in_nomine-digest Tuesday, July 30 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2726 In this digest: Re: IN> Aztec deities and Tez Re: IN> Depth Charges Re: IN> Sympathy for the Dominique RE: IN> Depth Charges Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust Re: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision Re: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision Re: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision Re: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision IN> Andraelphus, Archangel of Love RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision Re: IN> Depth Charges Re: IN> Depth Charges RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust IN> Sympathy for the Dominique--Timeline Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust Re: IN> Depth Charges Re: IN> Sympathy for the Dominique--Timeline IN> Gloop. Re: IN> Gloop. Re: IN> Heretic Prince of Fire part 1 Re: IN> Gloop. Re: IN> Gloop. RE: IN> Gloop. RE: IN> Heretic Prince of Fire part 1 Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:49:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Aztec deities and Tez At 1:57 PM -0700 7/28/02, Michael Walton wrote: > As I mentioned before, manipulating Forces in that manner >is something that only a Superior can do. If you assume >that Tezcatlipoca was a Superior, this works. Otherwise >it's another departure from canon. Not necessarily -- some very potent, pre-Purity Crusade etehreal gods had many of the abilities of Superiors. Force manipulation might well have been among them. And, for all that he seems to be Way Scary, Tezcatlipoca does seem to be listed as a ruler of the pantheon. (Worship Cthulhu and you die last??) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:16:50 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Depth Charges > The water is expelled through the hole in the side at the rate of one > cubic yard per round until its volume has been exhausted. After the People better at math than I can calculate the approximate force at which the water rushes out of the opening, but why do I ge the feeling it's equivilent to a fire hose? - -- Casca, who's having flashbacks of _Decanters of Endless Water_ and the munchkin tricks therewith.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:34:55 -0400 From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Sympathy for the Dominique Kanako Otaku wrote: > >I've never thought of any Superior as being naive. > > Some are. Well, not really naive, but more of > uninformed or inexperienced in certain fields. Saminga > clearly lacks any people skills and Laurence is a > little "naive" emotionally. Yeah. I had the idea that my version of Dominique was simply too busy with other stuff to be completely familiar with things that weren't necessarily important to her. Or, you can see it as: A "pole dance" is likely to have something to do with dancing with a pole, but it may vary on what sort of dancing and perhaps there is modern slang that refers to a dancing partner as a pole... Conclusion: When time permits, more research will be performed. At this point in time, "pole dance" is an unfamiliar term. Many thanks to those who have had kind words. A timeline with changes from the GMG will probably be sent later today. Also, on the person(s) who have somehow mixed-up my version and the canon version...all I can say is that the Vapulan Mind Control satellites really do work sometimes! Sam! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:40:17 -0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Depth Charges - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Bertish [mailto:ebertish@hotmail.com] - -- Casca, who's having flashbacks of _Decanters of Endless Water_ and the munchkin tricks therewith.... ******** Hey!! They weren't all munchkinized! I loved that thing. Best non-lethal weapon a thief could ever have. Clear away chasing guards without having to worry about murder charges added to your breaking and entering charges. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:14:49 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust >>I think that was it. Those two cities must have been MASSIVE Tethers to >>Rapine back in the day. > >and > >>>Actually, this brings up a question in my mind: What >>>were the feelings between Genubath and Andrealphus (or >>>in this heretical scenario, Novalis)? >> >>I bet it was either uneasy alliance or bitter "your butting in on my Word, >>mister" hatred. > >Actually, just to clear up a misconception, "rapine" means violent theft or >plunder. Except in the metaphorical sense, the word has no ties to sex. > >The stereotypical eighteenth-century pirate ship might have been an >excellent roving Tether to Genubath, but even the site of a thousand >forcible sex acts wouldn't necessarily tie to the word. > >To answer the question, Genubath and Andrealphus might not have liked each >other - but they weren't rivals, at least no more than two Princes are ever >rivals. (With the exception, naturally, of Haagenti and Mammon.) Really...? I guess I took from a wrtie up of Genubath done by David, which metioned rape several times. While I know Andrealphus isn't big on rape... I figured it may have been a sort of dislike, seeing as he was an Impudite, and Genubath seemed like a totally insane mass-murderer type. But your right, there wouldn't be any Word jealousy... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:19:23 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision >--- Sirea Theyal wrote: > > Cherubim: Whomever these Cherubs attune to will become > > calm and relaxed, no > > matter how mad they may normally get; they are immune to > > feeling anger. The > > attuned can add the Cherub's ethereal forces to their > > will roll to resist any Discord relating to anger. > > You forgot to add "or Disadvantage." I know, I was lazy, but yes, it counts for disadvatages also ^_^ > > > Malakim : For 3 essence, these Malakim can make the next > > melee attack that > > hits do soul damage, regardless of whether the target is > > in celestial form > > or not, but will be unable to perform the final hit to > > remove a force. > > This needs to specify any limits on usage (though the >Essence cost does impose one). Can they use this until >they run out of Essence? Once per combat per opponent? A >limited number of times per day? They can use this as much as they like, but it's not preferred. It's sort of a "coup de' grace" attack, and they almost exclusively hunt Belial as it is. If it is too powerful, I may up the essence cost or impose another limit on it. > > > Kyriotates: Dominations of the Rain have the ability to > > possess _anything_ > > that has directly been in a natural rainstorm for > > (celestial forces) minutes. > > This is much better than what you had before. Thanks ^_^ I decided to go simple and understandable... > > The rest seems OK. I'd still like to see Rainbow's End >include the ability to use prisms, though. 0:> Oh, it can! I just was lazy, and couldn't find a way to fit that into the wording... that and it would have put it on 11k -_-;; I've messed up enough to begin with that I'd rather not push the limit even a little. It WILL be there in the final version. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:23:03 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision >On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Michael Walton wrote: > > > --- Sirea Theyal wrote: > > > Cherubim: Whomever these Cherubs attune to will become > > > calm and relaxed, no > > > matter how mad they may normally get; they are immune to > > > feeling anger. The > > > attuned can add the Cherub's ethereal forces to their > > > will roll to resist any Discord relating to anger. > > > > You forgot to add "or Disadvantage." > >Kind of after the fact, but... wouldn't this give a similar bonus to >resist Habbalah resonance for anger? That also. I should pretty much say ANY form of anger, from discord to disadvan to Habbalite resonance, etc. I was laaaaazy ;-; > > > > Malakim : For 3 essence, these Malakim can make the next > > > melee attack that > > > hits do soul damage, regardless of whether the target is > > > in celestial form > > > or not, but will be unable to perform the final hit to > > > remove a force. > > > > This needs to specify any limits on usage (though the > > Essence cost does impose one). Can they use this until > > they run out of Essence? Once per combat per opponent? A > > limited number of times per day? > >No it doesn't. 3 Essence per attack - that's the limit. I don't see why >any more restrictions need to be added... even a full-of-essence 18-Force >Master is only going to be able to use this a mere six times before >running out of Essence (unless he's got a bandolier of reliquaries). I may add one more limitation, but I kinda liked it as is. I added that it's MELEE only, so they can't set off a bomb and go wild. > > > > Kyriotates: Dominations of the Rain have the ability to > > > possess _anything_ > > > that has directly been in a natural rainstorm for > > > (celestial forces) minutes. > > > > This is much better than what you had before. > >Yes. Thanks ^_^ simple is good is what I said _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:24:48 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision > > Kyriotates: Dominations of the Rain have the ability to > > possess _anything_ > > that has directly been in a natural rainstorm for > > (celestial forces) minutes. > > >The more powerful one of these Kyriotates gets, the longer they have >to wait to possess something? How about (7 - Celestial Forces) >minutes? Ah! Thank you for catching this! I knew there was something about the wording... how about base celestial forces minutes? No... that won't work as well... hrm. I'm stumped. This is a very good point, even if I liked it the way it is. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:26:34 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps > >*shudders* whoa... the very image of that is just... it's too cute to >even > >stomach. All of Hell redeemed by the Archangel of Cute and her legion of > >hugging relievers? > >_Archangel_ of Cute? I dunno, the Impudite Princess of Cute seems to >be doing quite well, and, er, probably has seniority over any new-raised >Angel of Cute... > >And yes, she IS an Impudite. I have no Essence... > I know ;-; that was one of those "alternate IN" ideas. And tell Iolanthe that I like her very much. Very very much. (Ohluciferpleasedontdrainme...) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:31:53 -0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision They can possess someone who has been in a rainstorm for up to their celestial forces in minutes after said person has departed the rain. More Forces means longer time out of the rain to still effect. - -----Original Message----- From: Sirea Theyal [mailto:sireabloodtear@hotmail.com] > > Kyriotates: Dominations of the Rain have the ability to > > possess _anything_ > > that has directly been in a natural rainstorm for > > (celestial forces) minutes. > > >The more powerful one of these Kyriotates gets, the longer they have >to wait to possess something? How about (7 - Celestial Forces) >minutes? Ah! Thank you for catching this! I knew there was something about the wording... how about base celestial forces minutes? No... that won't work as well... hrm. I'm stumped. This is a very good point, even if I liked it the way it is. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:35:30 -0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision > > The rest seems OK. I'd still like to see Rainbow's End >include the ability to use prisms, though. 0:> Oh, it can! I just was lazy, and couldn't find a way to fit that into the wording... that and it would have put it on 11k -_-;; I've messed up enough to begin with that I'd rather not push the limit even a little. It WILL be there in the final version. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx I'd rather see this called "The Rainbow Connection" but I'm Jim Henson fan. Somewhere we'll find it The Rainbow Connection The lovers The dreamers And me "Rainbow Connection" Kermit the Frog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision - --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" wrote: > I'd rather see this called "The Rainbow Connection" but > I'm Jim Henson fan. I can see it now... a Rainie leaves a message for a friend... and said message is intercepted by a little green Ethereal in a trenchcoat. 08> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

-- men and women." -- Rev. David Moore

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:15:06 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision >They can possess someone who has been in a rainstorm for up to their >celestial forces in minutes after said person has departed the rain. More >Forces means longer time out of the rain to still effect. So... to get this straight, it's like this? A 14 force Kyrio would have to wait 14 minutes, but would have a 14 minute window if the subject left the rain to possess? And if they were 9 forces, they would wait for only 9 minutes, but would only get a 9 minute window after? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:21:00 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision > I can see it now... a Rainie leaves a message for a >friend... and said message is intercepted by a little green >Ethereal in a trenchcoat. 08> > Oy >_< Mind you, I have nothing against him... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:27:05 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Andraelphus, Archangel of Love Since I've been gone for the past two weeks, I haven't had a chance to submit anything for the list. Figured I'd chip in my two cents. Andraelphus, Malakite Archangel of Love "Love may not make the world go around, but it does bring joy to those in it." Andraelphus was a Mercurian when he was first formed. He focused on the concept of Love when it was introduced. As an Intercessionist, he could appreciate the powerful bond that love could form. When humans began to understand the concept, he worked silently amongst them and encouraged love to blossom. Then the Morningstar came and spoke with him. The Archangel of Light taught the Archangel of Love about the darker pleasures that could be had. The Mercurian began to believe in Lucifer's vision for the future; he could sense the truth behind what he was offering and he sided with the Lightbringer. The Rebellion opened his eyes and ripped away Andraelphus' self-deception. The hatred that spilled out between angels showed him that Lucifer offered nothing but lies. He saw clearly that the pleasures he enjoyed and the thoughts of using people for his own delight was wrong. And with that knowledge came anger. Anger at being used, anger at being manipulated, and anger with himself at putting his selfish interests over his Word. The shriek of rage that Andraelphus let out was the very embodiment of love that had been scorned and betrayed. Fighters on both sides stopped to hear it as it echoed throughout the Eternal City. And when it was done, Andraelphus stood before them with black wings and bright silver chains that had taken other angels that day. And then he lashed out at the fallen angels with murder in his eyes. The Archangel of Love nearly died in that battle. Spurred on by his sense of shame at his disgrace and his renewed love of Heaven, Andraelphus threw himself into the worst of the fighting. When the last of the Fallen had left Heaven, Michael found Andraelphus in a bloody heap on the ground. Without a word, he lifted him up and carried him to the Cathedral of Love to be healed. Andraelphus works to reinforce the positive bonds of love on Earth. Whether love from a parent to a child, between two people in an intimate relationship, for one's community, or for God and Heaven, he and his Servitors work hard to teach people about selflessly pledging yourself to something other than self-interest. And when someone feels the harsh sting of love that has died, they teach people how to face the pain and find the strength to go on. They also fight mercilessly against those who manipulate people with false affection. And against demons, who stand as the rejection of the love of God, the Servitors of Love are some of the more ruthless opponents on Earth. Dissonance conditions, Servitor Attunements, etc. tomorrow since I don't have my book at work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:29:23 -0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision No. Delete the wait. Or make the wait dependent upon the Celestial Forces of the being they wish to possess. - -----Original Message----- From: Sirea Theyal [mailto:sireabloodtear@hotmail.com] >They can possess someone who has been in a rainstorm for up to their >celestial forces in minutes after said person has departed the rain. More >Forces means longer time out of the rain to still effect. So... to get this straight, it's like this? A 14 force Kyrio would have to wait 14 minutes, but would have a 14 minute window if the subject left the rain to possess? And if they were 9 forces, they would wait for only 9 minutes, but would only get a 9 minute window after? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:44:39 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Depth Charges >> The water is expelled through the hole in the side at the rate of one >> cubic yard per round until its volume has been exhausted. After the > >People better at math than I can calculate the approximate force at which >the water rushes out of the opening, but why do I ge the feeling it's >equivilent to a fire hose? Depends on the cross-sectional area of the hole and the length of a round. If a round is one second, something which was just under two inches in diameter would have the water flowing out at an initial velocity of 1296 feet per second. Yikes. Even if the hole was a just under two *feet* in diameter, the water would still be flowing out at 9 feet per second. Maybe a cubic yard every five minutes. The water would be coming out of a 2"-diameter hole at about 4.3 feet per second, then. William Math degrees. They're like pocketknives, ready cash, or pen and notebook. They don't look like much to the unimaginative, but they come in handy at the strangest times and make you far more dangerous than you look. ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:01:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: Re: IN> Depth Charges William J. Keith said: > Even if the hole was a > just under two *feet* in diameter, the water would still be flowing > out at 9 feet per second. But a round is five seconds. That's still about 250 fps with a 2" hole... but that's not even Mach speed. Granted, the water would be flowing faster than most cars can go, but flash floods have been recorded in excess of 200mph, so as flows of water go, this doesn't even come close to setting records. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:10:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: RE: IN>Eklizeal, 2nd Revision Sirea Theyal said: > A 14 force Kyrio would have to wait 14 minutes, but would have a 14 > minute window if the subject left the rain to possess? And if they > were 9 forces, they would wait for only 9 minutes, but would only > get a 9 minute window after? Rephrase to perhaps better fit the intention (and as I remember the attunement): "After someone (something?) has entered a natural rainstorm (and is getting wet by it), a Kyriotate of the Rain can possess them automatically (although the subject may still resist with a Will roll). In addition, the Kyriotate can use this attunement on anyone who was in a natural rainstorm no more than (total Forces) minutes before the possession attempt." It's clunky, but I think it might get the intent across. Basically, a Kyriotate of the Rain has a window equal to his total Forces in minutes after a person leaves a rainstorm where he can still use his attunement (no-roll entry) on them. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:27:58 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust > > That's pretty much what I meant, though the dress strikes me as > > being, while not a bad modifier, not quite sufficiently Epic in > > scope as the +6 for most Superior Invocations. Thus, something > > that would be incredibly rare, like a child born of willing, > > knowing incest as a fairly high-ish modifier, but made that much > > higher if the parents are both Moabites, if only for the irony of > > the situation. > >Ya, but think--in this day and age, Michael's +6 modifier isn't that >difficult to satisfy, either. Unless the battle he requires is 'epic, >world-sweeping BATTEL' in nature, in which case yes, it is difficult. Yves' >isn't really that Epic, either, at that. :} Just requires a good long >memory. Ofanim of Destiny trying to summon him probably get all the way >through Genesis, and maybe Exodus, and some parts of Leviticus before the >hour's up. ;} > >--Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm But by contrast, you have things like a rock used to kill a demon, a stone carving more than 1500 years old, the work of a blind sculpture, and the beads that bought Manhattan. Those aren't exactly easy tasks... Kamika-Z ...to say nothing of the Grand Unification Theory or...THE LOST MONET!!! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:33:42 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps >From: "Sirea Theyal" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: RE: IN> Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps >Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:09:37 +0000 > >> > The Reliever Hug Corpse >> >> Okaaaaay... what's next? A zombified Seraph of Animals >>(Marine Corpse)? A Zombi Lotus automoble (Esprit de >>Corpse)? Or maybe a Novalan Zombi (Peace Corpse)? >> > >Stop! Stop it I say! I'm on the verge of soul-death here! ;-; > >*falls over* > >Gak! > What amazes me is that he didn't cover the Very Apparant VapuTech Computing Answer to the Nybbas PC Kamika-Z ...Apple Corpse... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:41:32 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust > >What was Sodom and Gamorra known for? > >Wasn't it homosexuality? > Part of a NUMBER of quote, 'abhorrant acts', unquote, that help constitute certain laws that are collectively known as 'sodomy and unnatural acts'. Kamika-Z ...though, amusingly, sodomy in specific covers a specific act... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:14:28 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: IN> Sympathy for the Dominique--Timeline Here's the timeline. I've put a couple bits from the GMG for reference and marked areas that differ. Timeline 22,625 B.C. The Fall 16,000 B.C. Demons freed from Hell by Lilith *15,500 B.C. The Marches discovered by Blandine, she is elevated to Archangel shortly thereafter *15,450 B.C. The Tower of Dreams is finished *15,000 B.C. Hell discovers the Marches; a series of demons are put in charge of Hell's effort to claim the Ethereal realm (all of which are now destroyed) 1580 B.C. Trial of Michael; Uriel assumes position of Commander of the Hosts *464 A.D. The Purity Crusade begins, Blandine protests *465 A.D. A powerful Djinn appears at Hell's gates, Lucifer greets the Djinn and crowns her Beleth, Demon Princess of Nightmares; many ethereals flock to her for protection; the Twisted Tower of Nightmares springs up overnight; Blandine is nowhere to be seen during this; Beleth and Blandine are never seen together *494 A.D. Uriel recalled to Heaven; Dominic elevated to Commander of the Hosts; Laurence enters Dominic's service; Michael withdraws to the edge of Heaven and has little to do with the Seraphim Council 610 A.D. Gabriel visits the Prophet Muhammad, reciting the Koran *615 A.D. Khalid, Angel of Faith, requests an investigation of Gabriel; after Gabriel has a conversation with Dominic, the investigation is dropped; the relationship between Gabriel and Dominic is considerably cooler; Dominic almost exclusively adopts female form and becomes more commonly known as Dominique *715 A.D. Khalid elevated to Archangel *800 A.D. Genubath and Legion destroy each other in a bitter internal war; Valefor, a senior servitor of Genubath's is granted the word of Theft and elevated to Demon Prince; Valefor immediate sets his sights on Janus and begins his ultimate goal of stealing his identity *1300 A.D. After gaining approval from Dominique (she would have done it anyway), Novalis engages Andrealpheus in a truce *1340 A.D. Andrealpheus gives Novalis information about Makatiel's plans to create a disease that can affect celestials, this information is passed to Asmodeus through Dominique (he would not consider the information valid if it came from Andrealpheus); the Prince of Disease is put under strict supervision and his plan foiled *1945 A.D. Eli goes on walkabout * - different from the GMG timeline Yes, I'm heavily implying that Blandine and Beleth are the same. Doesn't it make more sense for the two Superiors who are primarily based in the mysterious third realm and vote by proxy in Heaven (or Hell) to be the ones which could be the same person? That's what I was thinking... Sam! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:14:24 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust > > --- Kanako Otaku wrote: > > > >What was Sodom and Gamorra known for? > > > > > > Wasn't it homosexuality? > > > > Hint: where do you think the term, "sodomy" came from? > >Actualy Sodom and Gamorra were known for their inhospitality. The >term "sodomy" means inhospitality. If I recall correctly, the nature of >that inhospitality in the example shown by the bible was >sexual in nature. More recent connotations affiliate sodomy with > >homosexuality. (Thank you puritans) Actually, I'll point in the direction of dictionary.com. Mind you, I think what you refer to is the more Hebrew-ized translation, which makes a lot more sense, but it makes for an interesting example of Word Shift among infernals... Kamika-Z, who bets that demon doesn't regret joining Andre's camp... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:18:31 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Depth Charges > >> The water is expelled through the hole in the side at the rate of one > >> cubic yard per round until its volume has been exhausted. After the > > > >People better at math than I can calculate the approximate force at which > >the water rushes out of the opening, but why do I ge the feeling it's > >equivilent to a fire hose? > >Depends on the cross-sectional area of the hole and the length of a round. >If a round is one second, something which was just under two inches in >diameter would have the water flowing out at an initial velocity of 1296 >feet per second. Yikes. Even if the hole was a just under two *feet* in >diameter, the water would still be flowing out at 9 feet per second. > >Maybe a cubic yard every five minutes. The water would be coming out of a >2"-diameter hole at about 4.3 feet per second, then. Ay! That is a LOT of salt water! Ew... salt water... then again, I can imagine the utter havoc servitors of the Ocean could have created with this thing. But isn't that a little too much...? Or maybe it's just right, I can't think mathmatically at the moment. Not that I can normally... - -Sirea, who imagined demons mixing powdered milk with salt water, creating a tasty hellish delight! *barf* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Sympathy for the Dominique--Timeline >Yes, I'm heavily implying that Blandine and Beleth are >the same. >Doesn't it >make more sense for the two Superiors who are >primarily based in the >mysterious third realm and vote by proxy in Heaven (or >Hell) to be the >ones >which could be the same person? That's what I was >thinking... Yes, it IS possible. After all, it's not really possible for Beleth to gain that much power since her Word is a subcategory of Blandine's. However, should Blandine decide to *ahem* use both sides, she can't go around as herself in Hell, can she? As to my knowledge, the Princes don't vote. Other than Malphas and company, there isn't much of a democracy in Hell. Before you say Lilith is an exception, she doesn't *have* an organization, per se, she's an anarchist. Even *if* you chose someone to be your leader, you're still somewhat under his control. Not exactly Freedom in the sense Lilith likes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:31:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Gloop. Don't ask. Just. Don't. Ask. Moe The Chicken Heart That Ate the World Damned If Anybody Knows What This Started Out As Corporeal Forces: 6 Strength: 12 Agility: 12 Ethereal Forces: 1 Intelligence: 2 Precision: 2 Celestial Forces: 0 Will: 0 Perception: 0 Vessel/6, Charisma -2, Toughness/2 Body Hits: 168 Skills: Dodge/6, Fighting/6, Move Silently/3, Tactics/6 Songs: Corporeal Healing/6, Numinous Corpus/6 (Acid) Discord: Ugly/6, Vulnerable/3 (Extreme Flame and/or cold) Have I ever mentioned that Sparky shotgu n s Maalox? Well, can you blame him? Just when he thinks that he's got a handle on things, something like... something like... something like this... comes boiling out of the woodwork. The worse bit was, of course, that the Balseraph was sure that radio plays were safe. Vapula's always been a visual sort of Prince: take away the eyeball candy, and surely he won't get any ideas. Oops. The worst bit is, not even Vapula was really able to tell a frantic Sparky just what the HELL this thing is made out of. It isn't Undead; it isn't a construct; it certainly isn't celestial and/or ethereal. If he didn't know better, the Balseraph would swear that it's just an incredibly disgusting, foul-smelling pile of chicken heart tissue that's somehow learned to move around and eat things. Of course, if things were that simple, Sparky wouldn't have that annoying triple eye tick problem... The problem is, of course, that the Damned thing isn't easy to put down. It's not quite as problematical as, say, a Shoggoth (theoretical physical similarities aside): it's vulnerable to cold and heat and not immune to bullets. Unfortunately, it has to be extreme heat, bitter cold and/or lots of bullets. Worse and worse, you had better get every single atom of the stuff, or it'll just come back after it eats enough mass. Cleaning it up took forever... and, of course, once he finally got all of it, Vapula absolutely refused to let him annihilate it. Apparently, the Genius Prince thought that it was 'cute'. Thankfully, Sparky was allowed to dump the CHTAtW into a thirty-gallon drum, seal it and put it in corporeal cold storage (in every sense of the term). Not an optimal solution, but better than nothing... What do you MEAN, the storage facility was trashed during the last Lightning raid? No, just leave the case of Maalox on the desk. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:54:08 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Gloop. From: "Maurice Lane" > > Just. Don't. Ask. Your NPR station carries "Comedy College" too, huh? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:36:42 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Heretic Prince of Fire part 1 > The answer is simple: Belial is Lucifer's personal Hit Man. You have to go and give me this cool image *After* I soul-kill Belial in my campaign. *sulk* Ah well. Maybe next campaign. And there are a few errant Discord-riddled Forces of his floating around in Eli in my current game... - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Gloop. - --- Prodigal wrote: > From: "Maurice Lane" > > > > Just. Don't. Ask. > > Your NPR station carries "Comedy College" too, huh? Actually, not that I know: I don't listen to the radio, much. Why, was it on? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:49:19 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Gloop. From: "Maurice Lane" > > > > Your NPR station carries "Comedy College" too, huh? > > Actually, not that I know: I don't listen to the > radio, much. Why, was it on? Last night's installment had Bill Cosby's routine about the Chicken Heart, so I figured there might be a connection. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:50:35 -0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Gloop. - -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Lane [mailto:moelane_1999@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:31 AM To: IN List Subject: IN> Gloop. Don't ask. Just. Don't. Ask. Moe The Chicken Heart That Ate the World Damned If Anybody Knows What This Started Out As *** It started out as a Bill Cosby anecdote on his album "To Russel, My Brother" Which I belive also has the original Fat Albert sketch as well as Buck Buck and Cool Covers. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:56:29 -0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> Heretic Prince of Fire part 1 Or it could just be who ever replaces Belial. hell still needs someone to take care of Fire, doesn't it? - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Bertish [mailto:ebertish@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:37 AM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> Heretic Prince of Fire part 1 > The answer is simple: Belial is Lucifer's personal Hit Man. You have to go and give me this cool image *After* I soul-kill Belial in my campaign. *sulk* Ah well. Maybe next campaign. And there are a few errant Discord-riddled Forces of his floating around in Eli in my current game... - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:17:14 -0600 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust Gregg Forge wrote: > Lot survived Sodom and Gamorra. > What was Sodom and Gamorra known for? > WHERE did Lot's daughters grow up? These are, after all, the very virgin daughters Lot offered to the crowd if they'd leave the angel-in-disguise alone. - -- Steven E. Ehrbar ehrbar@softhome.net stevenehrbar@elp.rr.com We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't believe in tolerance and free speech. - David Brin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:20:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Gregg Forge wrote: > But by contrast, you have things like a rock used to kill a demon, a stone > carving more than 1500 years old, the work of a blind sculpture, and the > beads that bought Manhattan. Those aren't exactly easy tasks... > Well... A work by a blind sculptor (i.e. artist) isn't all that hard to find. You just go to the nearest workshop for handicapped/disabled artists and buy one. Maybe get it via the Internet. You waltz into a music shop and buy sheets of music written by J.S. Bach after he went blind. Or Stevie Wonder. Or Ray Charles...;) > Kamika-Z ...to say nothing of the Grand Unification Theory or...THE LOST > MONET!!! Now /there's/ a tickler and no mistake! :) - -- "Morituri Nolumus Mori" Unni Solaas ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2726 ********************************