it. Vapula has had limited success with giving them the ability to detect strong versus weak Celestial forces, but the heads tend to explode when they get within fifty yards of anything with more than three Celestial Forces, so it isn't really perfect yet. Also, any Celestial with three or more Celestial Forces can make a Will Roll at any time to go Celestial, which if successful will damage the Reliever Hug Corpse in the same fashion as if it had destroyed their vessel. Kobal requested one of the Force Detecting types and wrapped it up in a lead lined box. Asmodeous was less than amused when he opened it and got spattered with leaky brains. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> New... well, a couple of things, really Rough draft, so comments welcome. Moe Lepid Gun Power 4 Acc +2 Range 40 Shots 12 It's odd to say this about any item of Vaputech, but the Lepid Gun is honestly a work both of art and of craftsmanship - even if it was made by the Baroque Weapons Division (motto: "For all your Evil Mastermind needs"). The craftsmanship is obvious: there is none of the usual Vapulan shoddiness, haste or poor design flaws enshrined in the gun. It looks exactly like what it is: a properly machined over-and-under pump action shotgun with no corners cut and all sensible bells and whistles. The artistry is self-evident, too, showing up mostly in the carefully selected materials that it's constructed from - and the way that someone with a real aesthetic sense carefully chose how those materials were put together to please both the eye and hand. In short, this gun is functional, reliable and really, really pretty. It's a shame that it can only fire dead bugs. Razorwings Corporeal Forces: 1 Strength: 2 Agility: 2 Ethereal Forces: 0 Intelligence: 0 Precision: 0 Celestial Forces: 0 Will: 0 Perception: 0 Vessel Equivalent: 1 Body Hits: 4 Skills: Fighting/5, Dodge/4 Songs: Numinous Corpus/1 (Acid) Disadvantages: Need/3 (Blood) This is your standard, everyday Undead butterfly. Well, admittedly it's an Undead butterfly with razor sharp wings and a taste for human blood, but even so it's not really unusual for zombified creatures. It's got a mean temper, too. Once it gets going, it doesn't stop until either it goes down or the targets do: usually the former applies, as Razorwings on their own aren't exactly the most dangerous zombis out there. This is why, of course, that Vaputech decided to use them as self-mobile ammunition. There's something about the idea of a bullet that can cut it's way out of a target and go looking for more to slice and dice that just appeals to the Technological mind. The delivery method is simple enough. A standard shell is just that: a translucent blue gel cylinder with the Razorwing in the center. The blue gel collapses shortly after firing, cushioning the initial shock while allowing the Razorwing to survive both the firing process and the later impact with the target: it also keeps the zombi in stasis (so as to avoid the degradation process). Once the Razorwing 'wakes up', it cuts itself out and attacks anything within range. This includes the owner of the gun, so keeping your distance is probably a good idea. If you want to seriously maim or freak out a bunch of humans, this does quite nicely. For celestials, well, there's always Tickshot. Tickshot Corporeal Forces: 1 Strength: 1 Agility: 3 Ethereal Forces: 0 Intelligence: 0 Precision: 0 Celestial Forces: 0 Will: 0 Perception: 0 Vessel Equivalent: 1 Body Hits: 2 Skills: Fighting/6, Dodge/3 Songs: Numinous Corpus/1 (Acid) Disadvantages: Need/3 (Essence) These are, well, Undead ticks. A standard ammo load is about fifty or so, which can be important. Note how well the initial gun attack succeeded: for every point that the roll succeeded by, ten ticks will attach themselves. They only do active Body hit damage when they first attack: afterwards, they merely burrow in and start sucking out Essence. Every ten ticks that infest a target will suck out 1 Essence immediately and 1 more per hour. If they go more than 4 hours without sucking Essence, a Tickshot will drop off and go look for another victim. Aside from the obvious Essence drain, there's the problem that the Essence is immediately spent, meaning that the target is now regularly causing disturbance. This has made the gun popular among some elements of the Game. The bottleneck for the Lepid Gun is, of course, ammunition - but not as much a one as some might think. It would seem that some Vapulan industries produce Razorwings more or less industrial pollution: the Lepid Gun transforms this from a minor annoyance into a benefit. However, Tickshot is much harder to acquire, to the point that most Lepid Gun users usually only have one at any given time. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:42:23 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps > The Reliever Hug Corpse > > Brought to you by those wacky boys, Sammie and Vappie! How perfectly warped! :D - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:28:24 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Aztec deities and Tez Tezcatlipoca was the chief deity in Aztec and Mayan mythology; he was a deity of the night, darkness and evil and also associated with kingship and such things as destiny and fate, but he was *not* a deity of war- that was the role of Huitzilopochtli. Blood sacrifices were made to most of the Aztec deities anyway (exc Quetzalcoatl), Tezcatlipoca wasn't the only one. I suppose the question of whether or not he'd feel remorse really depends on how you see him. If he is purely a personification of evil, then sure he wouldn't. If you view him as being instead a being with emotions who chose evil over good, then perhaps he could look back on his life and think 'Did I make the right choice?' As far as I'm concerned, nothing in the GURPS books I regard as canon, only stuff in the IN books. In the end I'm playing IN, not GURPS. Instead, I'm using real world mythology and folklore, and then translating it into an IN setting. What I thought of is saying that, instead of being ethereals, the Aztec deities (at least the major ones) are actually Grigori. Most of them ended up Falling, one exception being Quetzalcoatl, due to the persecution of the Grigori and they hid in the Marches.While it doesn't say that there *were* grigori archangels, I'm sure there would have been (my argument for there being no 'proof' of this is that the Seraphim Council hid all evidence of grigori AA, for the same reason they forbid the use of the name 'Grigori', etc). So, I've said Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl were grigori AA- Tezcatlipoca fell however. While the Spaniards were romping all over Mexico and eradicating the Aztecs, Tezcatlipoca saw the end of his reign was about to end (perhaps he even foresaw his own death, or the end of his rule). Then when the shaman prayed to him to save his people, Tezcatlipoca decided to break off some of his own forces and place them in the shaman, who took on the new name 'Tez' in honour of his patron. As a result, the shaman has something of a mixed personality; on the one hand he has the huge drive to protect people (he was so devoted to his people, he would have definitely become a saint when he died), but on the other he has this sinister and dark side, making him particularly dangerous to those he deems should be punished. Finally, he also shares many feline characteristics too, since the jaguar was Tezcatlipoca's totem animal. Why Tezcatlipoca did this is unknown. Perhaps he saw that he would soon die, and believed that this was a way he could keep his soul alive (to an extent). Or perhaps, seeing his reign about to end and reflecting on his life (as many people are apt to do when they see things coming to an end) he regretted the choice he had made and saw this as his chance to Redeem. Keep in mind, all Fallen do have the spark of the divine in them, they simply cloak this with lies they tell to themselves. A demon is simply an angel with a hard chocolate shell afterall. Break that shell, and they're all caramel underneath :) Okay, that was very long-winded, but (for all those who endured the entire email) what do you think? :) Milan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:19:58 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Aztec deities and Tez I'm really sorry if you receive this email twice. I sent it over two hours ago, and it didn't show up on my email, so I thought maybe it didn't send for some reason. Tezcatlipoca was the chief deity in Aztec and Mayan mythology; he was a deity of the night, darkness and evil and also associated with kingship and such things as destiny and fate, but he was *not* a deity of war- that was the role of Huitzilopochtli. Blood sacrifices were made to most of the Aztec deities anyway (exc Quetzalcoatl), Tezcatlipoca wasn't the only one. I suppose the question of whether or not he'd feel remorse really depends on how you see him. If he is purely a personification of evil, then sure he wouldn't. If you view him as being instead a being with emotions who chose evil over good, then perhaps he could look back on his life and think 'Did I make the right choice?' As far as I'm concerned, nothing in the GURPS books I regard as canon, only stuff in the IN books. In the end I'm playing IN, not GURPS. Instead, I'm using real world mythology and folklore, and then translating it into an IN setting. What I thought of is saying that, instead of being ethereals, the Aztec deities (at least the major ones) are actually Grigori. Most of them ended up Falling, one exception being Quetzalcoatl, due to the persecution of the Grigori and they hid in the Marches.While it doesn't say that there *were* grigori archangels, I'm sure there would have been (my argument for there being no 'proof' of this is that the Seraphim Council hid all evidence of grigori AA, for the same reason they forbid the use of the name 'Grigori', etc). So, I've said Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl were grigori AA- Tezcatlipoca fell however. While the Spaniards were romping all over Mexico and eradicating the Aztecs, Tezcatlipoca saw the end of his reign was about to end (perhaps he even foresaw his own death, or the end of his rule). Then when the shaman prayed to him to save his people, Tezcatlipoca decided to break off some of his own forces and place them in the shaman, who took on the new name 'Tez' in honour of his patron. As a result, the shaman has something of a mixed personality; on the one hand he has the huge drive to protect people (he was so devoted to his people, he would have definitely become a saint when he died), but on the other he has this sinister and dark side, making him particularly dangerous to those he deems should be punished. Finally, he also shares many feline characteristics too, since the jaguar was Tezcatlipoca's totem animal. Why Tezcatlipoca did this is unknown. Perhaps he saw that he would soon die, and believed that this was a way he could keep his soul alive (to an extent). Or perhaps, seeing his reign about to end and reflecting on his life (as many people are apt to do when they see things coming to an end) he regretted the choice he had made and saw this as his chance to Redeem. Keep in mind, all Fallen do have the spark of the divine in them, they simply cloak this with lies they tell to themselves. A demon is simply an angel with a hard chocolate shell afterall. Break that shell, and they're all caramel underneath :) Okay, that was very long-winded, but (for all those who endured the entire email) what do you think? :) Milan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:01:31 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: RE: IN> Matchmaking for Dominic >--- Gregg Forge wrote: > > *cue shot of Dominic(or Dominique!) and Gabrielle(or > > Gabriel?) in bed, > > one with a cig, the other wide-eyed* > > > > "Bet the earth moved for you too, huh?" > > Owowowowowow! *collects the requisite essence for completing his normal Rite* C'mon, you can't honestly say you didn't see that comi...er, well, on the horizon? Kamika-Z, wondering how much that phrase annoys David... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:06:01 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust >From: BC Petery >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: In Nomine >Subject: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust >Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:34:11 -0400 > > > +6: A child born of willing, knowing incest. > >_That_ is even ickier than that skanky dress. > >I don't think anyone was actually objecting to the ... soiled ... garment. >We were merely having fun with the alternatives. > >(She was listed in the INC Rogues Gallary if I recall correctly.) That's pretty much what I meant, though the dress strikes me as being, while not a bad modifier, not quite sufficiently Epic in scope as the +6 for most Superior Invocations. Thus, something that would be incredibly rare, like a child born of willing, knowing incest as a fairly high-ish modifier, but made that much higher if the parents are both Moabites, if only for the irony of the situation. Kamika-Z, who is tempted to up the ante to 'the moment of -conception- of...' _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps - --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" wrote: > > The Reliever Hug Corpse Okaaaaay... what's next? A zombified Seraph of Animals (Marine Corpse)? A Zombi Lotus automoble (Esprit de Corpse)? Or maybe a Novalan Zombi (Peace Corpse)? ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New... well, a couple of things, really Gaaaaah! I think that Tickshot (bad pun, btw) is overpowered. Otherwise I like the concept -- I rather like the idea of guns with living ammo. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:55:06 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust > That's pretty much what I meant, though the dress strikes me as > being, while not a bad modifier, not quite sufficiently Epic in > scope as the +6 for most Superior Invocations. Thus, something > that would be incredibly rare, like a child born of willing, > knowing incest as a fairly high-ish modifier, but made that much > higher if the parents are both Moabites, if only for the irony of > the situation. Ya, but think--in this day and age, Michael's +6 modifier isn't that difficult to satisfy, either. Unless the battle he requires is 'epic, world-sweeping BATTEL' in nature, in which case yes, it is difficult. Yves' isn't really that Epic, either, at that. :} Just requires a good long memory. Ofanim of Destiny trying to summon him probably get all the way through Genesis, and maybe Exodus, and some parts of Leviticus before the hour's up. ;} - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:56:55 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps On 28.07.2002 1:44 PM, "Michael Walton" wrote: > --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" > wrote: >> >> The Reliever Hug Corpse > > Okaaaaay... what's next? A zombified Seraph of Animals > (Marine Corpse)? A Zombi Lotus automoble (Esprit de > Corpse)? Or maybe a Novalan Zombi (Peace Corpse)? The puns! They burn, they burn! ;} - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:57:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Aztec deities and Tez - --- G N E Z D A wrote: > I suppose the question of whether or not he'd feel > remorse really depends on how you see him. And on how you handle Ethereals in your campaign. If they are purely the products of Human imagination, they are as Humans imagine them -- which doesn't leave much room for changes of heart outside of severe cultural shifts. > What I thought of is saying that, instead of being > ethereals, the Aztec > deities (at least the major ones) are actually Grigori. Which is a MAJOR departure from IN canon, but if that's how you want to work it in your game, go for it. > Then when the shaman prayed > to him to save his people, Tezcatlipoca decided to break > off some of his own forces and place them in the shaman As I mentioned before, manipulating Forces in that manner is something that only a Superior can do. If you assume that Tezcatlipoca was a Superior, this works. Otherwise it's another departure from canon. The other problem with this is the effect on the Human. A demon would have no problem with this, of course. An angel, however, would have major issues with hijacking a Human life that way. There's also the possibility of denying a soul that has met it's Destiny it's eternal reward (a real possibility, since an actively warring Celestial risks soul death). Since even a demon would know that, it gives a demon a very good reason for staying away from angels. Especially angels of Destiny, who might well be able to read the Human's Destiny from that tangle of Forces. Not a problem with your concept except that it makes it much harder for him to play well with others. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:09:37 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps > > The Reliever Hug Corpse > > Okaaaaay... what's next? A zombified Seraph of Animals >(Marine Corpse)? A Zombi Lotus automoble (Esprit de >Corpse)? Or maybe a Novalan Zombi (Peace Corpse)? > Stop! Stop it I say! I'm on the verge of soul-death here! ;-; *falls over* Gak! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2724 ********************************