in_nomine-digest Wednesday, July 31 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2728 In this digest: Re: IN> Gloop. Re: IN> Cute (Was Re: Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps) Re: IN> Cute Re: IN> Cute Re: IN> Cute IN> Dead IN> Tez history introduction IN> Tez history Re: IN> Cute Re: IN> Tez history introduction IN> Sodom and Gomorrah IN> Andrealphus, Archangel of Love-Part 2 Re: IN> New Contest Proposal! Re: IN> Cute Re: IN> Dead Re: IN> Tez history introduction Re: IN> Sodom and Gomorrah IN> Twist! Re: IN> Sodom and Gomorrah Re: IN> Dead Re: IN> Dead Re: IN> Evil Mike part 1 IN> Let The Wookiee Win Re: IN> Andrealphus, Archangel of Love-Part 2 Re: IN> Tez history introduction RE: IN> Andrea... (Re: Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Gloop. - --- Michael Walton wrote: > --- Maurice Lane wrote: > > The Chicken Heart That Ate the World > > Still not getting enough sleep, eh, Moe? 0:> There's a drug out there that will allow people to stay awake and alert for 40 hours: as long as you then sleep for 8 hours, you're fine. Apparently, this can be done more or less indefinitely, without any major side effects and damn few minor ones. I am -so- getting this stuff when they finally release it to the general population. > > Thankfully, Sparky was allowed to dump the > > CHTAtW into a thirty-gallon drum, seal it and put > it > > in corporeal cold storage > > Heh. You've seen "Son of Blob," haven't you, Moe? Actually, again, no. This came out of nowhere, based off of nothing except Steven King's description of the original radio broadcast in his book Danse Macarbe - and I haven't read THAT in years. I couldn't begin to tell you how or why I thought of it in the first place... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:11:54 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Cute (Was Re: Kim & the Reliever Hug Corps) > Cute (1 CP/level, max 3 levels, not limited to celestials) Heh. Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.... Go ahead and give yourself a few XP there, Chris. >:) - -- Casca "Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." --Margaret Chittenden, writer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:13:12 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> Cute > > Cute (1 CP/level, max 3 levels, not limited to celestials) *coughsnrk* I can't help but wonder if there are Malakim of War and Stone out there who would purposefully purchase this just to get more and more aggressive demons to play with...like anything else of this nature, a'course. - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Sometimes," said Petra, "what's right is not peaceful or passive. What matters is that you do not hide from the consequences. You bear what must be borne." ==== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:22:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Cute On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, WonderGecko wrote: > *coughsnrk* I can't help but wonder if there are Malakim of War and Stone > out there who would purposefully purchase this just to get more and more > aggressive demons to play with...like anything else of this nature, > a'course. Well... There is the Angel of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens... He's a malakite. Blame Moe... :) - -- "Morituri Nolumus Mori" Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:23:01 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Cute - ----- Original Message ----- From: "WonderGecko" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: Re: IN> Cute > *coughsnrk* I can't help but wonder if there are Malakim of War and Stone > out there who would purposefully purchase this just to get more and more > aggressive demons to play with...[...] Angel Of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens, anyone? *bg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:32:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: IN> Dead Dead (1 CP/level, 3 levels max, not limited to celestials) Like Cute and other Charisma-based Vessel modifications, this advantage manifests only upon the Vessel it affects. (For humans with this advantage, that's their body; celestials with this advantage can switch to another Vessel, if they have one, to avoid the effects.) Dead isn't quite what it seems; rather than indicating a state of death, it implies one. In other words, a person with a Dead Vessel isn't actually dead, but everybody will think so. There isn't necessarily decay going on, but there is something of a stink to the person, and his skin just doesn't look or feel right. At higher levels, the person might move more stiffly than usual, or have trouble correctly positioning limbs. There is a significant positive aspect to this advantage, however, which is why it costs points instead of granting them: the Symphony is partially convinced that the person is dead as well. Specifically, demons will be significantly less successful at targeting the character with their resonance, and in fact will have a harder time detecting the character at all in order to use their resonance. (The exception to this is Servitors of Death - who may still assume that the character is undead.) Mechanics A character in a Dead Vessel takes a penalty to all reaction rolls made against him equal to the number of levels of Dead his Vessel has. However, any demonic resonance used against him is at a penalty equal to his Dead level, and demons must make a successful (unmodified) Perception roll to even notice him as a target, if the character is in a crowd of any size. Servitors of Death are immune to this effect. As a side effect, angelic resonances may also be fooled by Dead: if the roll succeeds by less than the character's Dead level, the resonance will return results that indicate that the character is, in fact, deceased. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:04:32 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Tez history introduction Okay, having considering all the responses I've gotten so far, I thought I'd sit down and work out a history for Tez that, while having a few departures from cannon, I feel is fairly consistent with the IN universe. Before I put down the history, though, I would like to clarify a few points. Some of the info here relies on the fact that the book 'Fingerprints of the Gods' is accepted as fact. From my reading of it, what I've read sounds very convincing, but then maybe I'm not cynical enough. Dunno. Anyway, some of the information in the books is as follows: 1) Antarctica wasn't always covered in ice, rather it was much further north and was in a temperate zone around 15,000 years ago. Gradually it moved further south and, as it did so, became increasingly more ice-covered, until it ended up where it is now. 2) Human civilisation began much earlier than we'e been led to believe so far. In fact, a map has been discovered that was drawn in the 16th century (it's been proven it was drawn then, and the person who drew it claimed he copied it from a much older source) which was an incredibly accurate depiction of Antarctica as it looked before the ice, some 12,000+ years ago. No 16th century cartographer would have been able to produce such an accurate map (even if someone *had* stumbled across Antarctica by then... :)), let alone one in 10000 BC, unless our assumptions are all wrong... Basically, the book suggests that humans had evolved much earlier than that, and had achieved quite a high level of technology by the time many of the 'first civilisations' came into being, probably of a level equal to 20th century western civilisation. These people, in turn, helped along many of the ancient civilisations (things like the Egyptian pyramids and the Mayan/Aztec ziggurats are believed to have been built by them, while the later groups who are credited with building them were simply 'custodians', ie these people built the pyramids, the Egyptians chose to use them, etc). This accounts for many of the similarities in folklore of the ancient peoples, even though physically they had never met. The people known as the Virachocas are believed to have been this group of ancient humans. Anyway, onto my next post... :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:25:50 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Tez history Okay, here's a point form of Tez' history. * Santha (a cherub of Jordi, and the original name of my PC) was a close friend of a bunch of celestials, mostly grigori, who spent much of their time on Antarctica, fostering human civilisations there. * Some of the celestials are Tezcatlipoca (a grigori superior, not sure of his Word yet), Quetzalcoatl (again a grigori, unsure of status), Tlaloc (a Janite), Mictlantecuhtli (a Davidian) and Huitzilopochtli (a Michaelite). * Santha chooses to accompany them in an attempt to nurture a sense of 'animal companionship' with the humans there, ie encourage them to respect animals, and not harm them except for survival. * Tezcatlipoca was Santha's closest friend, and she would never let any harm come to Tezcatlipoca. * These celestials spent a lot of their time on the corporeal plane but one day Tlaloc returned to Heaven when the whole grigori debate was raging. No decision had yet been made to cast them out. * Tlaloc alerted the rest of his group and it was decided they'd steal their hearts and become outcasts, before the Council had reached a decison. By then it might be too late. * Santha knew her heart was safe in Jordi's savannah, so she (along with a handful of other non-grigori) left their hearts in their respective homes. * Tezcatlipoca was furious, while Quetzalcoatl tried to be more peaceful about it, simply accepting their fate. * As Antarctica moved further south, the celestials were forced to flee, and Tezcatlipoca saw this as an attempt by Heaven to destroy them. Eventually they came to the continent that would later be known as America, and there they helped guide the various Indian people. * One of the celestials decided to return to Heaven and it was believed he would inform the Inquisition of their location, so Mictlantecuhtli used the celestial song of Life on him and vapourised him. None of the others had yet acquired such abilities and thought Mictlantecuhtli had crossed a line, and there was much fear and uncertainty within the group from then on. Although, no-one tried to leave for quite a while. * As the millennia went by, Tezcatlipoca (who had the support of most of the group) and Quetzalcoatl began to have disputes, and Quetzalcoatl disagreed with Tezcatlipoca's violent methods, and the two rarely communicated. One day the two came to blows and Quetzalcoatl left. Tezcatlipoca, knowing that Santha also disagreed with his ways, offered her the choice of either staying with him or leaving with Quetzalcoatl. Santha could clearly see that Tezcatlipoca was changing and on the verge of a Fall but also didn't want to abandon her close friend, neither did she wish to abandon her father, Jordi (she was made out of his forces), by aligning with a Fallen. Her devotion to both of them was just as strong, but she felt that Tezcatlipoca needed her more than Jordi did. If Tezcatlipoca was going to Fall, he would need a friend to help him find his way out of the flames and back to Heaven later on. Still, she could choose neither one. * Jordi could see she was in two minds about it. Knowing that her cherub nature wouldn't allow her to abandon either one, and knowing she *must* choose one of them in the end, Jordi questioned her privately. He knew that if she chose to side with Tezcatlipoca she would be hunted by the Inquisition, but also that she couldn't choose either one of them without causing herself much dissonance at betraying the other. So, he removed one choice. Handing Santha her heart, Jordi informed her that she is free to go. * While she had little to do with Tezcatlipoca for the next few millennia, she was always close enough to keep an eye on him, and protect him if need be. * Then the Spaniards came and things went chaotic. A number of Dominicans were among the Spaniards and they had at last located some of the Fallen grigori. While the Spaniards went around looting the Aztec civilisation, the Dominicans went about capturing their deities. * Seeing his impending death (Tezcatlipoca could foresee the future afterall), he called upon Santha. Tezcatlipoca was apologetic for what he had done and wished to seek out Quetzalcoatl to apologise for everything, but he couldn't as soon the Inquisitors would likely destroy him. So, Santha agreed that she would protect him. Using the song of life, Tezcatlipoca merged some of his grigori forces with her cherub soul and so the Inquisition were unable to locate him. Whether he truly wished to Redeem, or whether he is using Santha to track down Quetzalcoatl so he may finish him off once and for all is unclear. What is known is that, while Santha (or Tez, as she/he has now called him/herself) has clearly changed somewhat, Santha is still mostly a cherub in nature. Although, occasionally Santha does seem to commit some pretty sinister acts, totally out of character...... * ADDITIONAL * * The Inquisition has found out the truth about Tez. * At one point during the 1800s (while Tez was helping a tribe of Sioux fight the whites) a Triad of Dominicans managed to track him down and were coming close to capturing him. Contacting a servitor of Eli, Tez had a bunch of memory pearls made and placed most of his memories of his past in those pearls, thus preventing any seraphim from detecting him 'lying'. Tez kept a record of the location of all the pearls and only he knows where that record is. Of course, then he placed that memory on a pearl and hid it somewhere *very* safe. While most of the pearls are still safe, some of them were found by the whites. * Since then Jordi has taken back Santha/Tez' heart and is keeping it safe in his Savannah. Zadkiel has also noticed Tez and feels sorry for him, for Tez is very much a pure and noble soul, despite the pain he/she has been though. So, the two are secretly helping him where possible. * Now Tez knows that he's been around since the Aztecs, and knows that a bunch of people have been trying to track him down his entire life, that's he's somehow immortal and has cool powers, has a dark side to his personality that he constantly tries to keep in check, and that he's trying to track down Quetzalcoatl. That's all he knows, however. Okay, what do you think? Wow it's long! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:47:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Cute >Angel Of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens, anyone? The horror....the horror.....AAAAHHHHH (Forces begin scattering in random direcitons) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> Tez history introduction *patpat* You should read everything by Kenneth Hite, right now. Nothing could make you more cynically joyful about superscience, weird history, conspiracies and ancient mysteries, racial memory, the Loch ness monster and the Theory of Atlantis. WS Loyal Technocrat. Really. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:51:14 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Sodom and Gomorrah >> Wait a minute. Was this before or after the War in Heaven? >> I recall that Lucy was still in Heaven in the Book of Job. > > Abandon Hope All Ye Who Organize Chronologically Here. > > You will need Jean's Very Special Blend and a monster bottle of Tylenol > for the headache you will develop in the attempt to reconcile In Nomine > and Biblical timelines. After I posted I remembered something. When the Bible was originally written it was on scrolls, one scroll per book. These scrolls were then stored on end in a large jar, not unlike an umbrella stand. The chronological organization implied once it was put into a codex (modern bound book) was done in a manner to suit the people doing the binding. (OK, Genesis and Exodus are obvious, but many of the others have no reference to one another.) The actual order in which the books are arranged is important. Placing the books that call for a messiah at the very end of the Old Testament adds validity to Christ in the New Testament. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:08:42 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Andrealphus, Archangel of Love-Part 2 With thanks to Moe for bringing the sledgehammer to my writer's block... Dissonance It is Dissonant for a Servitor of Love to mistreat the humans that they associate with. If they use humans for selfish aims or abuse the trust that they earn, they will earn dissonance. Choir Attunements Seraphim (Restricted) The Most Holy in service to Love tend to work with people that devote themselves to others (Priests, social workers, etc.). Through a successful Resonance, they know if a person is truly dedicated to what they are doing or if they are pursuing it for selfish aims. Cherubim (Restricted) Andraelphus' Cherubim are among the most loving of his Servitors. They seek out those who have been harmed by love and heal their pain through friendship and building up trust. With a check digit of 6 on a Resonance roll, the Cherub knows the true name of the person who caused the attuned pain. Demons that mistreat humans have found themselves to be the targets of enraged Cherubim. Ofanim Ofanim of Love are Andrealphus' messengers, go-betweens and, ahem, 'chaperones'. They add their Ethereal Forces to any resonance or skill roll that aids or allows two lovers to communicate or meet. Elohim Due to the rather emotional associations with the Word of Love, Andraelphus has few Powers in his service. Those who do serve him are gifted with the ability to (by making a Perception roll) create a glamour that shows a person's 'true face'. This true face will reflect the person's inner personality and habits: good people become beautiful, bad ones become ugly. This glamour will only be visible to one other person (chosen when the glamour is invoked). Malakim (Restricted) Malakim of Love can see dishonorable acts caused by abuse of trust or love. They home in on sexual predators and child abusers like a shark to prey. Bright Lilim (Restricted) Andraelphus has the most Bright Lilim in his service. The Gifters see him as a father figure who loves them deeply and they return that love completely, something that causes the Lilim in Hell to loathe them. They add their Celestial Forces towards invoking a Geas that furthers the Word of Love. Making someone working long hours leave early to be with his family, getting two friends to try reconciling their differences, and suggesting a woman to visit her father in a nursing home are some examples. The Geas will NOT force someone to love another as love is not about compulsion. Kyriotate (Restricted) Andraelphus' Dominations can automatically possess anyone who has died for True Love. The target retains overt control of his or her actions and memories, but the Kyriotate may substitute its hits (and freely use supernatural powers, provided that said powers are used to reunite the lovers). This possession lasts just long enough for the lovers to reunite, say their farewells and - most importantly - kiss. Delaying the reuniting of the lovers is, of course, dissonant... Mercurian Mercurians of Love can discover Soul Mates by making a resonance roll. Use the CD to determine the information gathered: a CD of 1 will simply indicate whether the target has a Soul Mate, while a 6 provides the name and address... Servitor Attunements Cyrano By making a Intelligence roll, the angel may 'loan' to a human his or her target numbers in the following skills: Musical Instrument, Singing, Savoir Faire and/or Emote (expression of emotions only). The effects last for CD minutes. Note that the Seduction skill is NOT lent out... Perfumed Bower By spending 2 Essence, the angel can transform any setting into something highly romantic. This will result in a general plus to reactions equal to + (the angel's Ethereal Forces). The effects last for 4 hours. Heart's Blood The angel may give life force to any entity that he or she truly loves. Any sort of hits may be replenished in this way - but the angel must always sacrifice Soul Hits, and these Soul Hits cannot be healed short of another use of Heart's Blood, intervention of an Archangel or a Divine Intervention. Vassal of the Loving Bond With the expenditure of 4 Essence, the angel can cause a despondent human to feel love and comfort strong enough to help pull them through. The effect lasts for one hour and the angel also knows the name of someone who would be able to help the person. The Servitors of Love use that hour to get in contact with that person. Friend of the Heart For 3 Essence, the angel can touch someone who is suffering a broken heart and learn exactly what will get them to recover. The angel will not hesitate to use what he finds out to help the person, even if it involves a tough love approach. Master of Unconditional Love At a glance, the angel can recognize any threat to any loving relationship that they are working on developing. This is particularly dangerous to Servitors of Factions as a few have learned to their sorrow. Basic Rites Spend two hours with a group of dear friends (4 or more people) Spend an hour engaged in consensual sex Chance of Invocation: 2 Modifiers +1: An original love poem +2: A love letter sent from over 500 miles away +3: In the presence of someone falling in love for the first time +4: A family reunion of more than 20 people +5: Being with two enemies that have reconciled their differences and have formed a genuine friendship. +6: A wedding between two people the angel brought together with more than 50 people in attendance Relations A Malakite that is a member of the Peace Faction may seem odd, but it works well for Andraelphus. He doesn't feel animosity towards any Archangel; any personal disagreements that he might feel towards someone cannot overwhelm his love for them. David and Novalis are his strongest supporters; Love between people and groups can reinforce unity and his peaceful approach to things sits well with the Archangel of Flowers. Dominic is wary around him. He may be a Malakite, but he sided at first with the enemy. Allied: David, Novalis, Christopher Associated: Michael, Zadkiel Hostile: No one ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Contest Proposal! - --- W S wrote: > Here's the contest- take one of the current Superiors, > and assume their position in the Host and Hoarde are > reversed, a la Kobal, Andrealphus and Novalis. Sounds interesting. And since I hate to repeat myself, I'll avoid reposting Novalis, Princess of Thorns. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

-- men and women." -- Rev. David Moore

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

-- men and women." -- Rev. David Moore

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

-- men and women." -- Rev. David Moore

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

-- men and women." -- Rev. David Moore

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jul 2002 09:44:02 -0400 From: Robb Kidd Subject: Re: IN> Sodom and Gomorrah On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 07:51, BC Petery wrote: > After I posted I remembered something. > > When the Bible was originally written it was on scrolls, one scroll per > book. These scrolls were then stored on end in a large jar, not unlike an > umbrella stand. The chronological organization implied once it was put into > a codex (modern bound book) was done in a manner to suit the people doing > the binding. (OK, Genesis and Exodus are obvious, but many of the others > have no reference to one another.) > > The actual order in which the books are arranged is important. Placing the > books that call for a messiah at the very end of the Old Testament adds > validity to Christ in the New Testament. Eh. While this isn't the most appropriate forum for the bantering about of Biblical studies, I will say that the issue is a lot more complicated than presented above. There are clues as to when (at least within rough periods) particular books, or their portions, were written and there are a few possible intertextual references. In reference to the whole Fall of Lucifer thread, even without source criticism, the popularly understood chronology is wonky. Popular perception has Satan as Tempter in the Garden of Eden in Genesis. The Book of Job, which de facto happens after Creation, has Satan as the title of a member in good standing of the heavenly court. He's a Bad Guy "again"[1] come the New Testament. [1] I say again because it's a *serpent* in the Garden, not Satan. Sometimes an etiological myth is just a story about why snakes go on their bellies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: IN> Twist! Twist (aka "Suddenly...") Celestial Discord A character afflicted by this Discord is a lonely person, walking the streets of life with no close friends or family (that'll talk to him, anyway). He has trouble holding down anything but the simplest of jobs, and tends not to go out much, preferring to stay indoors and keep his madness to himself. You see, nobody really wants to get tangled up in the strangeness that inevitably ensues around this character. For whatever reason, the Symphony has taken either an extreme liking (a la Kiki) or an extreme disliking (a la Tattered Ogiel) to this character. What this means is that the weirdest things keep happening to him, try as he may to stop it: vampires show up in the middle of the night looking for blood (or worse, at noon looking for sunglasses), the ocean boils during his vacation to the beach, fire hoses in his vicinity spray orange juice instead of water... the possibilities are endless, and the Symphony seems intent on trying out all of them. Although this can just mean strange effects for the GM to use to weird out players, it also provides a mechanism for invaluable plot hooks. (Players decided to go to France instead of California? Great! Paris is wonderful in the spring, and by the way, every single person you meet is a mime. Players want to bring the Orbital Satellite Of Doom to them (in darkest Russia, no less) instead of trying to break into it with environmental suits? Fantastic! And what are the Benevolent Space Brothers, the Greys, the Men In Black, and the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms *all* doing in Siberia?) As what seems to be an unlucky side effect, this Discord also affects relics in the character's vicinity. They tend to misfire horribly when he's around; Vapula, understandably, makes these characters more pariahs than Calabim, while Kobal thinks it's great to inflict this Discord and then send the celestial into Technology's service without telling anyone about it... Mechanics There's only one real mechanic: any relic within (Discord level) yards of the suffering celestial will misfire horribly *whenever* used. The only exceptions are on a favorable Intervention or when the check digit of the successful activation roll is greater than the level of the Discord. Otherwise, the GM should feel free to use this Discord as he sees fit: lower levels have less effect than higher levels, of course, but other than that, there are no set mechanics for determining what, exactly, happens. Functionally, this Discord resembles Weirdness Magnet (see GURPS Basic Set(?) for details). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:29:37 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Sodom and Gomorrah BC Petery wrote: > > The chronological organization implied once it was put into > a codex (modern bound book) was done in a manner to suit the people > doing the binding. (OK, Genesis and Exodus are obvious, but many of > the others have no reference to one another.) The order of the books is not wholly intended as chronological. There's also a topical grouping. The first chunk is the Law and the historical books, intended to be in chronological order, but then come the poetical works, like Job, Psalms, and the Song of Songs, then the wisdom books, like Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, then the prophets. Then there may be a category just called "writings," which include stories like Ruth and Esther. I'm not sure, and I may have the categories wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the topical grouping comes first, then chronological groupings, if any, under that. Also, the Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox versions of the Hebrew Scriptures differ somewhat in the order they traditional place the books. The above was my effort to recall the Jewish order. Getting back to IN, reconciling IN chronology with the Bible has several problems, one of which is God's own frequent appearance, especially as surrounded by a court of angels -- something IN says doesn't happen since the Metatron was killed. Of course, these problems may be soluble -- maybe the visions disclose the Higher Heavens; maybe Satan's appearance in Job was a special, one-time event that startled everyone but God and Satan; etc. But they are still problems. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:55:20 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Dead Michael Walton said unto us: > Presumed Dead (Corporeal Discord/Disadvantage) Also known as "Snake Plissken" to the more media savvy types. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Dead - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > Also known as "Snake Plissken" to the more media > savvy types. -:-) Ah, so good to have a kindred soul about. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

-- men and women." -- Rev. David Moore

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

-- men and women." -- Rev. David Moore

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:07:36 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Let The Wookiee Win Let The Wookiee Win (Attunement of War) The angel with this attunement has the ability to gain information about a fellow combatant: specifically, which (of the angel and the opponent) is superior in a given form of combat. By spending 1 Essence, the angel gains knowledge of his opponent's ability (not only the skill level but the final target number) in a single method of combat (Fighting, Ranged Weapon, Large Weapon, or Small Weapon); 2 Essence allows him to determine this as well as the weapons in which the opponent has been trained, and 3 Essence allows him to determine his opponent's level of skill (including the final target number) with those weapons. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Andrealphus, Archangel of Love-Part 2 I really like this, Cameron (especially the Cyrano Attunement). One quibble, though: > > +6: A wedding between two people the angel brought > together with more than 50 people in attendance This strikes me as too easy to arrange. How about: +6: A 50th (or later) wedding anniversary celebration. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

-- men and women." -- Rev. David Moore

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:55 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Tez history introduction In article <001f01c23853$f3db1ee0$88c70ecb@cyclod>, gnezda@netadvantage.com.au (G N E Z D A) wrote: > Some of the info here relies on the fact that the book 'Fingerprints of > the Gods' is accepted as fact. Err, do you mean in the context of your IN game world, or in the "real" world that the io.com mailing list server is in? If the latter, you may be sadly disappointed. > From my reading of it, what I've read sounds very convincing, but then > maybe I'm not cynical enough. May we suggest Dominic's courses in evidence examination, parts 1 to 3? > 1) Antarctica wasn't always covered in ice, rather it was much > further north and was in a temperate zone Yes... > around 15,000 years ago. No... Continental drift doesn't go at that sort of speed. More like a millimetre a year. And 15 metres northwards won't make much of a difference to the climate. If you want to keep this kind of history, you're going to have to speed up continental drift a whole lot, which will mean that the Earth's a whole lot more active, volcano and earthquake- wise, or you're going to have to make humanity tens of millions of years old. To which is obvious response is "why didn't they start civilisation millions of years ago?" You could, of course, create a campaign in which civilisation only started after the Fall, because demonic intervention was responsible for starting it in some way. But that doesn't seem to match the tone of the campaign history you've posted. Overall, I'd drop the Antarctica bit - it just makes plausibility harder. > 2) Human civilisation began much earlier than we'e been led to believe > so far. You're going to need to have some evidence for that in the game world. You may find Jared Diamond's _Guns, Germs and Steel_ rather helpful on the early history of civilisation, and it's a good read. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:50:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Andrea... (Re: Novalis, Demon Princess of Lust) At 3:05 PM -0600 7/30/02, Julian Mensch wrote: >> Eh? I can't find anything in S2 to suggest that he doesn't feel it's >> a part of his Word, same as any other act involving genetalia... [...] > I would think he'd tend to dislike it, if only because >Lust tends to play very little part in the lives of most >rape victims, after the fact. [...] > Manufacturing consent, OTOH, it probably something that >Andre specializes in, so it's really just a matter of >semantics -- I'm not trying to make him out to be a nice >guy, here... True enough -- however, he does seem to tolerate it, from some of the comments in Superiors 2, especially as regards Calabim, and a comment about barbarians overrunning Rome (IIRC). It may mess up the victims, but it's also all about the _victor's_ lusts -- for power, expressed sexually. (Yes, yes, I know about the stuff that rape is more violence. But it's violence expressed in a sexual way, empowering the rapist by taking control from another. That's a very demon attitude.) Now, what he's _not_ fond of is snuff films. Unless the person being snuffed is a celestial or ethereal. Killing humans gets on his Impudite nerves. (I strongly suspect that Andre prefers to manufacture consent -- he _is_ an Impudite -- though there is also the tack one could take that, contrary to his portrayal, he's actually... well, not very fun at all. One could decide that basically, he's _SO_ selfish that it's only his resonance and attunements that might garner any positive reaction to him in bed.) (I can also argue the other way, of course -- he's enough of an egotist to want to be The Best You Ever Had And You'll Never Forget It, and an answering lust in another will feed his Word...) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2728 ********************************